Executive of the Year...it HAS to be Ted Thompson
by TrevorR on Jan 10, 2011 10:58 AM CST
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I know people are hot and cold on him. Some wish he went after more FAs...or ANY free agents (haha) but look at this year. Missing 15 players on IR. Al Harris gone. Jolly in jail. This team is missing like half of its starters from last year and they haven't missed a BEAT! Obviously coaching gets some of the credit here but they don't have a chance if Thompson doesn't get the right guys in there. The impact guys on defense are astounding. Peprah? Burnett? Shields? Walden? Green? Starks? Quarless? This team is anchored by second day draft picks and free agents, yet where are they?
I'll start the campaign today...Ted Thompson for Executive of the Year (for the second time)
Interesting...listening to Paul Allen here in Minnesota and he just mentioned it on their "Border Battle" talk with the stations resident Packer fan. If he can see it, its GOT to happen. PA actually said it would be a TERRIBLE INJUSTICE if Thompson doesn't win it.
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Devil's Advocate, Trying to think of competition
Patriots: Dumping Randy Moss for a free pick, getting Branch, Danny Woodhead, Gronkowski and Hernandez.
Lions: Suh, Vanden Bosch, Best, Hill
Also
Scott Pioli in Kansas City this year.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Really? I don’t see that one…what did he do THIS year. The main playmakers on that team were already there, plus he failed to bring in a complement to Bowe which was their real downfall. Their coach has a better shot of getting some votes than he does I think.
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This year
Drafted Eric Berry, Dexter McLuster and Tony Moeaki. Signed Thomas Jones, Ryan Lilja, and Casey Wiegmann.
I’d say he did alot in 2010. Do you think the Chiefs would have won the AFC West without those guys?
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
And do you think the Packers wouldn't be in the playoffs w/o Thompsons moves?!
Thompson had more of them and they saved our season! At best it might be a toss up, or in favor of Thompson!
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I never said Pioli should win it over Thompson
I was just adding in that Pioli should be considered. No, I think Thompson should win it, I don’t really think there’s a better football executive around.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
And I never said Pioli shouldn't win it...
Just that Thompsons moves saved the Packers season! And it might be a toss up…
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Yeah I guess he had a nice season too. Its a different perspective. He was taking a low performing team and elevating them with good moves. Thompson filled with depth and made very shrewd pickups when needed to keep a team that was projected to be great afloat despite insane injuries.
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Yeah I can see the argument on the pats…they did some great moves too. I would HATE to see them sweep Coach and Exec of the year though…that would suck. Maybe they’ll be upset in the second round here and people will sour on them!
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I do think the Pats seem likely ...
Keep in mind they will also have the Raiders’ 1st round pick and the Vikings 3rd round pick in the upcoming draft (and I may be missing another additional pick.)
I believe I heard a Pats fan say they have 2 first rounds, 2 second rounds, and 2 third round picks. I don’t know where the extra second round pick comes from, but Jesus. Teams just keep giving them picks. At least when we did it, we got Clay Matthews out of the deal.
by Packers3485 on Jan 10, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah they do.
1st from Raiders
2nd from CAROLINA!! (Carolina traded their second in 2011 for the Pats 3rd in 2010…and the guy never saw the field)
3rd from Vikings
They are all pretty nice picks too!! They don’t have a seventh though! haha
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My bet is Pioli or maybe the guys in Tampa
Who pictured any of those two teams being successful at all this year?
Nothing against what TT has done….it’s been masterful really….but going into the year people know the Packers were a deep and talented team. Tampa and KC have just come out of nowhere.
Yeah Tampa might have a legit shot too. I think not making the playoffs hurt teams with stuff like this though. They were as close as you could get though. I would argue that a guy like TT showed off his skill all year long though vs the dude in tampa it was really just the offseason and then cruise control. The Pats kept it going all year long too though so yeah…is that considered Bellichek too??
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Playoffs?!
I don’t see how Tampa not making the playoffs affects anything. After all, this was a team expected by many of the experts to only win two games and be the worst team in the league. The very fact that they were in the mix till the last game of the year alone shows such a dramatic improvement that warrants some look for their exec.
by PackApologist on Jan 10, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Thompson
I can’t think of anyone more deserving! Belichek is likely the coach of the year, he doesn’t need the executive too! Gotta go w/ Thompson… Its a minor miracle the Packers are in the playoffs considering the number of injuries and missed starters from last year! He has built a strong, deep SB contender and this year all that depth is coming to the forefront!! Not too mention the street FA pickups he’s made… The man deserves the Executive of the Year, IMO!!
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Going to have to disagree
I will not be surprised if he wins it, but I don’t think it’s a clear cut thing. Like I said, Pioli has turned around KC much faster than people thought. Tampa has also turned around much faster, although this may be due more to coaching than it is to the GM’s work. Either way there are a few other contenders in the mix.
by PackApologist on Jan 10, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
But with KC, its executive of THE YEAR, not a cumulative thing. I don’t think he had a masterful season as an exec…it was more coaching up the same guys and add one or two pieces. All the playmakers on that team (well offensively) were already there, weren’t they?
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Kudos to KC
The Chiefs had a nice season but they played an extremely soft schedule and didn’t beat a quality team all year. Most of their big moves came last year. Adding Weis and Rommel (?) as coordinators were Paoli’s biggest moves this year. Thomas Jones wasn’t that big a deal.
Thompson was pulling guys off the street by mid season and the Packers continue to roll. He gets my vote.
coordinators...
