ESPN and AP Reports: Favre Will Not Play in 2010
ESPN and AP reports that QB Brett Favre has told the Minnesota Vikings that he will not return for the 2010 season. My first reaction was: how long will he be "retired" this time?
Brad Childress will hold a press conference later this morning.
I'm still rolling my eyes at his umpteenth retirement announcement, but there could be one difference this time. From the AP:
The person says the 40-year-old Favre called coach Brad Childress to say his injured ankle is not responding as well to surgery and rehabilitation as he had hoped.
Maybe his ankle is just too injured to play on. But it didn't look too bad after all the times he took to the high school practice field over the last month.
So here's my post about it because I feel obligated to post something. Everything said/written today should be taken with a grain of salt.
And, if by chance, he's really retired this time, it does completely change the playoff picture in the NFC North. QB Tarvaris Jackson hasn't shown any sign that he's stepped up his game after one season of Favre's famous "mentoring".
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Favre
If he truly doesn’t play this year, how can the Packers not be favored to win the North and have the best record in the NFC? The schedule has a few hurdles but essentially the two toughest games become considerably easier with T Jackson or Rosenfells (SP) in there.
The toughest game is against Dallas
Whether Favre returns or not.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
I don't know. The last time the Packers played the Cowboys...
Things don’t stay the same from year to year, though. I’d still love it if Woodson and the D completely shut down the Cowboy’s offense.
The Packers badly needed that game last year and they took it. They had to take it.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets take a history lesson...
Not to sound like a jack wagon but…They have never beat us in Lambeau….I dont expect them to this year at all…I’m more worried about NY Jets away game along with the Patriot game in Foxboro…thats me tho..
they won for the first time in 2008
which is why the cowboys are my most hated team
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Appologize...i wasnt aware of that...
Wasnt around much in 2008…Did not know that
by SpaceGhost34 on Aug 4, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The end!
As a Lion’s fan, I always hated playing against Favre but, especially when he went to the Queens. I believe we all hate the Queens! I always respected Brett as a player but, lost a lot of respect for him through all this retirement soap opera era.
You’ve got a great QB in Rodgers. The division title should not be a problem. I just hope we
can now at least take one from the Queens this year and help you out. I’ve many friends that
are Packers fans. I live in MN although growing up in MI. I detest the fans here. It’s hell living
here through football season. They are such fair weather a holes, it’s sickening.
Suh’s dissapointed. He wanted a crack at Favre. But, there’s always Cutler, Jackson & your
new star to target.
Have a good season!
Expectations don't produce!
HAHAHAH
They made a deal with the devil…this is what they get! Not saying Brett is the devil but bringing in the guy that EVERYONE hated to be your man…your starting QB…I don’t feel an ounce of sympathy. I AM heading over to DN to see what R4F is saying though!!!!
The irony is
Lots of posts at DN of fans of other teams apologizing to Vikes fans for this dilemma.
Honestly I don't blame Favre for this
He stated he was on the way out, if he came back it would be a bonus. I do blame Childress for not addressing this issue in the offseason.. We could be working with McNabb, or an assortment of QB’s from the draft. Personally, I don’t know how Childress could not have at least thought about this posibility.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
It's simple
Remember Childress always thinks he’s a genius.
The good news is though that Farve always retires in the offseason these days. Then he wides up in camp in the end.
by PackApologist on Aug 3, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I was more suggesting that Ziggy thought Childress was a genius
and thus was the reason he was signed to his extension
I like how Childress and company said they did not consider any of this year's rookies besides Bradford to be franchise QB's
Yet they traded up to get TJack in the second round….Yea, what a QB genius that Childress is.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 3, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
the tough thing with that though...
is that this time Favre is under contract. You bring in McNabb, it would probably make Favre want to come back even more and then you’d be stuck with two HUGE contracts and 5 QBs.
Yeah, Chilly has to shoulder some blame here if he really doesn’t come back. He passed on Clausen in the draft, and didn’t do anything in FA despite having only Jackson and Sage at Qb.
by packallday555 on Aug 3, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
BLAMING CHILDRESS
Childress’s hands were tied. Literally and figuratively. He made the boat for Favre who would carry them to the SB. We all know that Favre has long needed strokes and adulation. Favre and his happiness were paramount. Had Childress made any moves at QB he would aggravate Favre, something he could not do. Favre and Childress had some issues which most of us saw on TV.
Sorry. Can't resist.
If Bertt really IS gone, then who is running the Vikings’ locker room, now? :)
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The glass is more than half-full.
In a way, signing Favre now hurt Minnesota severely
It was a lost year in developing Tarvaris Jackson. You know Favre doesn’t coach those backup QB’s, and even if he did, you don’t listen to Favre. Favre’s magic was just that magic, because he plays with one of the worst fundamentals and techniques. He makes the most ridiculous plays and throws. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but when it does work, his magic is in play.
