Packer Notes: Assessing The Injuries To Harrell and Grant
by Brandon on Sep 14, 2010 7:00 AM CDT
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PrintFrom Mike McCarthy's press conference on the Green Bay Packers key injuries on Sunday:
Justin Harrell suffered an ACL injury. He will be placed on IR. Justin will be lost for the season. And
Ryan Grant also had a significant ankle injury. We’re still in the process of gathering all of the information.
It's already been reported that DE Jarius Wynn will be re-signed. He was one of the final cuts at the end of training camp after spending the entire 2009 season on the Packers 53-man roster. I like him better than DE C.J. Wilson, but neither holds his position in the middle like Harrell. With the loss of DE Johnny Jolly and now Harrell, the line is a smaller group and makes the release of DT Anthony Toribio a bit tougher in hindsight. Not a big loss, but a loss nonetheless.
Grant is obviously the bigger news. Grant's tweets seem optimistic, but McCarthy's use of the word "significant" means he's out a while. Obviously RB Brandon Jackson takes over, which isn't a big change since Jackson plays a lot as the 3rd down back anyway. FB John Kuhn now is the backup. I hesitate to say he's the new short yardage runner, or for plays up the middle, because Jackson has run in those situations plenty of times too. Grant's clearly better than Kuhn, but he can run and catch a little and should be able to hold down the position for a little while. The bigger problem is that there's only practice squad RB James Johnson behind those two.
Lori Nickel rattles off a few veteran names, with RB Willie Parker at the top of the list. She also mentions RB Ahman Green, who was fine last season and probably wouldn't be heart broken to leave the Omaha Nighthawks for the NFL. Could any of those veterans take over as a lead back if something were to happen to Jackson?
There are about 20 running backs on practice squads around the NFL. One of them is former Boise State RB Ian Johnson. He's a little small, but he's been in the mix to make the Vikings roster the past two seasons. According to my Football Outsiders 2010 Almanac, Johnson's speed score was 107.2 which is pretty good. He's also a decent receiver with 47 catches over his last two college seasons. Another name is former Broncos RB Ryan Torian. At 6'1" and 218 lbs., he not only shares the same first name as Grant but he's a similar size too. Former Titans 2nd round bust RB Chris Henry is on the Seahawks practice squad, but I can't see the Packers having interest in him.
A trade is a possibility too, depending on who's actually available, but those rarely after happen the season starts. There doesn't appear to be any urgency to sign anyone, but that could obviously change. I think they have to make a move to add a running back for next Sunda, and my preference would be to find someone off another team's practice squad.
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More concerened for the players than the lineup implications
The passing game for the Pack is so good, it will be hard for defenses to place a singular focus on their running game. That should hopefully bode well for Jackson and Kuhn.
The good thing about getting Wynn back into the group is that he knows the format and knows the team. He’s got his years under him and hopefully that will equate to a calm state of mind and no jumpiness/additional penalties that usually come with inserting someone new off an injury. The guy’s earned his time as a starter in previous lineups and he has everyone’s full confidence.
I’m just hoping those injuries aren’t too serious and they can come back feeling good and ready to play.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Spoke too soon
My thoughts were in the short term. Wow. Just wow.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Harrell = Not Impressed
Sorry I have not been impressed with Justin Harrell, he has been injured 90% of his four year career which doesn’t bode well for a interior defensive lineman. I understand that it has been a tough pill to swallow since he was drafted with high expectations but really I feel we need to cut our losses with him and look for a replacement. With Wynn coming back into the lineup he will bring a lighter player but one who knows the system and has played consistently for us before when Harrell has been out. As for the running back situation I feel that B.Jackson and Kuhn showed on Sun. that they can fill the shoes of R.Grant. I wouldn’t really be to quick to jump out and sign on a player quite yet unless the speculation is that Grant is done….I really feel that he will be o.k. and the coaches are just being careful!! Personally I would like to see the staff stick with B.Jackson and give him the opportunity to show his skills out there on the field and then if he struggles start looking then.
DREB
by Packer-fan-atic77 on Sep 14, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
Time to give up on him. I don’t want him on the roster next year. I don’t care how cheap he is…he’s taking a roster spot from a player who might actually be able to make a difference on the team!
by TrevorR on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was a bad pick
Justin Harrell was a terrible pick at the time he was picked. While it isn’t fair to argue that the injuries he suffered after he was drafted are proof of this, there was sufficient reason to believe that he was injury prone at the time he was drafted. He wasn’t worthy of a first-round pick and Thompson has compounded this mistake by refusing to get rid of the guy. Let’s hope he does so after the season is over, because like Trevor, I’d like to see his roster spot taken by somebody else.
RB Options...
I like the idea of Ryan Torrain or maybe kicking the wheels on Willie Parker. I know Willie has lost a step but he knows how to be a #1 and he’s a threat in the passing game too. Green is the easy phone call if this is a 2 week injury, but if this is something where Grant could miss more than a couple games, it might be time to look to other options for guys that could add something more dynamic to our team.
I scrubbed the rosters to see if there are any teams that might have an excess of quality backs that would make them interested in trading some of it away. Trade possibilities could include Marshawn Lynch, Willis McGahee, Kevin Jones (DET), maybe Snelling/Norwood (ATL), Choice (DAL), Lex Hilliard (MIA), one of the NE backs, or Quintin Ganther or Julie Jones (SEA). No idea if any of these teams are interested, these are just guys buried on the depth chart that could be a nice filler.
I think a few of these guys could be had for a fairly affordable price and could really give the team a nice spark.
Something tells me that they aren't going to swing a trade with Buffalo this week
And unfortunately we play all of those teams who you listed as deep at RB at some point this year. I doubt that would completely close the window to a trade, but it doesn’t exactly make it easier either.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
ahhh good point.
never thought of the Buffalo matchup. I am sure the Packers would LOVE to bring in a Buffalo back right now haha.