The hiring and firing of coordinators is totally the responsibility of the HC, not the GM! The GM can’t take credit for those hirings!
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Its also foolish to think that the GM, the guy who is responsible for the entire team isn’t involved in the decision.
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hiring
The GM should only be involved to the extent that he give the OK for the HC to fire the current coordinators and hire a new one! But who the HC decides to hire or fire should be totally up to the HC. That is by far the best model! The GM doesn’’t work everyday w/ the OC or DC, the HC is the one who has to work w/ them everyday and for really long hours! Like a store mgr firing a supervisor… Should the district manager be involved in a hiring or firing? As an overseer of the process yes. But the district doesn’t have to work w/ them everyday! So, IMO, the store mgr should have final say on the matter!
No HC should have an asst coach shoved down their throats by a idiotic owner! Recipe for disaster… ANd how did that all work out in Dallas?! Yeah Phillips got fired, and a large part of that was having his authority minimized by the owner and Garrretts offense not producing! For all we know Garrett wanted the head job and didn’t put together game plan good enough to win. But when he did become the head man the offense suddenly came to life! Not saying thats what actually happened but no one can say it didn’t either! Just that it made the situation a clusterfuck!
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I agree it doesn't work
Al Davis has been known to do this as well as Daniel Schneider, I think it was Sherm Lewis maybe wrong but he shoved a new OC on Jim Zorn mid season. I do believe the GM should have final say on all coaching hires as the ultimate responsibility resides with him. But, I would think in any good GM coach relationship ac TT and MM have he will go along with the head coach wishes. I know this for a fact that Ted let his wishes be known when they fired all the defensive 2 years ago and was involved in the Capers hiring.
Involved
Sure Thompson was involved. He may have made some recommendations as to what guys McCarthy interviewed and I’m sure he sat in on all the interviews if not as an active participant! But I have little doubt that Thompson also left the final decision of among 3 or 4 whom both were involved in deciding on, up to McCArthy. Or do you have insider knowledge that Thompson made the final decision?! In the end its McCarthy who has to be happy w/ the hire more so than Thompson!
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I know this
It was relayed from Ted to MM that he felt that the defense didn’t play up to the players talent and it was told to me by several people in the organiztion that Ted wanted them removed. I don’t mean to brag, but I do get to have conversations with many involved. Especially personell people( the guy that went to Seattle is a good friend) and front office people(Mark Murphy came to my daughters graduation party) and I have gotten to know a few coaches including the top dog. His 2 step kids are at my house quite a bit.
Can't argue w/ that...
Sounds like your pretty well connected! The Sanders firing wouldn’t surprise me since I never thought he was that good a coach anyway and the D didn’t play well for him! Do you get the sense it was an ultimatum for Thompson? And was McCarthy wanting to change course anyway or would he have preferred to stay w/ Sanders?
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The feeling I got was it was strongly suggested MM probably reached the same conclusion
For the most part I’m agreeing with most of what your saying but the GM needs the ultimate say because he can be a little more objective and isn’t so attached to a fellow coach working with them everyday and MM had to be part of those defensive game plans to some degree and may not feel it was as bad as someone not as emotionally attached.It’s easy to say decisions shouldn’t be made with emotions but were all human. Ted does excel at this
Dang! Are you the one that lives on the same street with a few of those guys?
Good to hear the convo. I had a hunch that a MAJOR change like going to 3-4 was something TT was either behind or a major part of.
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Yes live within 75 yards of 3 board members and 2 top execs
One of my neighbors whose dog got loose today sat in Bill bidwell’s skybox for last years playoff game and one of my daughters was invited to go
yes, but how's the dog?
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Sorry must have hit a wrong button
my neighbor whose dog got loose today I brought back to his home was the one who sat in Bidwell’s box
I was just kidding around
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Funny story while I'm talking about Packer people I know
If anyone saw the Farve miked up segment this past Sunday they were filming and miking Farve in the last game of the season when he didn’t play against Detroit. He was standing next to another Viking and he told him he Knew the guy on the Detroit sideline. Brett kept waving and yelling to the guy across the field. Brett was trying to get him to get him a hamburger, Well that guy’s name was Tim O’Neil he a assistant equipment manager and he was a good friend of mine he was fired when Mike Sherman came to town. He was real close to Farve and was a part of episodes that make the Sterger episode look lame. That’s all I can say
No wonder Thompson said he was doing his best for Favre's legacy!
Thompson knew that Favre the perv was around GB, but was able to keep a lid on it?! But once he went to NY or anywhere they knew something would get out about him!! LOL
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Ditching Favre
was one of the ballsiest (and smartest) professional sports moves of all time. Not many humans would have the capacity to stay true to what was right in that convoluted situation. Then not getting sucked into the BS fallout was a profound statement on the mans integrity.
The guy is a businessman’s (person’s) dream with his intelligence, focus, and integrity. A rare thing, my friends.
I think it is a miracle we made the playoffs
If you would have told me before the season began that we’d have 15 guys on IR, I would have said that blows and we aren’t doing better than 8-8. Now, what was Favre’s excuse for our 2005 season again? Too many injuries, so that’s why he had to cough up 29 interceptions…
Props to Rodgers, McCarthy, and TT for all doing their job this season! Actually, better yet….props to everyone for doing their job this season!
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
REVENGE 4 DEANNA !!!