In addition, the signing of Favre got Childress of new 5 year contract. Have fun with that Minny fans.
The only positives out of this is: at least Minny fans got a taste of excitement last year and….hey, there’s still plenty of Training Camp left yet! Favre usually doesn’t announce his return until Training Camp is almost over!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Eh, disagree on that
I don’t think the Vikes go 12-4 without Favre. You could argue they pursued Favre because TJ didn’t develop, and the coaches didn’t have faith that he would develop to lead a team that was one polayer from seriously contending for a SB.
I can’t fault the Vikes for getting Favre and making a serious run. Minnesota was going to be in the same place without Favre this year than they were in 2008, and I seriously don’t think the Vikes would’ve drafted a QB. Doing so is an admission of failure on Chilly’s part that he picked the wrong guy. So, he probably gets another Gus Frerotte clone, and the Vikes drift at a 9-7’ish clip, give or take a win.
No, I’ll take the one year of Favre, and all the drama that involves. If he comes back, bonus, if not, then it’s 2008 redux again, with the hope that TJ picked something up along the way.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
No doubt, Favre was a smart pick up. He gave you a MUCH better chance then Jackson did. If he ultimately does end up leaving this season though, I think it’s going to end up hurting you guys. It probably helped Jackson to learn from him but at the same time, Favre coming did only delay his development.
Though I think all this is pointless cause I’m sure Favre will come back. This isn’t the first times he’s decided to “retire” at this point in the offseason.
by packallday555 on Aug 3, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
In 2008, the Vikings did more with less than any other team.
Sydney Rice was a nonfactor, the QBs rotated in and out week after week, and the team pulled into the playoffs.
Obviously the messy ending that followed was somewhat disappointing, but that team overachieved. Those two narrow wins over the Lions were pretty ugly, but you HAVE to win those games to be a contender in your division.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
R4F is probably going
into conniptions. Or collapsing over his keyboard. Or triple facepalming with his buddy gothicpurple. Remember him? Was he banned at DN too?
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm amazed he hasn't been banned THERE
for flaming CG and the guys at DN.
Take everything with a pinch of sea salt, I guess…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
gothicpurple is a notable Viking extremist
as is Revenge4Favre.
I won’t call them trolls, but extremists. They take issue with the people running DailyNorseman.com
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Still skeptical
I dunno, Schefter is basin this off a text to teammates that says “this is it.” What does that mean?? This is my real retirement? This is my last season? We’ll see…
rumor central
who do you think he wants to play for this year? Is this a ploy to play in Jacksonville? HA! Wouldn’t that be hilarious?
49ers have a somewhat dysfunctional QB
But he’s NOTHING compared to Farve.
Give Alex Smith a chance before you drive him to insanity, York Family…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, I was just suggesting that they'd be willing to give Favre a chance
Especially with their QB “struggles” of late
Would anyone be surprised
if his ankle mysteriously healed by the end of training camp?
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
Haha no I wouldn’t be surprised one bit.
by packallday555 on Aug 3, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll see
..if he makes his triumphant return in October or November..
Pack has to be favored now..
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
I won't believe Farve's retirement
until the Vikings come out of the tunnel WITHOUT him.
I’ve been burned three times too many… (2007, 2008, 2009…)
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone
Doesn’t think he can beat the Packers this year.
by drezdn on Aug 3, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just Brent
being Brent…
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get.
I don't know what to think
This can’t be a ploy to get out of camp as I thought Childress pretty much gave him a free pass to skip camp.
That's what has me thinking he might be serious.
Maybe he wants to go out fresh off a great season, and not risk a mediocre one. Maybe his ankle really is so bad it’s a liability. It’d have to be one heck of a bad ankle to make Lame Favre worse than Healthy T-Jack, though…
Is it football season yet?
Yea i think he might just be trying to skip camp...
But I wouldnt apologize to the Vikings for anything…I hate them more than anything on this planet…IF Favre doesnt come back…Man everybody in the state of Minnesota KNOWS…They are fucked…And we are gunning for them too…Its gonna be bad for them and i cant wait..
Everyone saw this coming.
It is sad because he has had a great career and should be celebrated for retiring, not causing everyone to go “ok here we go again.” I still think he plays but not at the same level and that will be it. Even with Favre back I feel the Packers are still the team to beat in the north.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 3, 2010 12:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wont believe this until the season starts without number four on the field for the first time in 20 years
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
I call B.S.
My hunch is that he’s trying another ploy to skip training camp.
Really, Brett ? Your ankle isn’t “fully” healed. Those types of things never seemed to stop you DURING the season. Why not go to camp, get put on the PUP list, and knock back a few brewskies?
