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Brett Favre Retirement Watch - Day 2

Update: I doubt this will surprise anybody. From AP (via Yahoo): "Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell and Favre’s agent, Bus Cook, both said Wednesday that the veteran quarterback plans to play if he is healthy."

Here's yesterday's post and comments after it was reported that QB Brett Favre is not going to play in 2010. And here's the most frustrating part of this whole situation, from Judd Zulgad:

http://twitter.com/JuddZulgad/status/20227437971

That this is going to be strung out for as long as he stays "retired". Brad Childress said he hadn't heard "from the horse's mouth" but the reports say that the Vikings players and officials have been informed (just not Chilly directly). So I guess the strategy is to act deaf in public, and keep using the word "fluid" as a code word for talking him out of it. There's already the offer of more money on the table, but it will take more ego stroking than just that. I'm sure we'll read a lot more rumors and reports from Mississippi before this is all over.

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Deja Vu

I think with the 20 mil the Viqueens are offering his ankle will miraculously heal right before the last preseason game. Ain’t it amazing that when all the talk begins to revolve around other QB’s, like Brady’s negotiations for a new contract, Burnt Favrt has to text people and get all the talk revolving around him? Even for a pro athlete he’s a huge egomaniac.

by Egbert Souse on Aug 4, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

LOL

This is worse then the marketing deal TT tried to hook Favre up with for $20 Million!

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, not that bad...

Nothing compares to that. At least the Vikings want him to play. I’ll give them credit for that. They must have the patience of saints (pun intended). But it’s not about money according to Favre. As always, it has to be about his child-like love of the game. Favre is going to play. The only question is when. Next week after the doctor’s appt? Or during the preseason games? At some point Favre is going to return and it will be business as usual.

by starmark on Aug 4, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's on the table

so you know that extra few million simply isn’t coming off.

Think guys like Adrian Peterson, who also want to get paid, are paying close attention to all this?

by gern blanston on Aug 4, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Egbart....

You sound a little worried…a little angst from you is what I feel reading your comment – and this is verified by your referral to the Vikings as Viqueens. Surely the name fudge packers (although fitting) is also a bit much (I have not seen this term used for your team on the DN site – maybe because we have class) and should be avoided in a public forum?

I came here direct from Yahoo (another site where comments make little sense often), am a member of DN and the first thing I see is what I consider to be a incendiary comment,,,,Makes me realize why I have not been over here on this site much! Waste of time – I now leave again, but just had to come back to you on your offensive and baseless statement – upon further review it was all reporter hype (as often is the case with Favre)…go figure…

Get a life…and be afraid….VERY afraid….one thing is true here in all this hullaballoo……Farve and the Vikes are likely going to hand the Packers yet again two more times their figurative heads on a platter in 2010, and the Vikes will likely again and for third year in a row be the NFC North Champs…how is that for egomaniac lol….

Really though no swollen ego here on my part, just stating the facts,,,and spoken in straight in your face english to you…See you soon…at the game(s) or at least (hopefully) in a bar closeby…just one of the many great things about the NFL (sharing a great rivalry over a beer (or two, or three,,,,)

Have a great day!

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by vikingfanfrom afar on Aug 4, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

huh, Viking fans have class?

Oh, so there were never DN trolls that came trolling over here before??? Such classy fans…..Sorry, just had to get that out.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who rec'd this post?

Okay, I get the point about the “Queens” language, but come on! I would rather see the occasional slur of this nature then put of with self righteous crap like this.

If your skin isn’t thick enough to deal with the immature rantings of another teams fans then you probably should get your sporting news from the newspaper and evening news because the internet is not for you.

Finally, on the arrogance of DN posters….

Dear DN posters who visit us,

You have a good sight. You have some good articles. I like contributing here and there, maybe cause some trouble, but in the end find some good football talk. You do a pretty good job of that, you really do.

You are not light years ahead of of any other sports websites. You have your dicks that post there the same as we have ours. The site has flaws, and by the way, your crap does stink like everyone else’s.

