Snap Judgment: Saints Defeat Vikings 14-9
Though the New Orleans Saints could become a playoff opponent, I was focused on the play of the Minnesota Vikings. It's good to see them lose a game, but I was interested to see how they lost the game.
- How did QB Brett Favre play without WR Sidney Rice? TE Visanthe Shiancoe did well in the first half, taking advantage of LB Jonathan Vilma in coverage, but the Saints made an adjustment to take him out of the game in the second half. He was their leading receiver, and their second leading receiver was WR Greg Camarillo, who only had one reception and only played late in the 4th quarter. Favre never seemed able to get WR Bernard Berrian involved. It looked like WR Percy Harvin rarely practiced with Favre this preseason (which is partially true) and he only had 1 reception despite being the intended target 5 times. It reminded me of 2006 when Favre only had one reliable receiver (WR Donald Driver) and he struggled as a result. It looks like they miss Rice, and he can't come back fast enough.
- How about their offensive line play? Not great, and Phil Loadholt struggled when he was forced to move over to left tackle. ESPN has reported that LT Bryant McKinnie suffered a finger injury, and it doesn't sound serious. C John Sullivan will never be a great lineman and he got schooled on the only sack they allowed. But they gave RB Adrian Peterson just enough room to find some openings.
- How about their secondary? They struggled early and let the Saints get open deep along the sidelines, but then made some adjustments (maybe their safeties were playing closer to the sidelines?) and the Saints couldn't find the soft spots in the defense afterwards. Not a great game, but they aren't a sieve either.
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If ya ask me, it was a puntfest
But good to see Favre knocked on his primadonna ass a few times. Had to kind of scoff at the Facebook comments made by Viking fans saying things like “Well, wait until a hurricane gets ya again!” and that sort of thing. Good natured hate in sports is one thing, but I thought some comments like that were uncalled for.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
You also have to scoff at Dan Hampton.
“I hope the Vikings hit that town like Katrina” or something like that.
I wonder what he’s saying now…
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 10, 2010 4:21 AM CDT up reply actions
"I guess I should have stayed quiet"?
Maybe? That’s odd; Hampton played for the Bears his entire career. You’d think he’d want the Vikings to lose that game big.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
What boggles my mind is the comments on the D
I get being pleasantly surprised by the passing D, but the Vike fans saying that this will be a phenominal D once they get their other secondary guys back make me scratch my head. Did these people watch their top pass rushers pretty much get shut down?
Did these people watch their front seven basically fold in the second half?
Did these people watch their front four get pushed around while the Saints ran cut back after cut back?
The core of this defense is stout run D and pressure from the front four. You could have the entire Vikings secondary back there and if the front four can’t do their job like they did tonight then their D is in trouble.
Not sure which comments you're referring to
but generally over at DN we recognize the weaknesses shown by the D line. They had breakdowns in several games last year as well (Baltimore particularly where Ray Rice ran crazy in the 4th quarter). Overall, however, I agree with prevailing opinions that our D will be fine, and that our most urgent need is for some semblance of synch between Favre and his current receivers. I do acknowledge the weaknesses you mentioned, but despite spending 22 minutes on the field in the 2nd half, the D managed to get the stops needed to keep the game within reach.
Bingo
All week – well for months now – Chris has been crying and whining about pretty much everything. Chris may spout off about how the Vikings defense held the Saints to 14, but he won’t acknowledge the Saints holding his team to 9.
We don't want to know.
I think the amount of crazy on Daily Norseman went drastically up after Farve’s decision. Before 2008, some of those guys wouldn’t have been caught in the street with a Vikings jersey, let alone the Metrodome. The fair-weather fans that have flocked to the Daily Norseman have made things worse, not better, in my opinion.
Sometimes it takes a slap to wake you up. Sometimes its the sensation of falling that does it. I respect players on the Vikings, but there’s no way on earth I’d go to the Daily Norseman now. Not until Farve is actually done.
I may be in for a long wait, I realize, but it’ll be worth it.
I hope.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
You should check it out man,
the slightest shot at the Vikings, and Chrissy authors a fanpost about how wrong it is, and the media cries like 5-year old girls. It really is quite amusing, but you’d think that someone over there would put a muzzle on his ass at some point.
Typing fail
Gotta love the no edit feature. What I’m really trying to say there is that anytime someone is critical of the Vikings, Chrissy authors a post about how the media (or whatever the source is) is out to get the Vikings.
