NFL Roster Cuts: The Practice Squad Is Set
by Brandon on Sep 6, 2010 7:00 AM CDT
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You can feel the tension even when reading the transcript. It was not a typical press conference for Green Bay Packers GM Ted Thompson on Sunday. The "I don't think that is your business" answer to a question about roster claims? Make sure to never ask him a real personal question. At least two reporters agreed that it was a "contentious" one, though Greg Bedard tweeted that it's been a tough week. And yes, the Packers couldn't find a single player worth a waiver claim, and that seems impossible to me. Moving on...
The Press-Gazette has the practice squad list, and there is room for just one more player on it:
QB Graham Harrell. They needed a 3rd QB who could be kept on the practice squad, and Harrell was probably the best option. They can't sign a veteran QB because no one on the practice squad can have been active for more than 8 games in a single season. Harrell's familiar with the system, he had a ton of experience in college, and looked decent this preseason.
LB Robert Francois. As I said earlier, I'm glad to see him on the practice squad.
S Anthony Levine. I've seen flashes of talent in coverage. He didn't deserve to make the 53-man roster due to poor tackling, but I'm willing to give him another chance as a practice squad player.
LB Maurice Simpkins. I hesitate calling him a LB. I think they'd move DE Cullen Jenkins to LB, as was previously threatened, before they'd let Simpkins play. But he's got potential as a special teams ace. He was flying around against the Chiefs. At least there's a chance he would contribute if he was signed to the 53-man roster.
RT Breno Giacomini. They had to battle the Vikings for him? OK, he's 6'7", 318 lbs, and it appears that he's got a long wingspan (I don't have the combine results). Physically, he looks like a prototype left tackle. But every so often he gets beat on a speed rush, and that is coming against second team players. He'd get a QB killed if he was a starter. And I don't think he'll figure it out if he hasn't figured it out already. Maybe that's just fine since this is only the practice squad after all.
WR Chastin West. I don't see any reason to keep around. He was awful against the Chiefs as a receiver, but he was given an opportunity as a returner. The only reason to keep him over WR Jason Chery is that West didn't drop any kick or punt returns that I can recall. But there had to be another receiver on waivers that was better than him.
OL Chris Campbell. Ugh. The list just gets worse the longer it goes on. I want Giacomini to go away, but he's much better than Campbell.
This list just stinks of not wanting to claim or sign any other team's rejects without a workout first. Since RB Kregg Lumpkin was claimed off waivers, they'll have to find another RB for the practice squad since they usually have at least one. The practice squad is very fluid over the course of the season, so this isn't anything to get hung up about.
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Yeah, there was also a point where he thought out loud about the possibility that the reporters were lying to him. “You guys might be lying to me” he said.
Not exactly Dale Carnegie there…
Although it’s not quite to the level of “Boy, you guys must think I’m dumb” a la Bill Parcells. And it’s certainly not a “I’m 40, I’m a man!” or “They are who we thought they were” melt-down type thing. He just got a little testy with the press corp. Nothing to see here. Move along.
I would’ve kept Lumpkin over Jarrett Bush. We could’ve overcome the ST deficiency by having Slocum get Kregg up to speed on how to clip and jump offsides. “See, Kregg, in this situation, we’re about to have a good return, so what you wanna’ do is get your hands around to the guy’s back so it gets called back, you see? Like this. That’s it!”
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 6, 2010 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Practice Squad
I’m glad Graham Harrell, Robert Francois, and Breno Giacomini landed a spot on our PS. They are probably our best players on the PS! As for Breno’s choice to stay as opposed to go to MN, is that an act of loyalty or what? We did after all remain loyal to him as he was hit hard with the injury bug.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Paid
Apparently the Packers paid Breno more than the minimum to keep him in GB! Didn’t know you could do that… Packers outbid Minn to keep him in GB! I don’t recall Breno being injured much. Just the one last offseason that kept him out of OTA’s and the like… Don’t recall the injury but thats the only one he had and it happened in one of the last games his rookie season.
Lemme get this right.... TT is testy w/ the media???
The same guy that watched his franchise QB get killed last yr – because HE failed to upgrade the O line – and then had to BEG Tausher to get off the couch and suit up.
The same guy that watched his secondary get destroyed by every legit QB they faced last yr, and yet didn’t draft a single CB, even though Harris is old and coming off major knee surgery. Didn’t draft a CB – didn’t trade for a CB – and didn’t sign a FA CB. [Shields doesn’t count]
The same guy that drafted J Harrell w/ the 16th overall pick, even though most scouts said he was a 2nd round pick – IF he was healthy…. but TT won’t cut him.
