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Packers Game Ball: Packers Lose To The Bears, 20-17

We committed how many penalties? Please tell me that's not a record.

There were plenty of anti-game balls to hand out to whoever played or coached on special teams, and took part in committing 17 penalties (including 2 INTs that were overturned by penalties). But the Green Bay Packers still did enough to beat the Bears, and someone deserves a game ball.

Though I won't be able to nominate anyone on special teams for a game ball, I've only chosen two players (I think) that committed a penalty. 

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Who was the game MVP for the Packers 20-17 loss to the Bears?
Aaron Rodgers
749 votes
Jermichael Finley
164 votes
Tramon Williams
21 votes
Charles Woodson
21 votes

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But we had a touchdown on that drive

Finley in locker room, Rodgers runs for TD

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 27, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really bummed for Quarless that he didn’t make that catch. That could have been the kind of momentum builder for him. Now his confidence is probably even more shaken!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was a thoroughly infuriating game. Even though the Bears did very little to win, you can’t expect to win a game where you have 17 penalties. Jay Cutler can still suck it, by the way. What an asshole.

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by rhys on Sep 27, 2010 11:02 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I don't know

Jay was pretty disciplined and was pretty restrained about the whole pouty face thing despite being hammered by the Packers 3-4.

That whole Aaron Rodgers crotch thrust TD celebration thing was kind of weird though after he ran it in…it seemed more like something TO or Randy Moss (when he was a Viking) would do. Kind of weird for Rodgers…who I thought had a more Tom Brady like temperment.

by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Sep 28, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes, and quite unfortunate too, its like hes forcing it

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t get the belt thing…what is it supposed to mean?

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a Title Belt

Like he’s the Champion. Watch some UFC or WWE or even Boxing. It’s the universal sign for “That Championship belt is MINE!”

"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas

by Troy J. on Sep 28, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about disciplined

He threw 3 interceptions, only one of them stuck. Penalties erased the other two.

"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas

by Troy J. on Sep 28, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you call a Hail Mary

“Undisciplined”? That a pretty high percentage INT pass, no matter who is throwing it. And how often is it really completed anyway, even if it’s not intercepted?

by bluejazz04 on Sep 28, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus two more that were dropped...

Collins had one, and Bishop (?) the other

by HankO on Sep 28, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas

by Troy J. on Sep 28, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barnett had it

looked like a pretty decent catch, too

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s right, thanks

by HankO on Sep 28, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jay was disciplined

because he didn’t freak out like Philip Rivers after some of the shots he took (especially the helmet to helmet hit).

As for the ints…his first one was unforgiveable…but the others were meh. I mean if you’re the QB and you are seeing your WRs get harrassed (or at least getting favorable calls) why not at least throw it up and get that “free play.” It’s a gamble, but when you are playing a division rival and Superbowl favorite; I applaud the Bears for doing some crazy $H!t. Like benching Tommie Harris, substituting Bowman, etc.

by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Sep 28, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold on,

Cutler made a few nice passes (particularly that great pass to Olson on the last drive), but overall he was at best mediocre.

Anyone who has 2 INTs called back on penalties, threw one awful INT, and had one terrible pass intercepted late in the game that he was fortunate enough to have nullified by Burnett’s interference with Bennett, was not, by any stretch of the imagination, “pretty disciplined”.

by 400metres on Sep 28, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interceptions

Nullified by obvious pass interference calls really don’t count, IMHO. If a guy gets called for interference to facilitate the pick, then it’s kind of a moot point.

I am not saying Cutler even had a great game (or even a good game), it’s just if the Pack want to claim a pick, it has to be a CLEAN pick.

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really though. I mean all he’s doing on those plays is throwing the ball up in the air. Any time we brought pressure on him, he panicked and made a bad throw. He was just fortunate that most of them were negated by stupid penalties. I think he still showed that he’s prone to bad mistakes.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not arguing

But by the same token, it also shows that the Pack D is prone to bad mistakes as well.

A lot of those penalties were FORCED errors, but some of them were just stupid.

Stuff like holding Peppers, if it happens, you can at least understand. Offsides? Not so much. Throwing a WWF body slam into a guy after the whistle has blown? Not so much.

Two of the “picks” had obvious pass interference on them, that’s all I was saying.

To me, it makes about as much sense to hold those against a guy as it makes to hold Roger’s end-of-the-half pick against him… none. I give Rogers some cred, he threw that ball where it could be caught by somebody… QB’s HATE that play, isn’t it funnny how many times that ball drifts just outside the back of the end zone where a pick can’t be charged against a guy. Come contract time, that pick counts against Rogers even though it was TOTALLY not his fault.

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I totally agree with everything you just said haha.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not so obvious

Perhaps I’m too much of a homer, but it looked to me like Burnett had his head turned back around. With that, they’re NOT supposed to call PI on the Defense. In fact, IF you can agree that his head was turned, then it’s offensive pass interference.

Collins pick had nothing to do with the penalty. He showed great range in making that play.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay,

but even if you take away that awful pass thrown up for grabs from the evidence that Cutler was anything but “disciplined” (which I won’t, but for argument’s sake), what about the 3 other INTS, not to mention the one that was dropped (which I forgot).

So, to be clear, if not for stupid penalties and dropped INTs, Cutler could have ended last night’s game 5 picks. But you still think he was “disciplined”?

I agree the PI is arguable and would personally side with it being a good call because Burnett ran through Bennett, but that still was precipitated by a really awful pass for the context of the game – i.e., the Bears are down by 3 and likely on their final drive of the game, Cutler is flushed and just threw it up for grabs but was fortunate enough to have Burnett do something stupid. How does this not counter your point that Cutler was “disciplined”?

by 400metres on Sep 28, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bennett/Burnett

I think it should also be noted that the last flag was absolute garbage. That was offensive pass interference all the way. Should’ve been a pick.

by zsxander567 on Sep 28, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally Undisciplined!

It reminds me of last year when we lead the league in penalties or close to it. What a waste. Two turnovers negated by penalties and McCarthy let himself get out coached by Lovie Smith!!! Did he honestly think we could block the FG of 20 yards???? Let them score and at least give Rodgers a shot!!!

Possibly the most pathetic performance I have seen in some time by the Packers! We have to fix the running game. We can not keep running like we have. Time to make a trade or get the offensive line in gear. I can’t see any holes for Jackson to run thru. Bu maybe he isn’t hitting them fast enough.

We need to play more disciplined. I am so angry I can barely type…….

by mtpackfan on Sep 27, 2010 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Its ok that you don't see the holes

jackson doesnt see them when they’re present

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jackson is totally missing the cutback holes that are there. He run out to the outside and never makes any sharp cutbacks like a back in our system is supposed to be able to do. I will say the Bears D was very tough against the run but there was more there than Jackson got…quite a bit more.

What I’ve learned is that he can’t run inside and he doesn’t have the vision to hit the cutback holes that are there on the outside.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

and he has no burst. Grant could atleast hit the holes hard and kick it up another gear.

by chewie on Sep 28, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

How can you put Woodson on there?

He gave up a huge pass to knox, dropped a pick, and had a PI penalty

by justinlewis on Sep 27, 2010 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah he had a few nice plays and some really rough ones. There were other guys that were more deserving than Woodson.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably why he only has 1%

Who else can you put on there? Slim pickings

"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas

by Troy J. on Sep 28, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not a great game from him.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Woodson played well.

He was active around the ball and made tackles. He even had a few pressures on Jay.

I think he was a big contributor.

Semper Fi
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Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was good in that aspect but struggled a bit in coverage which is where we need him most.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can take

being beaten by pretty much anyone unless it’s ourselves. You can imagine what an incandecent ball of rage I am right now.

If I knew who to invoice for the day I’ve taken off tomorrow it’d be in the post before 6 this morning (that’s less than an hour away).

by rudi on Sep 27, 2010 11:06 PM CDT reply actions  

That was the most I’ve sworn during a Packer game in a LONG time. My wife even commented on it cause I rarely swear. SO frustrating!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can't win games with 17 penalties

Tha’ts a given. We squarly lost this game ourselves. We only had 3 penalties in the first 2 games, so I believe (even knowing of the issues the past couple years) we can and will rebound from this. We know Chicago is beatable, because we outplayed them. Lets keep in mind this was a loss on the road, in their house, and we lost it ourselves. We can’t say there’s a better team than us right now. I firmly believe we are a better team then Chicago. The next game is @ Lambeau. It’s our HOUSE! Hopefully the team remembers this game, and remember is clearly that they lost this game on their own. The season isn’t over, you win some, you lose some. We lost on the road, to a good team, with 17 penalties.

