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Considering Charles Woodson

Packers fans will remember Charles Woodson for a lot of things, not the least of which was his inspiring half-time speech to his teammates after having left the game with 2 minutes left in the first half, injured defending a pass and selling out as usual. As people here have mentioned, he's still that lone Heisman winner from the defensive side of the ball, having beaten out Peyton Manning.

A lot of people have been writing about the pressures that come with the possibility of playing a perfect season, and it seems to me that they're right to recall Indianapolis' decision to rest their starters just a couple years ago, and to recall the Pats in 2007, going undefeated all the way to the Super Bowl before losing to the Giants. Perhaps their experiences have made things easier for the Packers, and Mercury Morris and Don Shula have weighed in on the possibility, saying that in their view the Pack won't need an asterisk next to the mark if they succeed, in contrast with the Pats' Videogate controversy.

As a team, it's my belief that the Packers benefit from playing in a small and remote city, because it's harder for the national sports media to make a complete nuisance of themselves. Green Bay wouldn't have been the right place for Broadway Joe Namath, but there are a lot of players who might benefit from being able to go about their business without all the distractions that can come with playing in a big media market, and Charles Woodson seems to be one of those players.

As an Oakland Raider, Woodson was named Defensive Rookie of the Year, and was voted to the Pro Bowl four times. In his time with the Green Bay Packers, by contrast, he's gone to the Pro Bowl three times (I think), despite having only made 17 of his career 54 picks with the Raiders. His greatest number of interceptions with them was five, in his rookie season. Since he's been in Green Bay, he's had years of nine, eight and seven picks, including seven more so far this year. Nine of his eleven career touchdowns on picks and fumble recoveries have been scored as a Packer. Statistically, he's been better in his six seasons as a Packer than he was in his eight years as a Raider in almost every category, but he's been voted to fewer Pro Bowls.

And that's the way it is, when you play in a smaller market, but if you just want to go about the business of playing football professionally, you could do a lot worse. He's one of those guys we're lucky to have had, and one of the great free agent pickups ever in NFL history.

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"one of the great free agent pickups ever in NFL history."

and it’s great that one of the others was also by the Packers, when they picked up Reggie White.

by Archibaldcrane on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 PM CST reply actions  

Don't know any FA acquisitions

That can honesly be said made more of an impact than Reggie and Wood! That gives the Packers the 2 best FA signings ever, by my way of thinking!

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by Strohman on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Drew Brees

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 13, 2011 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Trade.

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by Strohman on Dec 13, 2011 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

At least IIRC...

can’t say I recall for certain.

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by Strohman on Dec 13, 2011 1:19 AM CST up reply actions  

According to wiki

he signed a contract after turning down one from the Chargers. Maybe a trade wasn’t involved.

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by Strohman on Dec 13, 2011 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

According to wiki...

I know its wiki… But they made an offer that only included 2M in 1st yr guarenteeed money. Otherwise IIRC it was a competiitve offer, they just weren’t willing to go all in due to the severity of the shoulder injury. NO was the only team willing to put 10M guarenteed into him. Miami didn’t make an offer and backed out when the Dr.s didn’t trust the shoulder would hold up.

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by Strohman on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Man, I bet Miami was pissed about that decision. Maybe I’m not remembering correctly but didn’t they then end up going with Daunte Culpepper instead lol?

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by packallday555 on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

They sure did! Whoops.

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by TrevorR on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

They got Culpepper instead. I can’t say I blame them or SD, Brees’s shoulder was a big concern and even Dr Andrews who performed the surgery and is renowned wouldn’t say he was gonna be OK.

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by Strohman on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it made sense. It’s just crazy to look back on it in hindsight.

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by packallday555 on Dec 13, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn’t like it at the time. They gave up a second rounder for a qb who was returning from a torn ACL, PCL and MCL. He had some great years and some terrible years…plus he wanted a new contract. Both QBs had red flags but only one required trading something away.

Sure Brees had some concerns but I had a lot better feeling about his future than I did about Culpepper at the time.

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by TrevorR on Dec 13, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't like the signing of Culpepper either.

BUt at the same time I can’t blame them for not taking a big chance on Brees. They had to try someone I guess, but Brees might have been the bigger risk, of course he was also the better reward.

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by Strohman on Dec 13, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope he was FA.