The same guy that signed how many FAs in five yrs??? Two? Three?
Free Agency is a major part of the business, and the fact that TT thumbs his nose at it just goes to show how ignorant & arrogant the man can be.
Yep, the story on TT is correct – he can build a team to repectability, but can’t get it over the hump. His last yr in Seattle they signed 3 FA and went 9-7. The yr after he left, they signed 10 FAs, went 13-3, and went to the Super Bowl.
GB will be the youngest team in the league for the fourth yr in a row!! That ain’t good. If GB can’t win a PO game this yr, TT should be fired – and deservedly so.
So…. the man w/ a Super Bowl offense will squander it away again because of his stubborness and ineptness. F**k him.
Wow.
TT Hater to a massive degree?
One can argue the team shouldn’t have released Tauscher, instead putting him on PUP to start out the year.
Maybe this year, TT grabs John Moffitt in the NFL Draft. You can’t have too much OL depth, and he would definitely push Colledge.
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 6, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me ask you something
What’s the difference between resigning your players compared to signing free agents from others teams? That’s right, no difference. Although I guess you would have prefered us to sign someone like Jon Runyan for a year as opposed to Mark Tauscher for a couple years. Resigning your own players DOES count as signing free agents as they ARE free agents!!!!!
You want new guys in? Who? That’s going to be the question EVERY time someone brings up the lack of free agents. Lito Sheppard for CB? He was released from the Jets because he wasn’t playing well. MN fans are already complaining about his suckitude, and he’s now their 4th string CB! That’s who you wanted to bring in?! Well guess what…..he’s your only option!!!!!!!!!!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
It's TTs job to find players - whether in the draft, free agency, or via trade.
The majority of elite teams have one or two impact players that were brought in from somewhere else.
Just sayin….
The cb market has been sh*ttastic ever since the nmadi deal.
one or two impact players? charles woodson, ryan pickett, and ryan grant count (i’ll leave al harris off the list)?
Depth needs improvement at olb and cb though. i’ll give you that much.
Nmandi
was an extra on the TNT show “Leverage” I watched this weekend. I thought that was pretty cool.
by gern blanston on Sep 7, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate vague expressions like "majority of elite teams"
There aren’t mulitiple elite teams. Thre are a few. Colts. Pats. Then there is going to be a drop off from there.
Colts rarely bring in outsiders. Pats will do so only when they have to.
The rest of the league is trying to just keep up with these guys really, unless you are going to call teams like the Vikings or Chargers elite teams…and really I don’t think those teams have been good enough long enough to qualify.
Ravens might work for your metric of elite, but really they only add one or two players in from the outside and only at positions they just cannot draft well at, see WR.
by PackApologist on Sep 6, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You missed the point
The few elite teams don’t use Free Agency unless they absolutely HAVE to. In their case, it’s a very RARE occurance. I can’t think of one free agent Indy signed. The only one I can think of for Pittsburgh is James Harrison, who used to play in Pittsburgh, and happens to be an undrafted free agent (that doesn’t count though- Sheilds). New England got Leigh Bodden because they were struggling to find CB’s in the draft (he’s not that good anyways) and Randy Moss (because they couldn’t draft good WR’s). Same for Wes Welker.
So you got only 1 team of the elite class that uses free agents today. Oh, wait a sec, that was out of desperation wasn’t it? Because when they were winning Superbowls, they NEVER used free agency. They established their foundation through the draft.
The point it, you build your team through the draft. You only go after free agents if it doesn’t hurt your team in any way and if they are actually considered an upgrade at a position.
We could have overpaid OLB Joey Porter. He’s 33 years old, past his prime, not as fast as he used to be, and could never stop the run.
We could have signed CB Lito Sheppard. We’d overpay him. He’d suck like he did in NY, just as he is now in MN, and he would be just a tad bit better than Jarret Bush.
Elite teams only target certain free agents. The ones that will contribute.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Agree with a lot
New England uses free agency extensively 5-6 years ago Adalius Thomas, Fred Taylor, Rodney Harrison, the Sandiego hall of famer name excapes me.I would say they used it as much as anyone in the past. It seemed they signed 3-4 a year in their Super Bowl years usually a seemingly insignificant player but fit there scheme very well. Never paid a lot of money.
I agree with you though they use it very little now(Fred Taylor only recent one I can think of) as most teams won’t let a decent player go. Most of the most successful long term winners use it very little San Diego, Pitts, Indianapolis. They let some one else overpay for a player they do not want.