"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi

by Jabooty on Sep 27, 2010 11:06 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If I hear one person talk about how this team is still going to win the Super Bowl this week

I’m going to lose it.

It’s certainly a possible outcome of this season, but I doubt there’s ever been a team that was undisciplined enough to commit 17 penalties in one game that went on to win the Super Bowl. Just sayin’

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 27, 2010 11:08 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I doubt theres many teams

undisciplined enough to get 17 penalties in one game alone

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Ravens are like that every year

and they have been contenders for the last few

by justinlewis on Sep 27, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep drinkin the kool aid

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 27, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   3 recs

relax, its only the third game

McCarthy tends to have his teams improve on fundamentals and penaties as the season goes on. Its unfortuanate they cant start the season that way though.

The Bears were given that game in every way possible and barely won on a last second FG.

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by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why can't those improvement on fundamentals and penalties carry over year from year?

I mean, after this long, the core group of players should be fundamentally sound, right?

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember Tampa Bay

Best thing to ever happen to the 2009 Packers.

"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas

by Troy J. on Sep 28, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

woosh

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know, Im not really sure

its just an observation that seems to carry out

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had a feeling about this game all day

I think you have a good point here. While watching the game, all I kept thinking is “are they starting to believe they’re own press”. Way to much talk about the super bowl when we are just starting the season. Yes we did shot our selfs, but give credit where credit is due, Bears took advantage of the mistakes we made, and won the game. Good game Bears, I feel a different outcome next meeting.

by ShawnH on Sep 28, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen

And don’t worry about losing the Superbowl just yet. It’s a very young team, starting three rookies on defense. They just need to learn from this is all.

I strongly agree with the “believing their own press” thought. And the press was just drooling over them. …that article in the JS about how Matthews is redefining the linebacker position… barf.

by Curly Lambeau on Sep 28, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe off topic

but we’ve seen flashes of potential from the special teams unit… can we start to call for an end to the Shawn Slocum era and get a real ST coach and see what we can do?

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

I agree… Time to get a real Special teams coach…… And while we are at it…Spend some money on a decent punter.

by mtpackfan on Sep 27, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our punter was not the problem on ST

He had one bad punt (that ugly line drive), but made a tackle on the play I bet 90% of NFL punters can’t make. Our coverage was miserable. And don’t get me started on how Hester’s TD was aided by holding that wasn’t called.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Masthay was up and down

The ginger had some nice punts like that 50 yarder, but then he had that line drive to Devin Hester that set up a Bears touchdown before halftime.

But you’re right the ST coverage was terrible.

by chewie on Sep 28, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that hold too

I was screaming at the TV.

speaking of holds, I saw a bunch of times where CM was held. Don’t think it was called once. Instead, I kept having smoke blown up my @$$ from Gruden et al about how great Julius Peppers is. I was completely expecting us to run over them in the 4th because they HAD to be tired. Then Jones loses ANOTHER game in Chicago due to fumbling. Bah…..

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, the Packers got away with several holds of Peppers during the game

at least they were fairly consistent no-calls

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, same but at the same time Peppers was held quite a bit too. It did seem like more holding calls went Chicago’s way but I’m sure there was reason for that.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

fine...ruin it for me

by throwing an objective look at it. Yes, I am sure it went both ways, yet the discrepancy was just way too big for my tastes.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand it for sure. The hold on Tauscher that negated our Td was awfully soft but there’s nothing we can do about it.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow thanks for reminding me about 2007

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

ST is horrible...

Jordy Nelson isnt our best return option and I ABSOLUTLY LOVED when we decided to punt to hester again after our punter shoe stringed him the first time…C’mon that was the stupidest thing i’ve seen in a long time….Not to mention the return team took their sweet ass time getting down field just to not stay in their lanes…

by SpaceGhost34 on Sep 28, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just curious

who is our best return option then?

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nelson is just fine. When the holes are there, he finds them. He had another 40 yard return last night right? The problem isn’t him, it’s our blocking.

Really, I think our return game is the only good aspect of our special teams. You could complain about everything else but not so much returns in my opinion.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely not Woodson. He’s too important on defense.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh? the punter had a decent game. He had one AWFUL punt and a couple HUGE punts (long was 58 yards). Overall it wasn’t a terrible game for him. He also saved the day on his awful punt with a GREAT tackle. for a first year kid, I’ve seen worse games than that.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man I feel for you guys

We lost a heart breaker too against Atlanta. Terrible defense, 200 rushing yds allowed, TOP 45 mins for Atl, 27 for us. 3 turnovers and couldn’t defend on 3rd down. And chip shot missed FG.

     Keep your heads up and play well next week. You still have a great team!

by Jricky70 on Sep 27, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

that missed FG was mind boggling. I thought Brees was going to go Manning on him (remember when he went OFF on Vanderjagt)!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't win

When you have 18+ penalties, allow a punt return for a TD and have a chip shot FG blocked on ST… You just can’t win that way!!! Bares bearly won even w/ all that. What an crappy game by the Packers… Bares win Packers lose, BUT… They still have to come to Lambeau!!! If they win in GB, they deserve the division… But that hasn’t happened…

by Strohman on Sep 27, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

It was only 17

unless you count the 2 forward passes on the last kickoff

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

If you mean on the last INT

I still dont see the def PI… maybe off since he had to ya know… run through Morgan to even have a chance at getting to the ball

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Associated Press Article

states that “Burnett basically hammered him.” Now, maybe it was a penalty, maybe it wasn’t. It can reasonably be argued either way. But Burnett certainly did not “hammer” Bennett on the play. That’s the common “The-NFL-is-always-right” cheerleading by the media that really bothers me. Not as egregious as the call that went against Detroit, however.

by I voted for Kodos on Sep 28, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a clear hold.

It was a clear example of a young player panicking with the ball in the air on a BIG possession.

What he should have done was play the pocket between the WR’s arms. If you grab and hold it will always be called. Bennett was unable to get his arms around and that’s what the ref saw.

Rookie mistake. He will learn from it.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was actually in really good position. He just had his hands completely wrapped around Bennett, and though Bennett had his hands on him too, the refs are gonna call that on the defensive player every time.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but..

Some of those were false starts on the half-yard-line that didn’t do anything to hurt them.

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The yards may not matter

but I A. dont want penalties at/in the endzone, and B. it still shows a complete lack of discipline and sloppyness on our part

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually..

When you’re on the road in the endzone with thousands of fans screaming at you to where you can’t hear the snap count, and Julius Peppers is lining up on the opposite side… it’s not a lack of discipline and sloppyness.

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was amazingly fitting that the game ended with a penalty. I just kept yelling at them to just kneel down and get this embarrassment over with. There were like 12 penalties on the last play alone!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Bears should've absolutly murdered the Packers

17 penalties for them, almost as many penalty yards for them as Cutler has passing yards, winning turnover ratio, blocked field goal, a defense that almost forced a fumble on every tackle in the 4th quarter until they did, roughing the passer call in their favor, Packers dropping endzone passes, ecetra.

Enjoy it while it lasts Bears.

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by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2010 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

I am still not sold that the bears are an elite team. They ARE a good team though and trending toward a very good team. They have a lot of room to grow but sadly I think Martz might be good for them.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was no need...

The Packers were already murdering the Packers…

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a great game against a old rival.

You are right— penalties killed the Packers.

But, there was a reason for the penalties and I think even the most “hardened” Packers fan would have to concede that the Julius Peppers effect was real on the Packers offensive line.

Also, the FG block (by Peppers), the Hester return, then the Urlacher strip with Jennings recovery was all very huge and a “team effort”.

You have to tip your cap to the team.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of people are saying this game reflects poorly on the Bears overall

which it does. A good team would have murdered the Packers when they made all those kinds of mistakes.

However, I’m concerned that this season will be marred by poor special teams play, lack of a running game, and penalties. All of those demons came out tonight, and simply put, you don’t get anywhere near the Lombardi Trophy losing 1 of the 3 facets of the game + being undisciplined + being one dimensional in one of the other 2 facets of the game.

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 27, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's hope

that we get rid of this “swagger” everyone says we have… it hasn’t done us jack this year so far except lose us 1 game and almost cost us another.

We realize we need a 1st and 2nd down back… Kuhn’s great for third and shorts, Jackson is great for 3rd and mediums where we need a blocker and someone to catch out of the backfield… don’t want either for 1st and 2nd.

and finally, that slocum needs to be gone

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell that to the Saints and Indy...

They were in the SB w/ almost as bad of ST as the Packers last year!

by Strohman on Sep 27, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know its possible

to succeed w/o a solid running game or good special teams. But wouldn’t it be better to have them… just in case we need them?

