Jolly receives a 6 year prison term
by TrevorR on Nov 17, 2011 3:30 PM CST
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Johnny Jolly, 28, is no stranger to run ins with the law...the law finally caught up according to a story on Yahoo today. Despite pleas from Johnny and his mother, the court came down hard on Jolly with a 6 year prison sentance. The news shouldn't be a shocker as he has been in trouble numerous times now despite a seemingly promising professional career. He was a promising 2 year starter for the Packers but this in effect ends his hopes of ever playing in the pros again. Its a shame to see a young person give up such a bright future and opportunity to succeed and get out of a rough past. He'll be a warning sign to the young kids coming into the league to leave their past in the past...
Jolly was charged with possession of a compound containing codeine, a controlled substance, after a traffic stop in Houston in October. He also was charged with tampering with evidence for attempting to conceal the substance from the investigating officers. Jolly’s truck was pulled over after he was seen throwing a bag out the window. The bag wasn’t recovered, but Jolly was seen dumping a cup believed to contain codeine on the floor. Two bottles believed to contain codeine were recovered from the vehicle.
Jolly grew up in Houston and was a sixth-round draft pick of the Packers in 2006 after playing at Texas A&M. He was a starter for the Packers in 2008 and 2009. However, he sat out the 2010 season after being suspended by the NFL indefinitely the previous July.
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NFL Live just showed the interview again
I hadn’t seen it on OTL, but damn. That’s sad. I hope the rehab holds and he can do something productive with his life after the jail time.
bigger question arises...
why should anyone care what product or how much of any product an adult wants to ingest? His body, his right.
And if he had enough for 30 people, so what? If those 30 are all consenting adults, they should have the right to engage freely and associate freely and ingest freely what they want, whenever.
by PackFaninFL on Nov 17, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
His body, his right.
His career, his choice. When you play in the NFL, you can expect to be a millionaire. When you play in the NFL, you can expect to make sacrifices. When you play in the NFL, you can expect to be molded into a role model. That’s just the NFL. Outside of the NFL, because that’s the law. Obey it, live by it, and be responsible.
My wife is gorgeous, but when she wears her pink Rodgers Jersey, she makes you fall to your knees...
by Jabooty on Nov 17, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Great non-sequiter.
I was NOT arguing about the law “as is” but rather the *propriety of the law. Whether the law makes sense in a larger sense.
I’m sure there was a time when when Jim Crow was around and the “Jabooty” of that day would say “Obey it, live by it, and be responsible.”
Sometimes it’s useful to call out the absurdity of the law. ’Tis all.
Ron Paul 2012
by PackFaninFL on Nov 17, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with everything but your signature.
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by Wiedmann on Nov 17, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Sorry for making it
so political. I changed my sig and made it less political.
I’m guilty sometimes of talking football on news sites and then talking politics at sports sites. It’s a wiring issue.
ten-foured. I’m all about the Dynasty now.
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2012
2013
whatever
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
As I specified below, I think the sentence was rough, even though he was facing up to 20 years. I thought rehab was more suitable though. Anyways, when football players go to the NFL, they should expect to give up a few things they did in their college days. Do you want fame, glory, and wealth or do you want drugs? You and I could do it if we chose to. We are not in the spotlight for our careers, so we have those choices. I don’t think this is the right place to debate whether something should be legal or not though (coddeine), but we do know what is legal and what isn’t. Jolly made his choices. It’s a tough addiction problem. However, there’s nothing we can say that can justify him doing it.
By the way, I love your new sig! LOL! Nice spin…
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by Jabooty on Nov 17, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Addiction
He says it was an addiction, and both of his parents had drug addictions of their own. The six year sentence could easily become parole in just over 12 months, but this isn’t just about obeying the law. He’s got an illness.
He broke the law, and the state did give him one chance in a diversion system. But Aaron Rodgers might be right: Jolly would probably be better off trying to overcome his addiction surrounded by his NFL friends and support system instead from inside a jail.
by Brandon on Nov 17, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Since when is prison a drug free environment?
I really pity him. I hope he at least gets access to treatment which is what he really needs.
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Nov 17, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Prison is never the right environment
If anyone thinks it is a drug free environment, well they have a lot to learn.