Brent Favre is the cheater!!!!!
by Jabooty on Jan 10, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Injuries = Interceptions
Most common SEC excuse…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 10, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's always the receivers in brent's mind
Nevermind the dumbass who threw the ball into triple-coverage. Or right at the defender, for that matter.
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*receiver's fault
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EOY is so difficult
The best work of a GM like Thompson takes years to appreciate. So, do they finally award him when it finally becomes clear how well he has done in the past? Or, do they award a GM that made big FA moves this year or at least more recently? I hope they reward Ted this year, because otherwise they would be communicating that a guy like Ted may be unable to win the award. If only he had traded for Lynch…
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But with TT it wasn’t just the usual cumulative effect though. Look at the impact guys THIS year that he brought in that no one else saw:
- Shields, undrafted rookie
- Zombo, undrafted rookie
- Walden, FA
- Starks, 6th round (injured when drafted)
- Quarless, 5h? round
- Crabtree, undrafted rookie
- Howard Green, FA
I am probably missing some. I mean the guy maybe didn’t make a splash but he knows how to find talent where you wouldn’t expect it!!
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Exactly Ted showed how successful previous moves were and had brilliant during season moves.
The Patriots, Chiefs and Tampa would all have strong consideration in a normal year. But it is mentioned weekly even by the national media(ESPN, NFL network) all the injuries the Packers have had. To be where we are with 15 players on IR and The starts Starters missed who weren’t on IR is amazing. Most teams would have packed it in during the 6th week. I would be disappointed if he misses out
Solid point about the “cumulative effect” factor. It’s like with the coach of the year, they always pick a guy who’s team overachieved and won more games than expected. But how often don’t we see those teams fall back to earth the next year, and then the coach gets fired the season after that (see Infante, Lindy). So, they ignore coaches that create a sustainable culture of winning and are around for a long time, and they give it to a guy who will be in the unemployment line soon.
…and it’s hard to say we should’ve traded for Lynch on the same week that our 6th round pick explodes onto the scene. The strongest argument against FA and trading for veterans is that it robs your younger guys of the chance to shine. So, sure the Seahawks got a good RB, but he’s getting close to 30 and they gave up a pick for him, whereas we’ve got a guy in his early twenties who’ll be good for a long time (hopefully), and we gave up nothing for him. Which would you rather have?
(and, btw, off topic, but it’s been making me physically nautious to hear everybody saying that Lynch’s run was “the greatest run in NFL history.” Peter King said that! …and a lot of other people have said it, too. I mean… great Caesar’s ghost! “The greatest run in NFL history??” Have they not seen Earl Campbell? …Barry? Sayers? Heck, even that one run by Roger Craig was better than that one. Good land!)
by Curly Lambeau on Jan 11, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
It's not Lynch vs. Starks
Starks has been injured for most of the year. My point on Lynch is that we lost our feature back in the first game, and I think it was irresponsible of TT to not fill the loss with a competent RB. I mean you’ve got a team that is clearly talented enough to compete for the Super Bowl and you leave the running game in the hands of BJax, Nance, and Kuhn?? Just not responsible management. We’ve gotten away with it so far, but if I were a voter for EOY that decision might just make the difference if it’s close.
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Nobody said we didn't try to get Lynch
Just because TT isn’t holding press conferences every week stating what he’s been cooking doesn’t mean he’s sitting at home twiddling his fingers. They even mentioned it on the broadcast Saturday night: Buffalo said they did not want to trade Lynch to a contender and get embarrassed if he went off.
I wonder if they are a bit embarrassed now!
Whatever TT was cooking on the RB position went up in smoke. The only move he makes is getting Nance off of the Falcons practice squad? Maybe Lynch was a no go — I thought I read that they were asking too much — but the running game was a problem that needed solving and it was not solved. Perhaps TT spent days upon days in the “kitchen” cooking his little heart out, but we were all left with a bitter taste. I think there is a good chance we would be in a better position in the playoffs if it had been solved.
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At the risk of reiterating everything that was said 4 months ago
1. This team is not in a “Win Now” mode. There was no justification to break the bank over a mediocre running back. Despite what he did on Saturday (and I would say it was more of a failure of the Saints rather than Lynch being a superstar, lest we want to annoint Dan Connelly the greatest return man of all time), Lynch did nothing this season for the Seahawks. He’s been an otherwise wasted trade for the Seahawks. 202 rushes for 737 yards, 165 yards receiving. Never reached 100 yards rushing in a game this year.
2. There was very little worthwhile on the trade and FA block. The UFL season was still going on, couldn’t sign anyone from there. Lynch was the best option, and he turned out to be pretty much worthless during the season.
1. he’s averaged maybe 15 carries a game…not exactly lead back type numbers are hardly enough for getting 100 yard games. Elite runners might but he’s no elite runner. Lets not pretend like Seattle put the load on him and he failed or something. Trading a 5th for a starting RB is hardly a win now mode move.
2. There were other options out there. Ryan Torain strikes me as an even better pickup than Lynch. He was trained in the ZBS and was a FA so nothing had to be given up. I think not getting him was an oversight. Now that said, the guy is as fragile as a toothpick but he still could have provided a nice spark for almost nothing.
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On the same token
He has not had a run like that ever this season. The wildcard game was the anomaly for this year, just as the Eagles game was pretty much the anomaly for the Packers running game this year.
Again, the Bills did not want to trade Lynch to any old team. So yes, I would’ve gladly traded a 5th for Lynch, but that was seemingly not the price out there for us. The Bills are a close second to the the Raiders in terms of mismanagement.
