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Recap: Everything Goes Wrong For Green Bay in 19-14 Loss to Kansas City

Quite simply, this was a game in which everything that could go wrong actually DID go wrong.

Unfortunately for the Green Bay Packers, they ended up on the wrong side of Murphy's Law, scoring a grand total of 0 first half points and recording 5 first downs in the first half. The Kansas City Chiefs, by contrast, were moving up and down the field, but the Green Bay defense held the Chiefs to redzone field goals. Consequently, Green Bay trailed at the half 6-0, but thanks to drops and horribly-inconsistent play by the offensive line, the Packers were in a sinking condition almost from the getgo.

In the 3rd Quarter, Donald Driver scored on a 2-yard TD strike from Aaron Rodgers to give Green Bay a 7-6 lead. It would be the only time that the Packers led in the entire game, as on Kansas City the pass defense immediately allowed Kansas City to take the lead right back at 9-7 on a 46-yard Ryan Succop field goal.

In the 4th Quarter, Kansas City scored on another field goal, this time from 20 yards out, taking a 12-7 lead. Jckie Battle extended the gap to 19-7 with a 1-yard TD run, leaving the Packers in a 12-point hole with 4:53 remaining.

On Green Bay's final drive, Rodgers was immediately sacked by Tamba Hali, before finding Randall Cobb for a 16-yard connection and a first down. After an illegal shift backed the Packers up 5 yards, Hali again demolished the hopelessly-overmatched Marshall Newhouse and sacked Rodgers again, putting the Packers in a 2nd and 20 situation with 3:57 remaining in the game. Rodgers stepped up, however, and completed each of his next 4 pass attempts to drive the Packers into the redzone. On 3rd and 3 from the Kansas City 8, Rodgers scrambled out to the right, pump-faked twice, and ran into the endzone, cutting Kansas City's lead to 19-14 with 2:04 remaining.

Some silly stuff happened on the onside kick, which subsequently rolled out of bounds, and Kansas City ran out the remaining 2:03, knocking the Packers from the ranks of the undefeated and ending the longest win streak in franchise history.

Star-divide

Consider this your meltdown/vent/cooling off thread for the afternoon. There really aren't too many positives from today, and we can only hope that Derek Sherrod is able to return at some point next year.

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Wierd Game

Ok, since when is Ryan Grant our main offensive weapon? Is it just me or did it seem like McCarthy used an overabundance of Ryan Grant? Yeah, I know there were some drops but I remember last year when we were at 3rd and 1 and Aaron would pass for the first down. I understand Arrowhead is a tough place to play, but the Packers have played in domes that have amplified sound and won. The Chiefs played hard, no doubt about that, but I would say McCarthy didn’t gameplan quite as much as he normally would for this one. Maybe he wanted to take away the 16-0 discussion. He wanted to give the team the bad taste in their mouth from a loss. That taste can become a fire in your belly that warms the Terrors of the Tundra now until February. The Packers this Sunday will be dangerous. They’ll be mad and flying all over the field, and their best present will be a win.

by biggun33 on Dec 19, 2011 6:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Not the worst thing in the world, Exposed some flaws, and now they won't have

to answer any more questions about going unbeaten. Clinching homefield against the Bears will have to do.

Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.

by CarolinaHawk on Dec 18, 2011 3:48 PM CST reply actions  

So what's the injury with Sherrod?

The bar I watched the game on didn’t have the sound on so I don’t know the extent of the injury. Is he gone for the season?

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

yeah MM said afte the game that Sherrod is done for the year.

hopefully Bulaga’s injury isn’t too seriously and hopefully Clifton can play in the postseason

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.

by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 18, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

His whole leg was in an air cast,

so it’s safe to assume it’s pretty serious.

Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.

by CarolinaHawk on Dec 18, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I know we don't do vet FA's....

But would picking up Gaither make sense? He’s not really that great, but at least he’s a tackle that might be able to help contribute

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think TT with stick

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he might be on the Chargers. You’re talking about the former Raven right?

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

The carted him off with an air cast after Hali inadvertantly landed on Sherrod’s ankle trying to sack Rodgers

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 18, 2011 3:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The JS is reporting he’s done for the year

by Jedi Master A-Rod on Dec 18, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching the replay, legs aren’t supposed to bend that way. Fracture, or massive tear.

by DrCheese on Dec 18, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that your professional opinion?

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

"We're nobody's underdog!"