The best thing for him would be in a controlled rehab program, where his life is scheduled. That way he can’t think about that stuff until he is truly over the addiction. Sadly, we are more focused about punishment and getting “druggies” of the streets, rather than rehabilitation and successful reintegration into society.
And if the NFL is really trying to rehab its image and shape it into a family league, they should have a program to help NFL and former NFL players deal with stuff like this.
by Shoes31 on Nov 17, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I won't argue the sentence was harsh
Personally, I think more rehab would’ve been more suitable considering it’s an addiction problem. It happened twice though, so I’m not sure. Does anyone remember if he had to go to rehab after he was busted the first time?
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why should anyone care what product or how much of any product an adult wants to ingest?
If he was driving around on public roads while ingesting it then everyone has a right to care. I agree with you for the most part about it being his body – he should ingest what he wants. But as soon as he gets in a car and is dumping out a cup of codeine drink as a cop pulls him over then he was endangering innocent lives and probably has been doing so for years. Theres plenty to care about there.
All that said, Im sorry to see the court come down on him hard. Not a Packer fan but I enjoyed watching Jolly play and he always seemed like a good guy off the field who just had an addiction. 6 years is harsh, I hope he can build a decent and healthy life for himself in the future.
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by poz on Nov 17, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
why should anyone care what product or how much of any product an adult wants to ingest?
You mean besides the fact that drug (both legal and illegal) addicts are invariably a major drain on their families, friends, health care system, and pretty much everyone and everything around them?
How about the fact that he chose an obsession to a fleeting high over what had every appearance of an excellent football career?
Other than that, I can’t think of a single thing.
by DaveInTucson on Nov 17, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Tell Favre that...
Not saying your completely wrong, but that isn’t always the case.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 17, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
How about we stop taking the moral high ground on everything? I fail to see how he is a drain to the health care system when he pays his taxes and has health insurance; he does not get any free service.
You make it seem so easy to stop being addicted to something. Jolly grew up around a drug problem, and his family had a drug problem. Lets not act like he started on an even playing field. Oh no, his field position was heavily slanted toward drug use. It isn’t as simple as you make it, as him choosing drugs over football.
by Shoes31 on Nov 17, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You make it seem so easy to stop being addicted to something.
I never said any such thing.
My point (which apparently wasn’t as clear as it could be) was that there’s plenty of downside to addiction, and letting it go by as some kind of “freedom of choice” thing isn’t doing anybody any favors.
by DaveInTucson on Nov 17, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This discussion is getting dangerously close to politics...
Beginning to sound like a libertarian there. (which I get is the point with your Ron Paul sig)
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
I find it odd
Jolly’s going to prison for 6 years, yet Michael Vick did something a lot worse in my book and only got two.
And I won’t even get into the gross buffoonery that is Lindsay Lohan…
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Nov 17, 2011 5:40 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
someone made a great comment in another story that Stallworth only got 30 days of jailtime
and Jolly gets 6 years.
NAOPOS
THAT WAS ME
OMFG
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by arodgb on Nov 17, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The more popular and famous you are
the more leniency you get from the law. It’s very unfortunate.
Go ahead, make my day.
by ilikeburritos on Nov 17, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is there any evidence rehab didn't work for Favre?
pretty tenuous comparison, if not
by DaveInTucson on Nov 17, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Repeat drug violations make for stiff sentences
Not to get overtly political or anything, but anti-drug laws make for easy political positioning. Most people approve of get-tough drug laws, so the lawmakers know they can score some points with their constituencies by passing tough laws, many of which include mandatory lengthy sentences, regardless of whether true addition is a factor (as it appears to be in this case), or whether anybody other than the offender was harmed by the drugs.
Admittedly, all of that may be a bit off point in this case. Since Jolly and his family were making pleas to the judge for a more lenient sentence, it would appear that mandatory sentencing was not required here, so I’m not sure why the judge felt the need to impose 6 years.
"If only a face could talk" -- John Madden
by wibrownguy on Nov 17, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sandusky might do less time...
Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose : it's how drunk you get...
eh…it wasn’t his first time. His first offense he got off easily, now he’s a repeat offender and its going to keep getting stiffer and stiffer for him.
