NFL Roster Cuts: Packers Part With Havner, Barbre, and Blackmon Among Others
by Brandon on Sep 4, 2010 2:34 PM CDT
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PrintThe Green Bay Packers have made their final decisions on the 53-man roster, and who they hope to sign to the practice squad, but the news is coming out slowly, one player at a time. The Journal-Sentinel has a running thread, and I'll be saying my two cents as the news comes out while the team gets in touch with each player.
One move that's not yet official is TE Spencer Havner. Tom Silverstein tweets that they are looking to trade him. He'll probably get released. I'm surprised, but not really surprised. They have to keep TE Andrew Quarless, who's a great receiver, and TE Tom Crabtree has received a lot of great press in camp while replicating Havner's skill set (good blocker, decent receiver). I just expected Crabtree would be released instead of Havner.
RT Allen Barbre. I'm surprised it took this long. See every start in 2009.
DT Anthony Toribio. He looked good last preseason, but I haven't noticed him much this preseason. With the healthy return of DE Justin Harrell, and drafting of DE Mike Neal and NT B.J. Raji in consecutive years, there is a lot of competition on a line that doesn't need quite as much depth since they've switched to a 3-4. He might end up on the practice squad.
DE Ron Talley. See Toribio above. Everything I said about Toribio applies to Talley. If I had to choose, it seems like Toribio is a little better at getting into the backfield.
RB Kregg Lumpkin. He's OK, but he has trouble staying healthy and isn't that much better as a lead back then FB John Kuhn. And Kuhn does a lot of other things better such as play multiple positions and on special teams.
S Will Blackmon. I'd love it if he was kept as a backup safety and kick returner, but he's not healthy now and obviously missed a lot of time in the past and in college due to injuries. Staying healthy is a skill too, and he's not going to contribute much if he's constantly on I.R.
WR Jason Chery. He did return a punt for a TD, but he bobbled two kick off returns against the Chiefs and made his release an easy decision.
WR Charles Dillon. He did a good job as a receiver with 6 receptions against the Chiefs. But I didn't notice him on special teams and he wasn't an option as a returner. He had to do more.
C Evan Dietrich-Smith. Actually, I'm surprised he was kept last season. He looked good at times, getting a good push up the middle. But QB Matt Flynn took a lot of shots in the pocket this preseason, and it certainly had something to do with Dietrich-Smith failing to pick up a defender on the blitz at times. Apparently they are expecting that LS Brett Goode is just fine after getting knocked out of the game versus the Chiefs, and OL Jason Spitz can backup anywhere.
LB Alex Joseph. Another guy who had trouble staying healthy, but seemed to be a big hitter. It didn't appear he had a future on the outside, and couldn't find a spot amongst all the middle LBs.
RT Breno Giacomini. Via Facebook. Again, I'm surprised it took this long. He looks the part but struggles blocking anyone with speed. Particularly damning: he couldn't beat out Barbre last preseason for the starting RT job.
DE Jarius Wynn. It was going to be a battle to keep his roster spot after they drafted Neal, and it isn't like he's done a lot either. He's showed some promise at times, but he's also gotten called out publicly by Mike McCarthy for his effort.
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You caught one that I didn’t. Good news for Marshall Newhouse then if Giacomini is cut.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Giacomini is Practice Squad eligible
Anyone thinks he lands there? I could see it.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Yep.
As irritated as I am with Ted at other positions, the OL depth is very good.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it is
but McDonald is terrible. At least when I saw him play. At least Barbre was a better OG!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
If Blackmon's interested...
… I bet they bring him back in a couple of weeks.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions
I can see the Ravens taking him.
To many teams in need of a return guy. If he can stay healthy for a few weeks he could probably replace another injured return guy.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
So who is going to return punts?
I will slap anyone who says Sam Shields. He’s not a punt returner he’s a gunner. Are we looking at the Jordy Nelson show again this year?
Nelson/Williams most likely
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Maybe Jackson
Whoever it will be, our return game is gonna hurt this year. Not that Blackmon was all that great, but he was better than other options we have.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Blackmon had his moments of great
Especially in the punt returning….he just had a feel for it. He was just the right amount of shifty. Unfortunately the Packers couldn’t count on him anymore due to the constant stream of injuries.
