Jarrett Bush: Finally Improving?
by arodgb on Oct 27, 2011 6:15 PM CDT
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PrintI'm not a Jarrett Bush fan. There's a very, very small portion of Packer fans who actually like Jarrett Bush. The vast majority hates him, and for good reason. Blown coverages, terrible tackling, and a knack for making a bad play have had Packer fans in the past calling for his head (Including me, many, MANY times).
But this year, there seems to be a slight difference. In fact, even during last year, there seemed to be a little different player. Becoming a special teams captain and [ace] kept Bush around. Then, in the Super Bowl, Bush lucked his way to an interception on a jumped route and destroyed the Steelers momentum. However, playing poorly in the Super Bowl (five catches allowed on six attempts, and one touchdown where he was embarrassed by Hines Ward) didn't help his cause much with Packer fans.
So this year, many of us expected more of the same. Bad coverage by Bush, good ST play. Well, that hasn't exactly been the case. Lets take a look at some stats:
Jarrett Bush in Coverage: 151 snaps, targeted 18 times, allowed ten catches for a 55.66% catch rating. Allowed 128 yards, or 12.8 yards a catch. Allowed one touchdown on a VERY questionable touchdown call in Carolina (Bush was beat, but I thought he did a good job of getting back to the ball and breaking the pass up). Lucky interception in Atlanta (in garbage time), where he was beat, but Ryan under-threw it and Bush ended up catching it off a tip. 5 total passes defensed. Has committed no penalties this year.
Jarrett Bush in run defense and pass rush: Two sacks (including a beautifully designed and perfectly executed corner blitz by Capers in which Bush should've stripped the football), one quarterback hit. Twelve tackles and seven run stops. ZERO missed tackles.
Jarrett Bush on Special Teams: Three missed tackles. Not one special teams tackle this whole year. Has downed a couple punts inside the five, but also whiffed on a close call in the Saints game, near the end.
So what exactly does this conclude? Yes, the sample size is very small, and yes, Jarrett Bush shouldn't be on this team. But the numbers suggest an improvement, and I'm not going to cringe quite as hard the next time I see Bush running into the game. One bad play could change that, though, so I'm not holding my breath.
What do you think? Let me know in the comments!
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We really don't have any corner to move ahead of him,
We have House, but he looked a bit confused in the preseason, and he probably isn’t ready yet. Bush has looked improved, and has actually made a few big plays (INT and the 2 sacks) so he should stay in that 4th corner role now.
Is Royce Da 5'9" actually 5'9"? The world may never know.
I thought he really played well against Minn as a "starter"
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Oct 27, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think this is true....
There’s a very, very small portion of Packer fans who actually like Jarrett Bush. The vast majority hates him
maybe a couple years ago, but for the most part I think most Packer fans like the guy, especially on Special Teams. He’s not the greatest corner we have, but I wouldn’t say we hate him.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Oct 27, 2011 7:06 PM CDT reply actions
I hate him when he's on the field at the same time as CMIII.
When he’s on the team with Masthay or Crosby, I like him.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Oct 27, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, just a special teams guy. The guy still looks lost in coverage. He just doesn’t have very good awareness. It’s a shame too because he appears to have really good speed and quickness.
Fire Slocum
I guess for being the 5th highest paid defensive player I expect better coverage skills
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by Wiedmann on Oct 28, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's not counting Nick Collins
This season’s base salaries:
1. CB Charles Woodson ($7.85 mil)
2. CB Tramon Williams ($1 mil + $3.5 mil roster bonus)
3. ILB AJ Hawk ($1.15 million + $1.8 mil roster bonus)
4. S Nick Collins ($2.9 mil) [IR]
5. DL Ryan Pickett ($2.7 mil)
6. DB Jarrett Bush ($1.4 mil)
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wow
I’m not sure if I’m more impressed that CWood is the only D player getting paid, or sick that Bush isnt paying us to be on the team. While Bush has shown on a couple of plays this year (omg, did you see that one where he actually turned around and didnt drop 10 yards from his guy) he might be improved.. that still doesnt say much about him. Yeah, we got a couple special team plays out of him, but big whoop. I just cross my fingers House climbs over him on the depth chart and that he doesnt play CB, ever.