I remember thinking, “Good God…did you really, and I mean, really, write this cr@p? REALLY?”
On my worst days, I pray I can come across as more coherent than…that.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
The word "schadenfreude" comes to mind.
by TarHeelHawk on Sep 10, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
This did it for me.
Should I be worried about the fact that a group of fans just doesn’t seem to possess the level of intelligence necessary to realize that Minnesota’s NFL team is called the Vikings, largely when that team is coming to the realization that they’ve saddled themselves with the most overrated quarterback
This quote made me facepalm for the fifteenth time since my ill-advised decision to read that post. No respect. None whatsoever. I have more respect for Wolverine fans than he showed in that block above.
I have a VERY hard time coming up with any sympathy for Viking fans who are sad that they’ve lost two in a row to the Saints. They trash-talked up a STORM this offseason, and now? They’re 0-1 to open up. Way. to. go.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If Chrissy would bother to look at the stats
- you know, facts – he would see that Aaron put better numbers in his first two years as the starter than Brett did in his first two.
Who do the Vikings turn two if Favre doesn’t last the season? You all ready traded your most capable backup to the Giants in favor of Chili’s project. For that matter, what do they do next year?
by TarHeelHawk on Sep 10, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The answer
is no one. They tank the entire season. Just lose everything. Even to the Lions.
Then they ignore their QB need until the fifth round, and pick Scott Tolzien.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
During the offseason, I did some research,
using their game logs from NFL.com.
In his first 32 starts, Bertt completed 667 of 1072 passes, for 6995 yards, with 39 TDs and 39 INTs. Passer rating: 78.09
Rodgers, in his first 32 starts, completed 691 of 1077, for 8472 yards, with 58 TDs and 20 INTs. Passer rating: 98.54
Those numbers are only for the 32 games that they started, but if you include their stats for the games that they played in prior to their first start, it doesn’t change things much.
(At least, it doesn’t if you only considers Favre’s Packer stats, ignoring his season as a Falcon. lol:)
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Many of us are concerned about these prospects.
You guys may be overly critical of our situation because you have been in the enviable position of having consistent top-tier QB play for an incredible length of time. Your team management deserves all the credit in the world for that.
Try to remember before Favre… there was a significant time period during which Green Bay struggled like most franchises to find the right talent to lead their offense. Despite Chilly’s inability to locate/develop a solid QOTF, and his inexplicable confidence in TJ, at least he never wasted an early 1st-round pick on a hopeless waste.
We knew from the get-go that Favre would only represent a very short-term solution, but he has been that solution. If he goes down we’re back to 2008 with about a 15% chance of making noise in the post-season… and maybe 1-2% chance of ultimate victory. Whatever the odds, at least they are better as long as Favre plays…
Prior to the arrival of Wolf the Packers front office was a mess and didn’t have football people making football decisions. GB would have had Wolf in town sooner, but he said he wouldn’t come to GB until the organizational structure was changed. Harlan made the changes to assure the Packers had the type of organizational structure to ensure that only football people were involved in football decisions. That contributed greatly to the Packers ineptitude during the 70’s and 80’s. Since we have had football decision being made by the right people (not the Board of Directors), you are correct we’ve been blessed w/ about 20 yrs of top shelf QB play!
"ticking time bomb?"
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't stand that guy
The amount of whining that comes from him is astounding. Also, he seems like the type of guy who loves to dish it out while refusing to take anything back and nobody likes that guy.
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hence why
I am NOT a member of Daily Norseman.
There are very few people on that site who would have admitted to being a Vikings fan five years ago (when they were middling). Bandwagoning has gone to insane levels over there.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not even the bandwagoning that bothers me (It's to be expected)
It’s mostly how they love to talk about how much better they are and how they’re gonna crush this team or that team. But when the team fails to do so, they don’t wanna talk about. Shit talking is a two way street and if you’re gonna dish it out, you damn well better take it back. And nobody is worse than their lead moderator with this.
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL what did you get banned for? My guess is you probably didn’t do too much.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see this bandwagoning...
Am I blind? I mean, granted there are frequently random posts from people I am unfamiliar with, but they seem to me to be the exception rather than the rule. I believe that the huge majority of opinions expressed at DN represent a core membership that is not fair-weather or bandwagon. I do ignore some number of posts, and maybe I underestimate that number.
There are several Packer fans that post at DN with some frequency (Packapologist, TedSimmons, packallday, trevoR, etc.). Do you guys perceive that we are ridden with bandwagon type members?
