Looking Back At The Chargers Loss
by Brandon on Nov 1, 2011 7:02 AM CDT
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PrintSan Diego Chargers Lose to the Kansas City Chiefs, 23-20 - Bolts From The Blue. It was an embarrassing game for two Charger players in particular.
QB Philip Rivers. He really did look good for most of the night (369 yards passing) but he had two interceptions (he overthrew the first one, the second was tipped at the line) and had a devastating botched snap with under a minute to go in the game. They were well within field goal range at that time. John Gennaro wrote the Rivers "might be their worst player this season."
LT Marcus McNeill. He committed seven (SEVEN) penalties all by himself as he failed to block DE Tamba Hali. And Hali still had 2 sacks. Hali is a very good player, but that still might have been the worst game by an offensive lineman I've ever seen.
On offense, despite all the mistakes listed above, the Chargers present a lot of problems for the Packers defense. They gained a lot of yards on crossing routes to receivers and running backs, which is an area the pass defense has struggled with. They like to throw deep along the sidelines, so it's very good news that CB Sam Shields was back at practice for the first time since he suffered a concussion against the Rams.
On defense, the Chargers allowed a lot of long completions. The long touchdown pass to rookie WR Jon Baldwin was their biggest play allowed, but overall QB Matt Cassel averaged 8.2 yards per attempt against them, which boosted his overall ranking this season to 27th overall at 6.51. Aaron Rodgers is far and away the leader in the NFL with 9.93 yards per attempt (Eli Manning is a distant 2nd at 8.83). If Cassel was burning them deep, then what will Rodgers do?
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McNeill was atrocious in the 1st half
Settled in a little better in the 2nd half, although he did allow a sack and a strip to Hali then, too. Plenty of missed holding calls there – he was utterly overmatched the entire game. I suggested during the game thread that we switch Clay over to the right side a few times may create mismatches at that spot. We’ll see if Capers sees it that way on Sunday.
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I felt embarrassed just watching that game
I have to maintain my theory that Rivers has been permanently spooked. Too many hard hits and no trust in his o-line… just making bad plays you only see when a QB becomes shell shocked. Reminded me a lot of some of Romo’s and Cutler’s performances… not to say he can’t bounce back, but it might not be this season.
Other thing is that I don’t think Cassell should be shredding anyone’s secondary like he did during some of their scoring drives.
I don’t think there will be any point in next week’s game during which the Packers won’t lead.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Last night's game looked atrocious on the Charger's part
Halloween activities last night, so watching off replays, I think Green Bay hands them their lunch this coming Sunday afternoon. The offense, not so worried about. Rivers hasn’t really had a good season….. 10 picks this year when he threw 13 last year and 9 before that, so expect C-Wood and Tramon to be salivating thinking of what they can do to this Chargers offense. It’s really telling when ya see this on Bolts From The Blue:
Philip Rivers, formerly the Chargers best player, might be their worst player this season
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11 picks this season for Rivers, actually.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 1, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Packers on the cover of Sports Illustrated
Nothing to do with last night’s debacle but Dan Patrick revealed Rodgers and his receivers are on the cover of SI this week. So for those interested, go pick up a copy.
by Spinyourhead on Nov 1, 2011 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
No Tom Crabtree?
How unfair!
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picture-gate II
crabtree should cry like barnett, just to see what happens.
San Diego looked pretty bad for much of last night
But what worries me is that the Chiefs defense is better than ours. Sure, Aaron Rodgers will destroy the Chargers, but I’m not sure we can slow them down the way the Chiefs did.
i dont know
I still think back to the preseason game where the Chiefs couldn’t keep up with the Packers second team. They’ve come around a little bit it seems but it’s still too hard for me to ignore.
true. but i'm still worried about how our defense will stack up against the Chargers O
The Chief’s D made big play after big play. If the Packers are going to win, Rodgers will have to outgun Rivers (which should happen) and our defense will need to get a pick or two (which is tougher to happen)
They couldn’t keep up with our 3rd string man.