"We don't play scared!"

by NorthStarr on Dec 19, 2011 1:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree with the last point, hope Sherrod will be ok next year

Lets get healthy for playoffs and hopefully win the next two but not concern ourselves too much with it

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 18, 2011 3:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

We couldn't hear a thing in our bar

Could someone explain the illegal touching penalty? I know, I shouldn’t belabor the point, but I literally could not hear anything.

by osc630 on Dec 18, 2011 3:54 PM CST reply actions  

Jordy went out of bounds and then was the first guy to

touch it. The ball had gone well beyond 10 yards.

Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.

by CarolinaHawk on Dec 18, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw it.

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

"We're nobody's underdog!"

"We don't play scared!"

by NorthStarr on Dec 19, 2011 1:37 AM CST up reply actions  

You would have been more confused if you had heard it

the official said he touched it before the ball had traveled 10 yards, which he clearly hadn’t.

13.

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by Wiedmann on Dec 18, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

this is what will happen the last two weeks

crush the Bears next week to ensure homefield if the Niners do win tomorrow. Then rest the starters against Detroit. No need to play Rodgers or any of the offensive line and risk injury against that dirty squad.

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.

by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 18, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions  

Exactamundo

Rodgers will probably play one series against the Lions.

"If only a face could talk" -- John Madden

by wibrownguy on Dec 18, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

this is what I'm hoping for as well

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Don’t play any of the offensive line? Dominguez will play the line by himself?

Nitschke never wore an earring!

by Packer Pete on Dec 19, 2011 6:23 AM CST up reply actions   3 recs

OK so I'm no football expert...

Never really played other than a few games of Madden, and I tend to get mesmerized by the ball so I don’t often follow what’s going on with the offensive/defensive line matchups, but I’ve been trying to pay attention to that more lately, and am I wrong in thinking that loss could almost be directly pinned on Newhouse? I didn’t see one play where he looked like a solid lineman, even when he was actually blocking his guy he was backed right into Rodgers face.

However, I almost feel a sense of relief after that loss. It really sucked, but I hated the stress of being undefeated, although I really would have loved to see them have an undefeated season.

Damn it! I need another beer!

by HumanAfterAll on Dec 18, 2011 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed; any explanation for why

McCarthy didn’t keep in a TE to chip on Hali? I didn’t see this at all, did I miss it or was McCarthy being “Martz-ian” in his “I’m not changing the scheme to protect my QB”?

by danr2040 on Dec 18, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Things really went wrong once Sherrod went down

At that point there is nothing you can do to try and protect your tackles when you are down to one of four tackles.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, after Sherrod went down I understand

but Hali was working Newhouse all game as McCarthy should have expected. Part of the game plan should have been to have a TE chipping

by danr2040 on Dec 18, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

especially since finley had greased hands today.

he might as well have been doing that job.

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with protecting your tackles

It limits your play calling for pass plays. And sense we were limited on HB’s, and Mike did not want to run any into the ground, the Chiefs could rush without regard for the whole game. I really disliked his play calling for this game, but I haven’t spent 30+ years learning about offense in the NFL.

For Newhouse, he was facing one of the best, and most relentless pass rushers he will face. Every year, we hear Mike talking about players making the jump from year one to two. Unfortunately, the lockout hurt these group of players the most.

by Shoes31 on Dec 18, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

the Saints did it on Jared Allen all day today

Jimmy Graham chipped him on just about every pass play, and Allen was a non-factor. Meanwhile Brees topped 400 yards and Graham had a TD

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You really cant

Chip both ends or LB’ers. Doing so on one side works fine, it just delays the route for the TE. But if the rush is getting there from other places, than that TE really did nothing for that play, so its better to send him out into a route right away. At least that’s how I understand it.

I still don’t get why Mike was calling deep passing plays every play. Would have liked to see more less than 10 yard routes.

by Shoes31 on Dec 19, 2011 7:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I still don’t get why Mike was calling deep passing plays every play. Would have liked to see more less than 10 yard routes.

He always has. I sure wish he would have adjusted after it became evident that the pass rush wasn’t going to give the receivers time to get open deep.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

the best way to beat press man is by going downfield

the Chiefs were playing press man so the Packers tried to stretch the field. Unfortunately that doesn’t work when your line can’t hold up even for a couple seconds against a 3 or 4 man rush

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 19, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem

with your QB being pounded by the defense REALLY LIMITS YOUR PASS PLAYS!!

by PacerBacker on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Finley and Nelson

Did not show up. Over a dozen dropped balls. Jordy had 4!!! penalties! ARod had a lot of grief from the rush, and the O-Line was in disarray the whole second half. It would be great to blame the D – they had some nice goal line stands – but it’s the dropped balls.

by DrCheese on Dec 18, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Sherrod is going to IR, pretty much is my guess

So, who do we bring up from practice squad? We bring up another offense lineman if Clifton doesn’t suit up? If Clifton suits up and plays, do we bring in Tori Gurley? Do we look elsewhere?

by king.nothing on Dec 18, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

As I said in the fourth quarter thread

it was a great run, as a fan I’ve enjoyed every second of it. It had to end sometime though, and I’m glad that it wasn’t in the playoffs.

