Analysis: Packers Defeat Eagles 27-20
If history means anything in game analysis, then this was a big victory for the Green Bay Packers. The win reminded me of the opening win over the Eagles in 2007 when CB Jarrett Bush made a big fumble recovery on special teams to set up the game winning field goal. The 2006 Packers would have never beaten a team like the Eagles, so it meant something was different that year, and obviously it was because the Packers returned to the NFC Championship game. Also, QB Aaron Rodgers's poor performance (by his standards) reminded me of his opening game in 2009 when he only threw for 184 yards against the Bears. He didn't have 2 INTs last season, but his play had the same lackluster feel.
I had been thinking about how the Eagles must be one of their toughest road opponents this season. But actually the Packers 2010 schedule is brutal on the road, and they have to play four road games against teams that made the playoffs last season (Eagles, Jets, Vikings, and Patriots) while only two 2009 playoff teams at home (Cowboys and Vikings). A win is always good, but the brutal road games will continue.
I covered injuries in an earlier post.
It was a strange game overall. I expected the offense would look great and they struggled. I thought the defense would shut down the run, but the Eagles ran for over 7 yards/carry (largely due to non-called scrambles by QB Michael Vick). The Eagles special teams, led by one of the best coaches in the NFL (Bobby April) should have shined, but they were out played by the Packers. And while the 2009 injured prone Packers only committed 2 penalties, it was the Eagles who committed 10 penalties.
If the Packers offense rebounds (a safe assumption), LB Clay Matthews continues to dominate his opponents, they keep the penalties to a minimum, and the special teams continue to excel, the Packers will remain on pace for an excellent season.
My selective play-by-play analysis is after the jump.
Play-by-play quotes from NFL.com:
First Quarter:
(13:28) (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb sacked at PHI 24 for -8 yards (52-C.Matthews).
Not only was it good to see Matthews get back into action, immediately, after his long preseason layoff, it also was a sign that QB Kevin Kolb was holding the ball a little too long.
(10:35) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 89-J.Jones to 50 for 7 yards (21-J.Hanson).
I digress on a nice third down reception by WR James Jones, but why do announcers start gushing about a player after one good play? Troy Aikman said Jones was good enough to be a No. 1 or No. 2 WR on many teams. Um, no. This could be a breakout season for Jones, but he's never played like a No. 1 or No. 2 WR so far in his career.
(8:33) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep middle intended for 88-J.Finley INTERCEPTED by 21-J.Hanson (27-Q.Mikell) at PHI 30. 21-J.Hanson to PHI 47 for 17 yards (88-J.Finley).
(3:41) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to 88-J.Finley. PENALTY on PHI-55-S.Bradley, Defensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at GB 24 - No Play.
Well the Eagles came up with a good strategy to stop TE Jermichael Finley. When he lines up in the slot, just have the tight end in coverage run back and keep up (i.e. don't turn around to see the ball). That forced Rodgers to throw it over the linebacker, which gave SS Quintin Mikell enough time to run from one hashmark to the other and break up the pass. Unfortunately, the safety has to come over to help, because the linebacker isn't looking for the ball (which led to the pass interference call at 3:41) and it also creates another problem for the defense, which I'll get to later.
Second Quarter:
(15:00) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at PHI 36 for -7 yards (58-T.Cole).
Both LT Chad Clifton and RT Mark Tauscher looked bad during the 1st quarter, but this was the last sack of the game for the Eagles. Clifton and Tauscher are not elite players, but they're better than they played in the first quarter. They'll be fine as the season goes on.
(11:34) (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb sacked at PHI 30 for -9 yards (90-B.Raji).
A small coming out party for NT B.J. Raji. He showed why they moved him to nose tackle. He was too much for the Eagles center to handle, and along with DE Cullen Jenkins and Matthews on stunts up the middle, the Eagles interior line was often schooled. However, their interior offensive line didn't play well during the preseason either.
(11:06) (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb pass deep right intended for 10-D.Jackson INTERCEPTED by 21-C.Woodson (38-T.Williams) at GB 35. 21-C.Woodson to GB 45 for 10 yards (18-J.Maclin). Philadelphia challenged the loose ball recovery ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb pass incomplete deep right to 10-D.Jackson (38-T.Williams).