Like I’ve said before, it’s a shame that Blackmon wasn’t eligible for the PUP. It would be perfect to just stash him away there.
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think they'll ask him to come back if their return games sucks...
… and when it becomes obvious (again) that having Jarret Bush on the team is stupid.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Then they'd better not reach an injury settlement with him
If they do that to go cheap then they can’t bring him back on till week 10. Way too late to have any substantial impact.
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I thought if they reached an injury settlement they could bring him back after 4 weeks..
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson/Nelson is my guess.
They’re probably opting for safety over production…
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Prepare for lots of underwhelming
Don’t get me wrong, Nelson is very competent, but not very shifty. Actually I would rather see him on KR where it’s just hit the hole and run like hell.
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely agree.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Williams
Definately still upset at West for dropping so many passes. They better not keep West!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I liked Joseph.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed
Seemed like a numbers thing. Maybe would’ve had a chance if Chillar had been able to make the switch to OLB.
Not surprised
I would expect McDonald to go next.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Did he do something that I missed?
He seemed to completely disappear in games….nothing really sticks out in my mind. Hell, Barbie might of even outplayed him.
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
From JS...
“All indications are that undrafted rookie OL Nick McDonald has made the 53-man roster. A lot of teams were interested in him based on his play in preseason games and the Packers apparently aren’t willing to trade or cut him. Not sure what that means for Dietrich-Smith.”
There is always someone like this on our roster.
A guy who really hasn’t shown all that much but the front office loves em. Not that concerned until Colledge goes down. OOPS! If Colledge goes down.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Well if Colledge and Clifton both go down
Cause if only one goes down then we see Lang or Bulaga
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
A little bit of one.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
I would have thought with Bulaga looking like a good replacement at Guard, that the pack would cut McDonald and keep another spot elsewhere on the roster.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Three fullbacks again
Do you ever get the feeling that some roster moves are like a bad penny? They keep coming up. Three FBs again….and Jarret Bush.
Yes.
I do. That’s the bad that comes with the good Thompson offers. But it’s frustrating.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well at least we know what the weird move is going to be
Another year of three FB’s…and the departure of Havner. I really didn’t see that one coming…well maybe after the draft but they practically limited through the back half of the pre-season with him while the rested everyone else.
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Brandon Jackson has "play not to lose" all over him...
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
Supposedly he's gotten his head on straight
Changed everything about his routines….from the way he works out to the way he eats his breakfast. All in the hope of getting more explosion and production.
Not sure if I buy it, but from the report I read he’s got his wife nagging him to keep the habit up. If there is anythign I know about wives, is that they are good at that.
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
How was he eating his breakfast before?
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Wait, that's the WRONG way?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, well yeah..
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Do the socks have to be on your feet? Cause I eat my breakfast w/o pants but I wear a sock to keep my junk warm.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Too much information . . .
would be if I told you what I did with that sock the night before.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If I could take my junk back I would . . .
But it’s too late to take my junk back, so we’ll all just have to move forward with it.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean I’ll move forward with it. Not “we”
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
As it stands I was just offering advice to my fellow Packer fans
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad that won't make him more talented.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
So any guesses as to what Havner did to get cut?
Do you think that it’s drunken motorcycle accident? The promise of Quarless and Crabtree? The fact that he was essentially forgotten by coverage last year?
D. All of the above.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Havner never made plays!
He was either wide open due to a lack of coverage or Rodgers threw him open! Kinda like I’ve said all along!..
Only one I'm really surprised at is Havner
The guy contributed on special teams, defense, and offense. Sounds like a valuable player to me. Unfortunately, I don’t think you can keep 5 tight ends, and cutting Donald Lee would have been awful too. The guy is the ultimate professional. I feel bad for Blackmon too. I really wanted to see him succeed as a Packer. The guy has got the athleticism to be real dangerous back there.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Why is everyone surprised about Havner?
Being wide, wide open in the NFL is usually the result of one of two things: 1) breakdown in coverage. Talent not a factor. Or 2) Being Randy Moss fast.