Yeah, I get that he’s pretty good on ST’s but not good nearly good enough to be the 6th highest player on the defense.
As for House — I think he will. There was a lot of buzz about him in training camp. I think injuries have slowed him down quite a bit, as well as not having a real offseason.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 29, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Instead of looking at him as the 6th highest pd Defensive player.
You could Chose to look at it as he is THE highest paid ST player! And deservedly so… Thats really what he is paid for, not Defense!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Hard to justify him making more than some of the guys he’s ahead of.
He’s a fine ST’s player. Just don’t know if any ST’s player is worth a $1M+ a year.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 29, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at the link just below.
Anyone lower than Bush is on a rookie contract yet. So they will get there soon, when their rookie contracts are expiring. No sense in paying them more than Bush, when you don’t have to. And I have no problem whatsoever paying one of the better ST players around over 1M per. Money well spent IMO. And we matched his contract that another team, Tenn I think, offered him, so apparenty other teams thought pretty highly of his ST play!
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by Strohman on Oct 29, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Didn't Bishop just get a new contract?
Matthews, Raji, and Burnett are on rookie contracts. Since both Matthews and Raji were first rounders, I wonder what they are making this year.
no need to wonder.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/130325418.html
Raji at an ave of just over 3M, and Matthews at almost 2M. Give Raji, the money Pickett is making in a year or 2, and Matthews about what Woodson is making in a year or 2. Both are integral parts of the D, that Capers will build the entire D around.
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That means that the above post is incorrect
Bush isn’t number 5 in pay. Raji, Matthews and Bishop are all making more than him, too. That puts him at #8, meaning he makes more than Walden, Wynn and Burnett and Peprah (of the 12 who play the most: base and nickel).
Those are the cap numbers (Notice how Justin Harrell is making $1.193 mil)
My post is base salaries. Two different things.
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Okay
I’m not sure which number is the better indicator of pay. What are Raji, Matthews and Bishop making in base salary? I’d think that esp Bishop with a new contract would be making more than Bush.
Base salaries
BJ Raji ($955,000)
Clay Matthews ($660,000)
Desmond Bishop ($1.188 mil)
and you missed a player he’s making more than in your previous list: Sam Shields, who signed a 3 year/$1.223 mil contract, meaning Bush will make more in 2011 than Shields will make in 2010, 2011, and 2012 combined.
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Thats how rookie contracts work...
Not just w/ the Packers, league wide. Shields, Walden, Wynn are on rookie contracts. Bush is not… When a valuable player come due for a contract you have to pay market value. Thats all that the Packers did! Especially since Tenn established the market.
As for contracts, you HAVE to include bonus money in calculating it… W/o it you have no true indicator of a players actual worth, since the bonus money is nothing more than a way to guarentee some of the money!
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by Strohman on Oct 31, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's done well.
and it took ward a ton of moves to get past him for the TD. not really his fault. as for this year, he had a great TD breakup last week that should have been offensive pass interference. Never understand why that’s never called.
place keeper
I am not a Bush fan but I will say that he is doing a lot better this year (actually showing some awareness on the field). He’ll make a good place keeper until House or someone else can step up into the CB4 spot.
Big time Jarrett Bush fan here...
The reason I like him so much is he’s a defensive version of Kuhn. Not very talented, but scrappy as heck and occasionally comes up with a big play.
His major drawback is locating the ball in the air. Also, aesthetically not very fluid, very herky-jerky in motion.
