What Is The Problem In The Packers Secondary?
by Brandon on Nov 7, 2011 1:01 PM CST
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PrintI did end up nominating Green Bay Packers S Charlie Peprah for the player of the game after his second INT, but I did so reluctantly. Even CB Charles Woodson wants to see them improve their pass rush and he called for them to find a way to turn LB Clay Matthews loose. But my first thought was in the secondary, and I discussed it with Zach Kruse on Twitter earlier today.
You can point out some times when the cornerbacks have gotten beaten, but the problem isn't that they give up a completion in front of them now and again. That happens to all cornerbacks. But sometimes receivers are left so wide open, it looks like there's some miscommunication going on. And when a coverage is blown, the first players I look to are the safeties.
S Nick Collins. There hasn't been a lot said about his absence because the secondary was torched in the two games (Saints and Panthers) when he did play. But he was the guy who seemed to cover up a lot of mistakes in the past. I think they really miss him out there.
S Morgan Burnett. When Collins did play, he was playing aside Burnett, who still doesn't have a lot of experience. Collins wasn't all that great a player himself during his first three seasons, and Burnett seems to still have a lot to learn. Are they trusting him to call the defense? What are his responsibilities in the secondary? It's not something the Packers are eager to explain in the press.
Peprah. One play really stands out. From NFL.com's play-by-play in the fourth quarter:
(7:36) (Shotgun) 17-P.Rivers pass short right to 83-V.Jackson for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
This might not have seemed like the worst of it (the Chargers cut the Packer lead to 14), but when Philip Rivers rolled to his right, he had two receivers in front of him with only Williams was in coverage. He had to chose between the short receiver, and Vincent Jackson in the back of the end zone. Williams went to the short receiver, he was expecting a safety to provide deep help with Jackson, but Peprah was well behind the play.
Those are the type of plays the Packers have to figure out. Was it Peprah's responsibility? If not, then who? Someone must be responsible for covering their best receiver? The pass rush could be better, but it won't matter if they keep leaving their opponent's best receivers uncovered.
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No Rush
I agree there were some blown coverages, but asking them to cover for 5 – 7 seconds every play is too much. No one can cover that long consistently.
by GregR on Nov 7, 2011 2:22 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Two problems
Biggest problem is lack of a legitmate pass rush by the front three. Lack of discipline (penalties, blown assignments) in the secondary is on Capers. Get one good pass rushing lineman added (ONeil isn’t playing, he’s another Harrell). Instill some discipline and assignment review (Woodson, are you listening?). There is far too much emphasis on individual athleticism and not enough on scheme.
I'm not sure anyone expected an ONeil to play this year....
unless they find one on the street.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
ONeil isn’t playing
Crap, did Shredder kidnap her?
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Nov 7, 2011 3:30 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
lolololol
Now I want to dig out my old school TMNT action figures….
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Nov 7, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Man, I had to think about that for a minute, there.
Memory isn’t what it used to be.
(Of course, it never was, lol.)
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
The Usual Suspects
Really the problems with the pass defense that have plagued us all year this year and all year in 2009.
It bois down to equal parts of inconsistent pressure, injuries, and a lack of depth at safety. Each one of these three factors add together to from a flaw in our defense. Really this is the type of stuff that every defense faces a few times throughout the season and become part of the up and down of the NFL season.
We need to get Neal on the field and see what he can do. He was drafted to push the pocket and take pressure off of Raji. I don’t see any reason why he can’t do that as long as he can get right, but his injuries are starting to get troubling. Although remember that Jenkins had some of this same tune to him for a stretch in his career in GB as well.
Peprah needs to step up his game. He did okay this past week, but he and Burnett have each blown coverages the last couple weeks that have led to big touchdowns. That’s got to stop.
Finally the secondary has to get healthy. Get the cast off Burnett and get Williams shoulder stronger.
Get all these things together and the defense should be able to stuff up most QB’s in the league. Really the QB’s we should be most concerned with right now are Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Matt Stafford, and Drew Brees. The rest our defense can handle very well.
by PackApologist on Nov 7, 2011 3:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If Eli Manning & Alex Smith are who we need to fear...
…I think we’ll be okay.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
by Wiedmann on Nov 7, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
seriously
the 49ers have faced exactly zero top rated passers. They have a very good defense, but has not been tested. And they won’t for the rest of the season.