THats where I would be going for a RB.
With Grant out for the year. I would be looking for Lynch on a one year tryout! If he stays clean and keeps his head straight maybe bring him back…
I’d LOVE it if they brought Lynch in. My guess is they just start Jackson and pick up a guy for depth purposes though.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Suddenly Lynch doesn’t sound so shabby in here! haha I remember we talked as nauseum about him in the offseason and the consensus was that he wasn’t worth it but now I’d be willing to give up a draft pick for him. Might have to wait a week though. HOw about we bring Green in for depth and then trade for Lynch to challenge for the starting job.
Not a big fan of Lynch
But if we wanna have a shot at a SB run we need a RB who can produce. Loved Jackson in his role but not sure I want him getting 20+ carries a game. So factoring in a possible SB run, Lynch might be the best we could do under the circumstances.
Thomspson like McFadden alot too, but he just had a pretty good day in Oak. So he may not be available.
Wonder is Ahman can carry out thru for 5 -6 weeks till Starks comes off PUP!
Jackson isn't starting material
He may have found a niche as a third-down back, but I just don’t see him as a feature back on a Super Bowl team.
What would you give up for Lynch? Thompson throws away draft picks like they were manhole (personhole?) covers.
No “hole” jokes please.
I might go as high as a 3rd. Not sure if we’d have to go that high or not. I think they were looking for a 2nd at one time but no one bit. Might be a good time to go after him.
Personally
I would offer a 5th and probably do a 4th when it came down to it… Don’t think I go a 3rd… From what I read he is available for a mid round pick.
Torain
I’ve been hearing about this guy for about three years it seems like. Isn’t he oft-injured?
…not that that would be a deal-breaker for us. We don’t need him as a feature, workhorse back. We just need him to spell Jackson until Grant returns. I like the idea. I say sign Torain.
…otherwise, get Ahman. Leave Willie Parker alone. He’s done.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 14, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Torain is pretty injury prone. I know when he first came into the league though there was some good buzz about him until he tore his ACL (I’m pretty sure that’s what happened at least?). I think it’d be worth it to bring him in if he’s healthy. It certainly couldn’t hurt.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Thompson's not panicing.....yet
I think we’ll have to see how Jackson gets through the game this week and what Grant’s status is before we start to talk trades or waivers.
We see a lot of dime packages against us
And we also grumble about how the GM set up the roster.
It would be completely irresponsible for TT to release Harrell
He’s under contract until 2012. He had the athletic potential to be a first round pick. He’s had a history of injuries, but they’ve all been unrelated to each other. He can be placed on IR so that he doesn’t count against the roster this year going forward.
I realize it’s fashionable to hate on Harrell for essentially taking the Packer’s money and being hurt constantly. Trust me, I’ve gotten frustrated with his lack of ability to stay on the field too. But what does releasing Harrell right now accomplish? Absolutely nothing except maybe making a few of us relieved that we don’t have to worry about him next year.
Alternatively, what does keeping Harrell and allowing him to compete for a roster spot next year accomplish? If he recovers well from the injury his athleticism could bolster an already strong defensive front line. If he proves washed up, we can releases him while not paying substantially more than we would with an injury settlement right now. If we want to wait, we can put him on the PUP list to begin the year. Where exactly is the downside to keeping him around?
I’m not saying give him a roster spot next year just because he’s a high draft pick, but to release him now for virtually no gain rather than have him compete for a roster spot next year is ridiculous.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
by GoGregGo on Sep 14, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
With Harrell on IR
it doesn’t hurt anything holding onto him right now. i thought this was the final year of his contract, but i guess i’m wrong. He can come back next year and compete for a roster spot. it is a risk, a big risk, but it is a high reward risk. If this was Harrell’s final year though, I would let him hit Free Agency and move on. If he’s still under contract through next year, we start over and hope that his injury issues are behind him. The man has potential and skills.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
waste of time, resources and a roster spot.
Disagree. What does having him around accomplish? Nothing. If Harrell has proven one thing, it’s that he can’t stay on the field. What you see is what you get: a guy whose body can’t handle playing top-level football. Time & effort spent on his development was a waste. More would be more of a waste.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 14, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me ask you this
Do you think that the Packers would be able to fill his roster spot with a free agent with his kind of upside next year? I seriously doubt it. I don’t see replacing a potential impact player with a poor health history with a street free agent as being even a lateral move, much less a positive one.
I would argue that if he’s proven one thing, it is that he is unlucky. If, say, he was constantly hurting his knee and couldn’t stay on the field, I might agree with you. Having a series of unrelated injuries just seems like poor luck to me.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Its not about this year and filling the roster spot…they are going to bring a guy in if he is on IR or cut…doesn’t matter. Its about next year. He is stealing playing time from others and roster spots from others. PLUS, we still have to pay him next year if we bring him back. If we cut him its much less or nothing (I am no contract guru). If it happens every once and a while, its unlucky (See Bob Sanders). If it happens every year and early every year, its a sign!
This isn’t about serious unrelated injuries…most of his have been the same problems over and over.
Um about Bob Sanders
Pretty sure Bob Sanders isn’t hurt “every once in a while.” Here are his games played per season from when he was a rookie to this year:
6, 14, 4, 15, 6, 2, 1
That is a guy who I would say is hurt on almost the same basis as Harrell has been. To call Sanders “unlucky” and for Harrell “a sign” is ridiculous.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
hmmm
Here are Harrells:
7/2, 6/1, 0/0, 1/0
Sanders might not be a great example either but you give him chances over and over because when he plays he’s a pro bowler and he’s actually started more than 3 games in his career. Harrell is being given the same length of rope and has done NOTHING to earn it except being drafted too high in the draft. Its not at all ridiculous.