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

A solid running game will only help the passing game. The Bears were dropping back into coverage a lot, they didn’t respect our running attack (nor should they). That took a lot of the deep routes away. I was surprised we didn’t test that secondary more and take more shots downfield. Especially the one instance when the safety Chris Harris went out.

A better running game would have opened up the pass offense more.

by chewie on Sep 28, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

THIS team is not going anywhere playing like this

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

The NFC as a whole looks pretty shoddy

The Bears havn’t really put a hurt on anyone, every one of there wins are by 7 or fewer points, Tampa Bay is a division leader, the West is garbage as always, and the East is all over the place.

"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas

by Troy J. on Sep 28, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Still doesn't mean anything to me.

We need to take care of our own business and stop measuring our suckitude against other teams. I guarantee you, if we don’t suck, we will win games.

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

at the moment it is the nature of this team to underachieve and play down to the level of their opponents.

We should be KILLIN FOOLS.

by chewie on Sep 28, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

They weren’t as penalized as us though. And they have better running games than we do and their running games aren’t even THAT great so that says a LOT.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, on the "bright" side..

That was still a close game. Not many teams can be good enough to commit that many penalties and still only lose by 3 points.

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Fine then.
That was still a close game. Not many teams keep a game that close when they commit that many penalties.

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

I thought there was some decent play by Shields, Burnett, and Zombo. Sure there were mistakes (and some at costly periods in the game), but they held up pretty well. I mean it’s not like Shields was repeatedly picked on, or they consistently gained great yardage running at Zombo.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shields is looking like he’s gonna pan out. He’s still really, really raw. He got beat a couple of times but you’d have to think Chicago was trying to target him quite a bit, and it didn’t seem like he allowed that much. Must mean that he was doing a pretty good job. I thought Burnett got picked on a bit. He didn’t come up fast enough on some of those dig routes but that’s something he’ll likely learn sooner or later.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take the sooner please

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys don't click the panic button...

For having played the “worst game in zomg history” and yet, on the road, at Chicago, the “last undefeated team in the NFC”…..and we lose by just 3? I am not panicking….yet.

Special teams, I agree with most here. That IS a concern.

But our offense? Our Defense? No, I am not panicking. The Zombo penalty, helmet to the face, was aggressive. Even the Collins penalty (personal foul) was an aggressive foul, he was going for the strip, etc.

Oh one last concern, Julius Peppers made BOTH of our tackles look old, but Peppers played like an absolute freak…

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:26 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

thank you.

and thats true on Peppers, when he decides to play, his team will more or less win.

unfortunatly thats only 5 games a season

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by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's funny how both of us had the same point...

And one of us got a Negative Nancy and you get an Agreeable Adam (I just made that up on the spot, by the way.)

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you wore them out above...

and they were too tired to answer me. Thanks for diverting them from me haha

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, the Collins penalty was inexcusable

The ref was 5 feet behind him, blew the whistle, and he piledrove the guy into the ground. That’s not aggressive, that’s called being an idiot.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

The frustrating thing is that his momentum wasn’t really even stopped, he never went on the ground. But yeah you HAVE to learn to stop when the whistle is blown. They were raping him out there on the field and the refs were blowing the whistle and running over to break it up. I think the refs were a little premature blowing the whistle though (not excusing them for what they did though).

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That might be the worst performance out of two veteran starting tackles I’ve ever seen. They were completely outmatched by Peppers. He was in total beastmode.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

The moment of the game that completly killed us

was Clifton getting a false start (or holding, but I think it was a false start) in the 2nd quarter. We were up 7 or 10 to 0 and we were driving hard and fast, about ready to really begin to run away with it. That penalty just sucked the life out the the offense. I effing hate undisciplined football.

I always loved that one.

by FoulJack on Sep 27, 2010 11:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it's hard to pick the ONE moment

Theres that one, the Hester TD, the other Hester return, the blocked FG, the several turnover’s called back…

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Either one of those plays was a game-changer. Take away hester’s return, or his other big return. We had a TD called back on a penaly, missed FG. Blocked FG.(10-13 pts). Yes, this was only 1 game, but come playoff time, 1 game can be huge and we shoulda had this 1.

by bigbill992001 on Sep 27, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's it right there.

You allow Devin Hester to get his punt return mojo back back with that first return since it was just Masthay in front of him. It gave him the confidence for the other one. I have a feeling he might have one or two more in him this year. Just a frustrating frustrating game.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Sep 28, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I think it's a bit unfair to say that the "Packers beat themselves".

The Bears played well and made plays when they needed to.

Good game and I’m sure you guys will be fired up in week 17.

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PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it was like one play, then yes. But you maybe have forgotten how many first downs and negated big plays occurred.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I remember.

Those certainly didn’t help the Packers cause.

— But, the Bears SP/Ts had a blocked FG that could have been a big difference in the way the game shaped out.

— A returned punt by Devin Hester that changed the whole tone of the crowd and put the momentum back in the Bears possession after a HUGE 4 down stop by the Packers defense.

— A big turnover by Urlacher that led to a huge recovery by Tim Jennings that led to a game winning FG.

… Even a majority of the penalties were all about the OL of the Packers concern about where Peppers was at on the line.

Those were all Bears “making plays”; not the Packers shooting themselves in the foot.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would argue the special teams plays are us shooting ourselves in the foot

the blocked field goal and the horrendous kick and punt coverage just shouldn’t happen. Not to take away from the fact that the Bears still have to execute, but it just shouldn’t happen.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus

the blocked FG was a result of a holding penalty 2 plays earlier

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And even that penalty in itself wasn’t really needed. Tauscher was actually in pretty good position on that play. Just a lot of stupid mental mistakes.

by packallday555 on Sep 29, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It always happens to us. I told my buddy right after Tauscher got that holding call that we’d end up with no points, and that the Bears would drive down and score, and sure enough, they did. It’s just too easy now. It’s been the same thing for the last three years.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought there were several - not just one

Colledge’s hold was the difference between 7 and 3

The hold by (?) that took 7 points off the board. That was the drive that the FG was blocked. Two plays earlier was caught in the end zone

of course the punt return for a TD. That looked like a good kick to me – just crappy coverage.

then of course the 2 personal fouls that gave them a TD just before half (am I remembering that sequence correctly?)

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

See what happens...

When you have no f**king running game? TT better find a way to get Lynch, like now damnit!

"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

Vince Lombardi

by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Not buying it...

Bears leading rusher was…Cutler with 30 something yards. The Colts in their convincing win against Denver? Donald Brown with 29 yards. in 2007, when we started at 8-1? We had the 2nd worst rushing game, right behind KC (I think)

Different league now. Our problems are with special teams and outside tackles.

As one guy pointed out, dump passes to our RB are our “running plays”

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But thats because we lack a good running back

Imagine what we could do if we were more balanced and they D had to respect an actual running threat

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine what they could do if they didn’t commit over a dozen penalties.

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are correct, Goldernarmadillo. Kinda like last year and the beginning of this year. Some fans always wanted to speak ill of Grant. How worthless as an NFL running back he was, they would say. I knew he was, for the most part, solid. We have NONE of that now. TT better step up and fork over that second rounder already! YEAH!

"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

Vince Lombardi

by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

not buying it

Teams don’t win championship with running games like this. This is as bad as it gets…if we want to have super bowl aspirations, we cannot proceed like this. We couldn’t even run in the goal line cause our backs are completely ineffective. Don’t take the rare exceptions like the colts game and try to use them to excuse pathetic running games like ours.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Rec’ing you for the not panicking! it’s a 18 week season, we will grow from this…

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playoffs?

I’ll spare the Jim Mora. But seriously, it’s week 3. To say that we probably win the division and make the playoffs is a pipe dream for ANY team.

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree…but only if they can clean this stuff up! This is the kind of stuff that derailed us all season alst year. After 2 games I thought it was fixed…we couldn’t get out of our own way yesterday!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

What in the world will it take for Slocum to be fired????

Does he have to shoot McCarthy’s dog or what?

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 27, 2010 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Im all down for him getting kicked out.

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by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

its time for a change

Singletary fired his OC yesterday, I think its time for us to follow. I don’t know who we would bring in right now though…I think the team could run themselves better than this guy has been!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

You lose one game and your looking for major remodeling?

I don’t know Trev you might be over reacting a bit here. The Bears are not a bad team. Division rivals are always tough to beat. You guys had trouble last year with teams that were good at the pass and honestly it looks like Martz knows what he’s doing with that offense. Hate to say it but he could make the Bears into a solid team.