From a Packer fan in Minnesota
I’ve been in Minneapolis/St. Paul for about five years, and I can say with very little doubt that there is some serious bandwagoning around here. Some serious Doubting Thomas Effect seems to play a role for the recent past. I asked a friend who live up here why the Vikings didn’t sell out their 2008 home playoff game. He responded that he didn’t go because he “knew the Vikings were going to lose.” Now that they have a quarterback the faith has returned.
I don’t care if the Packers were playing against a team of Reggie Whites, L.T.s, Deions, Jerry Rices, and Barry Sanders, with Jesus at quarterback and the Founding Fathers manning the O-Line. I’d still go to that game and hope for the impossible. Not the attitude around here.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 11, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not what I'm asking about...
Every franchise sees the bandwagon fill up when they do well. We were specifically referring to the membership at DN.
Correlation is my point
I would think that as a bandwagon fills up more people would be on fansites posting in regards to that team. Thus, a region/market more susceptible to bandwagoning [is this a word?] would be more susceptible to online bandwagoning.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 11, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, dude... I'm looking for the objective opinion of someone who frequents DN
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, but you can really only speculate.
Actually Pack referred to "Vike fans" and "these people", not Gates.
I’ve seen every point raised by Pack discussed in threads at DN. We’re not all drunk on the kool-aid, but we’re also not overly concerned by breakdowns by a tired depleted unit in the first game. The sky is not falling on the Vikings D.
That's fine, but when your offense only scores nine
and the QB with a bad wheel only has one reliable receiver to throw to, and doesn’t have the timing down with the others because he held out of camp, the margin of error for that defense is much lower.
To go in a completely different direction, I think the Vikings are really going to miss Chester Taylor.
by TarHeelHawk on Sep 10, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If Gerhart wasn't injured...
I bet he’d have seen plenty of playing time. What happened to him anyway?
Farve doesn’t realize how much he misses someone until they’re gone for the rest of the season. Then it’s too late.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Gerhart hurt his knee in the last pre-season game
I haven’t heard that it was real serious, like Cook’s torn meniscus or anything, but it was bad enough that he didn’t play.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Yeah.
I want him (Gerhart) to do well, just not against the Packers.
Fortunately there are two other teams in the division he can rush against…
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree
Been saying it for awhile too… Schlereth on ESPN, who is highly respected said Taylor was the #1 3rd down RB in the NFL last year! Had more 1st downs converted and caught alot of passes to convert.
Oh yeah no way can our D carry the team...
We saw how that worked out pre-Favre, pretty similar to the 2nd half last night. I think this is exactly why Vikes fans aren’t overly concerned at this point. We’re confident the offense will pick up enough that the D won’t get stuck on the field for 22 minutes during any given half.
We definitely missed Chester Taylor last night.
And that's true
I haven’t been to DN yet today and it’s probably there. There are lots of sober fans that will give a good analysis. I guess I mostly don’t get the homers….but then I don’t get some of the homers here either (even though I’m accused of being one now and then).
by PackApologist on Sep 10, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw a comment over there wondering about why Allen
had such a bad game. It’s almost as if Viking fans aren’t aware that Allens home/road splits are hideous. That the guy pulled a disappearing act on the road shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
Well honestly, the Saints offense didn’t struggle with the Vikings defense that much. They looked like shit in the first half but that was probably because they made it known they were going to pass every single down. As soon as they balanced things out more the Vikings defense struggled against them. They have to keep in mind, the Saints missed two relatively easy field goals too. As well as having Meacham or Henderson drop that touchdown pass. So yes, their defense will be fine. Probably the exact same as last season. But by no means is it going to be dominant.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
So do I get any credit for calling out the Saints
for their bad unbalanced play calling?
They turned around in the 2nd half and dominated time of possession after going on a 3 and out festival in the first half…
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
+!
I’ll give that up… It was fun watching the Saints run the ball down the vikes throats last nite… Especially in the last 7 or 8 min when the vikes needed a stop the Saints just ran all over them.
I don't think this game could possibly be replicated on Madden...
It’s…just…not…possible to contain something this epic and this distressing in a single game…
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said obrien
I was like what in God’s name was Sean Payton thinking running the ball 3 times vs. passing 21 times. We could have lost that game getting pass happy with the Vikings defense.
That wouldn't have worked too well...
I remember saying this:
They should have but they didn’t, and the Vikings ultimately won the first half.
Hopefully that’s all the Vikings win tonight.