Now it’s time to regroup, get healthy, and get the team back on track for the games that really matter.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

I hope this one burns

That’s the only way this game will mean anything.

by Danwood on Dec 18, 2011 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

i didnt get to watch the game cuz of work,

but i saw finley had 10 targets for 3 receptions. what was that all about?

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by tutts3131 on Dec 18, 2011 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

he couldn't hang on to the ball

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He and Jordy Nelson stunk it up good. All sorts of dropped balls. Nelson had 4 penalties. KC spanked us good.

by DrCheese on Dec 18, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Just heard Bill Michaels...

Derrick Sherrod has a broken leg :( … Real bummer. Two young future studs Quarless and Sherrod down big-time.

Overshadows this loss….

But grand scheme, loss means little. When the Niners went 15-1 in (whatever year it was) and their lone loss was against Pttsburgh, a losing team, at home, nobody cared. Ditto with Denver’’s loss against Giants in ’98. All that matters is Indy. Four games from being in Indy. Sixteen Quarters of Football left.

Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013

by PackFaninFL on Dec 18, 2011 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

I respect McCarthy...

…he said in his post-g conference, “they flat out beat us”. Bottom line: Chiefs deserved it, we didn’t.

From what I can tell, the Chiefs are the closest thing to the Bears (whom we’ve struggled against offensively 3 out of last 4 games)… substitute “Hall” for “Peppers”, they can get pressure on us with just rushing Four, and a cover two safety blanketing our WR deep. And that’s the Bears formula…best way to slow us down.

Which brings us back to that middle being open in a cover two, to be exploited by a TE glares at Finley and his drops

Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013

by PackFaninFL on Dec 18, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Hali, sorry

But Bears play more zone than KC, so not totally the same. But similar enough.

Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013

by PackFaninFL on Dec 18, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

no, their front 4 is better than chicago's

chicago can’t put constant pressure on the qb like KC. Also, Chicago can’t cover in the back end like KC. The reason they’re not winning their division is simple: the injuries early to their stars hurt them hard. They’d’ve killed us with all their starters playing.

by Nels Winkler on Dec 18, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

and the Packers would have killed them with all their starters playing...

no ifs and buts though

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Some reason to worry, but

Good reasons not to worry because 1) we won’t be on the road anymore 2) we’ll get Jennings and Clifton back to fix the drops/pressure on Rodgers.

But at the same time this game exposed 2 big flaws that we’ve hid for a while with a fantastic passing game: 1) lack of a pass rush even on 3rd and medium/long 2) an inability to run the ball to convert 3rd and short. Hopefully our offense can return to form.

by danr2040 on Dec 18, 2011 4:38 PM CST reply actions  

Totally

Our D was pretty good minus the big plays as usual. Really felt the loss of Jenkins today, hopefully between this season and next we can fix that problem, but as you said, we can get past that with our offense once it gets a little healthier (specifically the offensive line and Starks). I liked Grant a lot today but it felt like we missed Starks in the passing game.

Damn it! I need another beer!

by HumanAfterAll on Dec 18, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree

The D wasn’t petty good. One three-and-out against one of the weakest offenses in the league. The Chiefs averaged only 13.3 points a game coming in to this game. The Chiefs had long drive after long drive that ate clock and kept the Packers pinned in their territory. Sure, the Chiefs settled for field goals, but with the game on the line with three minutes to go, the Chiefs ran the ball down the D’s throat to wrap up the game. A very poor outing by the Packer D.

Nitschke never wore an earring!

by Packer Pete on Dec 19, 2011 6:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Kansas City will be nearly as weak with Orton in the lineup

Tyler Palko was all sorts of atrocious this season, but Haley stuck with him anyway. As a result of Palko’s awful play, the Chiefs were ripped apart by the Jets.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 19, 2011 6:34 AM CST up reply actions   3 recs

If the receivers are not dropping the ball and somebody remembers to cover the TE

this game likely plays out differently.

GB played a ridiculously awful game and lost by 5.

Rats

by Big10freak on Dec 18, 2011 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

looked to me like

if the chiefs would have fired haley and promoted orton as soon as they got him, they’d be in the playoff hunt. that’s not a bad football team we lost to today. even with all their injuries.