Besides, anyone who’s seen the tape knows the man doesn’t eat breakfast properly.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
Because of the Jarrett Bush Rule
If you “Know the System” you can ride a roster for years.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
A corollary of this rule is the Versitility clause
Havner can play offense, defense, and ST. That can be extremely valuable.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
I thought the Jarrett Bush Rule
stated that if you have a family member of the front office held hostage in your basement, you make the team.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s the Jarrett Bush CLAUSE.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Don't even get me started on the Justin Harrell rule.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Really, it boils down to Spencer Havner, Tom Crabtree, and Korey Hall
Havner is the best on ST of the 3.
Hall (Kuhn’s clone) will get playing time because the team can’t figure out who’s better (Kuhn or Hall) after several years.
Crabtree can block.
What it really boils down to is this: If our ST is so bad, why do we cut one of our best ST coverage guys to keep on other players that won’t get much playing time either?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Our special teams was terrible…and these were the good guys of that group? None of them provided ANY other value to the team and yet the only place where they excelled was the worst part of our team last year. That alone makes them very CUT worthy in my book.
So why didn't we cut the weak links?
Like Korey Hall. Havner was better than Hall on ST.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
This really needs to be the go to answer
Reporter: “Aaron Rodgers, what could you have done differently to win this game?”
Aaron: “I guess we should have eaten our breakfast properly.”
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Mr. Rodgers....
Have you thought about switching to Wheaties?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Since when did drinking and driving count as special teams?
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
It depends on how many people you wind up hitting.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
If it does, I'm a former special teams ace
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
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"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
8 more cuts.
News has kinda slowed down.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
My Prediction
West, Williams, Graham Harrell, Simpkins, Francois, Clark, Chris Bryan and Anthony “CockTackle” Levine.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
jarret bush
y is he still on the roster again especially after the pitt game
Haven't heard of the Jarrett Bush Clause, huh?
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have thought it was common knowledge by now.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
JS Online has the breakdown of the 53...but no names
2 QB, 5 RB, 5 WR, 4 TE, 10 OL, 6 DL, 8 LB, 10 DB, 3 ST
We know the QB’s and RB’s.
We know four of the WR’s.
We know the TE’s.
Fairly sure on the OL and DL.
8 LB’s might be light on LB’s
10 DBs there could be some question
and then to figure out the punter.
So what's the Justin Harrell Rule?
Is that the “no have back, no can cut” rule?
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 3:44 PM CDT reply actions
Damn!
We could have traded Havner (instead of releasing him) for this guy: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/15739/another-something-for-nothing-in-detroit
I mean… as it stands now, we got nothing for him, but could have gotten something in an area of weakness. If the guy doesn’t work out? Then cut him.
Gronkowski
Is a MUCH better TE than Havner could ever hope to be! His brother is in NE and has made the roster! Denver got a better player than we what we were offering in Havner!!!
apparently it didn't...
Besides Denver traded Scheffler to Detroit. This coule have been the conclusion to the Scheffler deal. And Denver needed a TE that could actually play TE, not fake it! We were offering Havner and Detroit was offering Gronkowski. Denver chose to take the better player. How can that surprise you? Doesn’t matter how much you think of Havner or his alleged versatility, its Gronkowski’s abiltiy at TE that Denver wanted.
4th string
Don’t know about 4th string or not, but he’s behind Pettigrew (a 1st rd pick) and Scheffler who’s a great reciever at TE! Nothing to be ashamed of by any means. I don’t know the other TE, but don’t sell Gronkowski short! He and his brother played at U of Arizona, and they were both highly regarded TE prospects in the draft!!! They are both going to be starting in the NFL in a year or two… Both are going to be really good TE’s!
Definitely time
to cut Bush, trimming Bush not enough
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 4:30 PM CDT reply actions
Bush
I havent noticed Bush`s name keeping or cutting him! PLEASE tell me he got cut ,either he get burned or flagged every time hes on defense!!!
I'm sorry to say I think he's sticking
Good news though is that he’s probably on the chopping block when Harris and or Bigby come back
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
10 Minutes left
And still 63 men on the 53 man roster.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Harrell
Harrell should have been cut and kept Havner! I know they dont play the same position,but at least Havners out there ,and you hear his name every once in awhile! If or When Harrells out there you never hear his name ,usually cause hes in the trainers room!