In the end, that IS all the Vikings won last night…
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely. As soon as they balanced things out they became much more efficient offensively.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Reminded me a lot of the Week 1 Eagles @ Packers from 07
Packers couldn’t do squat on offense, and the Eagles probably would’ve won 13-3, except for a couple hideous (for them) turnovers on special teams.
I remember watching that game.
It still blows my mind how the Eagles simply gave that one away. To this day, I am convinced the Packers stole it from Philadelphia.
I remember hearing some Packers player make a remark that that particular game felt like a loss, because Green Bay only picked up 10 first downs in the game. Even take away the muffs on punt returns, and it’s still 13-6. Take away the interception by Nick Barnett, and the game is 13-3.
Sometimes, it’s better to be lucky than good.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 10, 2010 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The Vikings did the exact same thing as last year
Only this year they weren’t playing the Browns. Favre was out of sync because, despite everyone’s claims otherwise, he can’t get dropped with a bunch of receivers and a makeshift O-Line and deliver the world.
If the Vikings go on to lose the division or miss the playoffs by one game, I doubt anyone will say that it was because Mr. Prima Donna missed training camp. But I guarantee you, had Favre been in camp, the missed opportunities by wrong routes, errant passes, etc. would’ve been reversed and this game could’ve easily gone to the Vikings.
Or, of course, if they had gotten rid of that moron Childress and had a real coach, who would’ve kept running one of the top 2 RBs in the league who was average nearly 5 ypc, they could’ve won as well. For this being AP’s team and Favre just along for the ride, sure didn’t look that way to me.
by Danwood on Sep 10, 2010 6:08 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Very very true!
The rust on Favre was amazingly clear. They were not at all in sync. The fact that they watched it happen last year and allowed it to happen again is mind boggling. The division is only going to be harder this year, one game could mean the difference between a bye and playing on the road in week one.
Last year, Farve looked like a genius for skipping camp
This year, he was an idiot. His top receiver’s OUT for 8 weeks, and he’s not even trying to build chemistry.
I’ve lost a ton of respect for Farve over the last four years, but never more so than yesterday. Any idiot takes that sack and doesn’t throw the ball away trying to avoid it. Brett Farve clearly is a different class of idiot.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, he's just a gunslinger. He attempts throws other QB's are afraid to make
Plus, how can you not enjoy his child like enthusiasm on the field?
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That same enthusiasm that becoems weeping at a faux press conference?
I admit it; I was SNOOKERED by his first retirement speech.
Then he did what he did and I promptly needed to excuse myself to throw up.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 Rec'd
Favre clearly wasn’t in sync with his guys but I think a lot of that had to with his guys just not getting open. Without Rice, their receiving corps is going to be hurting. Basically all you have to do is shut down Shiancoe and your good.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Ch-ching!
Or, of course, if they had gotten rid of that moron Childress and had a real coach,
Score another one for Thompson/McCarthy.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
They are in a world of hurt
It seemed like the only man Farve had to throw to was Shiancoe and once New Orleans realized this they shut him down. I keyed on bernard Berrian several times zero separation, zero. I think he’s a fraction of the player I remember. I don’t think he’d make it as the 5th reciever on the Packers squad. Farve I thought ’looked better than I expected. That is one sorry group of recievers.
Adrianne Peterson ran harder than he did last year and I thought many of his yard came after I thought he should have been brought down. I think there Olone is in decline but Peterson made them look decent.
I’m a little undecided on their defense I didn’t think they looked that good but face it New Orleans only scored 14 on them.
Berrian is so overrated. I’ve always said it, and last night’s game just confirmed that for me. They needed him to step up and be the #1 guy and he just couldn’t do it. He got little separation, and dropped that crucial third down pass. It became clear throughout the game that Favre didn’t trust him.
Peterson looked great. He dragged guys two to three yards after contact all the time, and really made something out of nothing as the offensive line really didn’t do a good job of opening things up for him. Because of the offensive line, I don’t think this will be Peterson’s team. They just didn’t get any push for him, and like last season Sullivan, Herrea, and McKinnie consistently struggled.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Berrian
Has always been over rated! He has never had really good ball skills. Just a speed reciever. He’s really not that hard to stop or cover. As mentioned he doesn’t get seperation, and I don’t think he ever really has. Always thought Minn WAY over-paid for him!