Point being, not sure how they will react to a Packers or Saints offense. How deep is the secondary? Can their 4th CB handle Jordy or JJ all day long?
If it becomes a shoot out, does Alex Smith really strike fear into CWood? I doubt it.
Eli is a moron.
Best way to discount the 49ers defensive advantage, without even referring to the lack of top passers they've faced
The 49ers pass defense gives up about 30 fewer passing yards per game than the Packers pass defense
The 49ers pass offense throws for about 150 fewer passing yards per game than the Packers pass offense.
Which team is better suited to take advantage of the sub-par pass defenses in a game between the two?
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
Edit - It was 30 when I looked at the stats last night
Apparently, this week’s games weren’t included at the time. It is now 45 fewer yards per game, though that doesn’t change my point.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
plus
just like when we played against Steelers in Superbowl, it doesn’t matter that the Steelers have the best run defense, we don’t run.
I predicted Starks would get 10 carries/attempts, would be the same against 49ers.
Patrick Willis can’t tackle a WR that is 20 yards past him.
[face palm]
Eli is a moron has got to be the weakest take I’ve seen in a long time. Let’s get something straight about Eli Manning….he just outplayed Tom Brady and beat the Patriots in NE. That’s something that hasn’t happen in a long time and say what you want about their defense, much better QB’s have still fallen to that team. In fact if you look at his stats through out the year there are really only a couple QB’s playing better than him. If that defense can get after the QB like they have been the last couple weeks and he keeps doing what he’s doing they have the ability to beat the Packers anywhere. Would I take the Pack 9 times out of 10? Yup, but you know what? I would say the same thing about the Packers hosting the Giants back in 2007 too. Heck I would of said that about the Packers with the Cards in 2009.
As for the 49ers…..you can scoff all you want about their defense and try to say they haven’t faced anyone yet. Here’s the thing though, there is a receipt on how to beat the Packers. I say it every week to teams in ask a fan sections and it’s a pretty simple formula. It’s stout defense, especially in the front seven, and a ball control offense. Mix in a QB who is not making many mistakes and that team can beat the Packers if they play a perfect game. Think ATL last year. Sure we destroyed them in the playoffs, but the two regular season games were close and it was only mistakes on Ryan’s part allowed the Packers to run all over the Falcons in the blowout. San Fran has that type of team and Smith is playing in the system and not making many mistakes. This is a team that would be able to take their game on the road and be able to frustrate, and possibly beat the Packers. Especially if our defense can’t get straightened out.
by PackApologist on Nov 7, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hammer, meet the head of the nail....
Nice post. Agree completely.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
re: 49ers, nobody “scoffed” at their defense. I said, “the 49ers have faced exactly zero top rated passers. They have a very good defense, but has not been tested. And they won’t for the rest of the season.” I suppose my statement of not facing top rated passers can be viewed as opinion, but I lean towards it being more factual (unless you consider T-Jack in Seattle top rate). My second sentence started with me stating they are a very good defense. Is that the “scoff”?
re: Eli, what good defense has he faced this year? The best pass defense, according to QB rating, he has faced is Buffalo and he had a whopping 0 TDs.
And he didn’t outplay Brady, he “outplayed” one of the worst pass defenses in the league while Brady played against one of the best and almost won.
And I still don’t think Alex Smith scares CWood.
Of course, the Giants have a great formula for success if their front 4 can dominate offenses, that is how they won the superbowl. It is also what makes Detroit a tough opponent.
You know what? I'm sick of the who have you played argument
For a while it annoyed me when idiot fans from other teams would come in and talk about the cupcake schedule of the Packers. That logic never impressed me at all.
Now this logic is being applied to the 9ers and the Giants (especially Manning) and I’m still not impressed. Manning’s stats are consistently in the top ten across the board for the NFL this year is in the top five of the league for passer rating. He did out duel Brady, leading his team to victory in a hostile environment. By the by, when was the last time the Patriots lost at home? Their defense is bad, no argument, but winning at Gillette is impressive.
By the by, I don’t think any QB scares C-Wood, that doesn’t mean that QB can’t get hot and beat the Packers that day.
by PackApologist on Nov 7, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
By the by
I am tired of the if a team plays perfect they can beat the packers. No kidding.