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by TrevorR on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Addict need to be treated not imprisoned
Incarceration costs a lot of money, and it should be reserved for people who need to be put away for their crimes. Jolly is an addict, and he should be treated for his addiction. Incarceration will not cure his addiction, and it is an expensive way to treat a medical problem.
In some places like LA the jails are so overcrowded no one does any time. Lindsay Lohan has done maybe an hour of time for all of her criminal conduct, but addicts could benefit from treatment, and society can get a better bang for their dollar by putting criminals behind bars, and treating addicts. The war on drugs is a failure, and the sooner the society realizes this waste the better off we will be.
by hokecole on Nov 17, 2011 5:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
so much of it is about appearances
Politicians gotta look tough so they make these sort of laws. It doesn’t solve any problems, but it looks like someone is tough on crime. It’s about appearances.
The same with NFL policy. Jolly, and I’m certain some others, need the support group that they could have with their team and teammates. But they aren’t only suspended, they are banned from any contact, so that the NFL looks good. It’s about appearances.
by MikeDB on Nov 17, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Great post!
I wrote similar down farther. The NFL helped cause Jolly to fall into the prison sentence. If allowed to stay close to the team I think he would have overcome this. The ban from the team and no contact rule pushed him farther from the ONLY positive thing in his life that Jolly had to build on!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 17, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Koren Robinson is another example of this
I remember when GB brought him in Favre was really pushing for him to be allowed to have contact with the team as a support system.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Like I said...
If allowed to stay close to the team I think he would have overcome this
What about “I THINK” suggests otherwise?!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 19, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
See Poz's excellent post above.
I really do feel bad for him and I hope he can get treatment. But when you start endangering other people it’s entirely appropriate to punish them. I don’t know if Jolly deserves a 6 year sentence, but I think we can all agree that we hope he can get his life in order. I doubt most addicts really wish to remain that way.
All is vanity.
Surprising statement by someone whose username is an anagram for "coke-hole"
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
It sure does! I like anagrams!
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Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
by Wiedmann on Nov 17, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Good to see you trying to start an argument
Maybe that says something about you?
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Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
by Wiedmann on Nov 18, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Who started an argument?
i just found it a bit “odd” that you were making reference to male genitals etc… You go to Penn ST?
And whats w/ 2 posts a day apart? Can’t you form sentences when someone makes a joke? if you had a decent comeback it should have come w/ the 1st post… Guess you were flustered or something.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Yeah, I have no idea where you get male genitals out of that at all
When I said “coke-hole”, what I envisioned was a nostril. When you read “coke-hole”, what you envisioned was male genitals.
maybe that says something about you not me?
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
by Wiedmann on Nov 19, 2011 1:36 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure what hole Stroh was thinking would be used for doing coke…ew. I imagined nose too though.
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by TrevorR on Nov 19, 2011 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My apologies...
I did misread it…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 19, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't realize there was a time limit on replies; I'll post whenever I damn well please.
I certainly don’t need to be taking posting lessons from you. Unless I want to learn to how to increase my undesirability.
Also, you are a hypocrite (or is it liar in this case?), but of course, we all already knew that:
Really?
you expect someone to read the time it was posted? DO YOU?! I HIGHLY freakin doubt it!!!!!
by Strohman on Oct 17, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up actions
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Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
by Wiedmann on Nov 19, 2011 1:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Forced treatment will do nothing though. YOu can’t force a person to cure their addiction, they have to WANT it. If he wants it, I am sure there is a program to help him out. IN the meantime he broke a law and there is a penalty for it.
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NEED I REMIND APC
Jolly also had a bad attitude on the field and in the organization. His chemical dependency not withstanding, he acted like a complete jerk.
Now, my heart goes out to him and his family. I know substance dependency is a rough thing to overcome. And I believe strongly in personal redemption. I also think the sentence is WAY too harsh and it looks pretty clearly to me that he is being made an example of and that’s not fair or moral.
But I also don’t feel bad for him, with regard to losing his opportunity in the NFL. There are lots of good kids who come up and work hard and do everything right and still don’t make it. I wish him the best and I hope he turns it all around and gets out of prison and finds something new to keep going, but he had it coming. End of.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
From everything I ever read...
Jolly was a great teammate and lockerroom presence! I think your completely wrong on Jolly being a bad attitude on the field or in the organization!!! Jolly by all accounts was very well liked by teammates and in the lockerroom in general. He had some personal foul penalties on the field, but that is a FAR cry from being a bad attitude!