Haha exactly what I have said over on DN. He’s really a deep threat and not much more. And even that appears to be in question as he really hasn’t looked full speed since the 2008 season. I think Camarillo will eventually replace him as the starter while Rice is out.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Viqueen fans-unbelievable!
I was over in a Yahoo blog and the Viqueen fans are already bitching about the officials. What an unbelievable bunch of whining wussies, I thought that Norwegians were supposed to be stoic…..
Oh yeah, like all the ’85 Bears, Dan Hampton is a loudmouthed a-hole.
starts with Chilly
He was whining about Vilma “mauling” Shiancoe. Shouldn’t that be a fine?
I still don’t recall hearing McCarthy complaining about being shafted in the playoff game last year.
by gern blanston on Sep 10, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
A friend of mine,
Sent a message to one of his friends (a Viking fan) saying that the Saints would win easily. His friend replied by cutting loose with a profanity-filled tirade.
Another Vikings fan said that the Vikings have the best QB in NFL History (what would Johnny Unitas think of this), the best running back in the game right now (Chris Johnson would disagree) and the best defensive lineman in the NFL (Elvis Dumerville (sp?) would like a word).
I don’t know what it is with that fanbase, but this sadly seems to be representative of them.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 10, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Unitas not the best
Another Vikings fan said that the Vikings have the best QB in NFL History (what would Johnny Unitas think of this)
Johnny U. wasn’t even the best QB in the 60s.
His records, like Bertt’s, were volume records, which have a lower correlation to winning than efficiency records.
Plus, in his entire career, he won only three championships.
Some may say that the first point, by itself, isn’t enough to support a claim that he wasn’t the best, and some may say the same about the second point.
But, together, they are pretty hard to argue against, reasonably. :)
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The glass is way more than half-full.
3 championships
ain’t bad, but I’ve won like ten with Aaron Rodgers on Madden.
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 11, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said...
Some may say that the first point, by itself, isn’t enough to support a claim that he wasn’t the best, and some may say the same about the second point.
But, together, they are pretty hard to argue against. :)
Also, when I said “only three championships,” it was a tacit comparison to Starr, the only QB in NFL history with five.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Please don't all them Viqueen fans
I’m sorry the name is juvenile and in the end it makes us all look bad.
by PackApologist on Sep 10, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amazing
I only watched the first half, but I saw a phantom facemask called on the Saints and several missed holding calls on the Vikes’ O-Line. Even my Viking fan-GF was kind of amazed at the crap the Vikes were getting away with.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
What about that false start on Brees that wiped out a potential drive in the first half?
I’m still waiting to see what the issue on that play is.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 10, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I loved Favre and Williams both calling for phantom penalties
after each were respectively beaten. Williams’ was especially bad as Shockey barely touched him, much less committed a push off.
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 10, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And especially since he was engaged with Shockey almost the entire play.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
My take as a Saints fan
We played like hell our offense was out of sink we dropped key passes our kicker who is usually money sucked and the same thing happened last year opening up against the Lions
The good news is at half time our DC made the adjustments to shut down AP and Shianco
I believe Sean and Drew will get the offense settled down and on track
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions
You stopped AP on a few runs in the 2nd half
But in Minnesota’s defense, the only thing that really stopped AP was Chilly. The guy had almost a 5 ypc average with a long of only 14. That’s not stopping him.
But I do think you guys were playing a little more reserved because you had the lead, and a FG would’ve been an ok result (had Hartley made them, of course). Had Minnesota scored another TD I’m sure you could’ve drove the field.
by Danwood on Sep 10, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, why the abandoned the run game is beyond me. It’s pretty clear the Saints struggled to defend the runs straight up the middle. Why he decided to go all pass heavy just made no sense.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Audibles?
Did Brett audible out of run plays into pass plays? I don’t know.
by gern blanston on Sep 10, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
We made adjustments at the half
We moved our SS over to cover Shianco and started stacking 8 in the box to shut down their run our CB’s were doing pretty good in man coverage
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
And it worked.
Nice halftime adjustments.
This sort of gameplan by the Saints is pretty badly out of balance.
There is no balance whatsoever. When you are one dimensional, they can drop everyone and their grandfather back into coverage and break up the long passes.
Look, I’m not saying the Saints should go old-school Wisconsin, but the way things are going, they BADLY need to use Bush’s 8 YPC to their advantage.
I complained, and somehow, Sean Payton heard me. I don’t know how, but…
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes I dont believe we will see too many halves where we just run the ball 3 times
I think the idea of them having a seriuosly beat up secondary was to much for SP to pass up but he came to his senses at half time
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember someone telling me
that if you have 300 yards passing, you’re in the game.
