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Packer Notes: The Lions Non-Catch, and The Bears New Left Tackle

 - The Chicago Bears should have one loss! I'm looking forward to this game because of their win last week, not the records. The Cowboys aren't a great team, but the Bears played well and QB Jay Cutler and CB D.J. Moore made some big plays. Losing at home is never good, but barely hanging on to beat the lowly Lions at home isn't very impressive either. It was a catch, but WR Calvin Johnson shouldn't have put the ball on the ground to create a doubt. 

 - I saw that the Bears lost starting LT Chris Williams early in their game last week with a hamstring injury, he had an MRI this week which can't be a good sign, and I'm surprised his replacement was OL Frank Omiyale. You might remember him as one of the Bears big free agent signings in 2009. I thought he looked lousy at left guard for them last year, and he was benched mid-season. But he was eventually put back into the starting lineup and ended up starting 12 games in 2009. Apparently he did a pretty good job protecting Cutler's blind side last week. It'll be interesting to see how he holds up against DE Cullen Jenkins next week. 

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Never heard the term "the process"

until Johnson’s catch. Does that mean if a receiver catches the ball and runs out of bounds it is an incomplete pass because it is still part of the process? The whole idea of “the process” seems highly subjective.

by I voted for Kodos on Sep 23, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

It is...

And its stupid.

So let’s just leave it at that…

Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 23, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, here's the thing:

Brandon, thanks for assigning at least part of the blame to Johnson on that (non)catch. Ever since, I’ve been reading nothing but how “what a dumb rule” and “oh, that was clearly a catch.” But, y’know what? If Johnson had been more concerned with securing the ball than with showboating to celebrate himself, the Lions would’ve won that game. Could he have kept possession all the way through hitting the ground? Probably. But he didn’t. If he COULD’VE caught it, then why didn’t he? Blame the rule if you want, but one has to at least recognize that this is related at least to the same me-first attitude for which we roast guys like TO and Chad Ochocinco.

Johnson’s no-catch is the exact same type of thing as happened on that play a couple years ago when Desean Jackson tossed the ball away a split second before crossing the goal line. Jackson COULD’VE scored that time, but he didn’t because he just HAD to do this celebration. He couldn’t get out of the way of his own ego. Again, he couldn’t scored, but the fact is that he didn’t.

And, btw, last time I checked, he is a professional receiver. Isn’t there an assumed obligation on his part to, like, y’know, perhaps be familiar with the rules that govern his profession? …because the rule is pretty clearly stated, right? I mean, I realize that people don’t LIKE the rule, but we all recognize that, in this case, disallowing the catch was the proper application of that rule. Now, WE didn’t know the rule, and so we were shocked (and I swore at my TV as much as anybody else), but… it’s not like Calvin Johnson just signed from the CFL the day before or something. He’s supposed to be a professional football player. Know the rules! …or at least don’t cry about it when your ignorance and lack of professionalism costs your team a game!

by Curly Lambeau on Sep 23, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I would think that a guy whose job is to catch footballs would know the rules about what does and does not constitute a reception. …as silly as that might sound.

by Curly Lambeau on Sep 23, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Robinson

the Pack’s WR coach, viewed this as an opportunity to teach his/our receivers. It may be a dumb rule, but it’s a rule nonetheless. As such, the players need to learn to work within the confines of the rules so it doesn’t cost their team. Megatron clearly didn’t know the rule and clearly hurt his team.

My take on the spirit of the rule is to even the playing field a little bit. WR have so much leeway and rules to protect them that it seems reasonable to give the defenders a bone.

by gern blanston on Sep 23, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but . . .

It seemed to me like Johnson may have been holding out the ball to show the ref that he caught it (much as an outfielder does in baseball). Or maybe he was showboating, in which case, yes, stupid. Yes, he should know the rules, but really, even after we’ve heard the rule explained a hundred times do you still think that wasn’t somehow a catch? Haven’t heard Johnson complaining about it either (at least he didn’t throw his helmet into the stands or anything).

Also, didn’t the great Sterling Sharpe once drop the ball just before the end zone because there was snow obscuring the line? If I remember right, we recovered and scored anyhow, but it was still pretty funny.

by I voted for Kodos on Sep 23, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seemed to me like Johnson may have been holding out the ball to show the ref that he caught it (much as an outfielder does in baseball). Or maybe he was showboating, in which case, yes, stupid.