By the by, you keep arguing that a team can beat the packers, never said they couldn’t, so not sure who you are arguing with or if you are just are having a conversation with someone else.
By the by, thanks for the hidden idiot fan insult.
By the by, I think cwood would prefer to play against Eli than brees or brady.
by Acme on Nov 7, 2011 10:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
idiot fans from other teams
Are you a fan of another team?
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite part of this back and forth?
Getting upset over the idiot fan comment as a hidden insult when my first sentence out of the gate responding was “weakest take ever.”
Somehow getting your undies in a twist over a “hidden insult” when I started with a blatant one is odd to me. But hey, sometimes I’m slow on these sorts of things.
by PackApologist on Nov 8, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FTFY ... really.
there is a recipe on how to beat the Packers.
:)
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
don't discount Eli
The only QB’s that are playing better than right now are A-Rod and Brady….maybe Big Ben as well. He’s going to be getting his top target in Nicks back and the defense is playing lights out.
the only reason I put Smith in theer is because how well San Fran is doing. Eventually we are going to have to face them and have Rodgers out duel Smith where their defense is much better than ours.
by PackApologist on Nov 7, 2011 4:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My concern is
That some quarterback can out duel Aaron Rodgers for one game. Back in 2009, Kurt Warner did not have as good a season as Rodgers, but he was unstoppable for one game against them. It’s not likely to happen, but guys like Vick, Manning, Stafford and Brees could each have a monster game against a disorganized Packers secondary. I’m not saying it’s likely, but it’s certainly possible.
by Brandon on Nov 7, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Amen
Especially in the playoffs. Anything is possible in the playoffs.
by PackApologist on Nov 7, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Well, sure.
\Cliche coming.
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
…
That’s why they play the games.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Eli is a better QB than Stafford...
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
I disagree with this
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Based on what?
What is stafford doing when he isn’t hitting up CJ or Pettigrew on jump balls? Until this year I would have laughed at any mention of eli manning amongst the best in the game, but he’s taken his game up a notch this year. Stafford is merely an average qb with above average tools.
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Nov 7, 2011 11:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess I haven't seen all the games by both
but when I’ve seen Stafford (vs. Chi, vs. SF, vs. Den), he’s looked better than when I’ve seen Eli (vs. Mia) this year.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
let's refer back to your tom brady argument
Eli has no weapons whatsoever to throw the ball to. not one of his current receivers or tight ends would make the game roster for the Packers, and he’s leading a 6-2 team and playing the best ball of his career.
Stafford has had a good statistical first half almost entirely because of one ridiculously dominant receiver who carries the offense.
And another thing, Eli has proven that he can stay healthy. He’s never missed a start in his career. Meanwhile, Stafford is as fragile as they come.
also, Eli has a ring, and a track record of winning. Stafford has proven nothing.
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
Eli has no weapons whatsoever to throw to?
What about Hakeem Nicks? Mario Manningham? Victor Cruz? Are you kidding me? Eli also has two good RBs in Bradshaw/Jacobs to keep men in the box. Stafford has one weapon to throw to, Calvin Johnson, and since Best has been injured, absolutely no threat of a running game, so defenses are keying on the pass. Stafford has thrown for 1375 yards to players not named Calvin Johnson this year.
I’ll give you Stafford’s injury history, but he is breaking that stereotype so far this year.
Ring? track record of winning? You said “Eli is a better QB than Stafford” not was. Brady has more rings than Rodgers, but that doesn’t mean that Brady is a better QB than Rodgers.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Hakeem Nicks and Manningham are both out, neither played in the NE game
and Bradshaw has been out for a while now too
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
Yes, and Manning threw for only 250 yards & 51% completion...
…against by far the worst pass defense in the league. The only QB he outperformed was Mark Sanchez.
Henne: 416
Rivers 378
Fitzpatrick: 369
Campbell: 344
Sanchez: 166
Romo: 317
Roethlisberger: 365
Maybe he needs the weapons, too?