I will say this I will garuntee you all a win when they come to Green Bay and play. Only one who beats you there this year in the division are the Vikes! :D

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 28, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Special Teams play

has plagued us the past few years. I don’t think calling fro the ST coach to be fired after multiple failures season after season is over-rated or really major remodeling

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

True but,

the time for firing Slocum was last offseason, not now. The ST were great the first two games and I didn’t see tons of posts extolling the virtues of Slocum and I think that’s fair for the same reason I wouldn’t blame the coach for that unit’s play last night.

The bottom line was what killed the ST last night was lack of execution.

by 400metres on Sep 28, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do agree…and I eluded to this above, there really isn’t anything out there for us to replace him with. I am sure there aren’t a ton of ST gurus sitting on their couches hoping for a call but something HAS to be done. Sure they looked better in their first two games but maybe the true colors came through.

I want to blame the players but honestly, its been the same lack of execution every year now for a while despite replacing ineffective players. At some point we have to start looking up higher than the players and thinking that maybe, just maybe its a poor gameplan.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well if you did well the first two games then got faced with Hester

I would honestly say it’s Hester. The man is a menace and honestly I was much happier when they stuck him out at WR… Seeinghim returning balls again gives everyone a head ache.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 28, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah thats a part of it…but it wasn’t just the punt returns, it was kick returns too.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Bears SP/Ts have been top 5 in the league for a LONG time.

Credit Dave Toub for his excellence in finding players who can tackle and make blocks to fit his system.

It’s a staple of our team.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this point I'm more willing to blame the players

What new and game changing does a ST coach really bring to the table. All of these guys know how ST works. It is on the players to tackle and not overpursue. That’s instinct, not taught.

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh this is totally not a one game thing. This is years of complete ineptitude. We’ve tried keeping players specifically for their ST playmaking abilities. We’ve tried, changing return guys. We have completely new guys all over that are young and fast yet its the same results year after year…always right at the bottom in special teams. The return game looks slightly improved this year which is encouraging but the other side is embarrassingly bad.

We can’t win when the other team starts every drive on the 40.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

He’s not over reacting. It’s only one loss but all the same mistakes from last season were made once again. McCarthy has proved time and time again that either he doesn’t care about penalties, or that he holds no discipline over the team.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who knows. I’m sure McCarthy would have some excuse as to why he’s still the coach and why he’s actually doing a good job. Just like I’m sure he does for Campen. How the hell is that guy still our offensive line coach?

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im going to exit with this.

We always do better as underdogs. Hopefully this game will put a fire under the team like the Tampa game last year and help them put their shit together. Im still not worried about the season yet.

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by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2010 11:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree...

good point, we rebounded from the Tampa game real well. We can do it here. Our problem is NOT a lack of talent, we are loaded. It was a lack of discipline, even from Vets. I think it will be a learning experience and an exception to the rule.

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't we replace the weak link on the O line after that game?

Maybe we should do that now… but who to replace Cliff or Taush… both kinda stunk it up tonight and we only have 1 tackle of the future atm

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

^that.

"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

Vince Lombardi

by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is why we need a better RB back there!

"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

Vince Lombardi

by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

cart before the horse

I certainly agree that we need a good RB. But I will say this about the line – a good back makes a mediocre line look that much better. A bad RB makes a decent line look poor. I think BJ is just fine as a 3rd down back. He lacks vision, burst and patience to be a featured back.

In other words, if we did have Lynch already, I don’t think anyone would be complaining terribly about the line play – or at least as much. Making Peppers honor the run (which they clearly did not) makes the pass rush that much less effective.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the offensive line really does open up some holes and cutback lanes. I know people like to point out how bad they are as the reason as to why Jackson and Grant (before he was hurt) struggle to run the ball but in my opinion, the line isn’t the problem. It’s the two of them. They both lack vision, quickness, strength, etc. I could go on and on really. Grant’s average and Jackson’s below average.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who do you propose carry the rock? Not worried? With Jackson back there? He might as well be in one of those hoveround commercials!

"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

Vince Lombardi

by CaliSeth on Sep 27, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

its only week 4 now though. Still three more weeks of this at a minimum. Plus he still has to get in game shape and get in line with the offense. PLUS he’s a rookie so who knows if he can even pick up blitz’s and do all the other things we need. I think we are being really optimistic if we think a guy that hasn’t played with the team at all yet is really going to have a huge impact.

Remember I am a HUGE Starks fan.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's an arresting thought

Packers Points – 17
Packers Penalties – 17

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 27, 2010 11:40 PM CDT reply actions  

OHHH creepy

kinda like all those Lincoln Kennedy comparisons… I smell conspiracy

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The penalty yards were the size of Jay Cutler’s INT total total passing yards too.

GAME WAS FIX’D!!!1

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically there were 18 cause of the final play…

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to Greg Bedard...

Woodson not happy about the Burnett penalty. Said it should have a no call because both players were fighting for the ball.

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:42 PM CDT reply actions  

How you see it depends on who you root for...

I think ideally, it should be a no call — I want more physical play. But in this NFL? even if the receiver comes back for the ball, if you grab a hold of him like Burnett did, it’s called 98 out of 100 times pass interference…

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I meant was..

The referee may have seen Burnett fighting for it and the receiver not, and then flew the flag. It’s the same reason the guy who retaliates last gets called for the penalty.

by fanoftheunderdogs on Sep 27, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually it was Burnett

even the bears fan watching with me said it was Burnett initiating all the contact

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by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter...

A pass has equal opportunities!!! Its up for grabs and he WAS looking for the ball… Bad call…

by Strohman on Sep 27, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow, I typed the wrong name

I meant the wide reciever, I agree with you

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by blackoutsox on Sep 27, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's gotta look at the ball though

He turns his head a little bit and who knows what they call. (Most likely still a pass interference. It is the Packers after all.)

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Sep 28, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

borderline questionable call

The receiver has every right to adjust to the underthrown ball, but he doesn’t have a right to run through the defender to get there. If Burnett doesn’t literally plow through the receiver, it’s a non-call. But because Burnett didn’t also adjust, it’s just one of those calls that goes to the offensive player every time.

by swilldog on Sep 28, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah…you are right, it will go to them every time…I don’t know if I agree how the rule is written though.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've been saying it since it happened

How can you call it on the DB when the ball is so poorly thrown that the only way the receiver can get to it is to maul his way over/through the DB?… I’m sure there was some pushing and tugging going on, but it was by both people and the DB had inside position

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if he grabs him though?

and impedes him? That’s kind of how the ref probably saw it

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Burnett was looking back at the ball

and had position on it he was inside the receiver where the ball was thrown. The ball was uncatchable because of Morgan, the receiver would have had to knock him down to get inside position

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

= opportunity

Balls in the air the DB has as much right to it as the offense… Thats the rule! They just don’t call it that way… They call it so more points are scored. Thats all that matters to the NFL!!!

by Strohman on Sep 27, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s an offensive oriented league. I hear what you’re saying, and while I agree Burnett really didn’t do a whole lot wrong (especially since Bennett was engaging with him too) he has to know that, that call is going to go against him every single time.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

If there wasn’t 15 penalties already called on the Packers, I think the refs let that one go.

by HankO on Sep 28, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he had a point. Honestly they were both ALL over each other. I don’t like how much favortism there is toward the offensive player in those situations.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Separate issue...

rodgers was completely 75percent of his passes, had racked up over 300 yards….

Why didn’t we let the bears score once they had 1st and goal with 1:50 to go?

Rodgers would have got the ball back with near 2 minutes and 1 timeout?

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:49 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Because Chicago blocked a FG

so we must be able to as well. not sure why the clock management was so crap… the play calling at the end of the 1st half suck pretty badly too

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I'm going to die...

I want to die with the ball in Rodgers hands. End of story. And McCarthy should that have up in a plaque in his office. Don’t do this again.

by PackFaninFL on Sep 27, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does MM need a contract extension soon?

Maybe he watched some Viking tapes and figured he’d try coaching like Chilly since it got him one

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 27, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Because Mike McCarthy is our head coach.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're talking about that on Chicago Sports radio

That was something that might have worked out in the Packers favor as Rodgers had NO PROBLEM moving the ball down the field last night.

Glad they didn’t.

What was up with the challenge!?

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

McCarthy is like Sherman

he challenges calls he doesn’t like rather than calls he thinks he can win.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wasted a MUCH needed time out.

Especially, considering he had an opportunity to look at the play up top.

He’s not alone though…

… Lovie is statistically one of the worst challenge flag coaches in the NFL for 2 years.

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PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

which is why Lovie out coached him yesterday. I think our game plan was solid and actually worked quite well. Just way too darn many dumb mistakes and penalties.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. reflects poorly on the coaching staff to have that many penalties.