That was a terrible decision by Kolb. Maybe he can improve with more experience, but all his pass attempts went towards receivers covered by CB Charles Woodson or CB Tramon Williams, with little success.
(8:53) 8-T.Masthay punts 48 yards to PHI 22, Center-61-B.Goode, fair catch by 10-D.Jackson.
A quiet victory for the special teams. P Tim Masthay had a couple great punts, and a couple bad ones, but he did a good job keeping WR DeSean Jackson near the sidelines, and the special teams were great in punt coverage.
(7:42) (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb scrambles left end to PHI 19 for 1 yard (52-C.Matthews). FUMBLES (52-C.Matthews), ball out of bounds at PHI 19.
Kolb has got to get rid of the ball if he wants to survive in the NFL. Maybe QB Donovan McNabb, and certainly Vick, could have ran away from Matthews, but not Kolb.
(6:07) 25-R.Grant left end to PHI 37 for 18 yards (27-Q.Mikell). GB-25-R.Grant was injured during the play. His return is Probable.
Man! RB Ryan Grant injures his ankle right as he was getting warmed up.
(1:52) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 80-D.Driver for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld.
A great pass and a great catch. It seemed like a quiet day for WR Donald Driver, and this was his big play, but Rodgers targeted him 7 times, 2nd behind only WR Greg Jennings, and Driver caught 5 for 30 yards. He had the opportunities, but he didn't break any big runs.
(1:42) (Shotgun) 4-K.Kolb pass incomplete short right to 10-D.Jackson (52-C.Matthews).
And the Eagles trainers and coaches let Kolb come back on the field with a concussion. Somehow he managed to complete two attempts.
(:03) 2-M.Crosby 56 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-8-T.Masthay.
What a great kick, and the type he rarely made last season.
Third Quarter:
(14:53) 7-M.Vick scrambles left end ran ob at PHI 46 for 23 yards.
OK, the defense had a lot of problems with Vick, but as Williams said they didn't game plan for him either. And they couldn't make the adjustment at half because Kolb played the final series of the 1st half. I'm willing to give the defensive coaches a mulligan. It's a rare situation when you switch from a game plan involving a QB in Kolb who is rarely a threat to run to Vick. And I'd probably feel differently if Vick had completed the come back rally.
(11:34) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Driver (22-A.Samuel).
The TD drive almost ended before it began. CB Asante Samuel is an aggressive player who will jump routes, which sometimes leads to big plays for the offense when he misses. That should have been an INT for him, but he couldn't hang on.
(10:08) 30-J.Kuhn up the middle to PHI 14 for 12 yards (42-K.Coleman).
(8:40) 30-J.Kuhn up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
I've watched a lot of little handoffs to FB John Kuhn lead to nothing, so I was surprised they worked on this TD drive.
(4:29) 25-L.McCoy up the middle for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
This one is going to get the defensive coaches fired up. Raji got blocked. LB Nick Barnett got blocked. Collins missed the tackle, and SS Morgan Burnett missed it to. At least four chances to stop him failed.
2-D.Akers kicks 72 yards from PHI 30 to GB -2. 87-J.Nelson to GB 49 for 51 yards (53-M.Fokou).
Nice return by WR Jordy Nelson, and surprisingly great special teams blocking. I'm stunned how much better the special teams played in this game vs. last season or even since the preseason.
(2:03) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left to 85-G.Jennings for 32 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Remember back to the INT on the pass intended for Finley. On the replay, you can see the Eagles deep safety jump all over the route to Finley, which he did again in this play. And Rodgers told Jennings to change his route if the safety jumped towards Finley again. Which he did, and led to an easy TD after CB Ellis Hobbs did nothing to slow Jennings down, and failed to keep up with him deep. The safety eventually came back over into the play, but it was far too late.
Fourth Quarter:
(11:00) (Shotgun) 7-M.Vick sacked at GB 17 for -8 yards (58-F.Zombo).