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

*fired haley 2 games ago.*

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

they did promote Orton as soon as they got him

he got hurt on his first play and this is the first time he’s been healthy since

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i was misinformed, then.

kc radio said he could have been playing the last two weeks, but haley chose to stay with palko because he thought that was his best option.

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 5:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

really? I remember they played Orton right away and he got hurt

I just assumed he was still hurt, not sure why they would’ve changed their minds about him being the starter if he was healthy again

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

610 isn't always the most reliable source of information,

so you may be right. or maybe he was still hurt, but he thought he could have been playing. idk.

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Haley started Palko the week after they had Orton and only put him in after one more quarter of ugliness form Palko.

Orton’s first play was a flea flicker and he dislocated his finger. I think Haley’s refusal to bench Palko was a major reason the let him go mid season.

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by saskwatch on Dec 19, 2011 6:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Orton

Orton came in last week in relief of Palko, who started and stunk as usual. Orton dislocated his right index finger on his first and only play that game. The Packer game was Orton’s first start and first extended action.

Nitschke never wore an earring!

by Packer Pete on Dec 19, 2011 6:29 AM CST up reply actions  

It was 2 weeks ago.

Orton missed last week. The failure to put Stanzi in instead of Palko even during a blowout was a major reason Pioli whacked him the next morning in my opinion.

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by saskwatch on Dec 19, 2011 6:32 AM CST up reply actions  

So now that I've had a chance to remember what losing feels like,

here’s my feelings on the game. First of all, the offense came out flat as a pancake, but they still had a chance to win the game. Second, there’s no way this loss can be put on the defense. When the other team has the ball for 36 minutes, you can’t expect the D to have much left at the end. Third, what’s most concerning to me is that Rodgers seems to be fading a bit towards the finish line. You can blame the receivers or the weather or whatever you want, but he was just plain inaccurate today and has been since the Tampa game. Fourth, I would’ve conceded the game after Bulaga went out. I’m sure I will get butchered for saying so, but my feeling is that they only have to win 1 out of three games maybe to set themselves up for the playoffs. I realize they were going for perfection and all, and you normally don’t pull your starters with the game still on the line, but there is a bigger picture here. Rodgers should’ve come out in the 4th QTR, especially with the pressure KC was getting all day.

There was a silver lining in the game though. I was impressed with the Grant’s running today. He put up a 5.5 YPC against a decent rush defense, so maybe that part is finally starting to come around. Either way, this loss does nothing but take off the pressure, and after the next few days of hearing about how they choked away the perfect season, this team can slide right back under the radar where they seem more comfortable. I fully expect to see a different team from here on out.

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Clinch Division = DONE!!!
Clinch 1st Rd Bye = DONE!!!
Clinch Homefield = 1

by Bezerkers on Dec 18, 2011 5:17 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I'm not too worried about Rodgers

He was more inaccurate than normal, that much is sure, but more than his own inaccuracies was the drops by recievers. The only WR who put in a good day today was Cobb.

The thing that I don’t think many of us Packer fans realize is that the KC defense is probably the toughest one that the Packers will face. They have the speed on the outside to stick with our skill players and they have the pass rush to be put pressure on Rodgers. Really most of the teams in the NFC, and even teams in the NFL have one or the other, but not both. Mix that with the injuries to out offense and putting all of it on the road and this sort of thing happens.

Get Cliffy back there and Bulaga back on the field and Jennings. Put it in the friendly confines of Lambeau and the Packers should be fine.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the offense was more of a problem than KC's D.

Not to take away from KC’s D, because they played lights out today, but Rodgers was just off today. I don’t think its anything that can’t be fixed, but he hasn’t looked the same since Tampa. I think the hits may be starting to wear on him a bit, so I think they need to take every opportunity they can to take him out, whether they have a lead or not.

Packers' Magic Numbers:
Clinch Division = DONE!!!
Clinch 1st Rd Bye = DONE!!!
Clinch Homefield = 1

by Bezerkers on Dec 18, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he should play more than a series in the Detroit game

not worth the risk

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Jay Cutler will play next week.

Not that it will matter.

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by hawks61 on Dec 18, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Bear season is pretty much over

What’s the point of rushing Cutler back? That said, i wouldn’t be surprised if Hanie got cut tomorrow.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Dec 18, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Caleb was pulled

He will not be starting next game. Unfortunately, this is bad for us. Our D seems to struggle with facing new QB’s where there is no film on them.

by Shoes31 on Dec 19, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I would say that the reason why Rodgers was off was KC's D

Rodgers typically doesn’t throw into coverage. He was also pressured by a top end pass rusher. So with his recievers not getting open (or dropping balls) caused him to make some bad throws. That’s a defense winning at the line and staying in their coverage. First time that’s really happened all year for a team to be able to deep enough in the secondary and beat our line in pass protection.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i kind of thought the wind may have been playing a big part in rodgers' inaccuracy.

thought it didn’t seem to hurt orton much…..