Semper Fi
PREDICTION for 2010-2011 NFL Season: "The England Patriots will finish 8-8 plus or minus 1" ~8/13/10 1230p

Prediction (11:56a 9/27/10): 16-13 Bears
Factor?: Front 7 of the Bears will cause two (2) turnovers that put a kibosh on two effective drives by the Packers.

by ChicagoMarine on Sep 28, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Even more so because we’ve struggled with penalties now for the last three seasons.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very poorly…this issue has plagued McCarthey’s time in GB and its keeping the team from becoming AMAZING.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is why Lovie out coached him

WOW, that’s something you don’t see printed on a computer screen every day.

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

to be more clear

I think McCarthy won the X’s and O’s battle. He definitely lost in game management. I think he’s too busy calling plays to see the forest for the trees.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah it was stupid flag. I don’t know what he was thinking. The replay was clear as could be and he knows he saw it. I think it was a hope and a prayer but that timeout made a HUGE difference!

When the bears got down inside the 5 I kept saying, JUST LET HIM SCORE!! I don’t know why these concepts are so complicated!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He always does that. He’s probably one of the worst challenge coaches in the league.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pass Rush

I follow this website quite a bit but have never posted any comments..so I figured I’d start now..

I was wondering towards the end of the game, why the Packers hadn’t flip flopped Matthews and Zombo at all. Zombo was up against the back up tackle and was getting better pressure to Cutler compared to Matthews (who was pretty much shut down). I noticed on the last drive of the game that Matthews WAS in Zombo’s place and came close to Cutler…

I guess I’m wondering why the switch wasn’t done sooner? Or did they switch off and on and I just didn’t notice?

by Heikkinen on Sep 27, 2010 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I noticed that too, who knows really. I think the real problem was rushing three guys and giving Cutler all day to throw. Capers is known for, and has all these wonderful blitz schemes but when the game is on the line, it’s as if he becomes afraid to use them (despite them working tremendously throughout the game), and goes in to his prevent style defense. It doesn’t make sense to me. Our defense is clearly at it’s best when it’s flying around, creating havoc.

I mean sure, every once in a while we’ll get beat on a blitz and give a big gain but who cares really? Probably more times then not, we’ll force an errant throw, and give Woodson, Collins, or Williams a chance to make a play on a ball. I’d much rather see him call an aggressive game and have us get beat as opposed to calling a conservative one.

He had the same problem last season in my opinion, and I hope he realizes going away from the pressure is when our defense is at it’s worst.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Especially

When we have 2 rookies in our secondary who are going to make mistakes and get beat if given enough time

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean I’m obviously not a defensive guru but it just seems so obvious to me. It’s blatantly obvious that we’re better when we’re bringing those blitzes, as opposed to playing our ultra-conservative style. I mean wasn’t that the whole reason we canned Sanders?

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

the packers in this game

linky

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 12:03 AM CDT reply actions  

From Rotoworld
Packers FS Nick Collins was seen throwing an unknown object at a Bears’ fan while leaving the field following the Packers’ 20-17 loss. Fox 6 Sports Milwaukee is reporting that Collins’ was provoked by a fan who spat his way and called him a racist expletive. The station reportedly has video of the incident that can’t be shown till Tuesday due to NFL guidelines. Stay tuned for more.

by Yankees10 on Sep 28, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

WTF?!

"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

Vince Lombardi

by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh great ... as if we needed anything else.

I just hope ESPN and other sports networks don’t unconditionally blame Collins for this.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but ...

… organized sports have a number one rule, no matter how much fans insult you, make fun of your mom, your race, if you go after them in the stands, forget it. The NFL will not tolerate this and they will come down hard. I’m thinking Ron ARtest hard.

by PackFaninFL on Sep 28, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's serious...

we remember what happened to Ron Artest when he attacked a fan. Collins supposedly “goes crazy” and “attacks” a fan. If he went into the stands, forget it. He will be suspended for quite a while

by PackFaninFL on Sep 28, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Effing great.

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by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon Jacobs

Threw his helmet into the stands and didn’t get any penalty. Doubt Collins will either.

by I voted for Kodos on Sep 28, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he was just throwing a souvenir?

Besides, did that prevent Ron Artest from getting his championship ring?

by I voted for Kodos on Sep 28, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that sucks

Collins will probably be punished. But that guy deserves a lot worse for spitting at Collins and shouting out racist remarks. The Chicago sports fan strikes again…

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by dishingoutdimes on Sep 28, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

everyone is a victim

The rule seems to be now days that if I call you on your crap, then I’m some how the @$$hole. Collins has to know better – but I can’t say I blame him after an emotional defeat. Still he’s got to control himself. He’s got too much to lose compared to some drunken idiot redneck.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to blame him. Playing sports, I know how it feels to lose a tough game (and this is at a much higher and much more important level). You feel like shit basically. It’s easy to get frustrated at the littlest of things, let alone being spit on and being called a derogatory term. Just classless by that Bears fan.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

it’s the same lack of discipline that had him react to a fan like that after a tough loss is what caused at least 3 personal fouls and 17 called penalties.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What? A fan in Chicago throwing out racial slurs? No way!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tell you what guys, all we need is a running game. The other issues were obviously magnified due to the lack of Grant. A decent running game, and that game isn’t even close.

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by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2010 12:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Less than 10 penalties, and that game isn't even close

Good punt coverage, and that game isn’t even close.
Getting full control of the ball on a couple more plays, and that games isn’t even close.

Running the ball wasn’t even in the top 3 things wrong for this game.

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

It works both ways

1 fewer INT for Cutler and that game isn’t even close
A slightly better pass on 4th and goal and that game isn’t even close

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

eh…I don’t agree. We had to punt after the Culter interception. Ultimately agree on your point…I think we had a lot more of them than they did but yeah it does go both ways.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point wasn't that it doesn't go both ways

it’s that I don’t think the running game was the greatest of our problems

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hate to agree, but dissagree

Yes we need the running game some how. But what we really need is for MM to get this team under control. Look at the above post, if that is true, then collins just took himslef out for the next couple of weeks. Penalties after penalty. Player slamming another player to the ground after the whistle. Come on, be emotional, strive to play hard, BUT BE SMART. Didn’t we have something like that last year when there was extra contact on the field after the play (being sarcastic, I know there was). I just can’t stand to see someone take his team out, because he couldn’t control himself.

by ShawnH on Sep 28, 2010 12:41 AM CDT reply actions  

True. However, think of it from the players prospective. They had no idea what they were getting into. I don’t think they even thought it would be a tough game. Tell you what though, get exposed as having ZERO, I’ll say again, ZERO running game, and Joe Montana and Peyton Manning would be in trouble. Add to that the fact that the LINE seems to be regressing from last year! NO RUNNING GAME, NO LINE! Time to go beast mode TT!

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by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I agree AT ALL! What makes you think they didn’t think it would be a tough game. Its ALWAYS a tough fought game. The D came out FLYING in on the D and playing really aggressive. I didn’t see anything to show me they didn’t think it would be a tough game.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

On a positive note...

Horrible horrible game, yet the Bears didn’t look much better, Cutler should have thrown 4 picks and three were bail out calls. I think a running game fixes it. If you have a hard rusher like Lynch then it would have open up play action, which if u noticed in the first quarter of a roll to the right side he had Jennings all the way.

Also i was at the game with my Rodgers jersey on and only one guy tried to fight me….i think it was one of the refs…did they hate us tonight or what?

by LilNitschke66 on Sep 28, 2010 12:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, my friend, they did. I admire your courage and integrity. Lynch is just what the doctor ordered! Let him go crazy on these non respectful defenses. Heck, with out line somehow better than the Bills, Lynch would tear it up here. We need him!

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by CaliSeth on Sep 28, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

lynch, Lynch, LYNCH!

I’ve been leading the charge on him since the preseason…lets get this done!!!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we ever get Lynch

You should be head of a pro Marshawn Lynch group, maybe called the “Lynch Mob” :P You really like that guy!

by PackFaninFL on Sep 28, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha I like it. Well its mostly cause of my distaste of the idea of staying status quo. If we wait for Starks, that means we have our FOURTH rookie starter on the roster. Now maybe as SOME point the other guys on PUP get their jobs back but we are way too reliant on rookies for a team that isn’t rebuilding. This is a position where we can really get it stabilized quickly by making a move.

by TrevorR on Oct 1, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The rumors are stirring again

link

Also heard KFAN is talking about it, too. But it’s just that right now, talk

by HankO on Sep 28, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well first of all

I tried to agree, I am all for any type of improvement we can get. Number 2 the Bills have said repeatedly, they are not giving up Lynch. As for the Bears looking horrible, really don’t care if they did. Fact of the mater is that they won, and now they are 3 -0. I know I still believe they will be exsposed for who they are, and I’m sure we still take take the division. I give them credit really, they took what we gave them and used it. In the end I don’t care if “we beat ourselves”, because in the end……… we lost. I still stick with my first statement, get the players under control, get the penalties under control, PLAY SMART!

by ShawnH on Sep 28, 2010 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps I'm still drunk (which I had to be after this game...)