Right, Johnson’s actions are as open to interpretation, and maybe more so, than the rule itself. …which goes to show that we shouldn’t just blame the rule book. My impression of what he did is: I think he was trying to use the ball to support his weight as he rolled over and stood up just to look macho. You could see that he kinda’ did a double-take looking down at the ball as he stood up showing that losing his grip on it isn’t what he intended to do.

Anyway, we’re not Lions fans here (thank goodness!), so it’s all academic as far as I’m concerned. …although it would’ve been nice to see the Bears lose, since they’re shaping up (for now, anyway) to be more competition for us in the division. I’m confident that we’ll spank the Bears this Sunday, though. And the Lions still kinda’ scare me with all the talent they’ve got on the d-line. I expect that they’ll put together a few wins here and there as we go along, and they might be a team to watch out for in December. So, who knows, who cares, and it might all come out in the wash anyway.

but really, even after we’ve heard the rule explained a hundred times do you still think that wasn’t somehow a catch?

Yeah, I totally agree with this. Like I say, I shouted at my TV along with everyone else. “Oh come ON! That was a f—-ing CATCH! Gimme’ a BREAK!”

Also, didn’t the great Sterling Sharpe once drop the ball just before the end zone because there was snow obscuring the line?

The one I remember (and I don’t know if we’re thinking of the same play) is when Sharpe had what he thought was a breakaway TD and he started to jog parallel to the endzone line with the intention of extending only his hand over the goal-line so that he could score without ever setting foot in the endzone. But, unbeknownst to him, there was guy sprinting up behind him in his blindspot, who knocked the ball out of his hand and out of the endzone for a turnover and a touchback. As I recall, we wound up winning that game handily anyway, so he didn’t take much flack for it.

by Curly Lambeau on Sep 23, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, he simply stopped running right before the (snow covered) goal line. The opposing player used the opportunity to knock the ball out of his hands, but he scooped it back up and scored.

by Packer Logician on Sep 23, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally disagree.
He made the catch. He secured the ball, He hit the ground. He hung onto the ball. That is his job. What happened after that was post catch. He did his job…

He just WON THE GAME at the last second. He’s not allowed to be excited and get up to celebrate?? He plays for the Lions, its not like he’s winning a lot of games!!

by TrevorR on Sep 23, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Bears OL adjustments

After LT Williams went down, OL Coach Mike Tice made the curious decision to move the line around, shifting RT Frank Omiyale to LT and putting Kevin Schaffer at RT. After that, the protection improved for much of the rest of the game. I’ll be interested to see how the Packers get pressure without exposing the secondary in the passing game — the Cowboys certainly couldn’t figure it out.

by hollycrat on Sep 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Bad Rule Worse Execution

Sure the rule may be bad because to the eyes that was a catch but the blame goes to Johnson for being unable to wait 2 seconds to celebrate. I am glad to see that I’m not the only one who thinks that.

I think the key to the game will be whether the Bears OL can protect Cutler, if they can I see a long day coming for the Pack D.

by Wisfan on Sep 23, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd love to see Raji muscle his way through the line for a sack or two...

Clay Matthews, though, needs some help. The Bears are probably going to double team him (which means no 5-wide sets unless they WANT Jay to eat turf), so…bring other guys from the edge and drop Woodson back to stymie whoever he winds up with.

Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 23, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Martz

typically likes 7 step drops, doesn’t want to do a lot of protection schemes, etc. That doesn’t typically bode well for Cutler’s long term health.

by gern blanston on Sep 23, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Though in the last 3 quarters of the Dallas game,

Martz went to quick hitters for the most part. Cutler was getting ROCKED in the first quarter, and didn’t look like he would make it out of the half without an ambulance.

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by fliphawk4 on Sep 23, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s ok if they double Clay. I like the thought of Jenkins and Raji both only facing one guy. Seems like one of them will beat their guy the majority of the time.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

celebrating sucks!