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

it helped Orton that he had all day every time he dropped back

and his receivers were running wide open most of the game

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

true.

but if palko had played, packers would have won today.

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 6:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

they would have beaten a few teams they way they played today.

"We can't beat William and Mary!! Bill and Mary?? They put their pants on the same way we do!!"

by threadkiller on Dec 18, 2011 7:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

At the game

Wind wasn’t that bad. Minor factor.

by Ryanweiss13 on Dec 18, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope this one hurts the players bad.

Maybe they can come fired up for the rest of the year.

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by TGPackersTwins19 on Dec 18, 2011 5:25 PM CST reply actions  

The D

has scared me all yr. and going into the playoffs with the D sucking and AR cooling off doesnt do much to lessen those fears.

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by bigbill992001 on Dec 18, 2011 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

IMO

Collins is the biggest loss thus far in that regard. Hopefully he’ll be back next year, but considering how many big plays the D gives up every freakin’ game they’ve been pretty good in terms of the scoreboard. But I agree, not too comfortable, it’ll be a challenge but I think having this pressure off their shoulders and getting some rest before the playoffs will do them well.

I don’t know if its the pressure or fatigue or what, but we’ve seen uncharacteristic play from a lot of guys recently, and its always those plays that are like “well that won’t happen again” but the problem is that it does..

Damn it! I need another beer!

by HumanAfterAll on Dec 18, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

[face palm]

So they weren’t lights out, but they only allowed 19 points. I’m comfortable expecting 20+ points out of the offense week in and week out.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS!

Take a deep breath, bigbill. The first loss of the season in week 15 is not the end of the world.

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by wibrownguy on Dec 18, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s about how time consuming all the drives were. The more teams can keep Rodgers off the field the better. We couldn’t find a rhythm on offense all game and a big part of that was because we had limited possessions, imo.

And not too mention all the blown assignments that led to big plays. I mean, the Chiefs weren’t doing anything mind blowing or anything. We couldn’t hold contain on the edges and I’m still wondering how Pope got so wide open down the middle off play action all those plays.

When the offense doesn’t give the defense a big lead to play with they’re horrible. It’s hard to force turnovers when teams are just pounding the ball and running play action off that taking the easy throws. And this is a concern because teams like Atlanta, New York, or New Orleans could all use that same sort of game planning against us.

Of course, having Jennings will obviously make a huge difference so maybe we’ll be able to rely on our offense giving us a big league.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Trev argued this too in another thread....still not buying.

Drops had just as much as of an impact of keeping the offense off the field as the defense not getting off the field. If the offense stayed on the field in the first half and made the conversions that were needed this game would of been a win.

All year we’ve said this defense is bend but don’t break, and that’s okay for the most part. Well the defense didn’t change its MO one little bit. For the most part they kept the Chiefs out of the end zone, hell they even held the Chiefs UNDER what the defense averages for the year.

This.
wasn’t.
their.
fault.

If it hangs on anyone it hangs on Finley. He should be roasted as much or more than the D. Ten targets and three catches isn’t good enough. Unfortunately by the time the receivers were coming around and catching the ball the offensive line was shot. Let’s face it Newhouse is okay and EDS just a little bit worse than him, and when it’s those guys going up against one of the toughest front sevens in the league it’s going to make things tough on Rodgers. As a result the offense couldn’t hold up its end of the bargain.

But the defense did what it’s always done this year. Well except for one thing, they weren’t able to create a turnover. That’s it.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

But the defense did what it’s always done this year. Well except for one thing, they weren’t able to create a turnover. That’s it.

That’s exactly the problem. They didn’t stop them enough. We stopped them 3 times on 9 possessions, and on the goaline stand stop they ran 9+ minutes off the clock. We needed to get quicker stops and give the offense some more possessions to develop a rhythm.

We gained a combined 69 yards on our first two drives but then had to wait 9+ min from our 2nd possession to our 3rd possession. And then even when we did get it we were backed up at our 3. Not really putting the offense in a position to succeed.

And when we really needed stops, we failed to get all three. 1) we gave up a FG after the TD we scored, and really first good drive we put together of the game, which totally shifted the momentum back. 2) We give up a TD when we need to hold them to a FG and let them drive 64 yards to do so. 3) We give up 32 yards on 4 carries when it’s blatantly obvious that they’re going to run to let them ice the clock.