As far as Dallas being the toughest game, I’d nominate the Jets game.
I agree...
But they are having issues off the field…Im concerned about the in New England game to some degree…
The Patriots scare me far more than the Jets.
The Jets are good for a 5 INT game. Against a healthy Woodson and Harris combo, Sanchez and that running game could be stifled.
The Patriots have a QB who’s made his living off of NOT making bad throws. They also have more stability from their running backs (I don’t believe in Shonn Greene at all).
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
+1,000,000
that was my next point…Mark Sanchez doesnt scare me at all…sorry he can go to hell with the rest of the USC QB’s…They have a descent run game but i just dont see their offense out gunning ours…Both teams have a great Defense I wont take that from them…But how will this Revis thing effect them? OR more importantly him? New England is not the old team it was anymore…They are young but, not someone to overlook…
wonder?
I’m wondering what the thoughts of Thompson and McCarthy are on this… I know what they’ll say, but wonder how they’re feeling or what is said behind closed doors!
They avoided it
Both of them had a press conference on Tuesday, and neither said anything directly about it. Thompson was asked a few questions about it, while McCarthy drifted off after only one.
Of course they did...
Thats pretty much what I meant saying I know what they’ll say… But wouldn’t it be kinda interesting to be a fly on the wall in their offfices when they are alone and know nobody is listening? I think that would be really interesting!!!
I honestly don't think it would've been more than a 3-4 minute discussion
Unlike us, who enjoy hanging on to every gossip tidbit ESPN wants to invent, they have a job and really don’t care one way or another.
Too early to tell
I’ll believe he is retired when week 10 rolls around and he still hasn’t replaced the struggling Jackson. I have no faith in this man, as far as I am concerned everything he says is a lie.
I only need to see him miss the first week.
IMO, once the streak is broken, he will definitely be done.
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The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Aug 4, 2010 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much I gather from this thread:
-People either don’t care with a been there, done that attitude.
-People are not shocked, surprised, or miffed.
-Vikings go from competitive to “ALL HELLS BREAKING LOOSE. CALL THE FBI’S, CIAS!!!”
-He is doing this to skip training camp.
-Ankle really hasn’t healed.
All are valid, all could be true. I will buy into the skipping training camp because this is what we’ve come to expect. But I don’t know about this time around.
I bet Spielman and Chilly are forcing him out! SPECULATE!
I will sit in the skeptical corner.
by Bush League All Star on Aug 3, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
Not buying the skipping camp line
Childress has said that he can skip as much as he wants.
Camp is going right now, so he was already skipping with no problem.
All in all, it seems like the real deal, but I still won’t be suprised if he pulls into camp next week.
by PackApologist on Aug 3, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Seeing is believing ...
Ok, we’ve all heard this before, and we know what happened two weeks later.
I’ll believe it’s for real when Favre is not under center sept. 2nd when the Viqueens play the Saints. If he doesn’t start that game, his streak (which supposedly is important to him) is ended, and it would make less sense to come back.
To the people who believe this is just his sceem to skip camp, well DUH !!! he all knew he wasn’t going to camp anyway, and if training camp was the only issue, it would have been very easy for him and Chilly to agree on him “missing” camp because of the ankle, they could just have issued a statement saying he is going to play, but being 40 yr old, his recovery isn’t as fast as expected, so he will rehab in Mississippi and be back in Minnesota whenever it suited him.
I can believe his ancle will be the decideing factor, it might be fine for running around throwing to high-school players, but that’s very, very far from even one single NFL game, and much further from an entire season…
Again, I’ll believe it’s for real when the season starts without him…
If so, I might break my promise to keep my Packers #4 jersey in the back of my closet until he’s inducted in the HOF, I might attent the Vikings @ Packers game, and would consider wearing it just to show the Minnesota fans he’s no longer there,….
The real point is...
Early this afternoon, FoxSports.com reported that the Vikings are prepared to offer Favre more money and more time away from camp prior to the season.
Butler also mentioned that he had heard through some NFL channels that Favre was trying to extend his contract to three years at $13 million a year. He didn’t know if Favre wanted guaranteed money behind this year or some kind of assurance he would be paid next year if there was a lockout.
…the Vikings are the spineless idiots that are groveling at the feet of a 40-year old player, and the Packers are set up with a great young QB. I appreciate what Brett did for our franchise, but no team should ever treat any player like he is some sort of king or savior. Look what happened with LeBron.
Invariably, teams that do that sort of thing ruin chemistry and choke before they get a title.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Spineless idiots....
For trying to offer one of the best QB’s in the NFL a little more cash to change his mind?
Nonsense.
If you guys had the opportunity to address a major flaw in your offense by offering a guy more money to stay out of retirement, you know full well the Packers would do the exact same thing.