So please, if you come by please by be some what respectable. Don’t judge us by the dicks who post here. After all, I don’t judge you by R4F or gothicpurple. Rather I see Grimes, Purple Jesuses, and LLV’s of your site for the good football fans they are.

Thank you.

by PackApologist on Aug 4, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is one difference.

This is a Packers site, where I think that it is a pretty safe bet that derogatory terms denoting the Vikings are no more common than derogatory terms denoting the Packers are on DN; nor do I think that fans who, on their own team’s page, badmouth their rivals in such a manner, are dicks.

Here’s the deal.
If I go to another teams page, including that of a hated rival, I will show respect, and I expect to be reciprocated.
Likewie. any fan of another team who goes on a Packers site and is respectful, will be reciprocated by me (in which case, I will refrain from using such derogatory terminology, for the duration of the discussion).
However, any fan of any team who goes on another team’s site and posts like a jackass-hole is a dick, and had better beware, because they deserve anything they get from the other team’s fans in return.

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by NorthStarr on Aug 5, 2010 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are not light years ahead of of any other sports websites. You have your dicks that post there the same as we have ours. The site has flaws, and by the way, your crap does stink like everyone else’s.

So please, if you come by please by be some what respectable. Don’t judge us by the dicks who post here. After all, I don’t judge you by R4F or gothicpurple. Rather I see Grimes, Purple Jesuses, and LLV’s of your site for the good football fans they are.

This pretty much sums it up perfectly. Some guys over on DN seem to think their site is immune to idiot homers, which certainly isn’t the case. EVERY teams site has those guys.

by packallday555 on Aug 5, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know Vikings had high horses. I thought they rode in those ships.

Well, live and learn…

by Curly Lambeau on Aug 4, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love how

On the Daily Norseman, they’re pinning the whole thing on ESPN for supposedly blowing up a non-story into a big thing.

If this was a non-story, why are the Vikings scrambling to offer Favre $3 million extra to play? Clearly, these mixed signals are coming straight from Favre, who’s using them to hold another team hostage and extract a few more million for them in exchange for (again) not showing up for training camp.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2010 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, I hate to defend Favre here...

…but the DN’s got a point. I thought this yesterday when ESPN’s only attribution was rumors that some teammates had gotten some text messages. And I noticed that they never actually even showed the interview of the guy who actually supposedly got this text. It was all second-hand “I know a guy who knows a guy who’s dating this girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night.”

You know, where’s their reporting? They get none of the blame in this? I feel like, every time I read a story on ESPN I should say “Thank you Simone.”

(If you missed the reference, watch about the first 20 seconds of this)

by Curly Lambeau on Aug 4, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm certainly not sticking up for ESPN

They’re the sports media’s Whore of Babylon, and they took a poorly sourced and ran with it, no questions asked. That said, the Vikings’ frantic counteroffer is clear evidence that this story didn’t come out of nowhere – the Vikes had apparently been given a legitimate indication that Favre was contemplating not coming back. Of course, Favre was just posturing, but there was clearly something there for the team to respond like that.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see the logic

The original story was based on unconfirmed rumors. The story about the Vikings offering more money was based on unconfirmed rumors. Some of it may or may not be true.

Regardless, the guy can’t play for 8 more seasons so we’ll at least get one crack at this division before Rodgers retires. Patience guys. Go Pack Go.

by Sand0 on Aug 4, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who's waiting that long?

Don’t buy into the Viking fan’s view that Farve on the team guarantees the Vikings anything this season. I expect the Packers to compete for the division and Super Bowl this year and for many years to come.

The future is now.

by PackApologist on Aug 4, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

With Favre back the Vikings fans thought they were going to be awarded their Super Bowl Trophy XLV September 9th. Vikings will be scrambling to make the wild card this year!

by Danwood on Aug 5, 2010 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go Pack Go?

I’m having trouble squaring that comment with this one of yours.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, I am having trouble reconciling it with

…the guy can’t play for 8 more seasons so we’ll at least get one crack at this division before Rodgers retires. Patience guys.

from the very comment that you replied to. LMAO.