I’m not saying it’s all on the defense — it’s not. But I think they deserve a lot of the blame here.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

agreed on Finley

he was bad today. those drops are drive killers.

Life is too short to drink bad coffee...

by Jeigh AK on Dec 18, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah Finley was godawful

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Not buying the scapegoating

A. It was the Chiefs. Terrible, terrible offense, one of the worst. Yet they marched up and down the field against the Packers! Were they more competent and/or talented, some of those fgs would have been tds.

and

B. Rodgers wasn’t placing the ball as well as he usually does. Whether that was a function of being harassed in the pocket or what, i don’t know, but the placement was not there. Finley should have made more catches, but some of those weren’t high percentage throws.

The whole team played poorly except for Grant and Masthay. Poor show all around — and not just Finley.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Dec 18, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

while 19 points is good defense against most teams

the fact remains that this was the CHIEFS that they gave up 19 points, 36 minutes of possession, and repeated sustained drives to. That is absolutely not acceptable when it’s against one of the worst offenses in the NFL, with a QB who’s barely been there a month, and been unable to practice half of that time.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Move On. Nothing to See Here.

The game didn’t demonstrate anything that hasn’t been true all season long: the Packers are a one-dimensional team. If Rodgers doesn’t have a QB rating of at least 110, they are extremely vulnerable. The defense is incapable of shutting down any playoff team, so they must outscore them. Otherwise, the party’s over.

by 1-10-1 on Dec 18, 2011 6:08 PM CST reply actions  

Most teams have to outscore the other team....typically that's called winning.

You know I know the defense wasn’t lights out, but I wouldn’t call them one-dimensional either. The defense is still pretty good at keeping other teams out of the endzone. They are also pretty good at causing turn overs. The running game is also better than advertised, it’s just under used.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   4 recs

WAY under used

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

RG25 had a hot hand on the day

When your passing game is totally ineffective, it’s not a bad idea to give it to the guy with 5.5 YPC.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 18, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

McCarthy’s always gets away from the running game. It just hasn’t been a problem this season because Rodgers has been able to make all the passing plays work.

But I think he could have done a better job helping Rodgers out after Buluga went down.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

that is too true.

The real problem is that they couldn’t make the short runs when they needed it. I’m still wondering what was going on with that Kuhn call on third and 1

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

That, along with the decision to go with the

onside kick, were both curious decisions at best.

Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.

by CarolinaHawk on Dec 18, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I liked the onside kick decision and it was awfully indicative of how good McCarthy felt about the defense being able to get a stop.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I agreed 100% with the onside kick decision

and it was proven to be the right decision by the defense’s inability to stop the Chiefs even when they knew they were running every play. They’d been picking up first downs between the 20s at will all day, you had to assume the game was over if they got the ball back, and it was.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Besides the fact that it was blatantly obvious haha? I didn’t like it because a) when you motion Grant out wide it couldn’t be more obvious that it’s a dive to Kuhn, b) our interior was getting blown up all game.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah that was as obvious a play as I've ever seen, that third and 1

everyone in America knew that Kuhn was getting the ball there as soon as Grant motioned out

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell, even when they first lined up I knew it was going to Kuhn. How many times have we handed it off to Kuhn on 3rd and 1 or on the goaline this season? I can remember quite a few. It was great at first because nobody expected it and we could quick snap them. But when they know it’s coming, they’re gonna stop it — which seems to be the case with our run in general.

At this point, I’d just like to see a QB sneak called on 3rd and 1. We’ve proven time and again that we can’t get 1-2 yards when we need too.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 19, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't wanna see Rodgers sneaking

rather spread the field in shotgun and have him scramble if none of the quick routes are open

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 19, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Im a bit surprised

That Kuhn and Grant did not get more carries too. I thought he would take Kuhn out of his FB position and put one of the TE’s in there, letting us run the ball more. After all, that was the reason for so many TE’s on the roster, right? Because they are versatile?

by Shoes31 on Dec 18, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have liked to see this as well

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, but I'm giving MM the benefit of the doubt

maybe he didn’t wanna risk running Grant into the ground and maybe injuring him and leaving them with no backs? I dunno. I do wish they’d stayed under center a little more though

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

while i agree

I can see MMs logic here. Grant is really hit or miss on his runs. He needs a solid hole where he can make his second level cut. And while it was successful most of the day today I cant argue with taking it out of #12s hands. Kuhn really didnt get involved much today at all. Maybe because the Packers only had 2 RBs dressed? Not sure. Just my opinion

by packers34 on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the Playoffs

The record of the Packers’ D against top-flight QB’s is consistent—and worrisome. It is most definitely not good at keeping playoff teams out of the end zone. Brees, Rivers, Manning have all shredded the secondary. Rodgers may be able to win shoot-outs all the way through the Super Bowl, but one bad—or even mediocre—game, and the D is incapable of compensating. New Orleans got away with a similar high-wire act; it’s likely the Packers’ playoff run will keep us on the edge of our seats.

by 1-10-1 on Dec 18, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

They did a good job of shutting down Rothlesburger and Vick

Maybe it will, although I don’t know if it’s as bad as everyone is thinking. The Packers tend to hold teams to field goals when they get into the red zone, even those high powered ones. The real problem of today’s loss was the offense sputtering.