Think about it, if you DIDN’T have a QB as good as Rodgers, the Packers would be in the exact position the Vikings are in, and likely offering him the same raise. Stop with this “holier than thou” attitude and look at it objectively.
I would certainly hope that no team I ever rooted for
would bend over backwards and do ANYTHING just to please one player. A football team is about more than one player.
The Vikings are prepared to throw more money at him, offer him guaranteed money even if there is a lockout, constantly fly down to Mississippi to have chats, and most importantly they’re bending the rules for Brett! What other player could get away with never showing up at the beginning of training camp? He always has an excuse. The Vikings are basically saying – look Brett, we don’t care what you do, but you will be the starting quarterback whenever you decide to show up.
Where is the loyalty to the entire team in that?
That’s all I’m saying.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 3, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't argue that it shouldn't be team first...
But if the rest of the team does not care, it really does not matter.
These are grown men that understand football is a business and with Favre at the helm they all have a much better shot at their ultimate team goal, which is to win a Super Bowl. Sure, in any other situation, many of the players would be pretty peeved. But considering the night and day difference between a team with or without him, they are all pretty understanding. Even Tjack is taking advantage of the situation.
Players get preferential treatment all the time in the NFL. Mostly because they are very good players.
You think some rookie on the Colts gets pissed off because Peyton Manning is paid more than he is, or that he gets to call the plays from the huddle?
You think Bears players are mad because Jay Cutler got a huge contract?
You think that Matt Flynn is pissed because everyone loves Rodgers and was given the starting job without having to compete for it in the offseason?
A team is a team, but to say you cannot give preferential treatment to your most valuable player is a little much.
Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, and Matt Flynn also all show up on time to training camp and work hard with the rest of their teammates.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 3, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
True..
But it needs to be said that those players I mentioned are also not as old or as beat up as Favre is.
Ask any 7 year RB, 11 year CB, 18 year QB, 13 year OL or 14 year DL veteran and they will tell you that training camp and preseason does more harm than good to their old bodies.
These people can only last a short time at high levels once they reach that age. I would rather let Favre sit out of training camp and 2 preseasons games, than to have him hit a wall in the first week of the playoffs.
Excuses
Your making every excuse in the book for the guy!!! LMAO Packers put up w/ his drama for a little while, but like a good organization it planned for the day #4 wouldn’t be in uniform! Unlike your viqueens!
Not making excuses...
Playing Devil’s advocate, maybe.
The point is, we don’t care if he comes to camp or not. He makes the Vikings a Super Bowl contender.
Without Favre, we are nipping at the Bear’s heels for a Wild Card berth.
Farve is special
Obviously a legend with Favre time and grade is entitled to some benefits. But it’s pretty obvious that the Viking organization carried the theme too far. No organization, large or small can let the tail wag the dog and be successful. Childress now has a huge cleanup problem. All these Vikings rallied around Favre to transport them to the big game. Pffffffff. Gone. Now he’s got to rally them around Tavaris Jackson, who ain’t no Favre and he ain’t no Rodgers.
No, definitely not a Favre or Rodgers...
But he may be a Rex Grossman, which was good enough to get a team that is similarly built get to the Super Bowl.
I don’t think your defense will be nearly as good as the Bears was in 2006 though. And probably not your special teams either.
You guys would still be good with Jackson, I just don’t think you’d be good enough in the big time games, which is ultimately what ends up mattering most.
by packallday555 on Aug 3, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The coaching staff does a good enough job at losing big games...
But I think our running game is superior to the Bears in ’06 which might give us a better chance.
Unbelievable!
You simply dont get it do you? You took on #4 and threw Jackson away like the garbage and now you expect that TJ is going to come to your rescue?! Seriously???
I don’t care that #4 made you a SB contender, nobody doubts that… But what did you do for Jackson’s confidence? Pretty much ruined what little he could have had! TJ is at best a low level NFL starter, more likely a good backup who was throw under the perverbial buss (pun intended) by your HC and GM and owner and teammates and fans and… LMAO Yet you actually still think TJ is going to be willing to lead the team that basically discarded him as a starter? Like I said… UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Yeah, I think Jackson’s confidence issues will be a big problem. He had major confidence issues before Favre, so I’m not sure how he couldn’t have confidence issues after Favre. On top of that, he still hasn’t ever shown the ability to read coverage. I don’t think he can get it done against the better teams.
by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Or
that the rest of your team is going to look at TJ as their leader?
Seriously?
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The glass is more than half-full.
I don’t think so. I think having a dominant defense is more important then a dominant running game, and I don’t see how the Vikings defense will be dominant this season.
by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess few players would be mad about the situations you mentioned.
Like the Peyton scenario, that would be like me being hired on by a company then becoming upset that I make less money than the CEO. And like dishingoutdimes said, all of the players mentioned show up to camp with their teammates and work.