(10:29) 7-M.Vick pass deep left to 18-J.Maclin for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
A tale of two undrafted rookies. LB Frank Zombo was given a rare opportunity to replace LB Brad Jones, and he responded by running right past LT Jason Peters, and was able to wrap up Vick before he could escape. On the next play, CB Sam Shields was finally tested by the Eagles offensive coaches, and he responded with a circular coverage style that left WR Jeremy Maclin open by a couple steps in the end zone.
(9:25) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep middle intended for 80-D.Driver INTERCEPTED by 29-N.Allen at PHI 39. 29-N.Allen to 50 for 11 yards (80-D.Driver).
It's too bad because Driver appeared to be open. I can't remember Rodgers ever air mailing a pass that badly before. Maybe the wet ball was causing him some problems.
(5:56) (Shotgun) 7-M.Vick pass incomplete short middle to 10-D.Jackson (36-N.Collins).
The Packers defense is on its heels, and Vick fails to find any of the open receivers in time, and they settle for a FG. It had to have been a huge momentum changer.
(2:46) (Shotgun) 7-M.Vick sacked at PHI 46 for -3 yards (52-C.Matthews).
I thought Matthews was going knock another QB out of the game when he threw Vick to the turf.
(2:00) (Shotgun) 7-M.Vick up the middle to GB 42 for no gain (52-C.Matthews).
I'm in awe of Matthews on this 4th down stop. He shook off the block of TE Brent Celek, then RB LeSean McCoy, and then stuffed Vick for no gain.
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Overall not a bad game...
We were off offensively and still scored 27 points in 3 quarters! (That 4th quarter we were real un-Packer like, very conservative). If we score 27 when we are having a bad day, imagine a good day!
Honorable mention to Brandon Jackson. You didn’t mention him but he was pretty darn good!
And also, we got 5 sacks in that game. That impressed me — if it wasn’t for Vick’s legs, we might have gotten a couple more.
Vick
Yeah we had him pinned a few times back there only to see him squeak out somehow! I think we end the game with maybe 7 if Kolb was still in there.
Maybe even more. Raji probably gets Kolb there, and Matthews probably gets 2 more if Kolb is in there.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Slow Start!!!!
I felt that over all the pack played a very good game. I definitely think that we were unprepared for Vick under center. I was very glad that Brandon Jackson stepped up after grant got injured and Crosby came through with a solid kicking game!!! Once again I screamed that our OT looked like a couple of rookies out there and Justin Harrell is a Tony Mandarich(admit it he was a mistake to draft)!!! Clay Matthews and the whole def. secondary was a bright spot for us. In all a slow start but a solid win on the road in a tough stadium!!! Good Job Pack!
DREB
by Packer-fan-atic77 on Sep 13, 2010 7:50 AM CDT reply actions
no one could have seen that coming (Vick)
dont get down on your D- Eagles fan here. LB’s looked like studs
Andy's always been a big believer in, "I don't care who you have, we're still going to be better than you"
same old, same old
Just like last year. When a sub-par QB is playing (Kolb) the D looks great. When a decent QB is playing (just barely decent) receivers are running around wide open and Vick looks like Peyton Manning. Except for a couple bonehead Vick plays (not running it in for a TD and whatever that 4th and 1 was supposed to be) the Pack D could have let this one slip away.
Gotta disagree
We game planned for Kolb not Vick. Had we game planned for Vick I would bet money we would have done a better job containing his runs, which was ultimately what ended up killing us and opening up his passing lanes. As soon as Vick came in we basically just had to go to a conservative type defense because all of the blitzes we planned for Kolb would have gotten us killed had Vick eluded them and took off down field.
The defense actually looked pretty good. I think we answered whether or not our pass rush improved, granted it was against a team who has a less the ideal offensive line situation. But what’s ironic, is that pass rush was often what came back to haunt us with Vick. Any time Clay or anyone else got early pressure Vick just eluded them and took off.