As for the playoff run, well those elite QB’s you mentioned, well I can count on one hand the ones I really fear when push comes to shove. It’s mostly Brees and Brady and both of those teams have a defense to match ours.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Brees, Brady, Rivers (if he's really reverted to old form), and to a lesser extent Eli

although if it’s windy and cold at Lambeau, Brees doesn’t scare me nearly as much

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Brees

Will give the ball away as good as he is. I dont see NO being as effective outside on the road in the cold. They average about 15 points less outside than inside if I remember correctly

by packers34 on Dec 18, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah and New Orleans only got away with that because the Vikings were hell bent on giving the NFC Championship away

Packers can’t count on another team doing the same for them

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

:)

Im happy

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Thomas Jefferson

by RileysCannibalJct on Dec 18, 2011 6:16 PM CST reply actions  

Why? Because your team is terrible?

You know, in one of its worst seasons ever? That the Vikings are on such a misguided path that they were able to accomplish everything they wanted and are still one of the worst teams in the league?

Or are you happy that now that Colts have one and play another terrible team this year the Vikings can realistically suck for Luck?

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

FLAWLESS VICTORY

Like my post? Well, follow me on Twitter anyways. @LenBarson

by LenBarson on Dec 18, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

WHY DO YOU EVEN PONDER PASSING?!?!?!

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oddly enough,

They’re still probably asking themselves that.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 18, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN, THIS IS THE SUPER BOWL!?1?

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

OMG, DN is recruiting trolls to send at us! Must ban all members of DN that post here! /Gates rant

by Shoes31 on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

this does not get old

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Slightly less cool:

13.

Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!

by Wiedmann on Dec 18, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I prefer to say "Oh, the Catanity!" myself

December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!

In Cheese We Trust

by Zundar on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

How are you going to feel about a 2-14 record this year?

And I can sense if I go over to DN that you will deny ever coming to troll here.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

This game sucked

But I"m not worried. I still think they’re the best team in the NFL and I think they’re the best bet to win the Super Bowl.

But let’s not ignore that the defense deserves some of the blame. Sure, not as much as the offense. They only gave up 19 points, but that was to a team that hadn’t score more than 10 points since the end of October. KC had the ball over 36 minutes, partially because the offense couldn’t get going but also because the defense couldn’t stop them until they got in the red zone.

This game seemed to me to be a bad effort from everyone not named Masthay.

Overall I’m thrilled with the team this season. Still am confident. Now we can stop wondering about perfection and just win a 2nd straight Super Bowl.

GO PACK GO!

December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!

In Cheese We Trust

by Zundar on Dec 18, 2011 6:21 PM CST reply actions  

the Packers will be fine once people get healthy

need to get Newhouse out of the starting lineup and get Clifton and Bulaga healthy again.

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.

by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 18, 2011 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

We’ll be fine. We needed this to keep us focused

by Proud American on Dec 18, 2011 6:59 PM CST reply actions  

Another thought:

I refuse to blame the officials for today’s Packer game. The Packers did everything they could do to lose and were lucky it was only 19-14.

The fact that the officials did not review an apparent fumble through the endzone is not the only reason the Packers lost. They lost because of an inability to catch passes and play clean football.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 18, 2011 7:05 PM CST reply actions   3 recs

True

While watching the game I never thought the refs had anything to do with it. I didn’t agree with the 2 OPIs against Neslon, but 1 was a incomplete pass on 3rd down and the other was a 1st down play from their own 20.

As to not replaying the fumble near the end zone, look how long it took Fox to notice. I wondered at the time, but they didn’t show it enough. Plus we deserved to lose.

December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!