As for the players being content with the situation. Well, players are kept on a very tight leash by coaches and management on what they can say to the media so even if some players were peeved, chances are they aren’t gonna say anything. Especially younger, less established players who are trying to earn a roster spot.
Second, last year played out pretty much perfectly for the Vikings. Favre played great, the team played great, they swept the Packers, won the division, and came close to winning it all. When things are going great, you’re not very likely to hear any complaining. But if things had been last than stellar, I’d expect we’d hear much more anger (See New York 2008)
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 3, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
until it turns sour
The Vikings may purport to be unified as a team in their “let’s give him the time he needs” but my guess is that if he comes back it will only hold until they start losing. If Brett starts tossing up picks left and right, as he’s prone to do from time to time, I’ll bet dollars to donuts that the locker starts saying things like “he is doing more harm than good.” and “he’s not really a teammate because he skipped mini camps, ota’s, etc”
by gern blanston on Aug 3, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course,
When things are all Duckies and Bunnies there is rarely a complaint heard, especially when you are on the fast track to the postseason.
There certainly was a fallout with Favre’s performance late in ‘08, and that will likely happen in Minnesota should Favre have another arm injury and throw the season rather than telling the coach "I can’t play" and letting the new guy play.
I liken it to politics. The second you are not getting what you want, you start to complain about how the president is not doing his job correctly. But as long as you are getting your universal health care, lower taxes, and better paying jobs; you could care less what country we are invading. But we won’t get into that… politics are nasty.
The thing is, with the team we have it is hard to imagine that Favre will not play lights out again. It does not take much when you have the offensive weapons we have, and his experience is the most important factor.
Since we know that Favre joining the team pretty much guarantee’s us a playoff berth, (save for injuries and the like) it is hard not to make those exceptions.
A few years ago ...
the Packers once DIDN’T have a QB as good as Farve – they had an unproven kid named Rodgers. Yet the Packers still had the spines to tell him they’ve had enough.
Three years later, the Packers have molded a top NFL QB, the Jets have a nice QB2 in Mark Sanchez and the Vikings will be forced to pay the old man primadonna what he wants for 3 years.
Even though he’ll likely put up good numbers for this year, they’re stuck him. The Packers are not.
Unproven on the field, maybe.
But there was no doubt that Rodgers was an excellent QB, which is exactly why the Packers chose to go with Rodgers instead of Favre in the first place.
no doubt
If you lived in Wisconsin there was plenty of doubt about Rodgers. Many, in spite of his performance still doubt, because they can’t let Favre go.
Maybe.
Personally, I knew Rodgers was going to be a good QB the second I saw him come in for Favre in mop up.
Not that I am some great QB evaluator or anything, but sometimes you can just tell.
That was a pretty good hunch then
I’ll admit, I was not a believer in Rodgers after his first couple seasons. And I know I was not alone with that. He proved us all wrong though. Anytime one seems to doubt him, he proves you wrong. So, for one to have any kind of hunch in him through his first couple years before 2007, that’s impressive in it’s own way I guess.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Rodgers changed that game in Dallas from a fiasco to respectable
In just a couple of quarters. I had hope after that.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I started to get a feeling of hope in the 2007 Preseason. I gained even more confidence after the Dallas game, although I unfortunately didn’t have the luxury of watching it considering it was only aired by the NFL Network. sigh…
05’ and 06’ though, no hope whatsoever. I thought we’d be screwed after Favre retired. Boy, was I wrong!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
but we do have aaron rodgers
which makes your whole point invalid
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
then lets hypothesize about a packers board without viking fans!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
He didn't say "all Packers"
He just said “The Packers”. Just like Dishingoutdimes said that the Vikings are spineless idiots.
Real clever.
Here is my clever reply “Fuck the Bears”.
See what I did there? I took what you said, and I changed a word so it said “Fuck the Bears”.
Cool huh?
Why don’t you come at us with something useful, rather than just generic insults?
how shocking that someone would say something like that on a packers blog?
its completly unforseen!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
True.
…the Vikings are the spineless idiots that are groveling at the feet of a 40-year old player, and the Packers are set up with a great young QB. I appreciate what Brett did for our franchise, but no team should ever treat any player like he is some sort of king or savior. Look what happened with LeBron.
Invariably, teams that do that sort of thing ruin chemistry and choke before they get a title.
“But we all know that games aren’t played on paper…they are played by little men inside our TV sets.” —Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 3, 2010 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
I wish they hadn't done that
Oh well, like starmark says – the past is the past
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 3, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
well if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
Yeah a package designed to try and compromise the situation is so much worse the setting your franchise back between two and five years. What were they thinking?
by PackApologist on Aug 3, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They weren't
and by they, I mean the Vikes.
