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Packers Coaches and Staff to be Raided?

Ran into an interesting article * from profootballweekly.com today. It talked about all the talent behind the scenes in GB that could get raided in this upcoming season. I know a lot of these names are names that WE know but it sounds like the rest of the league has taken note and this could be a year where we start to lose some of our talented coordinators, coaches, and even office guys. I think Capers will be safe. I don't see another team putting him in charge, but you never know I guess. Here are the rest the article mentioned (after the jump).


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Here are five guys that Erik Edholm mentioned as possible candidates to move onto other teams in the wake of us building this juggernaut of a team:

Director/football operations Reggie McKenzie: The Raiders are said to be very interested in speaking to McKenzie for their would-be general manager position after the death of Al Davis. McKenzie is respected as a personnel man, despite a lack of experience on the college side of things. He has been with the team for 18 years, serving 10 as pro personnel director, having worked with former Packers GM Ron Wolf, who is one of the key advisors in the Raiders' search committee. McKenzie also played for the team — albeit when it was in Los Angeles — from 1985 to 1988. One interesting note: McKenzie has already interviewed for the Falcons, Texans and Titans, and some in the NFL feel he's a bit comfortable in Green Bay.

I like hearing that a coach feels too comfortable here in GB...hopefully TT takes care of these guys so we don't lose too many...

QB coach Tom Clements: Clements is an extremely bright and scholarly coach who has been a huge reason for Aaron Rodgers'(notes) success, and some have compared their coach-QB, hand-in-glove relationship to that of Tom Moore and Peyton Manning(notes). Notre Dame reportedly was interested in talking to Clements for their head-coaching job before Brian Kelly(notes) got it, and the Packers have fended off a few NFL teams (including the rival Bears) that have sought to interview him for a coordinator position. Some say that he might be the most prepared to be a head coach on the Packers' staff.

I can't believe we have a talent like Clements focused just on QBs, this guy will inevitably be stolen away at some point. Lets just hope its not to one of our offensively inept division rivals (not talking about the Lions). I am a little surprised he's never gotten a shot anywhere as an HC or something yet. I hope he's around for a long time though, he's coached up two of the greats in the game!

Vice president of football administration/player finance Russ Ball: He might have been the team's secret MVP during the Super Bowl season, managing the financial situation in a cap-less season in which the Packers managed injuries, spent the money they had to compete and still managed to smartly extend a few players' long-term deals. A former strength coach, Ball is smart, measured and even-keeled and has a comparable track record to Titans GM Mike Reinfeldt. Some feel Ball might be best in a president's role overseeing the big picture rather than as a GM. He's also a candidate to replace GM Ted Thompson whenever he steps down.

All well run places have ladders set up with people in line to take over if certain people leave the company (contingency plan). If this article is right, and Ball is the candidate to replace TT down the line, I don't think he'll be going anywhere. I am sure he'll be well compensated and knowing that TT doesn't plan to be around forever, he'll get his chance soon enough.

Assistant head coach/ILB coach Winston Moss: Not everyone is enamored with Moss, but Mike McCarthy clearly trusts him and he's considered a players' coach. The Eagles were interested in him as a defensive coordinator option this offseason, and he would appeal to several teams because he's young (45), technology-savvy, knowledgeable about different schemes, a former player (11 years in the NFL) and as a minority, he would qualify as a Rooney Rule candidate.

I was worried we were going to lose Moss last year. I think he's going to be a guy we see listed in this kind of article every year until he's actually gone. The fact that he's a minority means he's going to get extra invites out to teams but all it takes is impressing one of them. I think he'll be gone in the next year or two at the most. His title saves him from being taken by a team for the same position (sometimes teams will hire for the same position and add the Asst HC title to it so its a "promotion") so that is a bonus to keep him around a little longer!

Director of college scouting John Dorsey: The Packers' draft record over the past 11 years, under Dorsey's watch, stacks up with almost any other team. Dorsey's reputation among many of his peers is that he is a top-five college director, a former linebacker and grinder on the scouting circuit who outworks many others with his title. But Dorsey tried to follow Mike Holmgren out to Seattle, and it was a nightmare; Dorsey was back in Green Bay a year later. Many have said his high-strung personality might keep him from getting jobs elsewhere.

You don't hear much about scouts like this. Being that TT came through this path, I am sure this is a guy that is almost his right hand man. I bet he won't go anywhere.

Assistant director of player personnel Eliot Wolf: Some will make Theo Epstein comparisons because of his age (29), and Wolf's name (he's Ron's son) likely will move him up the chain quickly. His confidence is growing, and Wolf likely will ascend within the Packers' ranks as others leave.

DL coach Mike Trgovac: A former defensive coordinator in Carolina who likely is best as a positional coach, per insiders, but could earn some interviews based on his track record.