But, I think a loss here might be productive. Even though McCarthy got thoroughly outcoached (by Lovie, for crying out loud! and whoever advised him to challenge the Jones fumble call should be fired—we could have used that time out!), nothing went right for the Pack this week and we still barely lost. Keep the penalties down; never let Jones catch a pass in crunch time; and never tackle high on the QB; and keep Finley healthy. Do those things and we’ll win the division. Also, we have some serious karma coming our way after this game (a few of those calls were kind of bs).
A disappointment, but no reason to jump ship. If MM is a good coach, this should be a loss that kicks our ass into gear and shows us that we can’t be sloppy. [But this was not MM’s finest moment at all.]

by Senor Smoke on Sep 28, 2010 1:45 AM CDT reply actions  

At least I remember now what it feels like to hate the Bears.

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 2:08 AM CDT reply actions  

and for every nonhold call Peppers got, Clay got a nonhold call too

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

The elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about...

As good as our short passing offense (averaging, what, 7 yards per attempt?), is, you CANNOT win in the NFL throwing the ball 45 times a game. Maybe in September, but not in January. Throwing 40+ times in December will lead to at least 15-20 incompletions, sacks (NOBODY can protect the qb on 45 dropbacks a game), and INT’s, most of which will kill drives and swing momentum to the other team.

If we can’t run the ball, we’ll be one and done in the playoffs.

by CakeEater on Sep 28, 2010 6:27 AM CDT reply actions  

worked for the Cards in the playoffs against us last year.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was in Arizona though

If we have to play at Lambeau or some other cold place in late December/January our inability to run could hurt us greatly.

by Charlie Kelly on Sep 28, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

true…but that wasn’t HIS point though.

I agree completely we HAVE HAVE HAVE to have a running game if we want to go anywhere. I just disagreed that you can’t win in december/january with 45 passes.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we could. Rodgers has shown plenty of times now that he can throw the ball in the cold. That’s not really an issue. The issue is our offensive line constantly killing drives.

But really, this whole issue is probably moot. We’re not going to have home field advantage in the playoffs.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

who is (going to have home field)? None of the believed front runners are better than 2-0.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea but I don’t think it’ll be us. We still couldn’t generate a consistent pass rush with just four guys against a weak Bears offensive line. That probably means the secondary will struggle just like last season.

by packallday555 on Sep 29, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

We had great pass rush for the majority of the game. It broke down for a while in the middle but it started strong and finished strong.

by TrevorR on Oct 1, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it didn't

Beanie Wells had a GREAT game in Arizona.

by bluejazz04 on Sep 28, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree. It actually would work if we had a good enough offensive line. If we eliminate those penalties by the offensive line, we probably score a TD on all three of those long drives. The Bears defense couldn’t stop our offense at all really. It just didn’t end up hurting them that much because our offensive line stopped our offense for them.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

As someone eluded to earlier though, I’d rather have a serviceable run game for a couple reasons.

#1. Keep other defenses honest. If Aaron is our biggest run threat they don’t need to play the run and can consistently drop extra men back and take away a lot for deep threats

and #2. Imagine this scenario if you will. Up by 3, 80 yds for a td, 3 minutes left and the other team has all 3 timeouts. What are our options w/o a run game. Either pass the ball and stop the clock or run 3 times, make them use timeouts and give them the ball w/ plenty of time.

You can’t milk the clock in the 4th without a decent run game and that will probably cost us a game or two this year

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, let me just start off by saying, even if we had Grant, our run game wouldn’t have been much better. In my opinion, Grant is and always has been overrated.

But your right, we need a running game. It’d be a great help. I wish stubborn Ted would make a trade for a Lynch, or Choice (Dallas) but we all know that’s going to happen.

Granted, McCarthy actually did a pretty good job making up for our non-exsistent running game with quick passes to the receivers in the flats and the dump offs to Jackson.

And by the way, I really hope we’ll continue to use Jackson in the passing game like we did last night. He’s pretty good after the catch.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Didn’t we sign that one guy off the Falcon PS… How come we havent seen him yet. He cant have much worse vision then Jackson and Kuhn.

And agree. Jackson is a great 3rd down back, but he’s not a good 1st or 2nd down back imo

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess would be he doesn’t know the playbook well enough, and probably isn’t great in protection.

by packallday555 on Sep 29, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dmitri Nance I believe is his name.

B-Jax’s blocking ability may be the biggest reason he’s getting so many minutes. If the o-line is performing so poorly, they may just want an extra pass protector back there. The offense has been pretty good even without a true running game.

by Omaha Sun on Sep 29, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disgusting

This game reminded me of the games against Dallas in the 90’s. We get called for every ticky tack penalty but the other team doesn’t. The hold on Tausch that negated a TD could be called on nearly every pass play. The personal foul on Collins was a joke the receiver wasn’t down and you see that continuation ALL THE TIME with no flag. Hawk’s helmet ripped off NO CALL. A bears DL belly flops on AR’s head NO CALL. Lots of contact by Burnett but he was looking back. The int that was ruled incomplete by one ref even though 2 others called it a catch. He took 2 steps then tripped and fell he wasn’t going to the ground on the catch so that should have been a catch.

After all that though we gave the game away. MM was outcoached by Lovie and looked clueless about what to do after the Jones fumble, stupid challenge that wasted a timeout.

by Wisfan on Sep 28, 2010 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

So was the holding on Tauscher that wiped out the touchdown.

I just saw a replay. Where was the holding? That happens all the time in the battles at the line of scrimmage.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree that one was iffy. Maybe it was a make up call. I know there were plenty of holding calls on Peppers that the refs missed.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Normally I'm in agreement with Trevor on complaining about penalty calls after a bad loss

but that holding call on Tausch was pure BS. 90% of the time that level of holding is a non-call.

However, every other penalty was a fair call, imo.

But that Tausch penalty was huge because they had a TD on the play nullified and then followed with a missed FG.

by 400metres on Sep 28, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

the jersey was pulled

You could see it pop. But it was insignificant. It didn’t cause him to break stride, slow down, etc. It was pure crap.

all I can say is that we had a SLOPPY game. This is not in question. But what is in question is the discrepancy in penalties. There’s simply NO WAY that the Bears played that clean of a game in comparison. I saw all the penalites WisFan points out, plus a few more.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

one bad call vs. 17(!) correct calls is not solid ground upon which to cry injustice.

Anyone who pisses and moans about the refs causing the Pack to lose last night is just that: a pisser and a moaner.

by 400metres on Sep 28, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh I am not going there…we deserved almost every one of those penalties. They weren’t ticky tacky. Most of them were holds and false starts on our tackles…

Hawk getting his helmet ripped off isn’t a penalty.

Sure there were maybe a couple that were ticky tacky but 90% of them were legit…lets not make excuses for this AWFUL performance.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree. We deserved all those calls. Don’t blame the refs, blame McCarthy and his lack of discipline. This has been a problem for 3 years now and it’s getting really, really old.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

This team looks like a 9-7 team

It is inexcusable to not sweep this division. Dolphins, Jets, Falcons, Vikings x1, Patriots all look like L’s. #7 could be the Giants hunting for a Wildcard.

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 7:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Nothing looks different from last year really, aside from the improvement from Rodgers and our receivers. Though that gets negated by that thing we call an offensive line.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am still feeling the sting this morning

I was upset last night and going to work amongst all Bear fans is rough today, I’m the only Packer fan around, blech.

My hope is, the Bears have confidence from this game, get overconfident and the Giants beat them next week. Hopefull this is like the San Fran game last year and the Pack get it together.

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by GasHouseMang on Sep 28, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

17 friggin' penalties

They “rack discoprine”….. but I think one of the ending PI calls could have gone either way, the one they called on Burnett at the end. Anybody else see it and maybe think the Bears WR could have been called for doing the same? That really ticked me off. But Duh Bears are thinking they won the Super Bowl by beating us by 3 measly points. Wait until they gotta come to Lambeau in January when it’s nice and cold. Sucky thing is, being in Central IL, I gotta hear it from the retards until then.

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by P-Townfan on Sep 28, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

How can you not address the running game after this?

Come no MM & TT, get us some help.

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by Kelly on Sep 28, 2010 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

No running game also hurt them big time.

They have an easy game coming against Detroit, but after that, they need to work on it, big time.