Going all out for a title can backfire spectacularly. This just proves it.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
they offered him an advertising opportunity to keep him involved
not to stay retired
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
aaand flagged!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
why do Vikings fans feel the need to bring there two shades from pink pride over here?
Thats one of the many reasons why i cant stand the Vikings…
by SpaceGhost34 on Aug 4, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Because many of us bring our special shade of green there
What makes this forum so good is the fact that many other viewpoints can be heard. If it was only Packer fans around here the place would be way to insulated and be overcome with group think.
by PackApologist on Aug 4, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
favre wants money beyond the potential lockout?
god how long does he want to play?
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
IF this is true...
Then one of the best players in history will be gone from the game. The NFL will not be the same without him. Many of you hate Favre and that is silly. Respect the player for his ability. He was good for the game.
Having said that, the Packers will win the NFC North easily now. For fantasy owners out there, Sidney Rice and other Vikings receivers drop quite a bit without Favre. Their offense becomes a running offense again. AP all day. Stop him and you win. What do the Packers do best? They stop the run. Looks like the chances for the Packers run to a SB victory just got a lot easier.
With Favre there were only three teams that would likely win the SB, Packers, Vikings and Saints. Now without Favre, there are only two. The Packers are younger and improving. This will be their year.
With Favre there were only three teams that would likely win the SB, Packers, Vikings and Saints
Do you mean from the NFC? Because I would argue that there are a few AFC teams that are looking pretty good – Jets, Colts, etc.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 3, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose you could make an argument for the Cowboys.
They should win the NFC east and at least be competitive in the playoffs. I’m not so sure they can handle a great offensive team, however. Time will tell. This is a new year and we cannot base everything off of what happened last year.
fantasy
Tell me!! I have Sidney Rice. waaaaaa
I have Rice on one of my teams too.
No big deal. Someone might want to trade for him later on. I’m not going to panic. Favre has not retired yet.
Humorous slant on things from the SBN homepage:
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/8/3/1602813/brett-favre-plans-to-retire-espn
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
I was innocently watching
sportscenter just wanting to catch the top ten before I went off and about and lo and behold Favre interrupts my viewing. It was then that I realized I would never get to see the top 10.
All is vanity.
I wonder how many hits from the Brewers 18-1 shelling of the Cubs were on that list...
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if it was 0
I always found it ironic that when the Brewers hit a walkoff homerun it doesn’t make the top 10, but when the Yankees do it, that’s the #1 play. LOL!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Well, they have 26 hits to choose from...
Not to mention McGehee’s 3 run homer…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I wish I could agree that I was confident in this being the Packers year
but I’m still a little uneasy. The way Warner walked all over us in that playoff game is still haunting my memories.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Aug 3, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
wild card game
On that day, and on that field, Warner gave one of the greatest performances in the history of the league. Not saying the Packers were perfect, far from it, but no team in the NFL couldve stopped Warner. Rodgers performance was also terrific, but no like Warners.
The only team that instill fear in me in the AFC are the Jets.
Lord, they look good. And though i think we can at least match any offense in the league, the Cowboys and Saints could beat us at least 5/10 times.
All is vanity.
I aint too worried
NYJ struggled against spread offenses just as we did, and we run out of the spread offense.
Their offense is heavily relied upon their running game, just as our D is a beast against the run.
Their QB is still young and interception happy, our secondary will feast on every opportunity given.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Most noticeably against the Colts
not that we should be surprised though, but our offense is just as good as Indy’s offense overall.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Remember the Jets lost to the JAGUARS at home...
And they also tossed away their game against the Falcons. But that was more Matt Ryan being determined than the Jets being good…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Comon
They were 9-7 last year and made the playoffs because the Colts rested there starters they should have been 8-8. They traded a 1400 yard rusher in Thomas Jones for a totally washed up (it pains me to say it) Ladainian Tomlinson, they also got rid of Leon Washington. I did not understand these moves. It seems like half the team wants a new contract and is pissed off. Chaulk it up as a easy win. The media can’t wait to promote a New York team if there is a remote possibility of success.
Jets will be a victim of their own self-promotion
I respect much of what you write, but I think you took a wrong turn here, buddy. Cliche away, but it’s a QB driven game today and defenses no longer win championships. (they may help, however) Jet’s still have a sophomore QB who hasn’t proven didley. Colts surgically removed them from the field. Further, it’s a more then fair statement to say the Jet’s had super luck just to make the playoffs. They’ll have the same struggle this year despite going crazy in free agency. NE and Miami pose a serious barrier to the Jet pretenders.
Man I can't understand how
Mark Sanchez gets all this adoration, yet Chad Henne gets none! I’ll take Henne over Sanchez any day!!! Gotta love the New York bias. Heck, even ESPN loves Sanchez and his, what, 19 or 21 interceptions he had last year (forget the number).