Secondary/safeties coach Darren Perry: Another candidate for the Eagles' defensive coordinator job, Perry has done a nice job the past few seasons with Nick Collins(notes) and Morgan Burnett(notes) and has experience working with Dick LeBeau and Dom Capers, which is attractive to prospective employers.

Secondary/CB coach Joe Whitt Jr.: Has been compared to a young Mike Tomlin in that he played wide receiver in college but has become a bright, young defensive coach. Also enjoys the scouting process and has worked wonders with undrafted CBs Tramon Williams(notes) and Sam Shields(notes). Could rise quickly.

 Who else do you think he missed as someone that could see some attention? I don't think Whitt will be gone too soon as our secondary seems to have taken a step back this year. I think Darren Perry might get some more attention though...he's helped Burnett and Peprah make great strides in the last year or so!

 

* - I linked to the yahoo version because I find PFW's site annoying because they have videos that automatically start playing and making noise which makes them unfriendly for work!

Poll
Which of the five personnel would you hate to see get signed away by another team the most?
Director/football operations Reggie McKenzie
97 votes
QB coach Tom Clements
204 votes
Vice president of football administration/player finance Russ Ball
34 votes
Assistant head coach/ILB coach Winston Moss
22 votes
Director of college scouting John Dorsey:
86 votes

443 votes | Poll has closed

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Losing Darren Perry could be the worst

I think that he is in line to be the next defensive coordinator after Capers, but who knows how long that might be.

by MikeDB on Oct 31, 2011 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Joe Whitt Jr.

Losing Perry might be the easiest coach to replace because of Joe Whitt Jr.. I don’t think that we would see much if any drop off from our secondary if we keep Whitt and lose Perry. Whitt seems to be able to get the best out of players.

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by cpocraig on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I'm saying is

Perry is going to be a very good defensive coordinator some day. It’d be nice if it were for the Packers. Capers is near the age when he might retire or he could get a head coaching offer, so having Perry to promote would be good.

by MikeDB on Oct 31, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

McKenzie

His name has come up recently, but what a laundry list. They mentioned nearly everyone.

I wouldn’t want McKenzie and Dorsey to leave because the Packers scouting department has been so good. I’m sure Clements is a good coach, but there is a lot of coaching talent still on staff even without him.

If McKenzie did leave, I hope he wouldn’t leave for Oakland. Hue Jackson seems to control the entire operation there now, and McKenzie would just be taking orders from a possibly impulsive coach (see Carson Palmer trade).

by Brandon on Oct 31, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Hue Jackson controls thing by default…who else is going to do it? No one else (clearly) knows anything about football…they are probably just a bunch of yes men who have learned to just stay out of Davis’ way. He’s proabably capable to turn that ship around. I’d rather see him go there than in the NFC somewhere! :-)

I think Hue Jackson is impulsive right now cause there is so much insecurity. The head man is dead, and he has to prove himself NOW or he might be gone. He went balls to the walls hoping that Carson still had it in him and we’ll just have to see. If McKenzie did go there, it would be a long time before his impact would be felt since they’ve already given away the 2012 draft!

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by TrevorR on Oct 31, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is...

Having a HC being involved in the hiring of his superior. It creates a backwards power structure. The GM should always have total control of everything, including the HC. Its why Wolf turned down the GM job in GB a couple years before we did hire him. The Executive Committee had say in the hiring of the HC and GM. I don’t know that McKenzie would be in a position of authority over Jackson in Oakland and might have to answer to him. Thats just a bad setup in a power structure…

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by Strohman on Oct 31, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I haven’t seen anything saying that Jackson would be involved in the hire though, and why would he? Its not like he’s Bill Parcells or something. I am sure they’ll have some kind of committee involved and maybe he’s a part of it (which might be an odd thing). But ultimately they need a high quality, experienced guy to take that place over and start to change things a little and get them some respect.

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by TrevorR on Nov 1, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did...

Not sure where I heard or read it, but it did indicate that Hue would be involved in the hiring process of the new GM. I think it was a SF/Oak area reporter or maybe the blogger for the AFC West, on ESPN. Either way it did say he was going to be heavily involved in the hiring of the GM. To the point that it sounded like Jackson would have as much or more actual power in the Raiders as the new GM. IMO, thats just a bad idea, but don’t know if theres alot of choice at this point. They just weren’t prepared enough for Al Davis finally calling it a career!

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by Strohman on Nov 1, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they should just make Jackson the GM/HC.

Or at least give it a shot. Like you said, the heirarchy gets messed up if you start handing out temporary titles then screwing with the system after the fact.

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 2, 2011 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm never a fan of the GM/HC combo

IMO there are plenty of people who can be successful in either job, but only a few who can do both at the same time.

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by Kuhl on Nov 2, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes! How did that work out for the Vikings with their three headed monster? They set themselves back about 5 years doing that. BAD idea Raider Nation.