And you know what, I am sure the Colts fans are tiring on Sanders too…at some point you just can’t count on a guy and you need to cut the rope.
What has he accomplished?
Harrell, even when he did play, didn’t do anything.
Keeping him accomplishes the same thing keeping him around this year did…he took a spot on the roster from someone who could have done something this year…Torbio? One of the other guys that was quickly scooped up on waivers? We gave up on Blackmon for the same reasons…why not Harrell. The guy can’t stay healthy. At this point, I don’t care if he came in and had one nice year for another team. He’s an injury bust and he’s hurting our depth. Nothing good is going to come from keeping this guy. Just dump him and get this all over with!
Exactly
Dumping Harrell in reality had no effect on our depth. We cut Wynn, Harrell gets hurt, we resign Wynn. How do you know that Torbio would have been the one to stay? Just because another team picks him up doesn’t mean he would have been the best option. These are all guys that would have just been game day inactives, while Harrell was actually going to play during games. Sounds like the coaching staff made a roster move to help the team this year. Shocking!
I know saw at least one impact play he made on Sunday in limited time before getting hurt. Personally I think Harrell’s potential justifies giving him another shot, even with his injury history. For a cross-sport reference, that worked out pretty well for the Rangers with Josh Hamilton.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
you didn’t see AT LEAST one impact play from him…he posted no stats and the only time his name was mentioned was when he got hurt. You might have seen him make a little push on a play but thats it.
If by "a little push"
you mean “got in the QB’s face and forced a hurried throw” then yes. That is an impact play.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
If that'[s the sum total of his accomplishments over three years
then I say try somebody else.
So that is one play…not one I remember either but lets say it did happen. That one play, a hurry is reason to keep him around again despite him accomplishing nothing over 4 years? I just don’t get it…
Not just the hurry
There’s a reason a team (the Packers) was willing to take a chance on him in the first round, he’s got the gifts. He didn’t get much time on the field against Philly but still was able to make an impact on that play, despite not playing competitive football in over a year. I’m just arguing it on a basis of potential outweighing the injury risk, with that play pointing to the fact that he could be a boost to the D-line we have.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
He's a bust
He was a reach when Thompson took him. Harrel had shin splints and a bad lower back (!) in high school. At Tennessee, he had surgery for shin splints on his right leg in 2003 and missed most of the spring practice that year. In August of 2003, Harrell broke his right ankle and missed the first five games of the season.
Hel missed two games in 2004. In Tennessee’s second game of the 2006 season, his senior year, Harrell tore his biceps and opted for season-ending surgery.
This injury history, particularly the bad lower back dating all the way back to high school, made him unworthy of a first round pick. Besides, as you can see, he didn’t play very much in college. He’s big, and probably strong, but that’s not enough. The guy was a bad pick when made and Thompson needs to admit he screwed up and move on. Good GMs do that.
by ktenreb on Sep 15, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Harrell
For starters, his placement on IR is no different from releasing him outright at this moment. The only thing is he has a chance to compete again next year. Whether we release him or keep him next offseason should be determined based upon who we draft and who if anybody we bring in via Free Agency. I think it’s too early to just say outright “cut Harrell”, although I do understand the sentiment. Lets wait until this upcoming offseason to figure out what to do with him, for now he’s out on IR. Time to move on.
With this in mind though, maybe you or Stroh can answer this question. His contract apparently expires after next season. If we release him early, do we lose our shot at a compensation draft pick? He is after all a former 1st Round pick. If we let him hit Free Agency after next season, we would surely receive one, wouldn’t we? I’m not really sure how that all works.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
compensatory picks
If you release a player you get nothing for him. Even if we release him before next season we get nothing. If we keep him next season and he leaves after becoming a FA we might get a compensatory pick.
Gotta make a qualifying offer if you are angling for compensation
What would you offer him? Enough for first-round compensation? He’d sign basically any offer that the Packers would make at this point. He’s a complete bust coming off of his third or fourth serious injury, and that’s after he missed his senior year in college due to (wait for it) . . . an injury. Compensation for him? Forget it.
by ktenreb on Sep 14, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Josh Hamilton??
By the way, Josh Hamilton was drafted by the Rays as a #1 pick. His drug problems derailed his career for like 6 years. He was then grabbed by the Reds in the Rule 5 draft before being traded to the Rangers. So its really not a great example as he didn’t show up on their team until 2007.
The Rangers grabbed him after 2 teams basically gave up on him…
Actually, that would make a perfect example
The guy has great natural talent, but couldn’t get on the field. When he was able to stay on the field, he produced for the team that gave him a chance.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
haha okay man…
Hamilton was in the Rays minor leagues throughout the 2000s…he had plenty of chances. It just took a lot of time and him cleaning his life up. The problem is that Harrell isn’t dealing with a drug addiction, he can’t just clean this up.
I guess I just disagree
I don’t feel that Harrell will never be able to stay on the field. I think that the risk the Packers would take on him staying healthy for a year is worth the potential reward of another 1st round D-lineman talent playing for us. But I guess that’s where we differ.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Ahman Green
I thought he looked good last year and could probably help right away…but maybe I’m crazy..
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Let's see what ya got action jackson
give the kid the ball 20 times against buffalo and lets see what weve got here.
Jay Glazer just tweeted that Grant is done for the year
Let’s hope he’s wrong. I like BJack but if he’s our #1 all year that will hurt
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
Not the end of the world. I think a lot of people over value Grant. He’s pretty average to me. I’m not convinced that Jackson wouldn’t be able to replicate the numbers that Grant has put up.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
They're not the same kind of back.