If you have 300 yards rushing, then you’re dominating the game.
…
Unless of course you’re the US Naval Academy and you make uncharacteristic bloopers inside the red zone against Maryland… I have nothing but respect for them, but…that was not how you win a football game.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
AP only had 5 runs, consisting of:
13
6
1
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1
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6
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3
Couple of 1’s in there, yes, but to me that’s more Childress giving up than anything else. Only on the first possession did AP get multiple carries during the possession.
Those are fine numbers. Six carries for 30 yards seem good enough to me. I’m totally with you. Why they abandoned the run is beyond me. It basically resulted in their offense not doing anything the entire second half.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
For sure
But I still don’t think you guys would have been able to consistently stop Peterson. Even when there wasn’t much room for him to run, he still managed 3-4 yards and when there was any hole at all he usually broke a tackle or two and ran for 7+. Trying to go strictly to the passing game was just stupid for the Vikings to try and do.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Mississippisaintsfan
You can bet our offense will be in full gear again. There was so much pressure riding on that game last night!
outcoached
I think Payton took Chilly to school. The adjustments that the Saints made at half were why they won. They pretty much took Shiancoe out of the game. And they were able to mount an effective running attack using the cutback against over pursuit.
I agree with PackApologist that the Vikings D didn’t look good. I was somewhat surprised at how well their secondary played after the first drive, however. Sure there were drops, but there were also some good plays. (and if I’m wrong, I was also reading a book while the game was on)
Game shouldn’t have even been close if the kicker could make one.
gReat point
The kicker kept it close. Really though Chilly was outcoached and the rust on the offense was very heavy.
Maybe it's because a certain primadonna missed weeks of training camp?
Or just the Vikings hit a wall and with 2 receivers out that they didn’t have a lot of options to beat the Saints. Either way, it was kind of fun to watch them lose given all the smack they were talking.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
rust
yes, Favre was rusty. No debate there. But he also doesn’t have anyone outside of Shiancoe to throw to. Greer looked like a world beater on Berrian.
by gern blanston on Sep 10, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
And that, ladies and gentlemen
is why you never miss training camp if you are a QB.
Unfortunately for the Vikings, Farve chose to do that and one of the best home-run threats in the NFL is withering on the vine.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
NFC appears wide open this year
Last year’s top 2 seeds both looked very beatable. NFC East seems to have come back to the field a little—-Cowboys loaded on offense but look what happened to them at Minnesota last year. Giants & Eagles will both be tough outs, as usual. Nobody in the West scares anybody, either.
Unless a dominant team comes out of nowhere like the Saints last year? Who would it be?
cowboys have problems on the OLine. Romo may have weapons, but he has looked out of sorts this entire preseason. It’s only week 1. I’m not going to get too bent out of shape about the rest of the season yet.
Jabari Greer looked like Darrelle Revis last night. Either he’s become that good overnight, or Berrian is clearly not even a #4 on our roster. Who does Favre have to throw to? No guarantees that Rice will return 100% healthy or that his timing with Favre won’t require some work.
by gern blanston on Sep 10, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Greer is our best CB
He played well really well last year he was just over shadowed because porter kept getting timely interceptions which were helped by the fact QB’s would rather throw at porter then Greer
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Any plans for a backup K?
I imagine Sean Payton must be p*ssed at Hartley after last night.
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Well he has just about worn out all the love he earned last year
But this morning they were talking about the holder
Last year our back up QB brunnel was the holder this year it’s our punter so maybe it’s something they can fix
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
nope
heard him interviewed on Sirius NFL radio. No plans to bring in a kicker this week. He said last year he would have. But not since what Hartley did last year….
by gern blanston on Sep 10, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Well he hasn't cost us a game yet lol
Sean Payton hates to lose and if are kicker cost us a game i think we would be talking different right now
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah.
Most head coaches don’t keep kickers who do that sort of thing. Nick Folk, who was amazingly clutch in 2007, went on a downslide and the Cowboys went back…to Shaun Suisham. WTF? Suisham had just been cut by Washington after doing the same thing Folk did!
The Swamp's home field advantage is so devastating, it stifled the Florida offense as well as the other team's...
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 10, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Team that scares me out west is the 9ers. They are like the Vikings of three or four years ago. They have a stout defense, great offensive line, solid to great running back, a compliment of receiving options, and all they need is a TE. I would also state that they have a competent to great coaching staff that actually develops talent. Did you see how Singeltary got Davis’ head on straight in just half a season?
