On Bryan Bulaga, Vincent Jackson, and Shaun Hill
by Brandon on Sep 23, 2010 7:01 AM CDT
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Print- I was asked in the comments about LT Bryan Bulaga's performance last week, and I realized I hadn't been paying attention to him. The Bills do not have a fearsome pass rush, so I wasn't watching him take on a great pass rusher. Maybe it's a good thing that I hadn't noticed him because I usually only notice lineman when they commit a penalty or miss a block. According to the Journal-Sentinel, former GM Ron Wolf had been watching Bulaga during the Bills game and said he "had a nice game, really nice game."
- And so ends the Vikings pursuit of WR Vincent Jackson. The Vikings apparently offered a 2nd round pick, but the Chargers decided it wasn't good enough. I'm not exactly sure why the Chargers were shopping him, but I don't think they ever wanted to trade him. They certainly could use him. The Chargers offense stalled in their comeback attempt against the Chiefs in week 1 because they lacked a 2nd receiver who could've made them pay for double covering TE Antonio Gates.
- The Lions are entering week 2 of the QB Shaun Hill era. It's been announced that Hill will start at least one more week, while QB Matthew Stafford's injured shoulder heals. The Lions offense could have some big play potential, but not if Hill is unable to throw the ball further than 7 yards downfield.
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Chargers & Jackson
The Chargers were shopping Jackson because they don’t want to pay him what he thinks he deserves.
The Chargers weren’t willing to bend on Jackson’s trade value because AJ Smith, their GM, is an obstinate douchenozzle.
[And yes, I do have Jackson on my keeper fantasy league team.]
Besides being a douchenozzle...
…he looked at what Denver got for Marshall and assumed that he should get the same for Jackson.
Wait a minute..
If Jackson wants to get paid like a top of the league reciever, why should the Chargers take less than a second round pick? You can’t have it both ways.
Jackson hasn’t exactly been a model citizen. Maybe Smith is cutting his nose to spite his face, but if the Chargers make Jackson sit all season it will be because he deserves it.
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Exactly. VJax wanted Brandon Marshall money
So AJ basically said "If you think you’re worth Brandon Marshall money, then surely a team will give us Brandon Marshall trade value for you." (Which was two second round picks) Basically it is AJ’s smartass way of showing VJax he isn’t worth what he thinks he’s worth.
by Puddleglumed on Sep 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
So what?
I don’t see the problem…other than possibly hurting the Chargers because they won’t get anything in return for Jackson. But do you know who’s problem that is? Smith’s. If he wants to make his job harder then more power to him. It’s not douschey, he’s just trying to get the value he thinks is appropriate.
by PackApologist on Sep 23, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This is about signaling and reputation
Major corporations do this all the time in that they are often willing to pay more to fight a court case than it would cost them to settle. This shows people that would think about suing him in the future that they are going to have spend a lot of money fighting it and only bring the suit if they are very sure they will win. In this case Smith shows not to F with him and hold out. Smith loses on jackson but he gains if players in the future decide not to hold out or try to renegotiate a contract a la revis.
not to belabor the point, but
AJ “Douchenozzle” Smith has very little to worry about if his concern is maintaining his reputation as a hardass. AJ Smith was one of the primary reasons that Eli Manning didn’t want to sign with the Chargers when they drafted him (his dad Archie once quipped that Smith wasn’t know as “Lord of the No Rings” for nothing).
In fact, it’s that kind of reputation that might actually be detrimental since players might see an AJ Smith team as a less desirable FA destination.
But hey, he won. Yippee for AJ, boo for my fantasy team. ;-)
I don't buy it...
AJ Smith had been with the Chargers for ONE year when Eli came around. He came into his position in April of 2003 when the Chargers were a terrible team 4-12. Then the draft came that Eli was in. AJ wouldn’t have had that kind of reputation yet and hadn’t been there long enough to earn that reputation unless it was billed back to his time with the Bills (he was there during the “glory years”).
Eli didn’t want to go there cause Brees was starting to show something and he was afraid of not being able to beat him out for the job. That is my take. I think the market played into it too, he wanted endorsements and the extra money on the side…lets not pretend the destination didn’t come into play! I think AJ came out amazingly in that deal. They got Rivers along with a 3rd that same year, and then a first and fifth the next year!! I mean are you KIDDING me??
Who cares if FA consider it a less than desireable place. If you keep winning and having a good team, players will come. If you draft well, you don’t need them!
point taken, however...