And it might sound crazy but Vick actually did look like Manning at times. There was a reason Aikman was praising every other throw he completed. He squeezed most of his throws into tight windows, and put the ball in the only place the receiver could catch it. There’s not a whole lot you can do as a defense when a Qb is doing that.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
The defense was sharp. I thought they played well up until Vick came in, where adjustments can be difficult going from a pocket passer like Kolb to a dynamic runner in Vick. Kolb really struggled when he was in there, and it wasn’t entirely his fault. LT Jason Peters had a couple crucial holding calls. The pass rush was definately there (props to Raji and Clay), and the secondary played well. Now we just have to focus on catching the ball when interception opportunities come around! I was happy to see that Capers moved Clay around quite a bit and he wasn’t blitzing on every down. The defense was very unpredictable and solid.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Yeah, I loved how Clay was used. The defense definitely looks more unpredictable, which is great and really what we were ultimately going for with the switch.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the #1 #2 comment about Jones
was the announcers repeating something that Rodgers had said to them? But maybe I’m remembering that wrong.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Exactly right
Aikman was repeating what Rodgers supposedly said to them. Either way, I agree with Brandon. “Um, no.”
I don't know about that.
This could be a breakout season for Jones, but he’s never played like a No. 1 or No. 2 WR so far in his career.
Playing with Driver and Jennings, he never really had the opportunity.
Receivers historicly don’t do real well as rookies, and don’t really fully develope until their third or fourth year.
That would be the rule; although, of course, their are many exceptions.
Jones is in his fourth season, and he had a good summer.
Given this, and the fact the this (allegedly) originated from Rodgers, I believe there could be more to it than you guys think. :)
And, if so, it would be just another in a cornucopia of good things (in the last, oh, four or five years) for the Packers, since Jones is being groomed as the eventual replacement for the ageless aging Donald Driver, even if that is a tough reality to face. :-(
This (or next) season would be a great time for Jones to be coming into his own.
And, as I implied, if he is, then Rodgers oughta know! :)
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Nice things that I noticed:
-Special teams didn’t give up any huge runs, and Jordy had some nice returns
-Penalties were kept to a minimum
-BJack and Kuhn held their own
-Clay Matthews makes me question my sexuality
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
eh...
I think BJack and Kuhn were good, but not great. I think Grant would have gotten more out of some of those runs that Jackson did. Anyone disagree with that?
The 4th and 1 play that CM3 stopped was nothing short of amazing. He shucked the tackle to his right, the fullback to his left, and then pummelled Vick. I’m still geeked up about.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I do. I think Jackson is pretty much the exact same runner as Grant. Their both too hesistant, and don’t hit holes hard enough.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Jackson is slower – both in footspeed and in making his reads. He’s probably a little more elusive, has a little more wiggle to him than Grant.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think once Jackson hits his holes he can have that away speed although it seems he hesitated behind the line causing occasional negative yardage where grant does not seem to have that away speed though seems to never lose yards and hits holes at a decent speed.
Jackson definitely seems like he has more wiggle and maybe even power. Seeing a running back of ours break some tackles was something I felt like I haven’t seen in a long time. I’m actually kind of excited about Jackson getting the opportunity to start.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The OL needs to be a little more consistent in the run blocking. There were plenty of times where Jackson was stopped in the backfield with 3 guys in front of him. With that said, I think Jackson is a little quicker (not by much), but Grant hits the hole a little faster due to his experience in finding the hole a little quicker.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Is Grant going to miss any time
A week or two maybe?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Yeah, I’d guess so. Even if he doesn’t necessarily need it, I would hope they would give him some rest as I think we play the Bills and Lions these next two weeks.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Oops my bad. I knew the Lions were somewhere in there haha.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I just dropped Forsett
For Brandon Jackson. I can’t keep up with the Hawks backfield and already have two starting RBs entrenced. I think against Buffalo Jackson will have to start. Rest up Ryan…
Thanks Packallday. Jackson did look solid. Does he have the upside top be as good as Grant or better or is he more of a complement guy?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Picked up Clay Matthews
Don’t know how other than everybody must have fell asleep.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
I picked him up too, and I just heard Grant’s out the whole year. Yeah, I think he’ll come in and be close to as effective as Grant is. I’ve said for a while now that I think Grant is pretty average. I think we’ll see Jackson come in and put up numbers similar to what Grant has these past few years.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Just nice to be talking about things that matter
In the regular season. I admittedly got involved in some late off/pre season nit pickery that was really me just wanting the damm regular/fantasy season to start.
Yeah I made up a new term “nit pickery”.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
For sure. The offseason/preseason sucks haha.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
at least a week
Just heard on the radio he’s already ruled out for Buffalo.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Clay Matthews is the man!