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.

by P-Townfan on Sep 29, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh and also I wasn't a fan of

McCarthy playing for the field goal on two drives where the Packers were already within range and 3rd and long. Your quarterback is Aaron freaking Rodgers. Why not give him a chance to get you more than three points on a drive? Instead he calls little dink plays down the middle to set up an easy FG for Crosby. That he made one and one was blocked is not the point. Why not try to get six points on the drive with one of the best QBs in the NFL??

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by Kelly on Sep 28, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Because points were at a premium for this game?

Because the Bears weren’t giving us anything downfield even when we didn’t need 20 yards on one play?

Because we have some of the best after the catch receivers in the league that still have a chance to pick up that yardage?

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on. Stop making sense when I'm venting.

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by Kelly on Sep 28, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, wired that way

Engineer = logic :-P

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

accountablity

when is someone (McCarthy) going to be held accountable for all the penalties and the horrendous special teams play? How many times have we listened to him say this is “unacceptable” and needs to be “fixed” and then he does nothing? It’s getting pretty old after 4 years…

by Egbert Souse on Sep 28, 2010 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

am I on the right blog?

With all the blaming of the refs going on, I thought I was in the Daily Norseman. You guys sound like Viqueen fans.

by Egbert Souse on Sep 28, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

That's solid hustle.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Sep 28, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

all the blaming of the refs?

dude, there’s like 8 posts out of 200 or so that blame the refs for the penalties, and those posts are generally shut down by other posts.

now the cries of “fire the coaches” and “trade everything for Lynch NAO” – those are some serious Daily Norsemen-quality posts! ;-)

by swilldog on Sep 28, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah…verses the classic APC standard line of lets just stick with the guys we have here, there couldn’t possibly be guys on other teams that are better than ours. right?

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Forget the Zebras...

Let’s get our special teams (Masthay 19.0 Net Punting!) in order. Let’s start thinking about our aging offensive tackles (would a Bulaga + TJ lang combo possibly be worse?? eh, probably lol) .

IF we get our own house in order, stopping wasting our TOs (glares at MM), then the Zebras become a non factor.

Blaming the Zs is classic Loser Talk.

by PackFaninFL on Sep 28, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

out of the 18 penalties, you could maybe argue 2 of them. If we hadn’t set a precedent for committing them earlier in the game maybe one of those 2 is called in our favor, but we set ourselves up to get called.

I think we should give the Bulaga/Lang combo a shot next week (Detroit’s front 7 arent horrible but they’re not spectacular either) and see how they play. If nothing else, it give Cliff and Tausch a chance to get a break and heal.

The punting game is not on Masthay (other then the one line driver) as he was consistently nailing them over 50 yards but on coverage which is always a problem for us under Slocum.

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disappointing

I don’t even know where to begin really. There’s plenty of blame to go around. I think the only guy who really played well for us was Rodgers.

The special teams unit of 2008 and 2009 came back, and came back strong. How can you go offsides on a kickoff? I mean seriously, this is the NFL right? That rarely happens in pop warner football. Doing so in the NFL is just unacceptable. Mathsay’s line drive punt to Hester was terrible too. It gave them great field positon, switched the momentum, and really was the main reason they ended up scoring a TD in my opinion. A blocked field goal too, seriously? I mean come on. Sitton got pancaked, and Peppers basically stepped through untouched. And worst of all was the choice of Bonehead McCarthy to ACTUALLY punt the ball to Devin Hester. Yeah, it was actually a really, really good punt by Mathsay but it’s Devin Hester. You know, the guy who already has the 3rd most punt return TD’s in history despite only being in the league for like what, 5 years? Just stupid.

But not only did the special teams of old return, so did the penalty happy team of old. 17 penalties, seriously? I think I saw last night that, that’s the most in Packer history. Just embarrassing. Daryn “drive killer” Colledge was in top shape last night. Does anyone else notice that Colledge always seems to make a crucial mistake at a crucial time? The holding call on Tauscher that negated the Finley TD was huge too. I mean, Peppers wasn’t even relevant to the play, or even really close to Rodgers. What the hell is the need to hold him? Just a really, really stupid play by Tauscher. The more I saw he and Clifton play, the more I think both of them are done. I’m convinced Buluga and Lang are more capable then both of them, as well as Colledge. Those two need to be in there starting somewhere.

Do I even need to mention the defensive penalties? It was as if the defense was trying to give the Bears offense as much help as they could. It’s hard to fault Zombo for his hit because he was just making a hit. It’s not as if he purposely hit him helmet to helmet, and if it were up to me that hit, and the one on Rodgers shouldn’t have been called at all but obviously it’s not. Collins slamming Forte to the ground is just unacceptable though. I mean seriously!? At that crucial point in the game? Not too mention the him dropping that INT on the Bears scoring drive. There’s no reason he shouldn’t hold onto to that ball. Burnett’s PI was huge too. It’s just ashame he didn’t just turn around and look, because he was in perfect positon AND had help from Collins.

I don’t know, sometimes I just think a large portion of our staff and players don’t have brains, or maybe just don’t know how to use them. Did anybody else wanna kill somebody every time Mr. Prevent—oops I mean Dom Capers rushed 3-4 and dropped the rest back into coverage? I mean I don’t know about you guys but too me it’s pretty clear that, that NEVER works for us. We don’t play good zone defense whatsoever, and we don’t ever seem to generate enough of a pass rush. It’s just a recipe for disaster really.

I mean nearly every time we brought pressure on Cutler he made a stupid, ill-advised throw. The INT early on, two dropped INTs by Collins, the INT by Barnett negated by a Zombo penalty, the INT negated by a Burnett penalty. I’m sure there are more but those are just some instances of the top of my head. Cutler showed last night that his decision making still really hasn’t improved at all. If you pressure him he WILL make mistakes. But if drop everyone into coverage and give him all day in the couple he WILL make you pay for it, just like any other good Qb will. I don’t know, I’m starting to think the real issue with our pass defense is Capers coverage schemes, as opposed to the players.

I don’t know, I just sort of feel like I got myself all jacked up for no reason. Nothing has changed really, and we have nobody but Thompson and most of all McCarthy to blame for it. McCarthy needs to needs to be held accountable for our special teams and peanlty problems. It’s just unacceptable. If we have even 10 penalties instead of 17, which is still too many, we easily win that game. Not too mention if we just simply punt the ball out of bounds as opposed to actually punting it to Hester. Again, just so stupid.

And if it wasn’t clear before, it should be now. We need more defensive line depth and we need a running back. Yes, Ted Thompson, I’m looking at you. Go get it done.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

GREAT POST! Wow…you had a lot to get off your chest there.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the rant, I’m just really, really frustrated. And the sad part is, I could say much more. The problems this team has are all so frustrating. It just seems like it’s the same thing every year.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ow...tough loss

My condolences.

On the other hand, it’s now fairly clear who received the shotgun the Cowboys had been using to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Here’s hoping you can get rid of it sooner than we did.

God Bless Texas

by dwarfknight64 on Sep 28, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Bears fan here.

I’ve been saying it for years now, and I will say it again.

Rogers is better than Favre EVER was. Period.

If I have to pick one of those two in their prime to take me down the field in a two minute drive to win the Super Bowl, I am picking the one who doesn’t have a 50-50 chance of throwing a Pick 6… I am taking Rogers.

Every time I see the guy I am more impressed by him. Yeah, it was a horrid game for you guys, your team played like crap and everybody knows it. But it wasn’t a lack of talent, it was “one of those game” that just happen from time to time.

IMHO don’t read too much in it. You guys probably need to fix that special teams stuff, and Grant’s loss is a tough blow… but you are still the best team in the division and the odds on favorite still.

As a Bears fan, I am hoping we are good enough to squeak into the wildcard hunt… and I am FAR from convinced that we are anything other than a .500 team.

If you guys weren’t the Hated Packers I would wish you luck… but of course, I am legally required to hate you so I can’t do that :)

There ain’t nothing like a game against the Lions to get your groove back though… a loss to the Bears on the road when you play like crap? Not that big of a deal.

A loss to the Lions at home? Well… that ain’t gonna happen.

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

It is one of those games

that happens from time to time… Unfortunately it seems to happen more then time to time with this regime

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats on your team winning, but I still hate the Bears.

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by Troy J. on Sep 28, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seahawks fan here

So uh….I have no idea why ESPN did not show that INT that was ruled incomplete when the play was called for holding (the one before the Olsen catch). That was extremely fishy and weird…..then again Cutler was nearly sacked and they showed Clay Matthews, who wasn’t involved in the play.