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by TrevorR on Nov 3, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yucky.

The 2005 draft was an unmitigated disaster.
The 2006 draft wasn’t much better, although Greenway has turned into a solid LB. Cedric Griffin goes from streaks of average to streaks of awful. Ray Edwards and Tavaris Jackson are at least starting for other teams…
The 2007 draft produced Peterson and Robison, but Sidney Rice is in a different castle!
The 2008 draft produced Tyrell Johnson, John David Booty (LOL)…and some very disappointing players otherwise.
They’ve made the effort to keep all of their 2009 draft selections, if nothing else. But last year

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 3, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

GAH!

Was not much to write home about. I liked the pick of Christian Ballard; it’ll be interesting to see what happens there.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 3, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Peterson pick kinda fell into their lap. He was a top 3 pick that amazingly fell to them. They would have been idiots to pass on that one. Anyone could have made that one. Man…I hadn’t done the looking but those were some ROUGH drafts. They did a few nice FA moves and trades though in that time.

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by TrevorR on Nov 3, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding on the rough drafts...

They did get some great seasons out of Pat Williams and Antoine Winfield in FA, as well as Ben Leber, but given how Brad Johnson went from savior in 05 to garbage in 2006? That team practically walked into the Peterson selection.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 4, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget their trade for Jared Allen as well. They lost a bunch of draft picks for that one so that probably affected their draft class. Even though we had him, you can’t deny he’s been a good acquisition for the team.

And they signed Bernard Ber…er nevermind.

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by TrevorR on Nov 4, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Successful teams

I think of the Packers over the past 2 decades, the Steelers for nearly 4 decades, the Patriots, the Cowboys (pre-Jerry Jones). These are teams that let businessmen run the business end and football people run the football end of the operation.

The Cowboys and Packers are good examples. Both teams got away from simply allowing football people to make football decisions based upon what is best for the teams from a football-playing perspective. The Packers started getting sentimental and bringing in Bart Starr and Forest Gregg, who weren’t ready to be head coaches. Then they got college guys. The Cowboys were successful until Jerry Jones decided he wanted a football team as his toy.

I guess in the long run, I don’t care that much if Oakland remains a mediocre team. But it is nice to see people get things right.

by MikeDB on Nov 3, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be they are looking for a fooball man

After years of being managed and mismanaged by Al Davis, it would make sense for the Raiders to put a football person in charge of football operations. Since you’re probably right that Jackson is the only football person there with authority now, he sort of assumes partial GM-type responsibilities, so it might be a tough transition for his boss to come in. But it seems to me that it would be manageable.

by MikeDB on Nov 1, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

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I wouldn’t want McKenzie and Dorsey to leave because the Packers scouting department has been so good. I’m sure Clements is a good coach, but there is a lot of coaching talent still on staff even without him.

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by AdamA on Oct 31, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe thats why MM is keeping him

his presence taints the other coaches reputation so no one wants them

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by blackoutsox on Oct 31, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's what always happens with success

other teams want to get what the Packers are experiencing, so they poach guys who have been a part of it. It’s what always happens – I don’t want to lose anyone, but as long as all of the main guys stay – I hink they’ll be fine

by rip_city_swagger on Oct 31, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

To me...

THe most important to try to keep are McKenzie, Clements, Dorsey, Wolf, Petty and Whitt. Of them one of McKenzie or Dorsey is probably gone, the other stays as Thompsons replacement. Clements is almost surely gone and one of Perry and Whitt are gone.

Losing Clements would be a bad thing for QB’s moving forward. Hope like hell McCarthy has another ex QB in mind to hire. CLements leaving hurts the Packers. Can live w/ only one of the Personnel guys leaving, but both would be a really damaging and lead to promoting Wolf us the chain a little too quickly, IMO. As long as we can keep one of Perry or Whitt I’m OK. Either of them is the next logical Defensive Coordinator after Capers. Like Trgo, but agree he is best as a position coach.

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by Strohman on Oct 31, 2011 9:58 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes

Whitt seems like he could be an up and coming Defensive Coordinator, though he’s still pretty young and new at coaching; which is why I think Perry is a more likely successor at this point. And it is more likely that he would be offered a position as DC at another team this coming year.

From what I’ve read about Trgovac, it seems that he wants to keep it simple for his family for now. Stay in Green Bay so his kids can finish school. The coordinator position takes one away from the family for long hours. If these interviews are accurate, I’d guess that he’ll stay where he’s at. He’s happy and he’s being paid pretty well.

by MikeDB on Nov 1, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

great news with Trgovac…I hope that is right, he’s doing a nice job and hes in a nice place to raise kids.

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by TrevorR on Nov 1, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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i think Dorsey is a large part of why the Pack have been able to build so much depth thru the draft.

boom.

aaaaaaaaahh, I gotta go!!

by b3nihana on Nov 1, 2011 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

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