I love watching that kid play.

by Twins4Life on Sep 13, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Pipes
What’s crazy is when he’s not showing it off, he really doesn’t look strong or big enough to be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. However, those are some massive pipes!!!!! Maybe I should do a photoshop of that pic and make it my new profile pic…..
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Postives
I’m going to chose to look at this game in the positive. I think the pass D actually looked pretty good. Williams played really well from what I saw and Shields held up very well, which made the pass D look like it could be a positive!
As noted the run D was handicapped vs Vick. It had game-planned for Kolb and got Vick for over 1/2 the game. His running ability is the only thing that could have gotten the Iggles back in the game. THis might have been a stellar defensive performance if not for Vicks running ability.
The pass rush looked very good, mostly due to Matthews incredible play. Zombo came in and made an impact in his very limited opportunities. Jones again seemed non-existent. Hope Capers realizes soon that Zombo will help the D alot more than Jones can!
Even on a bad offensive day the Packers built a large lead and it took a complete change in game plan due to an injury for the Iggles to QB for them to mount a comeback.
Not a great day, but a very good one overall…
As noted the run D was handicapped vs Vick. It had game-planned for Kolb and got Vick for over 1/2 the game. His running ability is the only thing that could have gotten the Iggles back in the game. THis might have been a stellar defensive performance if not for Vicks running ability.
This. Kolb going down was actually a blessing in disguise for the Eagles. Had he stayed in the entire game, I don’t think they would have ended up with anymore then 10 points.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Hawk
oh how the mighty have fallen. I don’t think he played a down. I saw him on kickoff coverage, too. As gassed as they all were chasing after Vick, Hawk STILL didn’t even play. I think it had to do with Harrell getting hurt and playing nickel all game.
Couple plays given up by both Shields and Bush – but nothing serious. Definitely something that we can build upon from a confidence standpoint.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Jones
the only thing he did was draw a holding penalty. Otherwise, I don’t recall hearing his name at all. Zombo had more of an impact in limited production.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
but at the end of the day, Zombo still gets the stat.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Zombo's sack
Was a result of Jason Peters not doing his job. He ended up taking the inside guy completely forgetting about Zombo, thus being why he was untouched enroute to the QB.
I like Zombo and hope to see more playing time out of him, but it’s still too early to say he is clearly better than Jones. Jones is serviceable and probably better in coverage. Zombo is sort of a mystery man, but based on Preseason, he surely looked like a better pass rusher. Then again….it was Preseason.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Sometimes its just a matter of good things happen for him. Zombo seems to be in the right place at the right time to come up w/ plays… Something that can’t be said for Jones. Whether thats better instincts, knowlege or ability does it really matter? He keeps showing up in plays that change games… Simply not the case w/ Jones.
Interesting argument
The main counterpoint I would make for this is simple….
The sample size on Zombo is very small and highly questionable (preseason against guys probably not making the roster for the most part and a LT who botched his assignment). He has high upside and makes plays, but we don’t know how reliable he is.
The sample size for Jones is relatively small, but large enough to make some conclusions. We know that he is dependable and able to not stick out for good or ill.
Jones is easily the safe bet. We know he can do something, but we don’t know if he can do enough to make the D go if Matthews is shut down. Zombo looks like he can do the big play, but we don’t know if he can be relied on consistently yet.
My solution? Keep Jones as the starter and let him take the bulk of snaps, but keep Zombo activated and in the rotation. If he keeps making plays then let his play time increase accordingly. If he can make big plays when teams start taking notice of him then we may have a player. Right now though I have a hard time seeing how he’s much different from this year’s defense’s version of Spencer Havner or Samkon Gado.
by PackApologist on Sep 13, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not calling for Zombo right now. But if Jones isn’t getting involved in game changing plays its won’t be too long before Zombo starts seeing more and more of the field. Jones is the safe, reliable player right now… And to the coaches that means alot, but I don’t think it’ll take just too long for Zombo to earn the coaches confidence. And if he keeps showing up on film the coachers will start to find ways to get him in the game!
Zombo...