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The Chiefs and Packers defenses seem pretty similar
Outside of Tamba Hali, they have zero pass rush, so the Packers do a better job in that category. Otherwise there are a lot of similarities.
The pass defense stats for both the Chiefs and Packers are similar (59% completion and 12 TDs allowed, with 13 INTs). The Chiefs seem a bit more streaky on defense (0 TDs allowed with 6 INTs over their last two games). Their run defense is better when looking at yards (4.5 ypc Packers allowed, 4.1 ypc Chiefs), but the Packers have only allowed 3 rushing TDs compared to 7 for the Chiefs.
At their loss
Rivers had some very bad throws in that game as well, he wasn’t all that accurate (or at least as much as he normally is). They got most of their passing yards with someone going down the seam, as well as the underneath check downs to their backs. I say we take away the middle of the field and underneath, and force Rivers to complete passes on the outside in man coverage.
Chiefs did that fairly effectively
And Rivers still completed the passes. Assuming Shields is effective, I wouldn’t mind seeing some nickel in there on obvious passing downs.
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I didn't watch the game to see how bad McNeill did
But do you remember how aweful Allen Barbre was? That guy has to have played games for us that are equally as bad as McNeill’s.
You gotta eat lightning and crap thunder, Plush!
Barbre's play certainly was not full of awe.
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by Omaha Sun on Nov 1, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
So, what're ya sayin'?
That Barbre wasn’t awe-full?
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Will they have any RBs
My guess is that we will play mostly in nickel packages will Matthews and Tolbert both being hurt. Maybe they’ll play, but their running game looks to have problems, and without much threat to dominate.
I didn’t watch the whole game closely, but for much of the game I was impressed with the Chiefs secondary, then I noticed that Rivers threw for 350+ yards. Not sure how that happened. But it didn’t look like the WR were getting much separation from the KC DBs and Rivers was forcing passes, at least early when I was paying more attention.
For this week’s game the worry that I have is that we all know that San Diego and Rivers are better than they have played the past two weeks. It would seem that at some point they are going to get pissed off at the way they are playing and put it all together. I hope that it isn’t this week. Sort of like cornering a wounded bear.
If my memory serves me right, Tramon Williams hasn’t had particular problems with big receivers, (Al Harris used to have problems with big WRs at times.) so we could be okay. I don’t know about Shields.
Rivers hurt us with
mostly with Gates and checkdowns to the running backs. Vincent Jackson was pretty much shutdown all night by Flowers.
Flowers is pretty damn good!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 2, 2011 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he got beat pretty good early in the season
but he was suffering from a high ankle sprain and going against Calvin Johnson will hurt almost any CB. He only allowed I think 5 TD’s his first 3 years in the league.
McNeill is actually very very good when healthy.
His busted neck made it hard to put his shoulders into his blocking. Despite the penalties and the one sack allowed(which was by a hand on a foot) He did fine, and was matched up 1 on 1 almost all game. He’ll bounce back. unfortunately, the RT Jeromey Clary isn’t very good against the elite pass rushers, which is where KC did the most damage, and where Clay Mathews will have a blast
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Nov 1, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions
That game was a disaster
7 penalties and 1 sack alone is horrible. I’ve seen McNeill play much better in past seasons, and I didn’t know about his neck injury. I don’t know if he can get healthy in time for the Packers game, but he does have to focus on getting healthy and putting that game behind him.
Yep, I’d expect a lot of Clay Matthews on Jeromey Clary. Unfortunately Matthews still isn’t practicing during the week, so he’s dealing with his own injury. Erik Walden’s been pretty quiet this season, but he might have some success if McNeill is struggling with injuries right now.
Isn’t Hali an OLB? Not that it matters.
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A 6'3" 275 lb LB
He’s listed as a linebacker. But he was putting his hand down and rushing McNeill most of the night like a DE, apparently his coaches saw he had a good thing going against McNeill, and I didn’t double check his position. He sure looked like a 4-3 DE on Monday night.
the chiefs switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and Hali went from WDE to WOLB
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."
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by Superduperboltman on Nov 1, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
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