And Jackson isn’t very consistent in the run game.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you can count on Grant more than Jackson,
but that’s a fair point.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That was true two years ago,
maybe even last year.
Not so sure about this year.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Lets not undervalue this injury. That leaves us with ONE back on the roster. Sure Grant isn’t AP, but he’s still a consistent runner and clearly he’s still better than JAckson cause I never heard an ounce of talk about Jackson pushing him for the job. They are very different runners…now I think he can be adequate as a fill in but we have NOTHING behind him and we are trying to make a SB run. We need to do something…
My point exactly
BJack himself isn’t that much of a drop off but the drop off from BJack as a back up to John Kuhn as a backup is a different story
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
No doubt we have serious depth issues. I just think in comparing Jackson and Grant we won’t lose much having to go with Jackson.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He is over valued
The dropoff from Grant to Jackson isn’t significant, but the depletion in depth is.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
why not Jackson?
The kid is good. He carried 18 times for a respectable 3.5 ypc against a stingy opponent who, for big stretches of the game, knew that a run was coming. Let’s face it, after 27-10 McCarthy & Co turned very conservative. That worries me more than trusting Bjax with the ball. Can’t get THAT conservative when third quarter is not over yet.
Jackson has a very good 4 ypc career stat, is a very good ball catcher, and our best RB at picking up blitzes. With Kuhn bulldozing his way on short yardage we should be good in running game. This offense does not need a lot of help there, just decent running which I think Jackson has it.
But I think McCarthy chickens out too much during crucial moments. That worries me. Time to dare a bit, coach! This is a moment we need to seize.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
agree, but
In the context of the game, it’s respectable considering the circumstances and the opponent. Against Buffalo he will have 4.5 ypc
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
3.5 is never good.
Regardless of context.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
We're running more of a hybrid
3-4 4-3 thing this year. But yea the stated goal is a3-4 D.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
disagree about MM
I just saw the replay on the nfl network and actually MM didn’t get conservative but Rodgers just wasn’t very good. He threw high for a pick on one drive, I think his arm did get hit. On the next drive he under threw a ball to a wideout on third down.
His pick was just a bad throw. He was hurried on that short throw though. They had a corner or safety flying in, and Rodgers had to get rid of it.
by packallday555 on Sep 15, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Marshawn Lynch still available?
He doesn’t set the world on fire but he could probably be had for a mid-round pick.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldn't want him near GB
Something tells me that this guy is either a bust or has major character issues or both
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He's recently been a 1000 yard back
He’s also not a big enough personality to really shake things up in terms of chemistry. He’d just be a guy with a shot at redeeming his career. For the right price I’d take him without concern.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BJax can be a 1200 year back if you feed him carries
Marshawn Lynch’s career ypc is the same as Bjax, 4. His carries have diminished every year he’s been in Buffalo. Just don’t see how this clown can help our team.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
1200 for Jackson is wishful thinking
He doesn’t get enough yards per carry to get close to that at the rate they run the ball. 1000 yards might even be too unrealistic a goal.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
we'll be fine
if Jackson can get 4 yds per carry….
Rodgers & co can take care of the rest
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't trust Jackson running late in the year.
He’s not nearly as powerful as Grant, and when the snow comes down you’ll see how big the difference is.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Saying that Jackson (who’s never carried for more than 300) can be a 1200 back and then completely write off a two time 1000 yard back is kind of silly in my book. We HOPE he can be that but we don’t know anything about Jackson as a FT every carry back.
Jackson will be ready. I predict 1000+ yds and 10 TDs for him this year.
TT is not going to sign the clown Lynch because he knows better.
The signing of a Falcons PS back tells me that they’re comfortable with Bjax as a featured back.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Grant only had 10+ TDs once
It’s a huge stretch to assume Jackson can do it. If he had that kind of talent he’d have had a bigger role in the offense already.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
How many carries would you have to feed him to get him to 1,200 yards?
He had a shot at being the feature back the year he was drafted, but he couldn’t hold the job. Sionce then, he’s had plenty of shots, but he hasn’t taken the job, even when nobody really had it. He’s settled into a role as a third-down back, and I would argue that Tony Fisher was better at it while he was here. I hope he can shoulder the load, but I don’t see it happening.
Most here seem to disregard him
but he’s definitely an option if he’s healthy off the PUP
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Francesa in NY is reporting Grant is done for the season.
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Ouch
Jay Glazer also reporting Grant done for the season via twitter:
Tough blow for the Packers, I’m reporting RB Ryan Grant is done for the year w severe ankle and leg injuries. Will be placed on IR.
Brandon Jackson era begins
He was never given a chance in the first place. The Packers didn’t want to give the load to him in his rookie year. They ended up getting Grant, which stopped the chances of Jackson doing anything. Now he has a few seasons of experience, and has probably adapted to proball.
I am more than confident Jackson can step it up. We have depth on almost every offensive position, and I am not worried. Now losing someone on defense would suck. We really don’t have much depth there IMO.
I hope you're right
because Jackson has done nothing to convince me he’s anything more than a backup.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually he WAS given a chance and he wasn’t ready for it. Grant didn’t get his chance until mid season after the Jackson experiment failed. I think he MIGHT be ready now though…we’ll see.
Yes
Jackson failing had nothing to do with poor line play in the first half of that season.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
the same lineplay that suddenly just happened to clear up the game Grant was given a chance. What a coincidence.
Its okay to admit Jackson wasn’t ready yet…many rookies aren’t. Not saying he isn’t now…just that he wasn’t then.