Say what you will about an easy sack…Vick eluded many “easy” sacks. Zombo finished the job. He finished the play like you hope a player does when they get the opportunity. Unfortunately Vick threw a TD on the next play, but I was glad to see Zombo make an impact. He must have been fired up after that!
by Jeigh AK on Sep 13, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes!
that’s more or less what I was attempting to say. You said it better.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What I liked about the sack
It was a clear shot, though Peters might have been rightfully worried about the blitz inside, but what I liked was that when Zombo got to Vick, he grabbed him up and didn’t let go. How many times have you seen someone come clean and overrun? Especially with a guy like Vick.
Philly's D
I don’t think the Iggle’s D (especially the D-line) is getting enough credit. They were one of the stiffest tests we face the first half of the season, and we managed to do okay. Not great, but okay.
I was a bit disappointed that we were unable to make in-game adjustments in the second half to counter Vick and the running game. It’s not like we had no idea what the guy is capable of, or that he was likely to see some time throughout the game. It’s as if the original game plan was to just live with the risks of playing vanilla against Vick and only scheme against Kolb. Seems pretty short sighted.
True. In Cole they’ve got an elite pass rusher and in Graham and Parker they’ve got two good guys too. When you add to that a pretty good secondary and some decent linebackers it makes for a pretty good defense. It’s nice that we were able to put up 27 points too on what was a really, really poor day for Rodgers and the offense.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
That's my deal
I thought our offense looked horrible and to still put up 27 that’s pretty good. I do think that is one of the better defenses we will face
In the coaching staff's defense
It’s tough to just on the fly make adjustments to stop Vick, especially when he’s in prime form. This is the first time he looked like the Vick of old in what? Two years? Super hard to just prepare for that sort of offensive attack and wing together a strategy to stop it.
by PackApologist on Sep 13, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Vick's speed
looked like a few times we might have had the angle on him, then he just puts it into another gear and was gone. He’s truly an elite athlete.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they did make an adjustment and he still ripped us up. They had spies all over the place and the blitzing was very different in the second half. You can tell they tried to maintain the pocket and have it collapse rather than coming around the outside. He’s just THAT elusive. I think we had the wrong guys spying though…seemed like I would see big guys spying and they just aren’t goint to be able to keep up with him. They needed to bring in a really fast LB or a DB to spy on him.
Are you...
…serious??? Give our defense a break. They deserve a ton of credit. Vick on his feet is better than Big Ben on keeping a play alive. You try to cover desean Jackson, or jeremy maclin for 5+secs and see how well you do. I can’t even blame our defense because we were getting to vick, but his speed was too much when we didnt even game plan for it. BTW, C. Matthews is a LEGIT A++ OLB in all phases of the game and he’s only getting better. Had Kolb stayed in the game he wouldve finished with 4-5 sacks in the first game of the season. He had Vick running for his life. Cheers to Zombo. Here’s hoping he replaces brad jones soon
+1
Clay is the real deal. He looks like he’s quickly becoming an elite linebacker.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more on Clay Mathews
It was obvious that the Eagles had no one that could stop him.
I thought your defensive secondary was untested
I thought the O-Line was suspect at best. But you guys have time to fix that if there are different high caliber guys on the bench. I didn’t get to catch if Bulaga played much. How did he do?
I’m an old Hawkeye.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 13, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they were probably untested. They had to have down decently though as neither Jackson or Maclin did much.
Buluga didn’t play. Though I think we’ll be seeing him and T.J. Lang at the OT positions sometime this season as Clifton and Tauscher didn’t look very good.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as they didn't look good early they did stablize
One of those things that they started slow and then finished decent.
Maybe that’s just something to expect out of old players? Although Michael Lombardi said the opposite in his review of the Thursday night game so maybe Bulaga will overtake Cliffy yet this season.
by PackApologist on Sep 13, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I agree. I also think Cliff and Taush will look better in future games. The Eagles brought some tough pressure and it seemed like the Oline adjusted well after a real rough start. I bet we see more of the same though…
Yeah, no doubt after a while we started to play better. Maybe I should be giving more to credit to their blitz schemes as many times they clearly forced Rodgers to throw the ball a second or two earlier then he wanted too.