Hopefully one day the “boos” for Bush will turn into a Kuhn-like “Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush” chant, like he deserved when he made that incredible special teams play at the end of the Vikes game (I did a buuuuush chant right then watching the game with a crowd of fans, but they looked at me strange)
If we release him like some suggest, 31 teams would jump all over themselves for his services. Heck of a bottom-of-the roster game changer.
A hater no longer
I used to hate him like everyone else, and at the time it was justified.
But everyone needs to get used to the idea that Jarrett Bush is a good player now. He just is.
Does he make some mistakes here and there? Of course, everyone does. But they’re few and far between, and never does he make the “he doesn’t know what he’s doing out there” mistakes anymore. And for every mistake there’s a really nice play to go along with it. He’s good in coverage, and you never see him on STs except when he’s making a good play, such as downing the ball inside the 3, like he did in the last game.
He’s good now. Accept it.
by Curly Lambeau on Oct 28, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Corner can take a while to learn
It’s not often that a guy walks into the league and becomes a starting caliber corner. Typically it takes two or three years for a guy to really turn into a reliable CB…maybe it just took Bush a little bit longer. His cover skills have definitely gotten better and I think he’s the second best blitzing corner we have.
by PackApologist on Oct 28, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s def a good blitzing corner.
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But...scapegoat...
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
This!
A hater no longer
I used to hate him like everyone else, and at the time it was justified.
But everyone needs to get used to the idea that Jarrett Bush is a good player now. He just is.
Rec’d.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
He is SUPER improved in pass coverage...
But in addition to that I think he is totally valuable on special teams… it always seems like he is the one to down the ball inside the ten. He is the gunner, this is why he doesn’t have ant ST tackles, because he is running full sprint towards the endzone, trying to get there before the ball does. And he does, usually.
A samurai sword collection. If you can do it. I don’t know if you’re allowed.
by TwoShoesMcGooze on Oct 28, 2011 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
Still doing well on ST
He has downed 2 punts, I think, inside the 5, and he should have had another – I think it was a bad call that put it at the twenty.
Like everyone else is saying he has gotten better as a corner. When you watch other teams play, you realize how few decent corners there are in the NFL. In Bush we’ve got a pretty good 4th corner. I would never have said that last year.
Ice Cubes: Finally hot?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Umad?: Finally Happy?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
PPF: Finally Right in the Head?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Blas: Finally MOD?
:-)
Jay Cutler, first NFL quarterback to beat a playoff team with a losing record.
by arodgb on Oct 28, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
How long has the BLAS4MOD movement been going?
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Oct 28, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly don't even know when it started.
This is the first BLAS 4 MOD post.
read the " blas 4 mod" as saying MPOD
and was confused. Didn’t think there were a ton of DJK fans around here. by shake n bake (colts fan)
I think he picked up on it from a tag in the OT threads. OBSIMH may have to explain lol.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 28, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do I always get dragged into these things!?!?!?
Shhh, its ok……
Yeah, its ok, I guess…
Mkay, thats better.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Oct 29, 2011 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think that Bush is finally improving.
I think that you’re finally beginning to see the light. :)
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
No....
his coverage is starting to look better. He didn’t look completely lost against Minn…he was actually facing the offense during most of the pass attempts.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Oct 29, 2011 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Bush
Is looking better in coverage. But like you said, he was facing the offense. The Packers have had to play alot more zone coverage this year than the past couple years. That plays to Bush’s strength. And why I’ve always said he’s a better Safety than CB. He played well in man vs the vikes, but that was the vikes who have zero talent at WR outside of Harvin.
But I also agree w/ NorthStarr… It looks like people are starting to see the light. He and I seemed to be the only ones who didn’t hate Bush for what he isn’t, but liked him for what he is. Not like we’re huge fans of his, just that we have accepted him for what he is, something others are finally doing I think.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
He and I seemed to be the only ones who didn’t hate Bush for what he isn’t, but liked him for what he is. Not like we’re huge fans of his, just that we have accepted him for what he is, something others are finally doing I think.