I'm not saying Jackson was ready then
he probably wasn’t. But you can’t pin him failing his rookie year completely on him. Our line play was atrocious in the early season. I’m not suggesting a switch was thrown when Grant started, but the line play for his starts was (on average) better than the line play for Jackson’s starts.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
only a hand full of backs
can actually mean anything during their first year. Adrian Peterson is one that was ready, B-Jack wasn’t.
And I agree with you Greg. Using someones rookie year when they weren’t expected to be good that year isn’t a fair assessment. When we get into week 4, we will start to understand if Brandon Jackson can be meaningful. I am optimistic at the moment. And if all fails, we’ll rely on Rodgers and our awesome passing game.
by UncleJustice on Sep 14, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Grant succeeded because his timing was right
The Packers couldn’t run the first half of 2007, so McCarthy came up with the five WR sets and Favre killed opposing defenses, so they adjusted and played nickel and dime, at which point Grant was the starter and he was running against 6 in the box. Yes, the line played better, but it was not because of the linemen — it was because of McCarthy and Favre.
IMO
Thompson bring back Ahman for a few weeks, while he looks at his options. After 3 weeks or so, he could make a trade or wait for STarks to come off PUP. I don’t see Jackson being the RB we need for a SB run. Thats why Lynch could be worth the risk… Kinda like Rison was!
After all is said and done, I think Thompson uses Green for 6-8 weeks and then brings STarks from PUP to spell BJ and possibly replace him as the starter!
I know of him...
Decent RB, hard runner but lacks any kinda burst and limited elusiveness. From what I remember of him at ASU he’s not a good pass reciever either, but not real sure.
He caught 48 passes over his last two years at ASU
He’s probably OK at it.
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Mini profile from what I've gathered from the ASU website:
5-10
218 pounds
22 years old
Lead ASU in rushing the last two years
Is a “tough inside runner”
by Jason Hirschhorn on Sep 14, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ted Thompson struck gold...
with Ryan Grant…can he do it twice? Let’s see if this guy pans out
Should be a decent pickup
he runs hard. but I don’t see him having the elusiveness to be more than just a decent fill in. No long speed… between him and Jackson you might get a good rotation. Totally different RB.
It was reported that the Falcons tried to keep him
That’s always a good sign. Although really he should just be more meat for the grinder. Anything more is pure bonus.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
totally bummed out with RG news...
Someone give me a silver lining here. If you look back a couple of weeks ago in training camp, I was so bullish on Lumpkin…but that’s 20/20 hindsight. Didn’t our offense run pretty well even without Grant in there? We did score 14 points in the 3rd quarter…..
Anyone else here want Marshawn Lynch?
I mean, even CJ Spiller looked bad running with that Buffalo Offensive line (8 carries for like 6 yards sunday?…I bet Marshawn Lynch would have new life playing with his former Cal teamate, Aaron.
Guys I hate trade speculation...
But doesn’t Buffalo need offensive lineman? I think the marshawn deal would make sense….it fits. This guy has talent , he runs REAL hard…it’s not like he lacks the effort.
man I wish weren’t playing them in week 2…I can’t imagine them trading him to us the week we play them. Maybe they grab someone as a stopgap and then make a serious move in a week or two.
so you agree with getting Marshawn?
I say let’s do it! Let’s gamble a little here!
by PackFaninFL on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say go for it if we can get him cheap.
but it’s probably not going to happen TT’s especially not going to gamble on Knuckleheads, and Lynch has major Knucklehead-itis.
you guys are crazy.....
why is buffalo demoting this bum to thrid stringer?
Are they stupid or something?
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
He's worn out his welcome in Buffalo. But he hasn't done or said anything negative for awile.
And he has top RB ability!
Hold on...
He was injured the first week of training camp and they have two pretty good guys ahead of him…I am looking at his career stats and he isn’t a bum. Every game I see him, he runs hard. He doesn’t come off like a bum to me
OK off the field issues...
yeah he’s had those issues. But you make it sound like he’s Jamal Reynolds.
I'd do it
Lynch has more value to us when compared to someone like Spitz. Spitz didn’t swing it to make the starting lineup. He’s great for depth and I like him, but we need an RB more than we need a backup C and G. After Spitz, we still have Bulaga and TJ Lang. Who do we have beyond Jackson?
by gern blanston on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
We are signing Dimitri Nance?
Come on Ted. There are better running backs out there.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 14, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions
I bet you said that about Grant once upon a time
by LilNitschke66 on Sep 14, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Stole the words right from me
Sometimes good guys get down low on a team because there is too much talent at the position. Atl does have some talented backs…or at least one really talented back.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
sigh...
along with almost every undrafted FA. He wasn’t when we grabbed him, that was kind of the point. Yeah lots of guys have been on practice squads and become pros…that wasn’t really the point though. We grabbed two years after that.
the sigh...
because while its true, its a moot point. its bringing up irrelevant information for the sake of argument. He wasn’t there when we got him, it was two years prior. Different situation.
Are there better RB on practice squads?
Thats the question. Nance will run hard on inside zone plays and BJ can run the outside stuff. That might be enough.
Nance ran for 41 yards in preseason
Only 2.9 yards per carry. His longest run was 9 yards.
There are people out there NOT on a practice squad who have way more NFL experience. Normally, I am the one trying to defend Ted Thompson, but this is one of two moves that have really frustrated me this year – the other being a refusal to bring in a defensive free agent at OLB or CB.
The Packers have the ability to be a Super Bowl contender, but usually when you have a team like that you need to plug your holes with quality free agents.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 14, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Grant
Its says on ESPN that Grant is done for the year. What does everyone think of that? How does it affect our playoff chances? Who do we get to back up Jackson? What about Starks when he comes back?
Just saw a couple of vids on youtube on Nance...
no videos featuring him, just videos of ASU games and the kid runs hard. Maybe we should give him a chance and see how Bjack does.
