Packer Notes: On Injuries, The Offensive Line, and Penalties
by Brandon on Sep 29, 2010 7:30 AM CDT
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Print- Only three Green Bay Packers were hurt during the Monday night game. According to Mike McCarthy, TE Jermichael Finley had some cramping (which shouldn't be a problem going forward) and FS Nick Collins had a knee sprain. The next day, he added LB Brandon Chillar with a shoulder strain and said Collins may miss practice this week.
- Mike McCarthy said his offensive tackles on Monday night "just did OK." While watching the game, it seemed like RT Mark Tauscher was having the worst game of his career, but McCarthy did point out that they didn't allow a single sack (though DE Julius Peppers was very disruptive) and that two of the holding penalties were by LG Daryn Colledge and RG Josh Sitton. Sitton was also knocked on his butt during the blocked field goal, so when you factor in that special teams play, I'd say Sitton has the slight edge as least valuable offensive lineman in week 3. But obviously there were at least four candidates for the award. Which offensive lineman drove you crazy while watching?
- After one of several questions about penalties, Mike McCarthy discusses the personal foul on rookie LB Frank Zombo and called it a "grey area." He doesn't dispute the call at all, Zombo's helmet did hit QB Jay Cutler's helmet, but it happened right as Zombo came out of a spin move and while he was being held from behind. His point wasn't that it shouldn't be a penalty, but there's nothing the coaches can do to stop a chain of events like that from happening.
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Sitton
If I recall correctly, on the FG where Sitton was left in a “Sitton” position, the Bears had 4 or 5 guys lined up directly over him. I guess I can’t blame him for getting knocked back in a situation like that. Seems maybe a timeout would have been in order to discuss how to attack this defensive alignment.
I'd groan at that pun
If I didn’t think the exact same thing when I watched the replay of it.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
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William Shakespeare loved him some puns!
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 1, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with him on the Zombo penalty. Yes, he hit in the helmet but anyone who has played football knows you don’t always end up hitting people where you intend to. He spun off a block, basically launched himself at Cutler, and then happened to hit him helmet to helmet because Cutler ended up stepping up to make a throw. I think that’s a tough call to make.
It is like high sticking in hockey
You are responsible for your stick, no matter what.
It is an easy call to make, it is a hard call to discipline someone over.
Yeah, that’d be a good comparison. Just kind of sucks.
by packallday555 on Sep 29, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Zombo is a rookie
And I doubt that many players activly think “Okay now, I cannot hit him in the helmet, and I cannot hit him in the legs, and I cannot slam him to the ground”. Pretty sure the only thing running through Zombo’s head it “COME HERE BITCH!”
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
No complaints with the O-line really. I blame McCarthy if anyone.
The offensive line got beat, and did take some penalties, but the play calling was a bit predictable and even though one could argue the running game wasn’t great, I think an important part of playing a powerful defensive front like Chicago’s is wearing them down.
Lots of time was taken in those huddles, it let Lovie/Marinelli pick and choose how they wanted to set up and – hey – you just can’t let a team like that catch their breath. By the second half, everyone knew quick routes worked, so why not hasten to the line and get plays off? That would have given the Pack more chances to mix things up and even complete a few deep routes which were gone because of the Bears keeping a fairly fresh, aggresive D out there.
We knew the tackles had their work cut out for them, so why not make Peppers be the one to work? McCarthy played Lovie’s game and that will never win you anything, massive amounts of penalties not withstanding.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Finally some logic...
I have heard so many people calling for the cutting of Tauscher and Clifton these last two days. It’s nice to see someone else point out that they didn’t give up a sack nor the blocked FG. To be quite honest, I am more OK with the offensive penlties than I am with the ones on defense, especially Collins’ personal foul and Burnett’s pass interference. Things like that should not happen on a potential game winning drive. That, and Jones needs to hang onto the ball if people are going to keep saying how good of a WR he is. Otherwise, I will advocate throwing the ball Nelson’s way instead.
On a completely unrelated note, has anyone else heard these rumblings of a Steven Jackson trade? I just caught a whiff this morning and am having a hard time believing it to be anything more than wild speculation from desperate fans.
SJ has been in the rumor mill on and off for quite a bit.
We got a drift of it I believe last year when apparently St. Louis was looking to shop SJ.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
nope…I don’t see any rumblings about this anywhere. It would TOTALLY screw over the devlopment of Bradford though in my book. HE is the reason that Bradford has had success. Teams KNOW they have to stack the box to stop Sjax so it makes the QBs job much easier. You take away Sjax and that will be one of the worst offenses the league has ever seen!
Disagree
I saw some of the St. Louis/Washington game this week (DC market, what’re you gonna do?), and even after SJ went out, Bradford was still pretty impressive. Now that may be more of an indictment of the Redskin’s defense, but to say that it would screw over his development is an overstatement.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Gameplan was already in place.
Its completely different when you go into it knowing that its just Bradford that you have to stop.
So all of a sudden the defensive coordinator only had to focus on the pass
and it HURT the defense? By that reasoning, when a team is down huge and has to throw the ball a lot it doesn’t help the defense at all because they were expecting an fairly even number of passes and runs. That doesn’t make sense.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Hey...what happened to the Packers when Kolb went down?