As for Torain, it’s always hard to say. His pre-season stats weren’t very good. In hindsight he wouldv’e been a good pickup.
fairness in conversation…Torain WAS on my list of players before the Redskins picked him up. I remember us discussing him a little bit. most of the talk was on Lynch though.
I’ve watched some of lynch this year. He runs hard. He hasn’t had a lot of running room given to him this year though either. Everything he’s gained has been earned. Now in passing situations, there have been holes mostly due to teams dropping into coverage.
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Yeah, that is a bit of a strike on him, but he chose to have faith in the guys he has…BJax was a high pick that they had hopes for so I think part of TT wanted to give him his shot. There were guys to be had. Heck we could have picked up Torain for NOTHING as a FA.
I don’t hate the decision like Stroh seems to think…I would have liked to see Lynch or one of a few players on my short list but I really doubted it would happen. For the price Lynch was obtained at though, it would have been a bargain. I think he would have given us enough of a boost to get that one more win this season to hae the bye in the first round and be playing Seattle right now instead of Atl.
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That's how you evaluate a GM, though
A) Lynch sucked all year, and he was the main guy people were talking about Thompson “making a move” for. Lynch finally showed up, but it happened to be on the same week that Starks breaks out. And…
B) This is not the first time that Thompson has done something where you look back and say “how did he KNOW that?” TT unearthed Grant when he was buried on the Giants depth chart, and people were talking that season too about how we NEED to make a big move for a RB. Ahman had just been let go, and BJax was a rookie and so forth… But TT stands pat and stands pat and all of a sudden, boom, Grant emerges JUST when we need him.
Over and over again, TT is playing chess where most GMs are playing checkers. It’s like he’s got a crystal ball to see our needs long before they arise. At some point, it stops being luck. …I’m waiting for Justin Harrell to be next year’s Super Bowl MVP.
by Curly Lambeau on Jan 11, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Lynch sucked?
So, you watched a lot of Seahawks games this year, did ya? Yeah, me neither. So, I don’t think either of us is likely in a good position to evaluate Lynch’s partial year with them.
And, if Lynch was not productive with the Seahawks does that tell us that he would not have been productive with the Packers? Of course not, that’s ridiculous. Deion Branch sucked with the Seahawks, and where is he now? Oh yeah, catching Tom Brady passes as the Pats number 1 receiver.
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Branch
Played in NE w/ those same players and coaches! He basically knew the system if not the plays! Lynch didn’t do anything sooner, at least partially cuz he had to learn a new team, new teammates, new system and plays! None of that was the case w/ Branch!!
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Wow…so now the system hasn’t changed AT ALL in what 5 years?
I think the only players that were there when he was, was Brady…maybe like 3 others. The 05-06 season was his last in New England. The only pieces of the puzzle that were there then were Belichek and Brady I think. Heck not even Welker was there then. There are many different plays, everything is named differently, etc. I think you are oversimplifying to make a point…
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DIdn't say that at all...
Every system changes from one year to the next a little! But the philosophy behind the system doesn’t and neither does the terminology for the naming of plays! Those were thing Branch had to have had a pretty recall of once he got back to NE! Guess you too interested in arguing to understand that…
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You think that was about arguing? Dude you tried to tell us that NOTHING changed in 5 years.
Branch Played in NE w/ those same players and coaches!
He basically knew the system if not the plays!
You told us, in your own words that its the same coaches, same players, same system and same plays. The system MIGHT be the same but the rest of it changed. It was not being argumentative…it was proving your point wrong dude. I know its hard to admit when you are wrong but if you are going to toot your horn when you are right at least have the decency to admit when you are wrong.
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by TrevorR on Jan 12, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So you think all the plays changed?!
ALot are basic plays that stay in the system and are core plays! If you thru quibbling over a crap load of menutia(sp?) and want to have a discussion let me know. Otherwise all your doing is trying to argue!!!
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Look Stroh. You can try to quibble over words and try to backpeddle all you want. You made a point, I made a counterpoint, since then you’ve done nothing to prove your point further except finger point and backpeddle.
Coaches have base plays but their entire playbook isn’t the same. lets face it, one of the reason’s Branch could have a faster impact is because he isn’t a RB. All he has to do is run a route. Its the same argument that people used when Moss first moved, all you’d have to do it is call the play and then look at him and say 10 yard button hook (or whatever). Now Moss failed out but he still was out there A LOT in his first game with MN before falling off the face of the earth.
So again I will repeat, you can make this a discussion by sharing insight, or you can point fingers and bicker. I have been trying to discuss it the entire time…
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Never backpeddled and your the one still arguing!
If you can’t accept that knowing the system and philosophy are much the same thing thats your problem!!! Seems pretty obvious to me… Theres alot more to running routes than telling the guy to run a 10 yd hook. What if he needs to audible? Your totally ignoring the fact that there are route combinations! 2 or more routes working together to create an opening for one or the other!
And isn’t it you that said RB is the easiest position to pick up… Something about rookies can start?! Lynch can be an impact player right away? Now whose backpedaling?!!
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uh…again making things up and trying to say I said them man. Never said any of those things Thanks for playing though.
You’ve been backpeddling the whole time. You went from this:
Played in NE w/ those same players and coaches! He basically knew the system if not the plays!
to this:
Every system changes from one year to the next a little!
Its classic stroh.
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Every system changes a LITTLE!