Here’s one of those videos. Skip to the 2:42 to 3:47 mark…for a series of Nance runs. The kid looks pretty good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-xirgUymuY
Whats the love affair with Lynch???
I really am having a hard time understanding ya’lls love affair with Lynch. Is he a good running back? Yes. Does he have personality issues? Yes. Are there other RB out there to be had? Yes. I just think that TT and MM need to look @ all the options and go from there, yes Lynch is a possibility, but is he worth a trade to get. I don’t know and what about Willie Parker he is a pick up with no strings attached as a FA. I know, I know he is a bit washed up but it seems so is Lynch. I guess it will just remain to be seen what the men upstairs will do.
DREB
by Packer-fan-atic77 on Sep 14, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
Lynch isn’t washed up like Parker is washed up. I wouldn’t object to kicking the tires on Parker but he’s a FA right now and no one wants him despite being a #1 back a couple years ago…that should say SOMETHING about him.
Lynch is a knucklehead but if he wasn’t he wouldn’t be available and the Bills wouldn’t have drafted Spiller.
How many years has Nance been in the league?
Is he able to pickup blitzes reliably? How long is it going to take him to pick up the Packers offense?
I don’t know, I would have rather got someone with more NFL experience. At least they know the ins and outs of the league. Grant had at least been in and around the league for 2 years when Thompson picked him up.
I think this injury hurts us more than people are willing to admit. We’ll become a little more one-dimensional on offense, and other teams are going to be able to drop off in pass coverage more easily.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 14, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions
IR
I’m pretty sure Grant was on IR. Those guys aren’t able to really sit in meetings or anything, are they? So, to say he was in the league for 2 years doesn’t really carry the same weight as a guy that made the roster but just didn’t play.
by gern blanston on Sep 14, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Really I would imagine he's more of a spelling back than a 3rd down back
Now he still needs to know how to pick up blitzes if our offense is going to be flexible with him in the game, but it’s probably not the most critical thing he knows. Right now we just need another body to hand the ball to and run through the holes.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
We're not going to make a trade
We’re fine. Bjax Kuhn and the Falcons PS kid.
More than enough to take us to Superbowl.
Forget Parker, Lynch or the rest of washed up or headcases of NFL. The Packers aren’t owned by Dan Snyder
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
wow…I am sorry but there might be a lot of homerism in here right now. If you sit there and say that is enough to get to the super bowl I don’t know if I can get behind that. I am willing to give Jackson 2 weeks to prove he can do it but even if he does prove it…we need SOMEONE behind him to spell him and as insurance.
Most teams have two quality backs these days…we don’t know if we even have one now.
Yeah got to agree with Trev on this one
I would be open for a Lynch trade, but the trick is going to be two things….
What do you give up and what do you pay him?
What do you give up?
Man this is a hard question. Something tells me the Bills aren’t going to want to let him get away for nothing. He may be 3rd on the depth chart, but that can change in a hurry with RB’s. Plus, it’s not like there is a rule saying that the third RB can only come in if injuries happen. So basically they can sit on him and still get production. He’s also an insurance policy if Spiller busts.
What do you pay him?
If he comes here he’s going to want a new contract. How do you commit to him? If he comes in he’s clearly not going to the future…is he? Maybe a decent two or three year deal? Something where he can be showcased in a major offense and then let him test the FA market? Would he go for an idea?
I don’t know….the idea has merit, but an offer like this isn’t going to happen this week. Afterall, we play the Bills and while they aren’t a great organization right now they aren’t stupid and still want to win this game.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Contract...
He’s got to earn his new contract. Honestly, I don’t think Lynch would even want to get a new contract right now cause it would be based on recent experiences which have been lackluster due to a lack of opportunity and being on a team with a terrible O line. I think Lynch comes here and sees it as his chance to step up and raise his career.
how about this
Convert Glenn Coffee to football player again?
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Sep 14, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
this scares me,
our lack of depth at RB is truly pathetic
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
We just need depth
Jackson looks much better to me than 3 years ago, if he can hold up for the season we’ll be fine. I have confidence in Ted finding us a quality backup for Jackson. Quality running backs come from all over sometimes they just need a chance. Look at what the kid in Houston did this past weekend he was on their practice squad last year. Running backs are one of the easier positions to find, and especially for our offense. A average back can get decent stats in our offense because most teams are geared up to stop the pass against us. It would be nice to find a backup to Jackson that could pound a little and move the pile in the fourth when were trying to run clock with the lead.
it seems thats what TT had in mind
besides, if this kid from falcons PS doesnt do anything great, we can always sign the next guy in line…
Laurence Maroney
@Adam_Schefter: “New England traded running back Laurence Maroney to Denver. Compensation not know yet. More details at ESPN.com.”
Come on now. Why couldn’t we get in on that Deal???? Bet Denver got him for draft picks and cash.
Unbelievable.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 14, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions
I've followed Maroney closely in his career he sucks
Took him in fantasy his 1st 2 years in the league
Always hurt
At this point I’d like to see them acquire someone they can count on. There’s something always keeping Maroney out.
I, for one, like the Dimitri Nance pickup...
From what I’ve read, he’s a decent sized back with good hands from a similar zone blocking scheme. He’ll just be a back up to Jackson until Starks comes off PUP. I don’t think any of the available veterans are any more attractive at this point from either the perspective of usable skills and/or salary requirements.
I also don’t think there will be that much of a drop off in production from Grant to Jackson. While I think Grant has better leverage when he runs downhill, I also think Jackson will be fine when he gets 1st and 2nd down touches. Also, Jackson hasn’t never lost a fumble (175 carries)… My biggest question is how he’ll be used in protection.
Two weeks ago it was an inside joke about Kuhn being a halfback. We just may have the big guys pound the ball as a new direction.