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by NorthStarr on Aug 5, 2010 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have an idea

It could be that I am a Vikings fan in here trying to push buttons.

But I’m not pulling this crap out of thin air though. Living in Minneapolis I know a lot of Packer fans that were practically rejoicing when the fake Favre retirement news hit the street. Then they were crushed thinking the division race was over when it was retracted.

Vikings won the division last year basically by week 10. It got close after it was mathematically over but that doesn’t change the fact that they have returned 22 starters from a team that had the div won easily and early last season. My Packer buddies are also kind of low on the Packers because last two seasons they have been really bad against good teams. Especially last year. I wouldn’t call them bandwagon hoppers but they certainly are capable of criticizing their own team unlike a lot of hardcore homer type fans.

Either way if Favre plays it should be a very interesting season. If he doesn’t it should be a very competitive season.

by Sand0 on Aug 5, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

"I am a Vikings fan in here trying to push buttons."

By pretending to be a Packers fan? That’s really lame, man.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 5, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

"It could be that I am a Vikings fan in here trying to push buttons."

That’s called veing a troll, AKA an a-hole!

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by NorthStarr on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure that we were even really bad against really good teams last season. We played the Bengals close, you guys close 2x, the Steelers close, and the Cardinals close. We also beat the Cowboys and the Ravens, who also had really good teams.

The fact is, we played you twice in the beginning of the season before our OL started to perform at an average level. More likely then not, we will have Clifton at LT, and if not at least we’ll have a guy who is truly a LT backing him up. As well as not having something called Allen Barbre at RT, who was absolutely terrible last season.

That alone will make our game closer, and that goes without mentioning we just got 2 Cb’s back off of IR.

Our two biggest weaknesses from last season will be improved, and I’d imagine that will in turn improve our team.

I could also go into how much guys like Rodgers, Matthews, Finley, and Raji will likely improve too but I’m not going too.

I think our games will be much closer this year then many Viking fans expect.

by packallday555 on Aug 5, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t know ANY Packer fans that are ready to condeed 2 losses or the division to the viqueens! I know most fans know that the Packers OL will be much improved, That #4 is more likely to play like he has for the majority of his career rather then the one you lucked into last season. That the Packer D will be much better in the 2nd year of Capers 34 D. Not to mention the Williams’ possible suspension, and your own aging OL as reasons to think the viqueens will not be as good!!!

Personally I think we split the season series and the Packers win the NFC North w/ and 11-5 record and the vikes at 10-6 or 11-5 and losing a tiebreaker to the Packers

Most Packer fans never went thru the range of emotions that you said your friends did… Most Packer fans never really bought into the fact he was retired. I know I didn’t and most people here didn’t. Most are like been there done that… We’ll believe Favrt is retired when he isn’t under center in week 7 when the Packers beat the viqueens!!!

In short… YOur Full of Shit!!!

by Strohman on Aug 5, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of variables at play here

Assuming he does come back, will Favre be the Favre of last year, or will he have lost some of his fastbal, his legs, etcl? Will he remain free from injury? Seems like teams have a pretty good blueprint to beat the vikings by roughing him up. Will the Willams suspensions be enforced? That’s still not decided.

In that same vein, will our OL keep Rodgers up right all season long? What will the loss of Jolly mean? Will Burnett be an effective contributer? Will Jones?

That’s why they play the games – to decide these things. Both are good teams. One just plays in a crappy stadium with an attention starved aging qb while the other does not.

by gern blanston on Aug 5, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s a darn good point about, and something to really think about. The bottom line is, Favre has probably never played that good. He played out of his mind last season, but can we really expect that again? I doubt all of the sudden he’s going to turn into the 20 TD/20 INT guy that we saw from time to time in his career with us but I also doubt he’ll throw 33 TD/7 INT.

Another thing to point out is the Vikings OL. They weren’t all that great last season, and now guys like McKinnie, Hutchinson, and Herrea are just one year older. Maybe their struggles were just because of injuries but at the same time, maybe they weren’t.

by packallday555 on Aug 5, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOVE the Ferris Bueller quote!