Don’t let a couple of on field personal foul penalties cause you to think that he had a bad attitude or wasn’t well liked, cuz it just isn’t true! You are completely off base from everything I’ve ever read or heard from teammates and the organization!!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 17, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haynesworth was well liked too but had some bad things slip out on the field. Look where that lead. Heck Rosie O’Donnell was well liked by her audience but a few things slipped out and then she went south. Those little slip ups can often be warning signs…
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Jolly
Personally I feel bad for Jolly, this is a really depressing story! I always thought highly of Jolly as a player… Rodgers was right in that, the NFL has to take their share of blame in this mess! Thats not to say that Jolly didn’t do more than his share to throw away a promising career, but by all accounts when Jolly was in GB and w/ the team, he was always a clean living guy. We don’t know what he did behind closed doors, so he may have been using even in GB, but from everything I read from the Packers they always thought he was clean when he was in GB and around football. One of Jolly’s mistakes was always going back to Houston in the offseason, but that aside, if the NFL would have allowed him to stay closer to the team and in a more sheltered and productive environment close to and in contact w/ the team and teammates, I think he would have been able to overcome this, served out his suspension and returned to the game and probably the Packers! They wouldn’t allow him to be in contact w/ the team when that was the one thing that probably would have been able to get him sober and living clean.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 17, 2011 6:53 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
A quick thought
… from everything I read from the Packers they always thought he was clean when he was in GB and around football.
Didn’t Jolly admit to testing positive in four or five NFL drug tests in his ESPN interview? Pretty sure the Packers knew about those…
I’m not convinced of the NFL’s “share of the blame” here. Jolly was up on felony charges, his trial kept getting delayed, and the NFL took appropriate action by suspending him indefinitely – which I read as “until the trial is resolved”.
Don’t know exactly when he first tested positive, but my guess is when he came back to training camp after being home in Houston. Once the suspension came down the NFL said he can’t be around the team any longer. The team was the one and seemingly ONLY good thing in Jolly’s life. Taking that away from him removed his motivation and support to stay clean. Just meant he stayed in Houston surrounded by nothing but bad influences in his life. Football the team and organization were the one thing that might have helped him get and stay clean. But he was banned from the one thing that was good in his life! How is that ever a good thing? If he would have been allowed to stay close to the team and his teammates after he first got suspended, there a good chance he could stay clean. Instead he got banished to Houston where all his trouble was!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 17, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Taking that away from him removed his motivation and support to stay clean.
Rehab would argue otherwise. You take them out of their element and it forces them to choose drugs or the things they want. He chose drugs. He could have made a LOT of other choices, including living ANYWHERE but the place where he got in all his trouble. Thousands of cities. Its on him. He makes the choices.
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Except
It took Jolly out of the only positive environment and put him back into the most negative! That isn’t helping, its hurting… Kinda akin to take a child from a good parent and forcing them to stay w/ an abusive one.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Nov 18, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it didn’t put him in the negative, HE put himself in the negative. They didn’t say you are banned from the team and you must now go to Houston and spend time with your ahole friends who want to drag you down to where they are. Where did they force him to be anywhere?
If he was serious about making a change, he would have made smarter decisions…
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Its still taking away from the only positive environment in his life...
Sure he could have gone anywhere, but when he can’t be w/ his teammates where did you think he was going to go? Where he knows noone, which also has no support system, and isn’t condusive to getting clean… All I’m saying is why remove him from the one place he had something positve to build from! Surely you can see the logic is letting him be someplace he had a positive environment and support system can’t you?
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by Strohman on Nov 19, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand you. Its logical that he would go back there.
My only concern is that if he was of the mindset that he was ready to leave that stuff behind he wouldn’t have gone back to the place where he makes all those mistakes. Just like how an alcoholic needs to stay away from bars. Being around his teammates might have been good for him…my only concern though is how it affects the other players. YOu don’t want someone on their own agenda around because it could mess with the vibe of the team. The NFL will always put the team before the player.
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Yup, I agree
Jolly gets the blame 100%. The NFL is not a babysitter, he needs to get his own life in line in his own time. He had plenty of money to do so with.