Throw that in with the Packers as well. I think they should scare Viking fans right now. Are they overhyped? Yes. No doubt there at all, but they have a TE that will eat the Vikings safeties alive. A running game that has the ability to run through the Williams Wall (a fact reinforced by the performance last night Piere Thomas had), and WR’s that can spread out the generally weak secondary of the Vikings.
Bottom line is that while the NFC is wide open, there are more possible threats to the “top dogs” of last year.
by PackApologist on Sep 10, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not buying the 9ers
I think they’ll be good and have a better record than last year, but I don’t consider them a threat to go to the SB. 10-6 record from my seat… Win the NFC west, but they won’t go far in the playoffs and lose to a wild card team from the North or East!
Aren't you glad Brent's not our problem anymore?
So many missed communications between he and his receivers, except Shiancoe. See what happens when your QB pulls that 11th hour delay to miss practice?
Harvin’s his best wideout as of now and he couldn’t even buy a reception with him.
I think Camarillo will step it up and ease that and Brett will be back to his old self in a few weeks, but damn if they didn’t look sloppy last night. I’m sure he’ll bring his A game when the Pack beats, I mean meets them.
Saints looked good as ever, but I don’t think this game was any indicator of how good they’ll be throughout the season. If AP got more touches in the second half, instead of the Vikes trying to tough their way out of a passing slump, the game might have been a lot closer. They were definitely taking it the Saint’s D in the first half.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Yes and no
Let’s be honest, the only reason why we are happy about the current situation is because Rodgers has panned out. If he didn’t, or if he wasn’t developing it would of been DD, some old back up we picked up to hang out with Brett, and Woodson down on Farve’s couch this past offseason.
The other thing is that Farve would of had better chemstry with some of our guys since he had been playing with them longer.
The Farve situation is still a sore one, and will be until he’s finally done, the damage has run its course, and he is immortalized in all of the various places Farve will be immortalized (HOF, Packer HOF, Lambeau Field, etc.).
by PackApologist on Sep 10, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, let's also be honest
The only reason the Vikings are happy with Favre is because Jackson has instilled no confidence. A lot of teams would be happy to jettison Favre if they had a good QB in the wings.
So true,
and so did Thompson.
And, some of us understood that at the time.
When Rodgers made his statement that the fans had better get on board then if they weren’t already, I agreed with and applauded it.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Loved Rodgers comment
Most took it completely out of context I think… Took it as arrogance instead of confidence. I just thought he felt confident in his own abiltiy to lead the offense and produce. Not as any kinda trash talk… Really whats he supposed to say? That fans should wait to see how he does? Thats hardly being confident in yourself!
I know you and I were among the few that applauded Thompsons decision to move forward w/ Rodgers at the time!!!
That’s how most seem to take all of his statements. When in reality, he’s probably one of the hardest working guys in the league today. With that hard work brings confidence and rightfully so. His improvement from when he was drafted to now has been colossal.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not too sure about that
If TT and MM wasn’t so sure about Rodgers, they would have been kissing Favre’s ass to come back like Childress and the rest of the Vikings was doing. I’m sure we all got a preview of what A-Rodg was capable of in that Dallas game in 2007. I’m sure they saw he had potential, Favre was dicking around with retirement for a while, and the Pack knew it. Maybe the QB coach really worked with Rodgers and shaped him into a 4,000 passing yard starter, but who knows? I’s old news, A-Rodg has 7 to 9 good years still ahead with us and I’m sure he’s capable of leading the drive to bring the Lombardi trophy home where it belongs.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
I don’t know that they would have like Childress. They would have made it known that they wanted him back and would have more attentive, but they would NOT have been picking him up at the airport or sending players to recruit him back… They might have done more to make sure he felt welcome but they wouldn’t have gone to the lengtrhs that Childress did!
Maybe, it's a combination of the two.
Maybe the QB coach really worked with Rodgers and shaped him into a 4,000 passing yard starter, but who knows?
With a lesser QB, maybe Coach Mac’s legendary quarterback school only shapes him into a 3,500 passing yard starter. lol.
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The glass is way more than half-full.
Fair amount of solid points in the comments
Especially the one about if the Vikes miss the playoffs by one game. This was an eminently winnable game, and they let it slip away. As for Favre’s chemistry with his receivers, I doubt it would’ve been any better with Harvin, seeing as he was out almost the whole pre-season as well. Thankfully, they think they got his migraines under control, so that should be a thing of the past.