You know who said it – Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

by gern blanston on Aug 4, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha! You're right.

I didn’t even notice that. And I’m usually a guy who will be watching something and say “now what else were they in?” and it’ll bug me the whole time.

Anyway, about how Favre’s ankle is apparently the issue now, let me just say that I know that, at this time of year, veterans are prone to taking training camp off, still… I can assure you that, in Brett’s case, he truly is a very sick boy.

(and we need someone to tell the Vikings that he is just leeeEEeading them down the primrose path. I’ve got it right here in front of me. He has missed NINE training camps.)

by Curly Lambeau on Aug 4, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

But at the same time, Shiancoe did say he saw the texts and that they were real. I doubt he’d really lie about that.

I think this story is real. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if Favre denies it.

by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Either way, somebody’s got to show Brett that skipping camp is a 1st class ticket to NOWHERE!

(okay, I’ll stop now)

by Curly Lambeau on Aug 4, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now they know how we felt for so many years

I feel as if Favre has been on retirement watch since the Spice Girls were big. The whole spectacle made of it on espn sickens me.

by msc32887 on Aug 4, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

They don't really know how we felt.

For us, Favre was a franchise legend and the face of the Packers’ modern era. For them, he’s a hired gun who had already retired and unretired twice before they even signed him. I guess it’d be kind of like the difference between a Jeter and A-Rod retirement drama: One player means everything to your team, the other is a douche who happens to play a game well.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

Yeah, he meant MUCH more to us, was just mentioning it for the fact that they now face the same uncertainty that we faced for so many years. I’m on a wait and see approach with this man, there is no trust anymore.

by msc32887 on Aug 4, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You make a great point.

Favre for us was much more than to the Vikings. They claim to love him more than we do or did. Regardless of how some Packers fans feel about him now, the fact is Favre was much more over the years to the Packers than he will ever be to anyone else in the NFL. The turmoil over his retirement and eventual trade was torture.

by starmark on Aug 4, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

When Favre retired the first time, I ordered the tribute book and SI special tribute issue, as did thousands of other Packer fans, because it was a momentous occasion. I don’t think there are many Vikings fans who did that this offseason.

by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eventually he has to retire for real

When he does, it will probably be when they pry him off the field. I hate to say that, but Favre cannot stop playing. Say what you want, but he does love to play. Maybe he loves it just a little too much and doesn’t know when to walk away. If he can get through this season without getting hurt, then I hope he walks away without injury and bids farewell with his health. I’m not sure if he will. Crazy to think he can get hurt, but he’s not young anymore. One way or another, he will be gone. When he is, then we will get more than our fair share of tributes like we’ve never seen before…even more than we saw the first time.

by starmark on Aug 4, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is relatively new for Favre

Up until 2008 he would spend a few weeks to a couple of months to “think about it,” state that he was coming back, and thus there wasn’t this much attention drawn to it. It didn’t become this monster of media whoring until he “retired” the first time and started doing all of his media antics.

by Danwood on Aug 4, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brett Favre is a genious!

I must admit it. He plays the game (no, not the game of football, but of poltics) very well. Stay wishy washy, say you’re going to retire, then get offered more money! In the meantime, he has all his apologists and Viking fans bending over for him! LOL. I love it! If only I had that kind of luxury….

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

if you did have that luxury, would you use it?

or do you, like most people, need to respect the person looking back at them in the mirror?

by gern blanston on Aug 4, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said man, he’s a genious and yeah, I wish I had that kind of luxury! However, I wouldn’t want to turn over half the country into people that hate me. Kind of a toss up if you ask me.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's still extremely popular

Most people love him. Only here, among Packers fan, do you find a majority of fans that dislike him. That’s what I find at least. I also see that the haters are most vocal. Yet in polls, the majority favors Favre by a comfortable margin. They want him to play. They think he is good for the game. They like him, root for him and want him to win the SB. If he truly is doing all of this on purpose as you claim, then whatever he is doing is working. The only person he has to live with is him. Yet I still believe that he is not a liar as many around here do.

by starmark on Aug 4, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see that poll

Most outsiders I’ve talked to are disgusted with him, but yes, Favre does have a lot of supporters. Yes, a LOT.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

They don't KNOW him like we do...