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I couldn't agree more
It’s hard to balance all the factors involved in these situations: personal responsibility, support systems, peer pressure, social and family background, addiction, etc. It seems that NFL has only addressed the aspect of personal responsibility.
It should be stressed that you (and myself and others) are not saying that Jolly should not have been suspended by the NFL. His suspension was justified. The problem is that the NFL bans players from having any contact with players on this type of suspension. As Stroh says, Jolly’s Packer teammates were probably the best influence in his life. And the NFL took that away from him so that they would appear to be tough on drugs.
by MikeDB on Nov 18, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure his teammates could have been a good influence on him, OR he could have been a bad influence on the other players. there is a reason they ban the trouble makers and its to keep the rest of the guys in a safe environment where they won’t have some guy distracting them from their goals.
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While I agree with a lot of what you say about football, I don’t like where you come from on this issue. I certainly don’t disagree that Jolly holds primary responsibility for his own actions, just like anyone else. But social and family environment and addiction can’t always be simply overcome by personal effort. The whole thing is just more complex than a jail sentence or banning someone from seeing their friends can address.
I feel bad for Jolly, but if he is blaming anyone other than himself, than he’s got a long way to go to get past it. He has to take personal responsibility for his actions. That is a first, and a big, step. But I’m not Jolly, and I can acknowledge that the factors for this sort of behavior are complex.
And the NFL’s policy inadequately addresses the complexity of the problem. I’m also very convinced that appearance (and I know that I’m repeating myself) is the principle motivation of the NFL policy. The NFL, understandably, wants to present a clean image. That is all fine and good, but it needs to move beyond that to actually look out for the good of the players. It is similar to the player safety issues. They talk about head injuries, but why haven’t they mandated the use of helmets that better protect against concussions?
by MikeDB on Nov 18, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The NFL could certainly do more to help…though are the obligated to? They are an employer. Socially it would be good for them to do it but all that stuff costs money which has to come from somewhere…and that means ticket prices. If Jolly worked for my company he would have been fired and wouldn’t have been offered support afterward.
Being in jail will give him time to decide where he wants to go with his life. It helps him hit his rock bottom…there are plenty of people that turn things around after going through that…though its no guarantee. I would say based on the interview I saw that its finally hitting home but would it have if it weren’t for this court case?
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The NFL would have to sit around with a begging bowl if Jolly had been allowed to stay in Green Bay? Football (and all sports) are different from most businesses. For a player with Jolly’s talent, he may have been considered enough of an asset by the Packers to pay 3-6 months of a rehab program, because of the potential rewards that he could bring later.
If one would like to add to the blame, one could add college sports, and maybe Texas A&M, where athletes often get put on pedestals rather than being given the chance to mature.
Anyway, I still think that you are ignoring the real complexities of the whole situation.
by MikeDB on Nov 18, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure its an option and maybe something that they look at doing but honestly what more motivation does he need to clean himself up? He has to want to stay clean. Sure now that he lost everything he wants to change but how he’s in the hands of the law.
What is the NFL going to do? Make a mandated program for all players that fail drug tests? Do you just offer it as an option? What makes you think Jolly would have done it…he’d take it now but I don’t think he would have back then.
I am very aware of the complexities. I could argue the same for you. Just saying the NFL should do something is ignoring a whole slew of other factors and it also shifts the blame implying the league has some kind of a role that SHOULD have and honestly they really don’t. They could have one if they wanted to but I don’t think they HAVE to. If fame, notoriety, money, chance to play a game for a career, etc. don’t motivate them to leave their troubled past I don’t know what will.
Next thing is they will mandate some program and then we’ll hear about them taking away people’s rights to make decisions and stuff.
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I still don’t get the banning of a player, like Jolly, from having any contact with the team while suspended. I remember when this happened with Koren Robinson (Did I get the name right?), and it didn’t seem right at the time. With Jolly it has had more tragic consequences.
Mandated programs? What would Jolly have done? Jolly being allowed to stay in Green Bay has nothing to do with mandated programs. And none of us can know what Jolly would have done! When I ‘blame’ the league, it is not because they don’t have a program, but for two reasons (1) they ban a player from what might be his best system for getting help, (2) their motivation is to keep up appearances and not what is best for the person involved. Why couldn’t the Packers have had the option of paying for rehab?
by MikeDB on Nov 18, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I get that there is a chance that him being there would help him, but what about the cases where the guy does something and its during the season or in the off season but local. They can’t make exceptions and have rules that work.