Don’t selectively pick and chose the words you want to apply!! Still don’t accept the fact that the philosophy of the system is still in place! Minor changes to best apply the system to the current players… Seriously… Just can’t let it go can you?!
Remove context and you can make Hittler look like a god for christs sake! You’ve gone from respected to pathetic! Let it go!!!
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To add
For every trade/signing that worked with immediate gains (Branch, which is not quite an even comparison, as Stroh pointed out), I can give you a bunch that didn’t. Brandon Marshall. Donovan McNabb. Randy Moss x2. Jake Delhomme. Chester Taylor. Housh.
You mean
the Brandon Marshall with 86 receptions for 1,014 yards in 14 games? Look, I understand the point. Of course nothing is guaranteed. It’s all about putting your team in the best position to succeed. Even though the story of the season is not done being written, I just feel that TT did not make the best decision for the Packers at the RB position.
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Brandon Marshall also had Chad Henne throwing the ball
Not Tom Brady
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And Mashawn Lynch would've still had MM calling plays
Even with Grant healthy MM has always been pass-happy.
I'm not disputing that
I’m just saying a Branch-Marshall comparison isn’t a great one either.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Simply uprooting a guy from one team and putting him on another doesn't gurantee success
Especially in the first year. In fact, it proves to take a bit for someone to be successful. Marshall had his worst season in 5 years. He had a better season with Kyle Orton last year than he did this year.
The Dolphins were supposed to be a good wideout from being a force in the AFC. They had an average defense, a good running game, but no big name receivers. They went out, got one, and he did meh. I wasn’t really comparing him to Branch, I was comparing him to Lynch.
Uprooting
But don’t you think the transition is probably more difficult and takes longer for a wide receiver and QB compared to a running back? Almost every guy on your initial list is either a QB or WR, so I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison to Lynch.
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Seriously, the Dmitri Nance that never played a down in the NFL until this year? That’s the guy you are gonna use to make your point about transitioning from one team to another? I have just expelled the last bit of energy I am willing to give to this discussion.
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Glad to hear it
Because he did play, you know, 4 years of college ball.
Yeah but he’s making the argument that just cause a guy was only okay on one team that doesn’t mean he would have been in a different situation. YOu are spinning it back on him but I don’t see him saying that Lynch would have been an ace for us…just saying he thinks it would have been the right move.
It works sometimes, Chambers to SD.
Most of the examples you gave were preseason trades which work quite often. The ones that are being argued here by stroh are midseason trades.
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Only one I was at all involved in was Branch!
There are not multiple ones… And don’t stick me w/ the arguing either!
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uhhh…this wasn’t in response to your comment.
and you are always arguing dude.
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LOL! only when you are involved man…check out your track record, you argue all day with everyone.
Again, you jumped in and tried to make a comment that wasn’t about you…into a comment about you. I think its YOUR specialty, time to start looking in the mirror.
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Just can't let it end...
Having to have the last word is making you look petty! Where in this thread did I argue? I mentioned that Branch played w/ alot of the players and coaches! It wasn’t till YOU jumped in that any argument stated! Guess in your reality that makes it My fault?! RIIIIGGGHHHTT…
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Jumped in...
You might want to check the thread there buddy. There was no agrument whatsoever till YOU showed up and felt it necessary to make it all about YOU! Seems funny that noone else had a problem w/ my saying that Branch knew alot of the players and coaches!
Congrats… You did it agin! You took another of my comments and made it all about you… Seems your the master!
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MY COMMENT WAS IN RESPONSE TO SOMEONE ELSES POINT!!!!!!!!!
Quit being a jackass.
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Comment
Your 1st comment on this thread was in response to someone and I ignored the shot you took at me…
Your 2nd one was directed at me and what started the entire argument that you won’t let go!
Dullusion something you practice?!
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First comment in this thread
But with TT it wasn’t just the usual cumulative effect though. Look at the impact guys THIS year that he brought in that no one else saw:
- Shields, undrafted rookie
- Zombo, undrafted rookie
- Walden, FA
- Starks, 6th round (injured when drafted)
- Quarless, 5h? round
- Crabtree, undrafted rookie
- Howard Green, FA
I am probably missing some. I mean the guy maybe didn’t make a splash but he knows how to find talent where you wouldn’t expect it!!
??
And with that, I am done.
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Like I said who gives crap who started the thread or how many comment!
You started the argument! Own it!!!
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…and you are doing the same thing!
By the way, you might want to check who CREATED the thread. Its MINE…you are the one jumping in and arguing on my fanpost! LOL LMAO!!!!!
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who cares who started it!
does that mean noone is allowed to disagree? I stated the Branch played w/ or for alot of the players. Brady and Belicheck are really the only ones that matter much. The other WR a little. You jumped at me the first chance you got… well 2nd actually but I was big enough to ignore the first remark at me!’
Your getting good at this dellusion thing!
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Ok, Stroh, seriously
The only thing I can possibly see as this “first remark” that you ignored was the statement
I don’t hate the decision like Stroh seems to think
Which is not a shot at you, that’s Trevor clearing up any possible confusion about his position. And I am very curious how his “2nd post” was disrespectful. All he did was disagree with you.
But I’m already regretting getting into this discussion, so that’s all I’m going to say.
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by GoGregGo on Jan 13, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Why even menion me!
He could have easily made that statement just as well w/o bringing me into it! And it makes the point that he did it to try to make me the arguer! There was absolutely NO good reason to put my name or me into it! NONE!!