I'm sure the 5 turnovers had nothing to do with why the Giants won; it's all Manning.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
two long touchdown drives in the final five minutes on the road is impressive to me
and overall he’s been having his best statistical season despite all those injuries, not just the NE game
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
Victor Cruz is a practice squad player that only got his chance because of injuries
obviously his talent wasn’t seen as anything special otherwise he would have been a starter somewhere before the injuries
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
Brandon Jacobs is having a terrible year
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
They've beaten Denver without Best, that's it
Denver’s defense is pathetic.
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
how much more open is everyone else because the defense is so preoccupied with the most dominant receiver in the game?
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
Me, too.
Alex Smith can not keep up with Aaron Rodgers!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Best case scenario
Mike Neal comes back this season and is Cullen Jenkins reborn, and our pass rush takes off and we start murdering teams in the playoffs.
Otherwise it’s all on Aaron Rodgers. I don’t see our pass rush suddenly appearing without different personnel.
Yup... best case scenario
but we all know Mike Neal has to take the field before we can even find out aaaaaand….
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Where the hell is Kevin Greene?
Isn’t he supposed to take Nick Collin’s spot in the secondary?
Jay Cutler, first NFL quarterback to beat a playoff team with a losing record.
by arodgb on Nov 7, 2011 3:55 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Rec for Kevin Greene meme
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
I would've Greene'd it,
but, someone else already did.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Run up the score then!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Nov 8, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I did that, all right.
I just couldn’t Greene it, because mine wasn’t the second Rec.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Our D
has scared the crap outta me all yr. No consistant pass rush, no consistant secondary play and can’t stop the run. Other than THAT they’ve been pretty good. Did we not know that AGates was playing ball yesterday? They coulda threw to him every down.
God Bless Our Troops............Especially Our Snipers!
It's mid-season that means
it’s time to see what if anything Vic So’oto
brings to the pass rush
So shines a good deed in a weary world.
by 1rarebird on Nov 7, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, people will probably poke fun at you for saying so but I agree. It’s clear Walden isn’t getting it done, and Zombo isn’t a whole lot better. I thought he showed a little ability to rush the passer. But maybe he’s been horrible in coverage, which would be a big problem since usually he or Matthews would have to drop.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Nov 7, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
That sack was basically a coverage sack though.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Nov 7, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if I'd call it a coverage sack
It was more of a hustle sack. Either way, it’s a stretch to assume that kind of sack is something we can get every game out of Walden.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Yeah, that’s probably a better description of it.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Nov 7, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
it’s a stretch to assume that kind of sack is something we can get every game out of Walden.
Sadly getting more true every week…..
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think he is being saved as a post season surprise, kinda like Starks last year.
by LombardiBackToGB on Nov 7, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I thought we were doing this with April O'n. . , I mean, Mike Neal
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Nov 7, 2011 7:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
somehow I feel like she would be more durable...
when life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic...
I'm going to rec this....
all HoF joking aside, why not give him a few shots on 3rd and long to see?
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
The defense just gets no pressure. It looked like he tried to stunt Bishop and Hawk, and that did nothing. Then, it seemed like he went to bringing Woodson and a Cb but that always seemed to take way too long. And usually, Rivers would just dump it off to Tolbert who would make Hawk look like he was running in quicksand.
The Bishop vs. Gates matchup didn’t go so great either. He played him good on that stick route that Peprah ended up picking off but then it seemed like the Chargers realized all they had to do was have Gates just run an out or corner route seeing as Bishop couldn’t really keep up.
Fire Slocum
Gates
KC bracketed Gates and took him completely out of that game. They rotated a safety over the top of Jackson and made Rivers go to Jenkins as a first choice.
They were getting a pass rush, Hali just absolutely destroyed their LT. We weren't, so that wasn't possible.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Hali used Marcus McNeill like a turnstile.
McNeill committed SEVEN penalties and gave up 2 sacks anyway.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 8, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
On a side note, it’s ashame that the receivers get so many calls in today’s game. I realize it benefits our guys a great deal so I probably shouldn’t complain but a couple of those calls on Woodson seemed kinda ticky tacky. On the one, Gates was trying to run a stick route, and as he was trying to break out he placed his right hand on Woodson’s shoulder and tried to push off. Woodson then got physical with him back, and grabbed him a bit. I don’t understand how you can call that on one guy when both are going at it.