From Adam Schefter:
Chargers cut former Bears CB Nathan Vasher.
Worth a shot? He can’t be worse than Bush…right?
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
Actually, he can.
The Bares’ secondary sucked with him last year; now, he isn’t even good enough for them.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Didn't he used to be good?
What happened?
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 4, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He made the Pro Bowl based on stats
Had some interceptions the year the Bares made the Super Bowl. Interceptions + wins = Pro Bowl. Interceptions more likely result of the zone scheme with good quarterback pressure than actualy skill.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 4, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, I remember
Actually, he had a couple REALLY long int. returns. One for, like, 109 yards.
…no, the other return was when he reached back to field a missed FG that was going out of the endzone and then took it back all the way. …wanna’ say it was against the Giants.
…in any event, that was a long time ago.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Vasher could be used as a return guy. He’s pretty fast.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
RE: Punt Returner
An all-state selection at both cornerback and wide receiver at Texas High School in Texarkana, Texas, Vasher was recruited by the University of Texas at Austin. He started at strong safety for the Longhorns in 2001 and at cornerback in 2002 and 2003. He intercepted 17 passes in his college career, tying the school record. He also returned punts and earned All-America honors as a punt returner in 2001.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 4, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
we'll be pretty far down the waiver wire
I don’t know if we’ll have the opportunity to get him, but signing him as KR is not a bad idea.
But we don’t want to get CBs from the Bears, generally speaking. With the Tampa 2 they run, the CBs are typically not going to suit our game.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
we’ll be pretty far down the waiver wire
Good point.
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 4, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
He might be worth a shot. We’re not talking about lining him up as a starter, but he could be a better option than Bush or Lee.
I’ll reserve judgement until I see what other DBs get released
"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne
by dishingoutdimes on Sep 4, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
right, better than Bush or Lee...good point
Okay, you got me there.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Anything is worth a shot
But Vasher would qualify as a free agent, and Ted Thompson doesn’t hire free agents.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Isn't he the guy that spaced off Jennings on the game winner last year?
…or was that Tillman? I can’t keep them straight
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
It was Vasher… And Jennings ran by him like he was standing still. Vasher wasn’t even close when he had man coverage on Jennings! His best days, which were never that great, are FAR behind him. If he was a great return man anymore why did the bears bother to draft Hester to take that job! Granted Hester was great at it, but if you already have a good return man you don’t generally spend a 2nd rd pick to get another one!!!
Well, on the play I’m thinking of, the DB got beat because he hesitated, not because of a lack of speed.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Your talking about the game winning TD, right?
Does it matter why he hesitated? He got beat like a drum… He had man coverage and Jennings ran right past him. WOuld you be making excuses for him if it was Hester that ran by Tramon Williams? No, you would be pointing out that he got beat! Plain and simple…
Yeah, that's the play
I’m not making excuses. But you said he got beat because he’s slow, and I’m pointing out that speed wasn’t the reason he got beat.
The difference is that a guy who has abiltity (you can’t coach speed) might still be worth a look for us even if he’s bad with assignments.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
assignments
Assignments (and lack of ST play) are what got Smith released last year at this time and why Rouse got released 2 weeks into the season! Coaches won’t play someone who is bad w/ assignments. Sounds like more excuses for his getting beat to me… Not to be argumentative.
Like I said, it doesn’t matter why he got beat, just that he DID get beat!
Smith & Rouse couldn’t return kicks.
Also, as was said earlier, he couldn’t be worse than Bush or Lee. At least Vasher has some point in his career that you can point to and say “see, this guy took some initiative and made a play here.” Bush, especially, just jogs around till the whistle blows, then jogs up, touches the pile, straightens his helmet, and walks away.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Bush maybe
But Bush plays on all the ST units, even if you don’t think he does it very well. Vasher hasn’t played ST for a long time from what I can remember. Lee at least is young enough to have the potential to get better, whereas Vasher is playing out the string and not very effectively either!
Smith and Rouse didn’t contribute ANYTHING on ST… We don’t know if Vasher is better at ST then either Bush or Lee, though I’m sure you would say he can… You still don’t know.