Read that post w/ my name and without… Either way it changes nothing, but using me makes me the person arguing, not him!!
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Strohman,
I swear you’re the Sarah Palin of APC.
If anyone even mentions you, you immediately launch into some weird, hyper-defensive freakout (complete with !!! and LMAO’s).
Most of the time the whole mess is traceable to you making some completely non-empirical assertion that someone dares to call into question, followed immediately by you totally overreacting to their counterpoint.
A piece of unsolicited advice: it’s okay to take a step back from something you said that was largely conjecture when someone else suggests a different point of view that has at least as much credibility as yours.
In other words, chill out man. Damn.
After all, everyone here is just a fan like you; none of us are football experts.
by 400metres on Jan 13, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Like I said there was NO reason to bring me into it!
None… And doing so only makes me out to be the person starting the arguing! And in this case that is far from the truth! Whatever… I’m done w/ this thread!
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That was a large point that I maintained during the Lynch discussion!
Grant was a total nonfactor in GB for about 9 games! I estimated it would take a good 6 weeks for Lynch to be pretty integrated into the scheme! By then I wasn’t sure that he would make that big a difference over Starks. He might have helped, but you never know when a guy has to learn a new team, teammates, scheme or system!
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actually it was 6-10 weeks as I recall.
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Grant was put on IR as swiftly as possible.
so any discussions about his impact after Week 1 are irrelevant, pure and simple.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 12, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
I meant his first year in GB.
We picked him up right before the season started and he didn’t get any carries till wk 8 or so…
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Gotcha.
But 2007 was arguably an entirely different team with you-know-who running the show.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
But in 07 we didn't have a running game till Grant either.
And he still didn’t get a chance till wk 8 or 9, whatever it was. Same as this year, we had no running game… So the parallels are undeniable and leads to the conclusion that a RB won’t see the field till he knows enough of the system to get on the field.
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or until yhey are ready to give up on the other guy
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I don't think it takes 8 weeks
to figure out the other RB weren’t getting it done! How long did it take this year for everyone to be convinced Jackson wasn’t going to be a featured RB? 2 weeks, 4 at most!
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In all seriousness
Grant is a good parallel to Starks because they both had no NFL experience coming into GB. But if we had picked up Lynch . . . we’re talking about a guy with three NFL seasons under his belt. Again, NO guarantee that he would have been productive. But it seems to me that we might have been able to give him a decent number of touches earlier than your estimated 6 weeks.
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true…but it was also Jackson’s second shot at it. Most of us were already convinced he didn’t have it.
Technically speaking Jackson only started 3 games in his rookie year (I think Wynn started the rest) and if I recall, wasn’t it an injury to Wynn that opened the door for grant? Plus I would argue a high rookie draft pick gets longer to prove himself than someone that has been around for a while (Benson, Kevin Smith, etc)
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high rookie draft pick gets longer to prove himself
That depends if you think Jackson was drafted to be a featured RB… I don’t…
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TT used a second round draft pick
on a RB that wasn’t supposed to be a feature back when his roster at the time consisted of Noah Herron and Vernand Morency? I really don’t think that is the case.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Jackson started 8 college games
Thats all…. And was used almost exclusively as a 3rd down RB, reciever and blocker on passing downs! Thats what he was in college now in the pros… You don’t draft him to be something he never was! You draft him to be who he is!
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then why was he carrying the ball as much as he was in his rookie year?
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Well, a lot of him only starting 8 games had to do with injury
And this article sure makes it sound like the coaching staff saw him as more than just a third down back.
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Maybe that and...
he had 2 freshman playing behind him! Otherwise he might have started NONE!
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Yeah, averaging over 5 yards a carry sure points to someone starting only because of depth
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Yeah, a lot of the things McCarthy says in there seem to indicate that he thought Jackson was doing to be more than a 3rd down Rb. What’s funny is he described him as “instinctive” and “a natural runner”. I just had to laugh cause I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a guy who is more unsure about what hole he wants to after he takes the handoff.
I think he was definitely taken with the thought that he was going to become the featured back. It really doesn’t matter now though because I think we finally have a guy in Starks.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TT is playing chess where most GMs are playing checkers
Great analogy! It really does seem like Thompson is always a step ahead, and more often than not his non-moves even pay dividends!! Judge him not what he does “in the moment” but what he does if the year or more!
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Love this post Trevor
I completely agree. When you preside over a team that’s been as decimated by injuries as this year’s Packers, and:
- you still field the talent necessary to be second in the league in scoring defense,
- you’ve never in the entire season been behind an opponent by more than a touchdown,
- you not only make the playoffs,
- but win a playoff game on the road for the first time in 13 seasons (not to mention the first time ever in Philly) against a legitimate MVP candidate in Michael Vick,
- and are being remarked about by experts as “the best sixth seed I’ve ever seen”,
you are the league’s finest GM hands down. Close the ballot box, it’s over.
And I hear the dissenters re: the Chiefs, Bucs, and Pats, but the x-factor that separates that group of solid candidates from Thompson is the injuries. Maybe those teams are just as deep with talent as the Packers showed themselves to be this year, but that’s the key distinction: the Packers proved it while those other teams didn’t. Thompson stocked that talent and deserves the highest honors for doing so.
He should be it
TT should win it but there are snubbs every year so I don’t know.
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TT should get it
The Pack has overcome a lot of injuries this year. If we beat ATL I would say he’s a lock.