I actually thought the o-line play was better than last year, and while Loadholt struggled initially on the left side, he did okay all things considered. Loadholt and Cook are not the optimal soultion, but they did all right as an emergency replacement.
The defense was pretty good for three quarters, but why they didn’t adjust to the Saints cutback runs in the second half is beyond me.
It’s easy for me to emphasize the positive things I saw; hell I’m a Vikes fan. But I honestly think that they’ll still be one of the best teams in the conference at the end of the season.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Well said. The lack of chemistry between Favre and the receivers was certainly noticeable. Though I don’t think the receivers got much separation either. I’m not convinced that Harvin should be a starter lined up on the outside. I don’t think he’s necessarily a guy who is going to run crisp routes and beat corners at this point in his career. He’s better off in the slot, where he can run up the seam and catch the ball in space. I think Camarillo lining up outside would be more ideal. He’s a crisp route runner with sure hands.
The offensive line looked good in protection for the most part but not so much in the run game. Peterson didn’t have to many holes to run through, though that doesn’t really matter because of how damn good he is haha.
Yeah, no doubt you guys will end up being one of the better teams in the conference come years end. I think you guys, the Saints, and Pack will battle it out to see who makes it to the SB.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Not using Camarillo more baffled me
The non-separation was an issue with Berrian most of the night, Harvin seemed to do okay but Favre and him were misfiring all night. I can think of four incompletions to Harvin that were a direct result of Favre thinking Harvin would go one direction and he went in another.
They’ll get that stuff cleaned up, and sooner rather than later.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Me too. I guess he was only in camp for two weeks but he and Favre looked fine in terms of communication against Seattle. They had two weeks from there, was that really not enough time to establish a “chemistry”?
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
With a guy who has hands like Camarillo
I don’t think you need a lot of chemistry. Throw it somewhere near him and chances are he’ll come down with it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah, that’s kind of why I put chemistry in quotations. Not playing Camarillo more was a huge mistake, and I think supports my thinking that Chilly is a bonehead.
by packallday555 on Sep 12, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO...
I don’t know exactly what you or others mean by cutback runs… BUt from my experience the D is supposed to make the tackle w/in the first couple yards. If the RB happens to break thru that and into the LB level, tis kinda hard to prevent the RB from cutting back. The D is supposed to prevent that from being able to occur in the 1st place. If the RB gets into the LB level he has already pretty much broken the containment and is now entering the open field. At that point its all instincts by the RB… Is would seem at that level the majority of the lanes are now useless and your hoping someone can just get there to make the tackle and limit the damage.
cutbacks
What I mean by a cutback is that the flow of the line is say to the right. The RB cuts left, against the grain. This can be done by instinct, vision and patience of the runner, or it can be by design. Given the frequency that it was implemented, I think it was by design, but that Pierre did a great job of implementing it. The ZBS that MM uses attempts to use these principals as well.
A cut back is somewhat like a screen play. It’s designed to slow down the defense and make them think more rather than react – especially one that is over pursuing. That’s why a screen play is so effective against a good pass rush.
by gern blanston on Sep 11, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I know the Packers zbs uses cutbacks… But it still goes to gap integrity by the D. If the D has correct gap control the RB shouldn’t have cutback lanes. Gap control in the responsibiltiy of the DL and LB. Cutbacks like your mentioning IMO, are the result of good backside blocking beating the backside gap control. I don’t know, but I don’t think Minn runs any or at least very little zone run plays. Aren’t they more a power run scheme?!
Grants inabiltiy to cutback is my biggest problem I have w/ him… He just isn’t able to make the sudden cuts to take advantage of the cutback opportunities he gets.
Vikings
Like the author, I was concentrating on the Viking play. Trying to look past the obvious rust, neither team was playing great, which is surprising given the playoff caliber both teams are supposed to be. May this performance lay to rest forever the drivel that great and experienced quarterbacks don’t require training camp like commoners. Unless the Vikes get it together almost immediately, they have big problems on BOTH lines. Expectations are so high for this last hurrah, the team could implode. Anyone read Souhan’s article in the Star Tribune? Brutal. Put the Guard on alert after you read the comments from fans.
I thought Souhan was spot-on.
I don’t know why the fan comments would be of note. The comments at DN are pretty much consistent with Souhan. Hell, he may have read through those posts before penning his column.

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