Jabooty I agree with your major point but New England during there Super Bowl years is a real bad example.
i think what we can learn from new england is only make deals with oakland
Breno is big and has a ridiculous 40 time im shocked al davis won’t give us a first round draft pick for him.
Agree....
I feel the same way. We are too close this year to be complacent. I think TT made the right decision not dipping into free agency this year. There was a bunch of bums in there that wanted crazy salaries. What I don’t agree with is TT not doing anything over this past weekend. There were a few players that got traded that I wish we traded for. A. Barnes olb, former ravens, now eagles. And David Jones cb former begal, now jaguar. Barnes would have been a good situational pass rusher and jones would have been a solid nickel corner back. There are guys that we should have tried to put in claims for. Some example of this is Brandon McDonald cb and Stefan Logan kr/pr. Putting tramon Williams back there to return put is dangerous with our depth at cornerback.
by PACK3RS on Sep 6, 2010 6:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't have minded seeing
I usually don’t bitch about Ted to much, but I would have liked to seen us pick up Stefan Logan he’s quite electric as a returner. I would think that would help our ST’s more than a 3rd FB that helps on ST’s. Combine that with putting Tramon Williams at added risk of injury and he’s not very good at it IMO.
Bums
There was a bunch of bums in there that wanted crazy salaries.
That is the case every year, anymore.
Has been since before TT’s arrival in Green Bay.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Free Agency
Free Agency is a major part of the business, and the fact that TT thumbs his nose at it just goes to show how ignorant & arrogant the man can be.
The fact is that Mr. Thompson does not thumb his nose at free agency.
What some people are not intelligent enough to understand is that, when you re-sign your own best free agents, and thus, prevent them from going to your competition, that is participating in free agency!
However, when TT’s participation in free agency doesn’t take the form that some prefer, they get their panties all in a bundle and reduce themselves to coming across like your typical JSonline forum poster (unless, of course, that is the way they are all the time; in which case, it is not a reduction).
That, to me, “just goes to show how ignorant … [some] can be”, lol.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Plus,
that doesn’t even get into the many free agents that TT has signed from other teams since he has been our GM.
Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett and Brandon Chillar, to name just a few.
They may not be the ‘big name’, over-priced (and mostly under-valued) free agents that are the first to be signed (by the likes of owners like Dan Snyder in Washington) in the initial days of the UFA signing period that you want him to sign, but they are free agents just the same.
And, they don’t undermine the chemistry of the team by being paid exponentially more than the stars that are already here.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Beg
Thompson didn’t have to beg Tauscher to get off the couch!!! Tauscher was rehabbing a knee injury and was a free agent!!! Soon as his knee was ready Tauscher was re-signed. Thats all there ever was to it!
FA is a joke now… Very few if any FA make teams better anymore! Look at the list of FA signings that have blown up in team faces in the past few year! The list is long…
Really… F**K you, cuz if you don’t know the facts or even acknowledge them you don’t deserve to even comment about it!!!
RB added.
According to Packers.com we signed RB James Johnson, 1st year RB out of Kansas St.
Anything known about him?
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 6, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
A 5-foot-11, 207-pound first-year player out of Kansas State, Johnson entered the NFL as a non-drafted free agent in 2008 with the Cincinnati Bengals. He played in four games in ’08 for Cincinnati, spent time on the Bengals’ practice squad in 2008 and 2009, and was with Cincinnati during the preseason this year. Johnson also was with the Minnesota Vikings this offseason. He will wear No. 39.
From the Packers site.
Looks to have had a very good year college year in 2007. Only played in 4 games for the Bengals (looks like in a minor role in even those). The Bengals stats make him look like he may have good hands.
What will his role be?
Is he best known for his speed? He is small afterall. Does anybody know anything about this guy?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
What will his role be?
Roster placeholder, until Starks is ready?
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The glass is way more than half-full.
I'm going on record as saying this team may give up the all-time record for pass yards allowed
They’re screwed – you’re gonna see lots of shootouts, that’s forsure.
And I don’t hate TT as much as it might seem – i just think he’s overrated, and lacks accountability.
I think your going a little over the top here…a record? Pul-eeze! Our nickel and dime situations are better then last season, and when Harris gets back things should improve even more. I still think we’ll be in shootouts with other good teams but one thing to keep in mind is we’ll be putting up big numbers against good defenses too. The reality is, a good offense usually gets the better of a good defense in today’s pass heavy game.
I don’t think he’s overrated, just very stubborn and arrogant. There’s no doubt he should be more active in free agency. Adding a couple of veterans to some weak spots could help the team. But at the same time, this years free agency wasn’t too great.
by packallday555 on Sep 6, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree about this FA class being weak.