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by SSreporters on Sep 28, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

The one by Collins? I was pissed as all hell about that. It looked to me like he caught it, and then fumbled it. The refs reacted really late and then one ran in signaling incomplete, which also made me mad. I mean, wasn’t that why the challenge rules were implemented? If you’re not sure about a call, which those refs didn’t appear to be judging by their late reaction/call, rule it an interception. Figure out who has possession after that fumble, and then go from there. It was under 2 minutes (I believe?), so the booth could have reviewed whether or not it was an interception.

But since they ruled it an incomplete, it basically made it so reviewing that play would do us no good. Because even if Collins did actually intercept it, I don’t know that we would have been awarded the ball, since he fumbled, and the refs never distinguished who recovered that fumble due to them ruling the pass incomplete.

I don’t know, maybe I’m still just to frustrated about the loss but to me, it didn’t seem like they handled that play very well.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was horseshit

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by blackoutsox on Sep 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't under 2 minutes

MM would have had to challenge it

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the same thing happens on offense

where they rule a pass incomplete and then overturn it. Don’t they get the ball at the spot of the completion. In that case, the fumble wouldn’t have mattered. I may be wrong on that line of thinking and someone please correct me if I am

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Sep 28, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, on a positive note, does anybody wanna dispute Rodgers being an elite Qb? If hearing it from Gruden, Young, and Jaws isn’t enough, his play should have been. He led us down the field to score a TD, showing some toughness doing so (running it in despite cramping up). And I’d bet my left nut that he would have gotten us some points on our last drive had Jones not fumbled that ball. He was really, really good. If we could fix our offensive line problems, it wouldn’t matter that our defense won’t be able to stop good passing teams again this season.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's face the facts

Until Rodgers wins a SB, he will never be an elite QB, just as Elder Manning was not until he was gifted one by Rex Grossman. That’s unfair to him, sure, but that’s how it works now.

Brees was not elite until he won.
Rivers is still not elite. Neither is McNabb.

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I suppose so. It’s disappointing that, that’s the criteria though. If you look at all the “elite” Qb’s who have won Super Bowl’s, all their teams have been complete and far from one dimensional. Pretty much all of them, aside from the Saints have had great defenses, and all of them have had strong running games. Too expect Rodgers to win a Super Bowl, or even a playoff game for that matter with the defense/special teams/offensive line units we have is silly.

Should Rodgers really be penalized for not having a complete team around him? I don’t think many would argue that he doesn’t have “elite” skill. Isn’t that ultimately what an elite Qb is? I understand and agree with the winning aspect of it as well but I think in some cases (like Rodgers) there isn’t a whole lot more you can do when you just don’t have the necessary levels of play around you.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Marino is not an elite QB? Yes? No?

Having a Super Bowl under your belt is nice, but it should not be the ultimate decider in what qualifies as elite or not.

by Bush League All Star on Sep 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thus my italics

IMHO, the goal posts have moved in the last 10-15 years.

by Danwood on Sep 28, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought I saw 'em move once, Monday,

but, then, that could have been all that beer. :)

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by NorthStarr on Oct 1, 2010 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Brees, McNabb, and Manning are all elite. Maybe the network protrays it differently, but the FACT as you said, is that they are elite

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by blackoutsox on Sep 29, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

being a good quarterback

a superbowl does not define a quarterback as elite.

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by blackoutsox on Sep 29, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

and hes not elite anymore, but he was

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by blackoutsox on Sep 29, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if I would have said elite for him during his career. He was VERY good but not elite. He’s not in the conversation with Manning and others like him so I wouldn’t put him in the elite conversation.

by TrevorR on Oct 1, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

In that case is Cutler an elite QB?

Gruden basically spent 3 hours fellating him.

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. He’s still not a very good decision maker. I would say he’s top 10 though.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point is

if your qualifications for an elite QB is “ESPN told me so,” I’m going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.

John Clayton, who I usually feel does a pretty good job, had an article at the beginning of the season placing QBs into tiers, and if I remember correctly he put 15 or 16 QBs at “elite” level. That’s grade-A horse crap.

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s not really argument though. I think first and foremost, his play shows that he’s one of the best Qb’s in the league. Having guys who know Qb’s like Jaws, Young, and Gruden also saying he’s one of the best really only reinforces that point too me.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I read that as the other way around

that the talking heads said he’s elite and you confirmed that by watching his play. My bad.

I agree that his play is upper level in the NFL for sure, I’m not sure I’m ready to label him as elite quite yet. He’s got to show he can win the pressure games consistently.

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking back at what I wrote, I didn’t do a good job of wording it.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It happens

maybe i should be less of a dick

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by GoGregGo on Sep 28, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does,

doesn’t it. lol.

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by NorthStarr on Oct 1, 2010 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Favre

flip this argument around then. He hasn’t been to the big show in what 14 years? Is he still considered elite by that standard? Judging by his play this year – eh, not so much. Last year? Definitely.

Cutler didn’t wow me yesterday. He was tough. Made some nice throws. Scrambled at opportune times. It was pretty decent outing for him – but it was nothing that makes you say “holy cow can that guy hurl the spheroid”

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

when is this team going to get out of his way and let him become completely elite?!?!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is a good look at how penalties affect the outcome of the game and basically how to beat yourself...

I was going to do more of a humor entrenched fan post on how to beat yourself up in a game that the other team had no business winning at all. I am usually pretty fair, but this game didn’t warrant being fair when you see your team play like crap and let an obviously inferior team win.

From an article on 620 WTMJ, Jay Sorgi writes,

Here’s the litany:

1) 10:03 left, first quarter – pass interference on Woodson. Thankfully, no points scored on that drive, but only because of Robbie Gould’s missed field goal.

2) 5:41 left, first quarter – false start on Clifton. Green Bay overcame that flag, as Rodgers found Jennings for a touchdown.

3) 4:26 left, first quarter – offsides on Bishop…on a kickoff. A KICKOFF? I haven’t seen that call in years. You see that in pee wee football, not the NFL.

4) 4:01 left, first quarter – face mask on Matthews. The Packers thankfully didn’t pay for it, as an interception by Martin made up for it.

5) 6:02 left, second quarter – holding on Colledge. That wiped out an eight yard run.

6) 3:55 left, second quarter – illegal block on Martin. A 22 yard return wiped out.

7) 14:55 left, third quarter – illegal formation on Clifton. A five-yard pass to Lee negated.

8) 9:18 left, third quarter – holding on Sitton. Another five yard gain, a run by Rodgers, negated.

9) 7:25 left, third quarter – holding on Tauscher. Not just 15 yards lost on a pass to Finley, but a touchdown.

10) 1:50 left, third quarter – false start on Tauscher. Almost no yardage lost.

11) 1:50 left, third quarter – false start on Tauscher. Ditto.

12) :24 left, third quarter – delay of game on Rodgers. It turned a third and 1 into a third and 6, which went incomplete.

13) 13:56 left, fourth quarter – false start on Clifton. Made up for with a 14 yard gain on second and 12.

14) 6:45 left, fourth quarter – roughing the passer on Zombo. That canceled an interception by Barnett, and the drive turned into a tying field goal for Chicago.

15) 6:34 left, fourth quarter – unnecessary roughness on Collins, helping to lead to the field goal.

16) 2:33 left, fourth quarter – intentional grounding on Rodgers, on a drive which led to the game-turning turnover.

17) 1:51 left, fourth quarter – pass interference on Burnett, negating an interception by Collins that would have saved the game.

18) :04 left, fourth quarter – illegal forward pass on Driver, negating a chance at a Cal-Stanford miracle lateral play.

Total yards in penalties: 152.
Total offensive yards lost beyond the penalties themselves: 55.
Points loss by Green Bay or gained by Chicago because of penalties: 13.

Embarrassment to the Packers, a team picked by many as the best in the National Football League: immeasurable.

I still might write up a fan post. There is still a need to get better ST play and put a damper on the penalties. I am not worried so much because I think have 18 penalties is a bit fluky. There is more importantly a talented team under the mental mistakes, a team that is better than their performance on Monday night. It just goes to show you that you still have to show up and play. A team can play their way to victory, but just as easily play their way out of the game.

by Bush League All Star on Sep 28, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions   3 recs

+1

Nice breakdown.

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by GasHouseMang on Sep 28, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome...

that really lays it out…. I should add that lots of those Offensive Line penalties were because of the play of Peppers. He was out of this world good.

by PackFaninFL on Sep 28, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great job

Nailed it perfectly.

Some of those penalties are “just what happens” but some of them are real head-scratchers. Offsides on a kickoff? Are you kidding me? What was he thinking?

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

he wasn't thinking

which probably explains why Bishop is not on the field more than Hawk – despite many claims by fans that he’s “better”. And for the record, I don’t “love” AJ Hawk as a player. I think he’s serviceable. Were he not a top 5 pick, I’d be okay with him.

by gern blanston on Sep 28, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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