The sacks early on were bad though as I think all of them were given up against four man pass rushes.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
early sacks
I have to think the early sacks given up by Clifton and Tauscher were largely responsible for Rodgers getting off to a slow start. It just kept the Packers from getting into a rythem that kinda persisted throughtout the game. I’m not going to worry about Clif and Tausch just yet though. Steady old pro’s pulled it together to help the offense score on 4 straight posessions in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs. It will bear watching, but I’ll give them a mulligan for this game.
have to think the early sacks given up by Clifton and Tauscher were largely responsible for Rodgers getting off to a slow start. It just kept the Packers from getting into a rythem that kinda persisted throughtout the game.
That was my feeling and I saw a quote from Tauscher saying that the offensive lines poor play initially kept the offense (Rodgers) from getting into a rhythm.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The coaches must love Matthews
The pass pressure is fantastic, but that stop of Vick on 4th down was just a thing of beauty. Fighting off two blockers, holding his ground, and making the stop at the point of attack.
He does it all. Rush the passer, stop the run, and drop back into coverage. And really, he does them all very well. The dude is so so good.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
It’s hip to say our D sucks. Thank you to all the Eagles fans for talking sense around here.
by PackApologist on Sep 13, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Another Thing I Noticed
Was our good secondary play. now someone please correct me if I’m wrong because I haven’t watched the game a second time yet. Didn’t T. Williams and C. Woodson look really good when a QB of the eagles got ride of the ball in a timely manner (ie vick not scrambling for 10 seconds and then throwing a huge play)???? Sam Shields came in and gave up some plays, but I can’t stress it enough that its hard for a rookie corner to guard good receivers when the QB has forever to get them the ball.
Yes, both Williams and Woodson looked really good. Right, even though Shields had a couple mistakes, those were to be expected. He held his own in their for sure, and did so covering Maclin and sometimes Jackson.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Williams really impressed me this game. I was really hoping we’d see that after a rough few games last year. He looks like things are starting to click and this was a very good test. The Iggles have some good WRs.
Nice win
Tough opponent, hostile environment, and QB having an off game yet still pulled it out.
I thought the Pack was going to blow them out when ahead 27-10 and had the ball..was looking for the “dagger”. Didn’t might sweating it out as long as they get the W.
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
a little early perhaps...
but I could see it. CLay can probably get about nine sacks in these next four or five games
And we can still get Harris back to bolster our secondary.
by cheddarhead on Sep 13, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I may be looking forward to Bigby more than Harris
Bigby can provide that heavy hitting presence that is lacking in the secondary. This would be a good compliment to having Collins ballhawking. Burnett got through his first game pretty well, only a few times dropping the ball, but he definately is not as physical as either Collins or Bigby. At the very least Bigby can help compliment what should shape up to a very strong group of safeties.
Harris I have low expectations for. He’s coming off a terrible injury and getting long in the tooth. In consideration of that anything he can contribute to the team is gravy once he gets back on the field.
by PackApologist on Sep 13, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
This is interesting
OK, the defense had a lot of problems with Vick, but as Williams said they didn’t game plan for him either. And they couldn’t make the adjustment at half because Kolb played the final series of the 1st half.
Bradley also returned after his initial hit, and that one looked bad; he had the classic “newborn foal” stumble while attempting to get up. I wonder if the Eagles will face any blowback from the NFL for putting two concussed guys back in the game.
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agreed
I said to my wife “no way he comes back in the game” and lo and behold he was back in there. She looks at me like “you sure you know what’s going on?”
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
game planning on D
I don’t buy the apologists for the D that say “they didn’t game plan for Vick” and that’s why they sucked a good portion of the 2nd half and were only saved by Vick’s mental mistakes and Clay Mathews. The Iggles didn’t get to game plan for vick either, so that should be a wash. But their coaches made adjustments, Capers did not. One rap on Capers (and McCarthy) by some pundits has been their inability to make adjustments on the fly.