See that’s the thing. He used to be the nickel back and he was horrible at it. I know that’s why I started to dislike him, and I’m sure it’s the same with others. And on top of that, back then, he got a ton of ST’s penalties too.
It’s great that he finally got better on ST’s last season but that was what, his 5th season with us? Sorry, if I find it a little ridiculous that it took him 4 years to finally become serviceable to good. That’s just on special teams too. It’d be different if it was on offense or defense.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bush was a college WR till his Sr season, so its not surprising that he took awhile to develop as a CB. Not all college WR have the athleticism and speed of Shields that they can just walk into the NFL and be good CB’s. Some players just take a little longer to develop than others. And since some other team (Tenn?) gave him the contract that the Packers matched, kinda means other teams saw him as top ST player even before last year. Seems you should be happy that he has developed into a good player instead of criticizing him for not doing it soon enough to please the average fan!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
My problem is that it took him 4 years to figure ST’s out. Tennessee probably wanted him because he’s a really athletic guy. They probably thought they could coach him into something.
I’m not trying to criticize him, I just think this whole “Oh my God, Bush is way better” movement is border line ridiculous. Like I said, it took him like four seasons to finally figure ST’s out. Maybe I’m wrong on this but I feel like ST’s is something you should figure out by year two, and at the very latest year three.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 29, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If he was really athletic he would be a much better CB.
Athletically, he’s a marginal or average NFL player at best. He lacks explosive speed and his quickness isn’t great either from what I’ve seen of him. I don’t think he is way better, just continuing the path he’s been on for the past 4 years. I don’t think Tenn signed him to be a solid CB, just to be a very good ST player. He did have too many penalties on ST, but that ended yea before last. He is just a marginal NFL athlete, so he isn’t ever going to be a top CB on defense.
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He’s a pretty darn good athlete. I’ve seen McCarthy regularly call Tramon Williams possibly the best athlete on the team, and Bush’s numbers compare pretty favorably to his. His numbers are relatively similar to Shields too.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1114773 — Bush
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66392&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB — Shields
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=18831&draftyear=2006&genpos=CB — Williams
Granted, none of them might be considered among the most athletic CB’s. I think he’s plenty athletic though. I think he’d be a good CB if he had any awareness — like at all. He’s actually usually in decent position, he just never finds the ball.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 29, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree he's lacking awareness.
He has some speed, but its a building kinda speed, not that explosive kind that makes Hester such an open field terror. And I’m not terribly impressed by his quickness either. I’ve worked w/ some pretty good athletes and just don’t see Bush as being anything more than average as an NFL athlete. As far as NFL CB’s go, I would say Bush is probably below average in athletic ability. Just don’t see him ever make a Sudden movement or have that BURST to really beat a man w/ speed. He can run well enough, but just doesn’t have that extra gear or explosive movement needed at times. Shields has that extra gear and explosive attribute that seperates him athletically from others. Williams to me is a better athlete than Bush, hands down… Plus Williams is an accomplished technician
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
More of the special BS
You simply don’t know. Why not leave it at that? I’ve read enough and seen enough of Bush play to see that lack of athleticism is NOT his problem. Actually check out the link above. The guy is a hell of an athlete. Even on the blown coverages that he has had, it has not been because he couldn’t keep with his guy, but because he loses the ball in the air.
And it didn’t take Bush 4 years to learn to play ST. He had one year in which he had a lot of ST penalties, and he’s had 4 very good ST years with the Packers (including this year).
Makes Sense....
Considering he hasn’t made ONE play in recent memory that made me go, ‘Wow, that was really athletic!’
Jay Cutler, first NFL quarterback to beat a playoff team with a losing record.
Didn't say it was his only problem! Instincts are his other problem.