I don’t know if our playoff success really locks up exec of the year…might help Mccarthy get some coach of the year votes, but at this stage TTs work is done, now its in McCarthy’s hands.
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Fire Mikw McMoron!
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
FAILURE
Your punishment is to watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKx9NDxbiSs
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
That is like saying your punishment is...
having detention with Sofia Vergara as your teacher and you are the only one there.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 14, 2011 1:44 AM CST up reply actions
His punishment...
Is to watch a textbook ass-whooping? I like it.
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Thompson’s ability to pick contributors off the streets is uncanny. After 14 guys go on IR, we would be nowhere without the likes of Shields, Walden, Zombo, Howard Green and such.
Ted is also one of the best drafters in the league. He has a great feel for when the players he wants are going to go and isn’t afraid to make trades to maximize his pick value. You gotta give him a pass for the J. Harrell pick. Nobody hits on every 1st rounder. If you want to compare GMs based on only1st round success, Ted makes Ron Wolf look like Matt Millen.
"I agree but dont agree"
haha a little over the top at the end but he’s been VERY good. I think even the TT haters can hate him TOO much after this season.
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A little over the top yes but Rodgers, Hawk, Raji, and CM3 trump George Teague, Wayne Simmons, Aaron Taylor, and Bubba Franks. Also, Harrell is canceled out by Antwan Edwards and Jon Michels. Ron Wolf got a lot of solid role players with his 1st rounders and TT has gotten 3.5 Impact players out of 5 1st round picks (Hawk is better than a role player but not quite Impact level imo). The most questionable year was not even Harrell but 2008 when he traded out of the 1st and ended up with Jordy when we could have had Ray Rice, Desean Jackson or Matt Forte with that pick.
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by juggernaut400 on Jan 11, 2011 2:27 AM CST up reply actions
But you have to give wolf credit for moves like Reggie and Brett. along with other key FAs like Desmond Howard and Andre Rison.
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As stated, I am basing my comparison on drafting in the 1st round, nothing more.
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by juggernaut400 on Jan 11, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I guess I realized that after I posted it. TT’s record in the draft has been pretty amazing actually. Sure he’s had some misses like everyone but he’s been VERY strong in his evaluations. I hope he’s training someone young to take his place one day…maybe Ron Wolf’s son!
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Eliot Wolf!
Maybe in another 10 yrs if he’s still around! Hope Thompson sticks around for a decade more tho!
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Above average Drafter, Good getting Free Agents
Thompson has somewhere in a 30-40% success rate with his drafts and his first (Rodgers) and last two are his best ones. Having a 1/3 rate with Draft Picks is pretty good. But I think what has put the team over the top is his work with FA’s. Charles Woodson has played a huge role in Nick Collins development and is an amazing FA steal. Tramon, Shields etc. Picking up Dom Capers was a great move. Ted really want’s this club to succeed.
by ericforeman04 on Jan 10, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'll add to the Belichick claims:
McCourty (starting CB, best CB from the draft), Gronkowski (starting TE, best TE from the draft), Cunningham (starting OLB), Spikes (starting ILB), traded a 3rd round pick for Carolina’s 2nd round (now #33 overall), Hernandez (starting TE/WR hybrid, top 5 TE from the draft), Mesko (punter, best rookie punter), Kyle Love (starting DT, UDFA), Dane Fletcher (sub defense ILB, sees 50% of defensive snaps, UDFA), picked up Gerard Warren (starting DE), Crumpler (best blocking TE in the league), Danny Woodhead (heard of him?), traded Laurence Maroney (now riding the pine), traded Randy Moss (now riding the pine), traded for Deion Branch (now the #1 receiver), dealt with the Logan Mankins’ hold-out, resigned Tom Brady (starting QB), Vince Wilfork (starting NT), Leigh Bodden (starting CB), Tully Banta-Cain (starting OLB), Stephen Gostkowski (K) and Mike Wright (starting DE) to long term contracts.
Add in the injury list (lost Leigh Bodden (starting CB), Ty Warren (starting DE), Brandon McGowan (starting SS) and Nick Kaczur (starting RT) to injured reserve in the preseason, lost Mike Wright (starting DE), Stephen Neal (starting RG), Kevin Faulk (captain and 3rd down/pass blocking RB), Ron Brace (starting DE after Warren’s injury), Stephen Gostkowski (K) and Jonathan Wilhite (nickel CB) to injured reserve during the season, lost Fred Taylor (starting RB), Myron Pryor (sub-defense DT), Dan Connolly (starting LG during Mankins’ hold out and starting RG after Neal’s injury), and Pat Chung (starting SS) for extensive time during the regular season and Brandon Spikes (starting ILB) to suspension.
Belichick also dealt with the loss of his defensive coordinator Dean Pees.
I’d say his resume is pretty solid.
Belichick’s best executive skill is his ability to fleece bad teams out of their future high draft picks. My hat is off to him for that.
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by juggernaut400 on Jan 11, 2011 2:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think Bill Belichick has a close relationship with Al Davis
No way a healthy GM or owner would make the decisions of trading Randy Moss for a 4th Round Pick and giving up a 1st Round Pick for a 30 year old Richard Seymour. What I mean by healthy is: Not being mentally retarded….I give Belichick much props for recognizing such idiots around the league. Ok, so he took advantage of one idiot….So it’s either: Al Davis is a complete idiot, Belichick is close friends with Davis (so they made a deal), or Davis lost a big poker game to Belichik and was forced to make such silly decisions.
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Brent Favre is the cheater!!!!!