And the other was on that crossing route where Gates stopped his route and Rivers threw the ball like he was going to keep going. First off, I don’t see how that was at all a catchable ball. Secondly, Woodson didn’t see him stop and got tangled up with him as a result. It seemed pretty incidental to me.
I seem to always see fans complaining about Woodson and how he gets away with everything but it’d be interesting to see how many penalties he’s had called against him for the past few seasons. I’d bet he’s one of the leaders.
Fire Slocum
I think so too, and on Mike North show last night Mike Pereira (sp?) basically said the same thing...
he hates the way the officials call the games so tightly and said “just let them play”. Basically he’s upset that all the “hand-play” gets called as interference even though both parties are guilty. Unless there is obvious forced alteration of route or some such obvious interference, it shouldn’t be called.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Nov 7, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Pass Rush Is Anemic
The D is not getting a pass rush and the secondary is getting torched. There has to be more than one person rushing the passer in the pass happy NFL. Mike Neal may never play ala Justin Harrell. If the packers don’t get another pass rusher then the season may come to sudden halt once the playoffs begin. The Pack ,in my opinion, are one player away from having a decent defense. That player is a pass rusher to complement CM.
Stupid Is As Stupid Does!
Blown coverages
On more than one replay, you can see the cornerback specifically Williams signalling to Peprah to take the deep receiver, specifically on Jackson’s score. Peprah bit on the play action and Jackson ran free. Plays that Peprah was prepositioned deep resulted in the two turnovers but he bites too much on fakes comes up and leaves the middle open. Morgan was also MIA deep. Collins’ absence is indeed being felt. Shields got burned once and Williams got caught between receivers when Peprah stepped up and let receivers behind him. Capers needs to consider putting Woodson back at Safety as his pass rush has been completely ineffectual. Give So’oto a shot as Zombo provided nil as well. At least Walden provided some pressure. Giving Raji a blow on early downs could raise his effectiveness pushing the pocket. Howard Green can suck up blockers just as well on early downs.
i dont get how safetys can bite on play action
your main responsibility is the deep ball..its not that hard
by tmoneyttime1 on Nov 8, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I think they were getting a bit cocky after the early pick 6s.
People jumping routes much more than average in this game.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Not enough sammiches!
It looks more like a lack of communication than poor play, playcalling, or schemes. I know they’re all professional athletes, and I’m certainly not questioning ability or desire, but it doesn’t seem like the players have gotten their asses handed to them in a meaningful way yet. I don’t really want that to happen, but they need motivation to improve somehow, and coasting on the offense’s wild success doesn’t seem to be helping.
Just put down the sammich,
and back away, slowly.
And keep your hands where we can see ’em.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Bring back the Gilbertburger!
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Defense
The defense scares me week after week.Sure,they come up with big plays at the end,but one of these times some QB is not going to make a crucial mistake with the game on the line,and the Packers are going to get beat at the end unless the pass rush improves.But then again there’s been more holding than the junior prom that are not being called on the opposing offense-the Packer defense are getting mugged on every other play and it’s only been called about 5% of the time. But the main thing is that if some bunch of bums(like the Lions)can slow down A-Rodge and Co. like the Rams did in the second half of their game with the Pack,and play out of their butts on the offense,the Packers are going to get beat. It stinks to think about it,but that’s the facts.
Sorry for the negativity,but one of these weeks some inferior team (Viqueens,Bucs, Lions,and Raiders) are going to play out of their butts and beat the Packers,and that would hurt more than losing to the Bears(perish the thought).
Sometimes you kick...sometimes you get kicked-INXS
I must disagree with
that would hurt more than losing to the Bears
And, FWIW, it wouldn’t hurt more than losing to the Cowboys in the 1995 NFCCG, it wouldn’t hurt more than losing to the Broncos in XXXII and it wouldn’t hurt more than losing to the Falcons, Vikings and Giants in the playoffs in Lambeau.
I want, and like to talk about, an undefeated season as much as the next guy, but, if we lose one and it doesn’t happen, then what really matters — the main prize — will still be in front of us.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
...or the Cardinals in '09.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Or the Eagles in the down and distance that shall not be named game.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I blame that game for the Packers future defensive struggles
The Packers fired a pretty solid DC in large part due to that game and struggled for a few years defensively after it…
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
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Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
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