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
That's the thing about Mark Sanchez.
He’s not afraid to throw a terrible pass into double coverage. You have to admire that about him.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Somewhat, but not really
His role is to be a game manager, nothing more. Roethlisberger is praised by many for winning 2 Superbowls. However, he won both of them as a game manager. Thus meaning all you have to do is NOT turn the ball over. If the Jets only had a mediocre defense, then I’d say Sanchez should play the role he plays now. He’s in the ideal situation. You have a great defense behind you, you don’t have to carry the team, all you have to do is not screw up and get a couple TD’s in the game, mostly through the running game.
I’ll give him this though, he’s good with the playaction. But then again, who wouldn’t be as often as the Jets ran last year and considering how effective their running game was.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Big Ben
Actually in the 1st SB he won Ben was a game manager… In his 2nd SB Ben was a playmaking QB!!! He did more to win that SB than any other player for the STeelers!
Santonio Holmes would disagree with you if he wasn't on the Jets.
And how could you forget the total BS INT return by James Harrison? That play won the game!
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I know
but who made the tremendous throw under duress that Holmes caught? Harrison’s was at end of half not end of GAME!
Big Ben won that game. I can’t argue that. He is clutch.
The Steelers defense carried the team to the Superbowl and kept them in the game in the Superbowl. My point is the Jets D can do the same if Sanchez is careful with the football. Last year, the Steelers D was average. It wasn’t good, but it wasn’t bad either. The game was solely on Big Ben’s shoulders, and he failed to carry them into the playoffs. I’m not trying to dis him, but trying to prove my point that the Steelers were always about defense. The Jets are that way with Rex Ryan as their Head Coach.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Big Ben's absence definitely had an effect in the KC game.
Chris Chambers set up the game winning field goal with a wild run through the Steeler D.
And the loss to the Raiders was a defensive breakdown like 2008 GB. Remember?
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That is the one concern I have as well
With Bigby ailing, the Safety position is relying on a rookie a little early. And I had hoped for a little more help at CB during the offseason. I feel better about the OL. The only area of concern is that defensive backfield that seems to give up too much against good passing teams. I hope that our top guys stay healthy. Assuming that they do, it could be a superbowl year. As always, until we reach the end of the year, nothing is certain.
He really does love the game...
His family always seems to have to get involved in this stuff. Here is the latest gem I found.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
I love how everyone makes assumptions about the guy
Ok, so what does all this mean? Absolutely nothing.
THIS JUST IN
Favre plans to hold a 2 HOUR prime time special on ESPN Thursday night, called THE Decisions, in which he will officially retire and unretire 3 times over in the same program.
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Aug 3, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Will ESPN call in LeBron James as a guest speaker?
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMFAO...I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT...BRON DOES 1 HOUR, FAVRE DOES 2 LMAO..
Let me guess…he is taking his talents to…well who cares i’m tired of the guy…
He'll be back
He always comes back.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Live by the sword
you die by the sword. Childress had to know this, if true, was a possibility. If not, he’s a complete idiot. Yet he did nothing to prepare for it due to Brett’s infamous “I don’t mentor young quarterbacks” stance because he couldn’t jeopardize his return by threatening him in that way.
Until the season is more or less over, I won’t believe it until it he actually files the paperwork for retirement (because that little technicality has never been completed is why I’ve been convinced this is some contrived gimmick for years). This just strikes me as Favre bringing the retirement saga to a new level to keep people talking about him, get more money out of the Vikings, miss more practice time, or some combination of the lot.
I bet Adrian Peterson saw this,
rolled his eyes, and said, “Yeah right.”
Wait, that was me.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions
F**k Brett Favre
I hope he comes back, and every single team on the Vikings’ schedule follows the game plan that the Saints’ defense did in the NFC title game; beat the living daylights out of the NFL’s version of Tila Tequila.
I do believe Brett Favre has actually said something to someone...for real.
According to Steve Mariucci, Favre has yet to decide on anything (go figure). Favre has no idea where the rumor started.
Of course he doesn't.
This is the same crap that happens every year.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 3, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Two things are certain:
1) Favre is a douche-bag.
2) Favre will blame this on the press and suggest the whole thing had nothing to do with him, even though it clearly did.
What a colossal asshole. Last weekend my family and I went to Door County. While trying to make our way to Peninsula Park, we were stopped in Fish Creek by a guy in a silver Hummer with an Obama 08 sticker on it who was backing a rather large sail boat down the middle of a street towards the marina which was a good 100yds away. He was moving at about 3mph, but it was unclear why he’d chosen to back his rig down the street when he could have driven into the marina like everyone else does and been clear of traffic before ever hitting reverse. Maybe he transmission was out and he couldn’t move in drive. Who knows. We sat there watching him, waiting for a few minutes, when the guy behind us lost his patience, honked his horn about 6 times and then started yelling out his window. Mr. Hummer looked over, but only after the guy behind me pulled his head back in his window, so Mr. Hummer flipped me, my wife and my 5 year old off assuming, I would imagine, that I was the shouty guy.’