I also don’t buy that an addict is magically going to avoid things because he gets to hang around his team during the season…what happens next off season?
I also don’t like the potential risks that arise from this guy being around other teammates. He’s a distraction.
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So...
I also don’t buy that an addict is magically going to avoid things because he gets to hang around his team during the season…
You don’t believe in having a positive support system around a recovering addict?
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by Strohman on Nov 19, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m thinking of situations like Trgovac, who has said that he wishes he could have been in contact with Jolly, but was prevented from doing so. Somethings seems terribly wrong about that scenario.
And I also think that MM and TT are intelligent to not allow someone like Jolly to become a distraction if he’d been allowed to stay in Green Bay. The reality is we don’t know if it would have helped had he been able to remain in contact with the Packers. But we do know that being banned from having contact didn’t help.
by MikeDB on Nov 19, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
"Being in jail will give him time to decide where he wants to go with his life. It helps him hit his rock bottom"
I would argue the reason he was doing syrup was because he had already hit rock bottom. What’s sitting in a jail for 6 years going to do to a person like him besides ruin the rest of his life?
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by Chief Oshkosh on Nov 18, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly he hadn’t cause he continued to go lower. There’s a lot of people that do the syrup that haven’t hit the bottom. I would say he’s there now though…weeping on TV in a national interview only happens when you’ve really hit the bottom.
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Jolly
should of been in a off season program period.Yes he has a problem , he should have the support of his team, the NFL, friends , family, and his fans.
by cheddarhead on Nov 17, 2011 8:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, even I think 6 years is pretty damn harsh
How much codeine exactly did he have on him at the time he was busted the last time? 200 grams? Plus obstructing evidence.. I can maybe see 3-4, 2 with good behavior and in a rehab clinic to clean himself out but 6 years? Wow.
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by P-Townfan on Nov 17, 2011 10:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
"Wow, even I think 6 years is pretty damn harsh"
Maybe the Judge is a Cowboys stockholder!
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by Crotext on Nov 18, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet...
Promoted to the front page again. My last two write ups have been promoted. I wish I had the time to do more of them…darn kids take up too much of my time! ;-)
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Location, location, location!
Maybe it should be “jurisdiction, jurisdiction, jurisdiction!”
Ted Glover wrote…
“Jolly’s going to prison for 6 years, yet Michael Vick did something a lot worse in my book and only got two.”
Jolly was tried, convicted and sentenced in Texas, Vick in Virginia. Drug laws and the courts are much tougher in Texas.
Jolly had a great deal of potential and would be very valuable in the D-line rotation this season. He did this to himself. He pays the price.
I don't agree
Jolly was tried, convicted, and sentenced 4 times for the same type of crime. While Vick’s was much worse, he wasn’t given a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th chance to change. Jolly got 6 years because the court finally realized that Jolly wasn’t going to learn his lesson and would continue with the same criminal behavior.
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This guy is a serial offender. Vick screwed up and he paid the time, he didn’t go back and start it back up. Heck it ALMOST cost him his career, I didn’t see many teams even willing to entertain bringing him in for a workout.
Jolly was given many chances and it took a 6 year prison term for it to hit home and for him to hit his rock bottom. I hope he can turn things around and get his life in line. I would have loved to have had him around on the DLine, he let down his teammates and probably a lot of other people by making those decisions that he made.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Fair observation...
While I was a company commander in the Army National Guard, in Texas, I lost two good soldiers to drugs…one on a technicality and another because she was truly an addict.
The first one tested positive twice and would have been arrested by civilian authorities except for the fact he was in a civilian position which required random drug testing as a condition of employment. He never tested positive there and retained his employment. The Texas National Guard just didn’t want to deal with him any more. He was improving as a soldier and I wanted to keep him.
The second one admitted to wanting the drug more than anything, including her daughter. She was discharged and, eventually arrested for drug possession and distribution. She lost her daughter, career and freedom through the Texas courts. The difference between her and Jolly is he had some money…she didn’t. When I met her, she seemed to be a good soldier. Drugs destroyed her.
by Slim11 on Nov 20, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
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