Notice I didn’t say hate him… We don’t hate him, but at this point are largely indifferent to him! Sick of him. Tired of him. Whatever else you want to say!! We know all this stuff far better than anyone else does!!! Especially a viqueens fan who has blinders on and his pants around his ankle bending before #4!!! LMAO

by Strohman on Aug 4, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

but you have to admit

he is quite clever in keeping his name front and center when there are other things that are happening around the NFL.

I don’t hate him, either. I don’t respect him, though. I actually believed him when he said like in 03 shortly after Robert Smith retired that he said he’d rather walk away early, then limp away late. That may be the last thing that he said that I believed.

I’d much rather be talking about positional battles, how our team looks, etc. but there is something compelling, even entertaining about this sideshow circus act. I don’t quite know what that is.

by gern blanston on Aug 4, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never intended to say I hate him, if I came across that way in the previous post. Was merely just mentioning that there are some people that do hate him now. I’m thankful for the memories, but I have fun with it all now!

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great point. i need that respect.

by packallday555 on Aug 4, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

hope he stays out of politics. Haha.

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by NorthStarr on Aug 4, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iran just attacked the U.S!

We shall retaliate!
Wait, lets hold off and think this through.

The evidence is clear, it was Iran, lets attack.
Well, no, lets not be too rash here…

The time is now, we must strike now!
No, no, hold off on the air strike. I see where they are coming from…..

Iran just offered America $7 million and the rights to invade Israel.
Ah….tempting……

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know y'all read Deadspin...

Are y’all going to acknowledge the Favre post from there today? Because I’m kinda enjoying it.

by Weldon on Aug 4, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

He's just an ole' gunslinger

and you just can’t help but love him for it. You never know what he’s going to do out there. He’ll try to stick that thing in places he has no business even thinking of trying. God bless him though. He’s just a kid having fun out there.

by STLPackFan on Aug 4, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

Gotta learn how to use the italic function properly

by STLPackFan on Aug 4, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gag

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by NorthStarr on Aug 6, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

By replying to this comment and typing this one sentence, I have hereby used up the portion of my life that I am willing to spend thinking about anything that deadspin “reports.”

Thank you, that is all.

by Curly Lambeau on Aug 4, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no doubt now.

Favre is not retiring. The rumors were false. Whether or not you believe they were started by the man himself or shoddy reporting does not matter. Brett Favre is going to do what he did last year (with a little extra cash in his pocket). That kind of sucks because it makes the Packers road to the superbowl a lot harder.

by starmark on Aug 4, 2010 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think any of us truly believe it until we don’t see him on the field in Week1.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot harder road to the SB? No harder than any other year. Favre makes the Vikings better, no doubt. He isn’t really a player than can carry a team on his back though, despite fan and media perception that he does. It has been over 14 years since he won his SB. That was a very, very talented team he was on that year. Favre needs a boatload of talented players around him to be successful, and despite his saying this is the best team he has ever been on, I don’t see it happening for the Vikes this year. Not now, not ever…

"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

Vince Lombardi

by CaliSeth on Aug 4, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

there never was any doubt

Yeah, this isn’t Favrt’s fault. Maybe all the HGH in his system caused his fingers to involuntarily text and the caused Zigi to run to Miss. with a crapload of extra cash Oh, that’s right, it’s the evil media that did it, not St. Bert. He’s probably taping the extra $7 mil to his ankle to help it feel better.

BTW- the Minneapolis Trib broke the story. Seems like they would have less incentive to make it up tan ESPN.

by Egbert Souse on Aug 4, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Aug 4, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Puh-leeze.

Farve-watch 3.0 is even worse than Farve-watch 2.0. Whatever moron wrote this series deserves a one-way ticket to the bottom of the Marianas Trench without a pressure suit or diving gear.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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