Does it make sense now?
Just cause they make adjustments at half that doesn’t replace an entire week of game planning and scheming. Don’t mistake in game adjustments with game planning…they are very different. If a team goes into a game knowing Sjax is out (or in this case traded away) you will see Bradford going down hard. They will blitz more, they won’t stack the box, etc. They likely didn’t know much about this Darby kid and what he can do so they couldn’t just outright change gameplans at the half without knowing if he was a hidden gem.
So by your argument, if we played Philly again next week, Vick would tear us up for about 150 on the ground?
You are not comparing apples to apples
Going from Kolb to Vick is not the same thing as a team going from SJ to Darby.
Kolb to Vick essentially changed the entire playbook for Philly. The defense all of a sudden needed to worry about containing a QB that can run, which essentially added to the offense. Things that weren’t gameplanned for all of a sudden were making up a substantial portion of the offense.
Going from SJ to Darby decreased the talent of their running back. Defenses didn’t have to look for anything additional with that change, it was essentially subtracting from things they needed to worry about. After SJ went out, the Rams didn’t do anything that wasn’t already gameplanned for.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
it doesn't need to be
While its a different position the comparison works quite well.
Look the comparison from Sjax, one of the best backs in the entire league who is on a team void of talent (sorry rams fans) to Darby a backup back who the team isn’t even sold on as a backup is much the same in taht a team is going to go into that game with a completely different plan.
When Sjax is out there, teams are going to stack up the box because he is so talented that he is going to rip you up if you don’t. Because of that, his QB is going to have single coverage all over the field and its much easier pickings for him. You take Sjax out (like they might this week) and suddenly they can leave 6-7 in the box and start doubling up or throwing in some safety help on deep routes or crossing routes. It makes like MUCH more difficult. You are right the Rams didn’t have to change…its the defensive side that changes how they play the QB. Its not the same thing but it still works. How did it change for the Packers when they lost Grant? Teams don’t respect our running game so they don’t have to leave extra guy in the box which means lots of double coverage on Finley. Luckily we have a good enough QB to still succeed despite that. Bradford doesn’t have a few years in the league though. Just wait, you watch this week…
But you don't think that the defense did change after SJ went out on Sunday?
I’ll give you that perhaps they will be a little bit better prepared if they know SJ is gone, but I would think that a team would prepare for cases where they know the Rams are going to have to throw the ball. Maybe they didn’t spend as much time on that part of their gameplan as they would have with SJ out, but I’m sure they still did some gameplanning for it.
Regardless, I thought that Bradford was very impressive last week, and I think the Rams got a special player there.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
At the game..
I didn’t think Peppers was really that much of a factor other than the blocked field goal. Watching the replay and hearing the announcers rave about him gave a different impression.
Rodgers wasn’t sacked. Did he have to scramble a few times? Sure. But if your game plan is to only have a few token runs, it really allows the D to pin its ears back. I agree with that game plan by the way. I would have gone to 4 or 5 wide from the first snap..
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Sickening to listen to the Peppers love.
My favorite was the “Peppers has caused 4 penalties, look at this one. Oh wait, Peppers is on the other side of the field, but he causes the packers to jump early.” WHAT???? Peppers is so good that his talent has a ripple effect. If he’s lined up against a Right Tackle, it will ripple all the way over and cause the Left Tackle to jump early. Sound reasoning.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
by Troy J. on Sep 29, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the one that bugged me the most was when one of them said “Peppers is having the game of his career!” I was like WHAT? He hasn’t DONE anything. He’s had some pressures but even those pressures didn’t result in turnovers or anything tangible for the bears (outside of the blocked kick).
Don’t mistake that as me saying he had a bad game. He was disruptive but it was NO where near his best game!
Agreed
Maybe I’m just getting more sensitive to it, but it seems like the last two years the amount of cheerleading for the league and the stars has really gotten out of hand. Peppers is good, he had a good game, but it was definitely not the best of his career.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
by cheerleading
I mean by the likes of talking heads, commentators, etc. Most egregious at the level of national media. I understand that part of their job is promoting the league, but it has gotten to the level where it is insulting my (football) intelligence.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 29, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Peppers this Monday. 2 Total Tackles. 0 Sacks. 0 Forced Fumbles.
Last year vs Tampa Bay he had 7 Tackles, 2 Sacks, and a Forced Fumble. I don’t see how Monday was the game of his career. Let’s not forget two years ago vs. Oakland. 7 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 pass deflection.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
ESPN is awful.
The MNF crew egregiously so.
by warwick5s on Oct 1, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
MNF crews
have never been the same, nor as good, since Howard left.
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The glass is way, way, way more than half-full.
Hey
Anyone else notice what this weekend is? It’s the first week of October, which means that the Pink gear returns! Nothing better than watching a guy sack a QB while wearing pink wrist tape and shoes!
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Bulaga, Lang, Spitz, Sitton, Tauscher
please?
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Nope
Bulaga, Spitz, Wells, Sitton, Lang. That’s the o-line of the future.
by vitaminx on Sep 29, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I sure hope so. I’d love to see Colledge replaced asap. I realize Clifton and Tauscher won’t be until they have numerous bad games because of their reputation.
by packallday555 on Sep 30, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
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