FOR LAURENCE FREAKIN MARONEY
For RB Laurence Maroney, New England gets Denver’s fourth-round pick in 2011 and Denver gets New England’s sixth-round pick in 2011.
He might just need a clean slate. He was perennially in the doghouse in NE so I am not going to bury him yet. He has shown flashes over there. I don’t think I would have given up a 4th for him though.
Agreed.
its a fourth round pick for a 6th and maroney. I wouldve done that in a heartbeat
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 14, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
NO!!!
A flashy name does not a good running back make. Maroney is going to tank in Denver. Maybe just a fifth for the guy, but not two picks and not one as high as a fourth.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Fourth and a sixth for Lynch maybe. Maroney? A guy who couldn’t produce in one of the most prolific offenses in history? No. Too expensive.
Remember, trading with Belecheck is like dealing with the devil. In the end you are going to get the short end of the stick. He’s just not going to give you good value.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
but you make a good point if it was two for maroney. But who do the patriots even have to backup maroney again? kevin faulk?
Even more reason I wouldn't give up that much for him
Belecheck knows how to bring out talent in guys. It’s very rare that you see people go from NE and improve or even stay at the same level. I think the list stops with A. Samuel in Philly and Seymor has been good in Oakland. That’s it ladies and gentlemen.
If he is getting rid of a guy when there doesn’t look to be much talent behind him….well let’s just say that it doesn’t look for for Maroney. Now with this in mind, people want to get into a bidding war for his services? What?
Why not just wait a bit, see if you can swing a Lynch trade or see what Dimitri(who you got for pretty much nothing) can give you first?
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Maroney is an above average NFL back
The problem is that if somebody doesn’t look like a world beater, then a lot of fans think that “they suck”. It has been the case with Ryan Grant for a couple of years now.
For the record, I think Grant is better than Maroney. And I think that both of them are NFL backs who have been proven to at least be better than a replacement level player.
I challenge anyone to tell me with a straight face that they wouldn’t have given up a 4th round pick for Maroney and a 6th.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 14, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think you understand its ONE pick for ONE pick and an above average running back who is most likely, about the same level as ryan grant. Im sure New England could have gotten better value out of this deal, so that kinda suprises me how low he went for.
Good point
I still think that a fourth is too low. Hell Brady Quinn went for a fifth. To me a QB is always goign to be more valuable then a RB.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Brady Quinn
played far less valuable at his position than Maroney. I guess we’ll just see how it all shakes out. I hope that we are okay at the running back position, but put me into the “concerned” category.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 14, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. On another note...
just heard that reggie bush agreed to give up his heisman. I hope it goes to Vince young now, he was a hell of a college QB
I wouldn't of given a 4th and a 6th for Maroney
Not a chance. If Belecheck thought this guy had the drive to be a contributor then he would still be a Pat.
The other thing is, even if this is a good deal, it’s tough to say that the Packers would of even been involved. The other part of this arrangement screams of an inside deal between a coach and his protege. The Packer may not of been invited to the table.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I would
thats a good point (although BB doesnt give much of a damn about his running backs). And your probably right, . TT is very protective of his draft picks
Me too.
I’ll refrain from criticism until I see if Nance is any good, but seeing Thompson opting for the unproven, young guy few have ever heard of over a veteran is hardly surprising.
I’m not a fan of Jackson as the #1 guy. And they need a decent number 2 regardless of whether Jackson’s good enough to be a #1. Maybe Kuhn is that guy, but I sort of doubt he’d be as effective in anything other than spot duty. Hopefully Nance will turn out to be useful, but it would be a shame if this special offense was saddled with subpar RB play so Thompson didn’t have to give up a mid-round pick. Unsurprising, but a shame nonetheless.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 14, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
But Maroney’s got more physical talent than either Jackson or Kuhn, in my opinion. His head might not be in the right place, I suppose. He certainly wasn’t as consistently productive as I thought he’d be when he was drafted. I do know that at points in his career, he did things and put up performances that Jackson isn’t capable of. I haven’t seen Kuhn enough to know if he’s capable of it, but if he was, it’s unlikely he ever would have been a fullback in the first place.
BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 14, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t like Kuhn as a Rb at all. I think we’ll be ok with Jackson as the starter, I just wish we had done something more instead of picking up the guy from Atlanta’s practice squad.
by packallday555 on Sep 14, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes you have to show up without an invite.
It’s Thompson’s job to know who might be available. Quite frankly, if he made a single phone call to anyone inquiring about the availability of an RB, I’d be shocked. He loves his own guys (Jackson, Kuhn) too much to bring someone else in that might take snaps away from him. He’s near-sighted as hell, but I hope he turns out to be right.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 14, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Darren Sproles...
looks like SanDiego is quite pleased with Ryan Mathews, maybe making Sproles expendable
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
I visted you guys a couple of weeks ago....
I still hold the Packers with high regard but seeing Grant go down and then hearing the news today is upsetting. I still think you guys are a serious threat this year though. There are only a few QBs in this league that can work around a news like this…and Arron Rodgers is right up there.
"Osi said he's going to London to see the Eiffel Tower." -- Michael Strahan (America's Game - 2007 NY Giants)
Chris Henry
Is Way better than Nance. Hes on the Seattle PS. I’m sure we could have gotten a better tough running back, than nance.
I would have taken Torain...
… but I can’t say he’s better than Nance because I’ve never seen the guy play. Ted has, or someone on his staff has, maybe you did too in college, so we’ll have to see. But I’m not optimistic.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 14, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
To quote Snake:
Why did we put Grant on IR?
What a dumb Dumb dumb DUMB decision!