Bush (or Lee) will be gone when Harris is back…
Macho Harris
Eagles Released Him. Was Pretty Impressive In College. Still young and raw.
JSOnline says Lee is out.
I don’t know what the hell is going on. Lee’s out but Bush is in? I’m not high on Lee either, but come on… Bush’s play against the Chiefs erased the last 2 years?
So Woodson, Williams, Shields, Underwood and Bush at CB? That sound like a title winning set of CB’s to you?
Tell me I’m missing somebody, or someone, or they made a move I just haven’t heard about.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 6:04 PM CDT reply actions
Un. Real.
Bush will be cut when Favre retires.
Every year they cut good players to keep this guy around. It’s just unbelievable.
This just makes me way angrier than it has a right to. But, seriously, I like TT, but I’d be okay with him getting canned if it meant we could finally cut Jarrett Bush.
…another season of watching his suckitude…
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking this earlier...
everyone was saying when Harris got back Bush would get cut…and I was thinking all along it was Lee. Lee did absolutely NOTHING this preseason. At least I heard Bush’s name on some of the calls and some of the intra squad games. Plus he’s an above average to very good special teamer.
Don’t be surprised if Bush doesn’t make it on the field as the dime or even nickle.
correction...
dime or nickle, every now and then…not full time.
Um.....yeah
If Pat Lee is cut, I’m really nervous about our CB situation. Is Bush > Lee? I don’t think so!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I was high on Lee coming into training camp but
I never saw him make a play not one. May have missed something but not one. I’m not a Bush fan but when our 2nd team was out there in the last preseason game he made a couple impressive plays. Still not happy but Lee really disappointed.
I was thinking Lee's number..
..was up all along. I mean, I rarely heard ANYTHING positive out of Lee this Training camp.
graham harrell's out
Adam_Schefter
Packers released, amongst others, tackle Breno Giacomini, quarterback Graham Harrell, tight end Spencer Havner
The Dude abides
Per Packers.com...Final Cut List
Packers Release 20 Players, Will Place Two On Injured Reserve
Released Saturday were:
punter Chris Bryan
tackle Chris Campbell
wide receiver Jason Chery
cornerback D.J. Clark
center/guard Evan Dietrich-Smith
wide receiver Charles Dillon
linebacker Robert Francois
tackle Breno Giacomini
quarterback Graham Harrell
tight end Spencer Havner
linebacker Alex Joseph
safety Anthony Levine
running back Kregg Lumpkin
linebacker Cyril Obiozor
linebacker Maurice Simpkins
defensive end Ronald Talley
nose tackle Anthony Toribio
wide receiver Chastin West
wide receiver Patrick Williams
defensive end Jarius Wynn.
Tackle/guard Allen Barbre and safety Will Blackmon will be placed on injured reserve.
wow thanks...
I agree with all these moves.
but where is Pat Lee?
Must have been a false alarm.
The cut down blog entry previously said Lee had been told he was cut, now says he has NOT been told he was cut.
Didn’t make any damn sense to me that they’d let him go, even though he’d done so little to stay, there just aren’t any better alternatives on the roster.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
did Quinn JOhnson make the team?
that’s a surprise..
McCarthy wold field 11 FB/TE types on offense if they let him.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You must have missed the bone jawing hits Johnson had on Special Teams
The cat can tackle.
"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
I read/remember it differently.
But it’s possible I misread it earlier, I guess. The sentence is structured so passively that I might have just missed the “not” and assumed that someone who gets paid to write for a living wouldn’t write that way.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, that makes it a little easier to stomach Bush not being cut. I don’t like it when he even hangs on to the bottom of the roster, but keeping him over just about anybody else drives me nuts.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
A little.
But only because Blackmon is hurt. If he wasn’t I’d move him back to CB and keep him over Bush.
Hell, I might have moved Havner to CB and kept him over Bush.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
No kidding
I mean, give Swain a five minute crash course and I’d rather have him at CB.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He's big enough that if he gets his hands on 'em at the line, they ain't gettin' up.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Another thing that drives me nuts about it…
Jarrett Bush gets paid over a million dollars to do what he does.
Think about that.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
a million frickin’ dollars to jump offsides on kickoffs and nullify punt returns with clips.