I always hear on TV how us fans just looove all the celebrating. I, for one, am totally sick of it. Even if it’s the Packers, from Rodger’s Lambeau Lame to Nick Barnett’s martial arts posturing every time he tackles someone for a less than 5 yard gain.

I liked Barry Sanders, just give the ball back to officials and run off the field without all the bs.

by Egbert Souse on Sep 23, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t get into the celebrations a ton but I say let the guys enjoy themselves out there. What harm is there??

by TrevorR on Sep 23, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, you could lose the game on a questionable catch rule.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 24, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

This ^

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 24, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

the sole exception

is the Lambeau Leap. I really like that one because it’s not about show boating. It’s about being with the fans that ultimately pay their game checks.

by gern blanston on Sep 24, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

eh…celebrating is celebrating. Either you like it or you don’t. if you start trying to pick some that are okay and some that aren’t its just going to show bias.

I just want guys to reserve it for REALLY big plays. TDs, safeties, sacks or stuffed runs on 3rd and short, etc. Do it when it really means something…I get sick of a guy making a tackle and doing some stupid dance or crawling on the ground cause he made a tackle.

by TrevorR on Sep 27, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

From The Onion

Players must catch the ball with the NFL Logo right side up and facing the cameras in order for the reception to be ruled complete.

another: balls are to be spotted short for the Lions until a majority of officials on the field dertmine it’s no longer funyy, at which point the Lions automatically forfeit.

the title of the article is called: Drew Brees casually wonders aloud if he could really get away with murder in this town.

by gern blanston on Sep 23, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I liked the one were referees complain about the number of commercials in review booths

and tom bradys slow mo walk from an exploding car

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by blackoutsox on Sep 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also,

If an opposing defensive lineman touches Tom Brady about the time he throws the ball, it’s automatically roughing the passer.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 23, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's only against the Ravens LB corps.

It’s dumb, but the last phrase people want to hear is “Starting QB was lost for the rest of the season with a torn ACL suffered on a late hit”. Isn’t that the Kimo von Oelhoffen clause?

Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 24, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was great that the Bears won against the Cowboys last week in the sense that every time the Cowboys lose, an angel gets its wings, but other than that, these Bears are only a little bit better than last year. That offensive line is going to crumble like soft cheese and one of their main offensive weapons in Olsen is going to be handcuffed by having to protect Cutler.

I think Devin Aromashedu is going to have a great game for them and that can only mean Knox and Hester will have pretty long days. Matt Forte is going to carry them.

The real matchup is the Bears D vs. the Pack’s O. It isn’t a matter of stopping Rodgers from executing some great plays (they won’t), it’ll be a matter of containing him enough that they can hope to keep it close.

Since Lovie loves to prep for the Packers, I think this one will be tight for three quarters, but the bottom line is if the left don’t catch you, the right will and they simply can’t cover Jennings, Driver, Finley, Jones and Nelson and not let Brandon Jackson have a breakout game at the same time.

Packers 34 Bears 20

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by AdamA on Sep 24, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

…if Aromashedu even plays. He only played one snap last week.

by TrevorR on Sep 24, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he's not considered a high option

The formula is: if Cutler can’t get it to Hester or Knox, Aromashedu benefits from the passing game. The real dangerous guy whom I hope gets all of Woodson’s attention is Knox. Hester is fast, but he still drops a lot of good stuff.

The key is to keep the pressure on Cutler to keep Olsen from being able to run routes. When the Bears were able to give Cutler even a little bit of time, it freed Olsen up and he scored.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Sep 24, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gonna be a great game

Bears win this game, sorry guys, but the Bears a back and better than ever. This defense is turning into the Monsters of the Midway again, and add that to an offense that will spread the ball around, so the opponent doesn’t know who to cover, and that spells trouble for a lot of teams. The Bears are going to shut the mouths of all the experts, and serve them a great big piece of humble pie.

What were they thinking?

by touchdown bears on Sep 25, 2010 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

The defense is turning into the monsters of the midway? The 1940 and 1985 bears just called and are revoking your fan card. DUDE your team is giving up 17 points and almost 300 yds a game. You have 2 sacks and 2 INTs…lets just go too crazy here. This Bears D is NOTHING like the early 40’s or mid 80’s Bears D. Yikes.

by TrevorR on Sep 27, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

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