I’m also not saying TT should throw big $$$ at FAs, cuz that can really come back to bite a team.
But there has to be a happy medium, IMO. Most elite teams have one or two impact players that were brought in from somewhere else.
And Woodson & Pickett were great FA acquisitions – that’s what confuses me about TT…. most of his outside moves have been good: Woodson, Pickett, Grant
I think he only goes after guys that he’s confident will end up panning out. I agree there needs to be a happy medium but like I already touched on there just wasn’t much in FA. (Or at least at the positions we were in need of)
by packallday555 on Sep 6, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair Enough
but there hasn’t been another Woodson or Pickett in Free Agency since then….unless you want to pay guys like Haynesworth and Peppers a QB’s salary.
If I’m wrong on this, please give me a list of free agents that could help us this season and the next.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
RB's
this season there were a whole host of veteran running backs that for the most part would have come cheap and would have at least given us better depth their. it would have been nice to have one fighting for a roster spot on a short term contract…. not really good options at our major positions of need.
IMO
you should go back to the JSonline forums, which are teeming with your ilk.
Just sayin…
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Victor S.
You mention a few mistakes Ted Thompson has made but forgot to mention some good things. He does like to stay away from free agency but do you remembember Woodson played for the Raiders and was not a draft pick. Also, I just read that the Packers are picked unanimously to be the NFC representative in the super bowl. This may or may not happen (they still have to play the games) but it appears most sports autorities feel GB is fine and TT is a fine GM. And, to be a super bowl pick with the YOUNGEST team in the NFL-WOW- that is amazing and also means the Pack if they win the SB will be more than a 1 year wonder like many teams are. The NFL’s next dynasty could be GB!!!! Be happy, be proud butdon’t be a hater.
Keep in mind that players have to be “right” for the system the Packers use and just because their good and available doesn’t mean they are “right” for the Packers…We fans have other careers and watch football as a special interest. TT has made it his career and his life which might mean he knows more about the game, the players and the NFL infrastructure than you do. So, just sit back and enjoy what looks to be a pretty good season!!!
I'm really not a TT hater - he's done some really good things
I just wanted to point out some of his flaws, which may cost this team a title, in my humble opinion.
I love the pack, and always hope for the best – but I’m also not a blind homer.
I wouldn't consider myself a homer either
My problem is that your “finding flaws” is typically grossly exagerating the existing problems.
For example, the typical complaint that apart from Woodson and Harris the corners are garbage. Williams is better than you give him credit for. He’s a solid starter who will continue to grow through out this year. In fact, Harris has a pretty good chance to be garbage this year since he is coming off the knee and pretty long in the tooth. The rest need to be sorted out this year and it will probably painful to see what happens.
As for the not dipping into free agency and such…well you need to find a guy worth going after in order to make a move. Making a move for the shear purpose of doing something is how most bottom dwelling franchises end up where they are at. It’s how a team like Chicago can go from SB contender to barely making .500. Be careful what you wish for.
by PackApologist on Sep 6, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
can I add...
that once you target that guy, you have to be able to slot his salary to be inline with the other guys on the team. If you get into a bidding war, then the other guys in the locker room start thinking they deserve a raise as well.
Another thing to consider is the growth of guys already on the roster. For example, where would we be with Jennings if we had brought Randy Moss in? Or to flip that around, would we still have Rodgers if we let Brett continue to rule the show?
by gern blanston on Sep 7, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Another thing to consider is the growth of guys already on the roster. For example, where would we be with Jennings if we had brought Randy Moss in? Or to flip that around, would we still have Rodgers if we let Brett continue to rule the show?
Great point.
by packallday555 on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
We really could have the next dynasty. Our offense certainly looks like it will great for years and years too come. We’ve got a couple of young guys on defense to build around as well.
by packallday555 on Sep 6, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Put Giacomini on the d line I bet hed block some passes for sure!Id really like to see the Pack get Blount from the Titans .yes hes had some anger issues but i saw him play his jr year at Oregon and he was a very good back, even in the nfl if you get caught punching someone, you dont lose the whole year!
buccaneers claimed legarrete blount off waivers and signed chris bryan, the aussie punter that we cut. sigh
Bryan got picked up too? I think that makes 6 Packers players claimed off of waivers. That leads the league. Obviously Green Bay is one of the first places teams look for depth needs. Says a lot about Thompson and our talent evaluators.
by packallday555 on Sep 6, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd just like to say thank you for putting a picture of Harrell up there.