…not to mention getting absolutely raped everytime he’s in on defense…
And, for that… a million dollars.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 4, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
give it a rest.
We all know of your hatred of Bush by now… It was pretty clear to almost everyone else that Bush was making it temporarily when Harris and Bigby went on PUP. Its really tiring.
The problem with Jarrett Bush is…..who whould replace him. We cut ONE cornerback and that was D.J. Clark. So, Would you rather have Bush or Clark? It would be different if we had two more kids like Sam Shields. Then Bush and Lee would have been cut. Most of us could see that Bush’s job was safe, since no FA or Drafted Cornerbacks on the roster. Chances are that when Harris comes off the PUP, we will have already lost someone for the year that we can put on IR.
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I think the JS online thing said that Lee had made the team
It was just listed among all of the cuts.
by PackApologist on Sep 4, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Nick Collins?
Nahhh, Jordy Nelson is all likelihood.
That's troubling
I trust Brandon Jackson for Kick Returns, but he hasn’t ever tried out as a Punt Returner.
TT and McCarthy could be playing the game though. They may indeed still sign Chery yet or some other Punt Returner for a lower salary. So I guess it’s a little too early to panic.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Wan't he already at the minimum?
Or was that a rhetorical question?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh
IDK. coaches do that once in a while where they make an offer, then cut, and resign at a lower contract. i wasn’t aware that it was at league minimum…not that i’m surprised. sorry for the confusion.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
So, 5 TE's and 3 FBs
wow I would rather have a 4/2 TE/FB. I think I might have kept Obiozer or Joseph and maybe kept a Blackmon just in case. I think when Harris comes back, me thinks Q is gone.
From JSO (says Inj. Settlement, not IR for two players)
The Packers officially released the cuts to the media. Here they are:
* P Chris Bryan
* OT Chris Campbell
* WR Jason Chery
* CB D.J. Clark
* C Evan Dietrich-Smith
* WR Charles Dillon
* LB Robert Francois
* OT Breno Giacomini
* QB Graham Harrell
* TE Spencer Havner
* LB Alex Joseph
* S Anthony Levine
* RB Kregg Lumpkin
* LB Cyril Obiozor
* LB Maurice Simpkins
* DE Ronald Talley
* NT Anthony Toribio
* WR Chastin West,
* WR Patrick Williams
* DE Jarius Wynn
In other moves, the Packers place S Will Blackmon and OT Allen Barbre on injured reserve. Sources said they then reached injury settlements with both players. However many weeks the players are paid for, that’s how long they remain on injured reserve. Then they are released.
ON punt returns...
On second thought, just having a sure handed punt returner (like Jordy Nelson) is all we need, given our high powered, high octane offense. Ditto with kick returner. We just need guys who won’t drop it. Lots of boring returns this year.
Is Starks on the PUP?
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks.
I thought so, but I couldn’t recall.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Which do you prefer?
Draft Day speculation or Cut Down Day speculation?
I prefer Cut Down Day speculation. Not that I like seeing anyone LOSE a job, but I do like seeing the final roster come together.
I was thinking almost the exact same thing about an hour ago.
It is about the toughest job that the GM and coach have, and it is a rotten day for the players getting cut, but, the news comes at a faster pace, it involves more players and, as you alluded to, seeing the final roster come together with the opener looming just a week away makes for much more excitement.
Plus, it isn’t spread out over three days, descending from most anticipated to least, like the draft.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Someone made a good point...
when Harris comes back in about 6 weeks, we will probably have an injury by then…so Bush might be with us all year!
It’s possible…
Ha ha
The devil in me thought of that as well…
Ryan Torain was cut by Washington...
… if he’s healthy, I’d go after him. I know they won’t, but I think they should. He’s more dynamic than Jackson and he’s been in a one cut zone blocking scheme all offseason in Washington. I’d take him over a third FB.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 4, 2010 8:10 PM CDT reply actions
He had a bad ACL tear in college
but if that checks out and he runs well in a workout, I wouldn’t mind it.
Toribo was picked up by the Chiefs I heard.
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
RB added
According to Packers.com we signed RB James Johnson, 1st year RB out of Kansas St.
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