He’s OK overall as an athlete. Cetainly not great, and not poor either, just an average athlete as far as CB’s are concerned. CB is the position that relies on athleticism more than any other position in the game. Bush doesn’t have explosiveness and IMO, his quickness isn’t good, either. Look at the best CB to ever play, not one of them ever got by on marginal athleticism. CB take the most athleticism in football and close to any sport period. Bush played very well on ST last year as well. Thats all I said, not that it didn’t take him 4 years. It did…
BTW I got my degree in exercise physiology and have worked w/ athletes in many sports. So I was trained to know what an athlete looks like! Far more than the average fan who knows nothing about how to spot it and what it all takes to be an athlete! You know, kinda like an Accountant is trained to know more about taxes and accounting!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
So when I chose to speak about athleticism
and athletes you should choose to listen!!!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
I read what you write
and basically you seldom seem to know as much as you think you do. You confuse arrogance for intelligence.
by MikeDB on Oct 31, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Funny thats not what people that know think!
People that know football more than you think I know alot! So I could care less what you think!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
That may be true for different opinions of his sometimes...
but I tend to trust people who talk about specifics in their field of expertise.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 1, 2011 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny,
when those of us with a financial or accounting background were arguing with you about the Packers financial statements not being a representative of the rest of the league you weren’t listening to us…
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
by Kuhl on Oct 31, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Maybe I gave up on arguing with you before then
because I don’t remember that. Never mind, it doesn’t matter…
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
His way of admitting it is to stop arguing about it.
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by TrevorR on Nov 1, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
It didn't take him 4 years to become a good ST player
“Tied for second on the team with 12 special teams tackles in 2010, his fifth straight season with a double-digit tackle total on special teams as he became the first Packer to do so since LB Guy Prather (1981-85)”
See his bio.
The tackle stat is good but there is no stat for running down the wrong lane or getting a penalty. He’s good now, and was last season too but up until that point he always looked pretty average to me on ST’s. Granted, I’m not expert.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 31, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Bush was not a WR until his Sr season. He was a WR at JrCo and then during his Soph season at Utah State he switched to CB. see his bio.
Correction
It was while still in Junior College before transferring to Utah State that he switched to CB. Then he played 2 years at Utah State, where he was also a track star.
Whatever...
Point still stands. I was going off memory and knew he played WR in college. But don’t let that stop you from being argumentative!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Just replying to the fool who likes to be argumentative
by MikeDB on Oct 31, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
By being argumentative?!
So how does that make me different than You?!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Oct 31, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude…these are the comments that make you lose all respect. This isn’t you admitting you were wrong, this is you being pigheaded. Just say, “Shoot, thought it was his Sr year, thanks for verifying”. STop being a douche…you are the one being argumentative in this one.
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by TrevorR on Nov 1, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Normally, I don't like these arguments
but I got tired of the arrogance and the insults. There are several people on here who comment and like to make analysis of what is happening with the Packers. Most of us realize that we are fans, and readily admit that in reality we often simply don’t know enough to make final judgments. But we enjoy speculating. Trevor, you do this, and you always remain in the reality that you are fan with limited knowledge of what’s going on. I do this. Some of the speculations are off-base. Strohman, on the other hand, seems to be seriously deluded into thinking that he actually knows, and then he will insult anyone who disagrees with him. It can get tiresome.
I simply love the Packers and like to read about them and comment about players that I like. Probably, I’ll stop responding to Strohman, ignoring the *****s in your life is often the best way to handle it. Sorry to anyone else who got put off by reading these comments and arguments.
by MikeDB on Nov 1, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I tried for like twenty minutes then gave up. It was a sad moment.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Well at least nobody is beating around the Bush talking about Jarrett in this thread.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Oct 31, 2011 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
If you don't write it...
I’mwritingaboutwhyTTsucksatlife.
Jay Cutler, first NFL quarterback to beat a playoff team with a losing record.
And I look forward to your column....
if it’s good, we could make it a weekly!
In Every Climb and Place....
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