A lot of us Tech folk are Green Bay fans due to the fact that the Packers signed him.
Thanks again.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
next year
it will be cool to see his progress after being in McCarthy’s QB school.
by gern blanston on Sep 6, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
A lot of us are Packer Fans not only because Graham Harrell was signed, but after 10 years of Spread Football, Green Bay is about the only place we can look for the same kind of offensive excitement. Rodgers does a great job distributing the ball and manages to get to as many receivers as possible. This is a win in my book.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
6 would be great, that was his number in college.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Overall, I think TT has put together a championship offense... at the expense of the D
So I guess we’ll see how that works out for him.
Can't always have both. Every team has a flaw.
I’m used our defense being terrible anyways since the days of Reggie White. Our D was AWFUL! At least now, our D is at least capable of stopping the run, like our D was in the 90’s. In this offense oriented league nowdays though, I’m much happier having a potent offense.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
really good players on D
think of some of the star power we have on D – Clay Matthews, Charles Woodson, Nick Collins are pro bowlers. Pickett, Jenkins, and Barnett are probably a notch below that. That’s 6 guys that don’t come off the field that much. Guys that are serviceable but have potential to raise their level of play are Williams and Raji. We’re going to see the Burnetts, Jones/Zombo’s, Shields etc getting picked on until they raise their level of play. There is still quite a bit of talent on that side of the ball. It’s just that some of it is untested. The coaches and FO guys seem to like what they have and they see these guys more than we do. So, I sort of have to trust them to know what they’re talking about. That does make a few of us nervous, however. I’m cautiously optimistic about the D.
I still think we’ve failed to address the return position. I keep thinking back to the spark that Desmond Howard had for us in the super bowl year and how much of a momentum and game changer he was. It could be the difference maker and we seem to treat it like herpes.
by gern blanston on Sep 7, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts
The Justin Harrel pick pissed me off. But, looking back I now see the reasoning. On offense you “build” your offense around a great QB. On defense, DT is probably the most important spot so you find a good one and “build” around him. TT picked Harrell for this reason and from what I’ve read, other GMs wanted Harrell also. You can’t foresee a players health and the back issues have made it look like a bad pick. Let’s see what Harrell does this year. He only missed 3 days of training camp and 2 of those days were because he became a father. Maybe this will be his coming out year.
For sure the reasoning was there. Our defensive tackles in the 4-3 were nothing more then mediocre. He obviously thought Harrell would be a good one. Like you said, he can’t really help that Harrell got hurt but he did have an injury filled past.
by packallday555 on Sep 6, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly it
Every team has a bust, and this is TT’s one and only bad apple. And to say it’s because he couldn’t stay healthy as opposed to being terrible isn’t too bad of a track record compared to others.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Punt Returner
We’ll have to start trying to block punts instead
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 6, 2010 9:20 PM CDT reply actions
hold up men
need to do a better job IMO. Too often the PR is catching the ball with people right on top of them. This is allegedly one of Bush’s “strengths”
by gern blanston on Sep 7, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Bush
He is known for that, but he definately regressed last year. With that said though, he’s still better than the other CB’s on ST. Pat Lee is AWFUL in ST coverage. He should be good given his size and strength, but I’ve seen guys just blow right past him! It’s probably just a technique issue that hopefully gets resolved soon.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I love how you make stuff up… How could you know Lee is awful in ST? He hasn’t played the past 2 years! Kinda hard to tell if he is awful at ST coverage when he hasn’t done it in his career yet… ANd if he has its been EXTREMELY limited! I know I haven’t seen him on ST coverage units at all in the 2+ yrs he’s been in GB!!!
one game
So on one PREseason game in his 2+ yr career you have already judged him AWFUL (your caps not mine) on ST coverage? Good analysis… For all we know that is the first and only time he’s EVER done it… Glad to see some objectivity out of you! LMAO!
TT does just what the Board wants
he keeps the payroll down and makes the team profitable without a lot of high-paid superstars. This is because GB fans will support the team 100% no matter what kind of product he puts on the field and the suits know it.
I still don’t get why he pays big $$ to those worthless slugs Harrell and Bush, though. Harrell must cut TT’s lawn and Bush must wash his car or something.
BOD
Don’t get paid… So being more profitable doesn’t help them in any way! Only thing that matters is keeping a good salary structure so the players are all happy and the team winning! Harrell has beeen paid his big $$$ a long time ago and his salary this year is less than 1M, and Bush makes 1M. In todays NFL neither salary is what could be called big money!!!
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