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 14, 2010 6:42 PM CDT reply actions
We can't wait for Grant to get healthy
With Grant needing 10-12 weeks to get right and the Packers only having one HB on the roster…added with the fact that Harrell’s old roster spot needs to go to the DL equals Grant needing to go on IR.
Now there might be a compelling case for cutting McDonald and adding a HB, but with Grant gone for most of the season anyways better to shut him down and let him get healthy then to try and push things.
by PackApologist on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
i heard 10-11 weeks to get off crutches, not be ready to play. Hope he comes back strong and fresh next year.
by jpulido on Sep 14, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
that’s a little extreme for a sprain, myself.
Whatever. I’m not Ryan Grant.
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 14, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because
It’s not just a sprain. The reports are Grant requires surgery to repair some ligaments.
That was what was stated on ESPN...
Which obviously is an unviable source for information. You come HERE to get the truth.
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
any torn ligament is a sprain by definition.
there are obviously varying degrees of sprains. 1st, 2nd and 3rd being the worst.
Grants injury from what I read also involves a broken bone (fibula) which is similar to the Levens ankle injury awile back. Thats why it needed a screw to fix. A screw to stablilze the bones so they can heal and allow the ankle to function properly. Any ankle sprain at worst is about 8 weeks (high ankle sprain) that by itself isn’t enough to keep him out for the year… Its the broken bones and secondarily the sprain.
Brian Calhoun is available...
But I think the team definitely needs to pull in 2 other RBs. Jackson’s good, but if he goes down to an injury, the Packers are screwed.
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 14, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay then, who would you pick up?
Willie Parker?
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"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Thomas Jones
Listening to local sports talk radio in KC. Chiefs fans want the Chiefs to trade Thomas Jones to the Packers so Jamal Charles can be the stand alone back. For the right draft pick this could be a good move for the Packers.
Wow, umm.... yeah...
You really think KC is going to part with a very good running back when they just saw an object lesson on what happens to backfields that don’t have enough back up? I mean, yeah I’d take more than one draft pick to get Thomas Jones, but I highly doubt the offer will be there.
The Jets move
to dump Jones looks very dumb considering how poorly Shonn Greene played against the Ravens.
He might have great games against the Bills, but IMO, Jones is a tougher runner at his age than Greene now.
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
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For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Jones
is a 32 yr old RB coming off a 350 touch season! That doesn’t bode well for him EVER being productive again. That is a VERY short list of maybe 1 (Emmitt Smith), I believe…
Thats why the NYJ unloaded Jones… They used up what was likely left of his NFL shelf life. He might look OK as a part time player, but not full time featured RB. Consider Jones about finished for his career! Only reason he even last this long is cuz he was little used for his first 3 or 4 NFL seasons!
Hmm...
I don’t know. Jones has shown a LOT more toughness than Greene.
The Jets sense of entitlement really served them well in that loss Monday Night. Couldn’t happen to a nicer team. I hope the Pats put up 3 touchdowns on them. Revis, IMO, is going to get totally ignored not because he’s good this year, but because he was amazing last year. His decision to miss camp could come back to burn him…
It certainly burned Farve. All his chemistry is with Shiancoe, which means Berrian, one of the best deep threats in the NFL, is withering on the vince.
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
vince? meant to say vine.
I think the Jets have grossly exaggerated their own capabilities. It doesn’t matter how great your defense is if you lose 7-8 games a year. Remember the Ravens from 2003 to 2005? They had Ray Lewis, and capable DBs in Chris McAlister and Ed Reed. They also had a very young Terrell Suggs, but they had no offense aside from Jamal Lewis. They ignored the WR position for years until Derrick Mason fell into their laps. So did they set up Kyle Boller, Chris Redman, and Anthony Wright to be successful? No.
Keller is currently re-learning how to speak in complete sentences... 808NaNz808 on Arrowhead Pride
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
And when Jones was drafted AZ let him go cuz he wasn't physical or tough enough!
Its somethings some of young RB have to overcome.
Berrian is ONLY a deep threat… thats his problem! Poor route runner and not very good hands. He was always over-rated as a deep threat, IMO!
Berrian
needs a QB with a strong arm. Brett has THAT, at the very least.
Did you actually SEE Vikings games from 2007-08? The 06 Bears perfectly used Berrian, setting him up to make the huge catch downfield for the instant TD or 1st and goal. T-Jack and Berrian were underrated in 08, and…
I can’t believe I’m actually defending a Minnesota Viking. Thanks, Stroh! My opinionated conclusion: Berrian is good with the right QB, and the right QB is almost always a young QB (Rex Grossman was young, but not good by any stretch of the imagination, and T-Jack has been…in limbo since Farve entered the picture).
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"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 15, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
defending
Your defending a viking of your own free will… I gave my opinion of him as a WR… Very much an over-rated reciever. Even his production in Chi was modest. yds, TD’s, receptions are all modest from what I remember. And I’m not about to look it up… But if you want to keep a discussion of Berrien as a WR going, have fun w/ it…
Danny Woodhead
Just waived by the Jets this afternoon – would love for the Pack to pick him up. Not that he’s going to solve their RB problem, but the guy is just a stud, in terms of his playing style and attitude. Definitely Packer material. He’s like a cult hero here in Nebraska.
never heard of him until now but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Woodhead
On September 3, 2009, the Jets would face the Philadelphia Eagles in a preseason matchup. During this game, Woodhead would rush for 158 yards, the NFL’s second-highest preseason total since 1992, and two touchdowns
Sometimes I don’t understand NFL scouting. Waived? Hell that game would make him our second best back going into the season (yes i know it was a game last year).
Joique bell
On Buffalo’s practice squad. He’s a big bruising runner who looked good thispre season. Unfortunately he just got caught in a numbers game, with the Bills backfield.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
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