Seriously…some of his trades make me wonder if he’s actually playing Madden or something. They are the kind of deals I used to do on that game.
Trading a mid 3rd for a next round high 2nd is GENIUS!!!!
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i want that pick traded next year for some 1st rd pick and some 3rd rd picks
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Belichick had a great year
But in my opinion the Injury bug put Ted over the top.All Those injuries and still the #2 scoring defense.Lose your best player on offense outside AR lose your starting running back. I don’t think any team has absorbed the losses the Packers have and still looked so strong.
I'd be surprised
I like Ted Thompson, and think he has been doing a great job, but I don’t know if he is flashy enough to win the award. He’s plugged a lot of holes, but didn’t make any big free agent signings or coaching changes. I can’t think of many guys that do a better job, but he may be too low key to get an award for it.
Also the jury is still out on this year’s draft. Last year’s CM3 trade left him with only 3 picks in the first four rounds. And while Bulaga looks like he will be solid if unspectacular, Neal and Burnett played very little before landing on IR.
What are you talking about
Burnett was looking like a ballhawking safety when he got injured as a starter. Mike Neal was looking like a steal where he was drafted. He’ll be a potential starter next season if Jenkins isn’t signed. Quarless is getting significant time as a rookie. Finley if you remember didn’t light it up his rookie season. Bulaga starts.
Bulaga and Burnett starting right away make it a very successful draft already with more to come. I didn’t think anyone could question the value of this years draft.
I’m as optimistic about Neal and Burnett as the next guy, but I think its way to premature to call this a great draft. Its all moot anyway.
A guy like Pioli not only saw his team turn around, but he also hired a new coach Haley – who is in the running for coach of the year), got a (kinda) big name quarterback in FA (Cassel), and got a gimme #5 pick in Erik Berry who had a great year and the TE Moeaki (sp?).
Thompson did a great job of plugging holes, and in the past has drafted well. I just don’t think plugging holes and finding diamonds in the rough is going to win an award. I’d be happy to see him get it though
Haley and Cassel were both moves from last year, not this year
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Also, he got Cassel in a trade, not FA
Greinke: "It’s not about the guacamole itself. I just don’t want to let them win."
Yep.
Cassel was given the franchise tag and then traded with Mike Vrabel for the 34th overall selection in the 2009 Draft. That pick became Patrick Chung.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a win/win...
NE got a really good safety prospect for a QB who wasn’t going to see the field and an aging vet that NE was wanting to replace… Though KC might have gotten a young franchise type QB, which seriously tips the scale in their favor!
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I don’t think it’s premature. I made sure to watch Neal a good deal of the snaps he played and the guy is an animal. The only way he won’t explode next season is if his injury was really, really serious and still affecting him. I feel pretty similar about Burnett too, though I don’t think he looked as good as Neal did.
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by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Amazing that there is still a group of idiots out there
who still think TT sucks because of the Favre-thing (i.e. one of the most intelligent and ballsy management moves ever). Check out the comments that follow the “It Looks Like Thompson was right all along” article on Yahoo. These people are hopeless head-case losers. Too bad some of these people still call themselves Packers fans, kind of like shit in the pool.
For those offended by this, all I have to say is “just stay purple, and just poison the competition as much as you like.”
TT is brilliant and the best, said it 2+ years ago and it has proven itself on the field of play.
Most fans would give their left nut to have Ted as their GM
I was on a Cowboy thread that was super complimentary of the Packers. They were talking about our depth and the 14 guys on IR and next season when they come back well have to get rid of 14 of them to make the 53. They feel our cuts are quality players for their team to pick up and that’s before we add more through the draft. That’s the GM’s #1 job and IMO there is no one better.
Besides the Farve thing some people in the media as well as fans don’t like Ted’s percieved lack of personality and that he doesn’t provide them information or a sound bite. Personally, I like it that way, he’s secure enough in himself he avoids the spotlight and doesn’t ever reveal the hand he’s dealing.
He has built us for being a contender quite a few years. The only other team that I clearly see being long term contenders is New England with their youth and all the draft choices they have coming up.
So all I can say is Ted keep doing what your doing I wouldn’t trade you for anyone else
I remember this year we had a record number of players that were picked up after cut day this year…that shows that our GM clearly had quality players that weren’t good enough to even make our roster. I had a hunch we had something good right there. Never thought we’d be this good with this many injuries!
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stocked cupboard
One item I’ve not really seen anyone touch on other than The Yooper is the value of our reserves. Flynn earned himself a lot of money by his performance againts the Pats. How many teams have a backup that good? And with a year in MM’s QB School, the evolution of Harrell might just allow us the freedom to trade Flynn for say a 3rd or a 4th rounder.
There are lots of other positions (like inside linebacker), but I really don’t want to be nitpicked to death about some of my opinions. Last I checked, no NFL owner was saying “Gern, you kicked @$$ in your fantasy league, come manage my real team.” Meaning, we’re all arm chair GM’s and we won’t ever have an opportunity to know who’s “right” or not.
TT knows what he’s doing. It’s as simple as that. It’s almost as if he says “don’t tell me what the guy CAN’T do. I’ll tell you what he CAN do and make sure MM puts him in a position to succeed.”
I can’t lie…our coaching staff has some real talent with developing young players. Thompson clearly knows (with MOST positions) what you need to look for in young players to succeed on this team. This group has us in a position to be awesome for a LONG time as long as ST and stupid mistakes/decisions don’t kill us!
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