Marshall got a multi-year deal in Miami, and Jackson was looking at a 1 year deal. The ‘queens apparently were willing to toss in a conditional pick on top of the 2nd rounder if he signed an extension, but apparently that wasn’t good enough for said douchenozzle.
Not saying that Jackson wasn’t drinking his own Kool-Aid (did I just coin a euphemism?) on how big of a contract he “deserved,” but the Chargers insisting on framing it as a straight-up comparison with the Marshall deal was nothing more than something for AJ Smith to hide behind instead of coming out and saying it was personal instead of business.
No argument from me about
AJ’s nouchnozzleness. I think he’s right about VJax not being worth the money, but it’s hard to justify him not making the trade with the Vikes (assuming the reported terms were true).
by Puddleglumed on Sep 23, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
the conditional pick
was in 2012. I think that was really more the sticking point.
by gern blanston on Sep 23, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually Jackson wants a multi year deal at about 10 mill a year but the Vikings weren’t willing to give that to him so then all he wanted was one year.
that was the conditional pick
the conditional pick was contingent upon a long term deal getting worked out. From what I’ve heard, it never progressed that far. Plus the conditional pick was a year later than AJ Smith wanted it.
to me, it’s somewhat the same as with Buffalo. You’ve got a guy that’s obviously not in your plans. You may as well get something for his departure rather than the conditional pick. The gotcha is at least Lynch is on the active roster and provides depth. VJ is not even under contract.
by gern blanston on Sep 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The Chargers will (theoretically) get a compensation pick
for losing Jackson to free agency. Of course that depends on the new collective bargaining agreement to be similar to the current one and that Jackson doesn’t intentionally screw them over by taking a very low salary in the first year of his contract to make sure they don’t get a very high pick. So they wouldn’t lose him for nothing. That being said, they would have certainly gotten more by making this trade.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
wrong word
I meant compensatory but typed conditional.
by gern blanston on Sep 23, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
All the stories I've read
say that it’s based on the value of their contract they sign
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
That's kind of a grey area to me
Someone signs one of our free agents then your left wondering what you will get for compensation. I would imagine we should get a 3rd for Kampman but as far as I know there are no set parameters for the compensation or we would already know what we are recieving
VJax wanted Brandon Marshall money
So AJ basically said “If you think you’re worth Brandon Marshall money, then surely a team will give us Brandon Marshall trade value for you.” (Which was two second round picks) Basically it is AJ’s smartass way of showing VJax he isn’t worth what he thinks he’s worth.
Dang it
I keep starting new threads when I think I am replying to an existing one.
by Puddleglumed on Sep 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Worse things have been known to happen...
Such as DUIs? Smart move, BRAYLON EDWARDS…
Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 23, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
We're lucky there wasn't a Dante Stallworth incident...
I’ve lost quite a bit of my remaining respect for Braylon Edwards…
Maybe Koa Misi and Jared Odrick would be Patriots if Bill Parcells wasn't Comedic.Sans's father...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 23, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
'Queens fans split on the trade
On the Daily Norseman, I’d say about 30-40% of the posters claim to be happy that the trade wasn’t made, with at least one likening it to the Herschal Walker trade with Dallas.
That site is fun to read
Their anguish is entertaining. Most of their readers were SCREAMING for Jackson after the Miami debacle. Now that they didn’t get him, it was a “good move” by most.
Just like
Most wanted Chilly’s head on a stake after 2008, then they were joyous that he was signed to an extension in 2009…
That’s the one I don’t get. I think some realize he got that extension primarily because of Favre but not all do. Yes, his record has improved every year but so has his roster. I’d strongly argue that their team would be just as good without him as the coach.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
chilly
he does nothing to make that team better IMO. I might argue that he is the one keeping them from going futher than they have.
I've said for years
that as a Packers fan, I LOVE having Mr. Noodle as coach of the Vikes. He’s like when Dave Wannestadt was coach of the Bears. (Mr. Noodle has a more talented roster than Dave did, however.)
The first game he had AP, the Vikes could have KILLED us if he kept feeding him the ball. That he didn’t was inexplicable to me.
by gern blanston on Sep 24, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He never really does. They could run Peterson 25-30 times and they’d be almost impossible to beat. But for some reason, Chilly always wants to get away from it and go to the pass game. It really is inexplicable.
by packallday555 on Sep 25, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
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