I thought that guy was the biggest d-bag ever.
Then today happened. And I stand corrected.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 3, 2010 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Brett Farve had to
have murdered Herky Hawkeye at the 50 of Kinnick Stadium on live television…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
There are so many times that I’ve hit lol in my life and never really laughed. Today I laughed heartily at this post. Bravo.
It’s really interesting to see everyone’s reaction to this whole storyline. Viking fans tend to piss on the Packers organization and takes Farve’s side. Hey, I get it, he’s your boy now and you’ve got to stand by your man.
Packer fans tend to point the finger at Brett, saying he and Cook manipulated the press and public into his sob story. After all it happened the year before (Steve McNair) and the year after (Jay Cutler).
Overall I know Farve is a nice and personable guy. I’ve been lucky enough to consisently be around people who know him. That said, this is his asshole season. He plays this game as selfishly as he can, no matter the team. He pouted his way out of the Green and Gold. He jerked around the Jets until they just let him go for nothing, leaving them and their fan base empty handed. Now he is playing some sort of game with the Vikings, the end of which only Cthulhu knows.
But Ted, for your use of Door County and the term d-bag affectively I have to give a rec’d to this post. It truly was awesome.
by PackApologist on Aug 3, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL + infinity.
2) Favre will blame this on the press and suggest the whole thing had nothing to do with him, even though it clearly did.
Yes, he surely will.
by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
oh Brandon
i know that it seems like you dont think Jackson will do anything with Favres “tutoring” but Aaron Rodgers did turn out to be an excellent quarterback with that same tutoring, so I wouldnt laugh at Jackson just yet. He does have a poor track record compared to Aarons but I always though that benching him a few games into his second season was stupid. who knows how he may do
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Ok going to say it again
I’ve fought this fight at DN and countless other places, but here we go again. QB’s learn more from coaches then they do from other QB’s. What made Rodgers great was the tutoring and mentoring he received from MM. MM has extra time that all QB’s put in during the offseason and this pays off in better decision making and form. The Vikings don’t have something similar in place. I also have severe doubts in Childress and Bevell’s ability to truly form this young man. It’s completely possible that Jackson has improved, but I don’t think it’s going to be enough to truly be the franchise QB the Vikings will need if they are going to contend for a SB.
by PackApologist on Aug 4, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Childress
has NEVER made a QB!!!! Nor has Bevell for that matter!!! Bevell inherited a Favre that had no self control and didn’t do a damm thing to improve it… Basically he enabled Favre to continue to take chances and throw away game ending INT’s… Childress was given some credit for McNabb, but remember Andy Reid was the HC that made McNabb!!! Childress did little… Except draft T. Jackson too early in the draft and THINK he could make a viable QB out of him. And he couldn’t!!! TJ will never amt to much as an NFL QB…
Childress knows hes a fraud who got a HC job riding Reids coattails and now he has to explain to a team that has SB aspirations why they don’t have a legit QB!!!! Yeah… Good luck w/ that one Childress!!!
Quarterback coach
Childress was McNabb’s quarterback coach his 1st 3years in the league(the most important time) and his offensive coordinator the next 4, so I would asume he was instrumental to McNabb’s development. He’s turned out pretty damn good. Personally I think he’s a idiot but give credit where credit is due.
Reid
I know that Childress was his QB coach… SO! Bevell was #4 QB coach too?!!! What did Bevell ever do for #4? Nothing but enable him… To keep F’en up!!!
Reid is by far the better QB guru of the 2… And its not even close! Reid had ALOT more to do w/ McNabb’s development than Childress…
well thats true
consider my view changed!
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Rodgers and Jackson are totally different Qb’s though. Don’t mistake Rodgers being the player he is because he sat behind Favre. I’m sure it helped him to a degree but he’s still a good decision maker, with a strong arm and great accuracy. He’s also a damn hard worker, and from what I’ve read on him he always has been.
Last season, Pat Williams called out Jackson on his work ethic. I don’t know how much to read into that but it’s something to think about. Jackson’s also not a very good decision maker. He struggles to read coverage, he struggles to see where the blitz is coming from, and he has next to no awareness in the pocket. He has showed that he can play well against average teams but come playoff time there are no average teams.
I’m having a hard time believing that spending one season behind Favre is going to correct all those problems.
by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, if Favre stays retired...
…I think that the Bears will surprise some people
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
It means the Vikings are sure to get swept by them this season.
Possibly. The Vikings’ last five road trips to Chicago have NOT been kind to the team…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions

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