…and Brees should definitely be one to consider.

Maybe Kurt Warner to the Cardinals or the Rams…he brought respect and winning to two of the worst franchise ever.

Johnny Unitas was cut by Pittsburgh after they drafted him and then later signed by Baltimore

Warren Moon for Houston is another

MN has one they could throw into the mix, John Randle.

But yeah, Woodson is an amazing one. Have you seen the comparison of his years in Oakland and his years here…amazing how good he’s been since he’s been here!!!

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by TrevorR on Dec 13, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

You can probably add Willie Wood to that list too.

If I recall correctly, he was a UDFA? So I don’t know if that meets the criteria for playing on one team and going to a different team like Wood and White.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Dec 13, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah he’d be another! For a team that has had an anti FA mentality for like 25 years, having 3 names on a list of 10 is pretty impressive.

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by TrevorR on Dec 13, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

You missed his greatest speech...

one team, one mind, one heartbeat, for one game, for one last time…

Check this out, Obama doesn’t want to come see at the Super Bowl….Well guess what? If he doesn’t want to come see us, we’ll go see him!

WHITE HOUSE ON THREE …ONE TWO THREE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!

Question, since he played 8 years in Oakland, will he be inducted into the HOF as a Raider or Packer? I want him in as a Packer, even if he played most of his time in Oakland!!!

Good all around read, are you related to the other guy named Vermont on here?

Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013

by PackFaninFL on Dec 12, 2011 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

You get inducted into the NFL as a player only.

Without regard to what team you played for or how many, or which one you had the greatest impact with. Baseball inducts players for the team they made the greatest contribution, Football does not. He get inducted as Charles Woodson, period. not Charles Woodson, Green Bay Packers.

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by Strohman on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

yup…this is correct. A commonly mistaken aspect of the NFL HOF

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by TrevorR on Dec 13, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

No, he isn't.

I’ve asked him, believe me. He lived in Vermont but moved to Wisconsin a while back.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 12, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for asking . . .

As far as we know, Vermont Cubs Fan and I aren’t related. Vermont’s a small place, but not that small, although it has its own breed of Yankee hillbilly.

I moved back to Wisconsin just recently after over ten years in Vermont. This is where I grew up, though. I live in Mukwonago.

by vermontaigne on Dec 13, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

He's amazing

Thank God nobody else wanted him when he was a free agent!

I still think he’s got a couple years left after this too. I think he looks better this season than he did last.

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by packallday555 on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 PM CST reply actions  

The funny thing

He didn’t want to come to Green Bay. The problem was that the market for him was soft with only Tampa and Green Bay showing interest. Green Bay offered more money and would keep him at corner while Tampa wanted to move him to safety so he reluctantly came here.

And then fell in love with the city and the organization.

by PackApologist on Dec 12, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions  

It really is amazing to think about.

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by packallday555 on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That's great, but you may have missed the most incredible thing of all

After he got here, he came in with that West Coast “swag”, that “oakland attitude”, piled with a whole lot resentment at the world after only “little ol’ Green Bay showed interest”. And first day in camp, got in a shouting match with McCarthy. McCarthy Looked him eye to eye, read him the riot act and won his undying respect.

The rest is history…

That’s whyI tell people, if a dog starts barking at me, I immediately get on all fours and snarl and growl and stare the dog back, right in the eye, and then I win his undying fealty.

That’s how you establish respect in this world…

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by PackFaninFL on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

McCarthy Looked him eye to eye, read him the riot act and won his undying respect

Not how it happened, but… It took quite awhile for them to come to terms, not just McCarthy reading him the riot act. Otherwise point taken…

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by Strohman on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL
That’s whyI tell people, if a dog starts barking at me, I immediately get on all fours and snarl and growl and stare the dog back, right in the eye, and then I win his undying fealty.

Do you honestly tell people that haha? And I’m being totally serious by the way.

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by packallday555 on Dec 12, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

That's a great way to get bitten in the face by a dog.

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by Tepo6688 on Dec 13, 2011 3:41 AM CST up reply actions   3 recs

....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5rN1m2nJzk

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by PackFaninFL on Dec 13, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

HOF Bound

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by dieapack on Dec 14, 2011 7:13 PM CST reply actions  

without a doubt

first ballot

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by sheehan on Dec 14, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

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