So you don’t think the offensive coaches have ready made adjustments for the offense if it has to play w/ a backup QB? I do… The Packers have ready made game plan adjustments if Rodgers goes out and Flynn has to go in and play. They know that players strengths and weaknesses and can adjust on the fly much quicker than the defense of the opponent. Would the Packers call the same plays if Rodgers goes out? No… They know Flynn and should have a plan to adopt should that happen. I would if I were the HC. Some plays you just can’t run w/ Flynn that you can w/ Rodgers. Would Reid have a much different game calling philosophy if Kolb is out and Vick is in? Sure seemed like the Iggles knew exactly how to call a game should Vick have to enter the game permanently!
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I was thinking about that while reading that other thread.
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I know of one admin on another SBN site who has helped users change their names
Without forcing them to re-register. It may be worth asking Brandon if he can do the same.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
the primary difference between rushing Vick and a less mobile quarterback is that you have to keep contain in the way you collapse the pocket. I definitely saw some changes in that as the game progressed. There were some lapses, of course. But the main thing is that unless you’re playing spy/monster where you’re dedicating one player to follow Vick all over the field, he’s so fast that he’s simply going to run away from everyone because Defenses typically don’t consider the QB to be an offensive threat in running with the ball.
Playing spy on Vick is almost a waste of a player because of Vick’s speed. The guys we’d have to dedicate would be either Woodson or Collins, as an LB simply doesn’t have the speed. those guys are simply too valuable neutralizing the other weapons. Pick your poison, I guess.
My .02 is that we would have had perhaps 7 or 8 sacks with Kolb in there.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
HUH?
The eagles didn’t game plan for Vick being in there? They don’t have to. Its not like they changed their gameplan that much…he’s instinct…its HIM not the offensive gameplan that makes him dangerous. We have to react…they just have to let him be him. Not a wash.
Exactly. You can basically call whatever for him. You know every down at the very least he’s going to keep the play alive. He forces the secondary to be better and cover longer. But you also have to worry about him taking off. Really, he’s problem just as hard to game plan for as a Manning or Brady, if not more so.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
One play that kind of flies under the radar
Is that one-handed grab Greg Jennings made of an Aaron Rodgers pass on the first touchdown drive in the second quarter.
The pass was off, but Jennings made a great grab of it, helping set up the touchdown.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 13, 2010 5:27 PM CDT reply actions
Great point...
that was a spine tingler! Had the hairs standing on end after that one. Jennings had a good game all around…5 catches for almost 90 yards and he was wide open on the failed third down conversion right before Atlanta got the ball that one last time in the fourth. If Rodgers was on, he could have gone over 100 easy.
Maybe we are spoiled with Jennings, so no one has said anything. But he could benefit the most from Jermichael Finley’s emergence.
highlight material to be sure!
that was a thing of beauty. The ball stopped dead, too. It’s not like he just knocked it down and grabbed his own rebound.
by gern blanston on Sep 13, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was stunned
that he yanked that pass down, awesome.
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by GasHouseMang on Sep 14, 2010 6:18 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
IMO, the usual way to contain a scrambling QB is for the ends to hold their lanes and keep a guy like Vick inside where the help is. Maybe he gets some yards but not the 32 yard type. Overall a pretty good opening game on the road against a hostile crowd and a decent D.
What if we go after him Red Rover style
and have all our lineman hold hands and force him to break through if he wants to get by!
btw,
I thought it showed a real LACK OF CLASS for Vick to throw Kolb under the bus after the game. But, then, Vick had never been accused of having any class.
Vick was trying so hard not to smile
Win or lose, he’s happy to be relevant again.
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by jobe on Sep 14, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, probably not a great comment but at the same time, it’s probably the truth.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
b jones
i like brad jones, he’s not flashy but he doesn’t get burnt either. and he was right there on top of vick on that 4th and 1 also. …that said i like zombo a lot too. sure he had a free shot at vick…but vick also made a lot of would be sackers look slow and tired. i agree the defense gets a mulligan on this one, i think the run d will be fine.
Shields
It appeared that Shields was playing soft in covereage and yet still biting too hard on head and hip fakes. I’m assuming this is just inexperience, but wondered how long he might take to improve. Or, is he relying too much on his closing speed, and consequently will always play too far from the receiver?
Experience
Capers probably wanted him to slowly pick things up by playing more soft. I’m not sure, maybe it’s because that’s where Shields feels most comfortable. Give him more time and we’ll be playing more aggressive defense. He’s still pretty raw.
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