In Cheese We Trust

by Zundar on Dec 18, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Remember

We had a “clunker” like this with just 3 games left to play in the regular season last year when we lost to Detroit. We played crappy throughout that game long before Rodgers was knocked out. This team can right the ship and right it quickly as we showed last season after the Detroit and New England losses. No one wants to lose, but the timing was pretty good in that it quickly wipes away all the undefeated talk and pressure that goes with it. It will also give McCarthy some ammunition to refocus the team. They were basically sleepwalking through this game and everyone, including McCarthy knew it. You can blame the injuries, but the eye test shows that the effort and concentration just was not there. The streak was great while it lasted. Time to secure home field throughout the playoffs, get healthy and make another Super Bowl run.

by Icebowler on Dec 18, 2011 7:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

LOL PACKER SUX

ROGER IS OVARATED CUT WOODSON THEY WILL NEVER WIN AGAIN

NAOPOS

by blackoutsox on Dec 18, 2011 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

Newhouse had a bad game,

but it doesn’t excuse the comments people are sending him on twitter. It makes Packer fans look terrible: http://twitter.com/#!/MNewhouse74

by jonohull on Dec 18, 2011 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

What a bunch of dicks

If you wanna criticize him, that’s fine, but show some class.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 18, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

wow that's disgusting

I’m sure he knows fully well that he had a rough day, last thing he needs is people piling on. I am disappoint.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE AND GO FULL BLOWN REBUILD MODE!

AS AN OWNER,I WANT THIS DONE NOW! Being a jackass aside, although I didn’t get the chance to see the game, it seems the offensive line was the focal point of our problems on offense. And with 2 more injuries, that has me worried. If the 9ers don’t lose tomorrow, then I’m sure we can get a W against a Hanie led Bears team. And I have been a big Finley supporter, despite all his talk without having done anything significant except show potential. But these drops are getting ridiculous. But this will give McCarthy plenty to get on them about. Here’s to going 18-1! Go Pack Go!

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by RaY210 on Dec 18, 2011 7:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Some thing I noticed over the past few games

Earlier in the season, teams were playing a lot of zone against us. In the last few games, they have played a lot more man coverage, and we are not playing as well as we have earlier. Looks like Rodgers and the receivers have to work more on beating man coverage, either through better separation or different route concepts.

by Shoes31 on Dec 18, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions  

if Finley was consistently catching the ball, I think the offense would still be working okay

it seems like during that stretch Finley has had more opportunities in the middle of the field, he just needs to catch better, then the defense might be forced to adjust, which might open things up more for everyone else.

I think by far the biggest issue right now is protection. If Rodgers was getting even close to the time back there that guys like Brees and Brady are getting, he’d be shredding defenses the same way he was early in the year. Hopefully this changes when Clifton comes back healthy

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the loss goes on the offense but the notion that the defense is “fine” is pretty off, imo. They basically can’t stop a nose bleed, and really haven’t been able to all season. I know we force turnovers but what happens when a team pounds the ball, and their QB makes smart decisions?

I fully expect the offense to look better with Jennings returning and hopefully Clifton and maybe then the offense will be able to cover up our horrendous defense but it’d sure be nice if they could just get like 3 or 4 stops a game. The Chiefs put together a great game plan offensively and might have shown others how to play us. They pounded the run game, and then gave Orton some safe plays when he needed to throw. If I were an O-coordinator I’d tell my QB to not take any chances and make sure I help him do so with my play calling. There will definitely be teams who can execute that kind of game plan against us too, imo. (Falcons, Giants, Saints)

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

What killed our D

Was the play action fakes. We kept on biting on them, leaving receivers open 30 yards down the field. For better or worse, we are an aggressive defense, and while it causes turnovers, it also leads to big plays.

by Shoes31 on Dec 18, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s stupid, frankly. There’s good aggression and then there’s biting on every fake or double move. We’re guilty of the latter.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

No.....just no.

Okay let’s break this down, starting with the fact that our defense is not horrendous. Not by a long shot. The defense is actually pretty good, it’s just not a defense that is able to be the core of the team. It’s not. If you think that is the way the 2011 Packers are built then you haven’t been paying attention.

No, this defense is a complement. It’s a unit that relies on the offense. Now this doesn’t mean that they need the lead. For example I think MM is right to defer at the beginning of the game and let the defense take the field first. What the defense does need is for the offense to put pressure on the other team. The pressure that the offense puts on the other team will typically force the other team into mistakes which our defense is very good at capitalizing on. It also forces the other team to take to the air which plays into where most of the talent of our defense is (despite missing Collins). Hell, when the defense is able to do this they are one of the scariest units of the league because they are able to get picks. That’s pretty damn good.

Games like this take the pressure of the game and put it on the defense and especially the front 7. Our front 7 is not dynamic. Whether that’s injury or a hole that was Cullen Jenkins is a meaningless question at this point. It is what it is. They aren’t terrible, but they aren’t a top defense. They are very good at a few things and struggle in a few other areas. Calm down, the season is still fine and the defense is still able to put the team in a position to win most games…..which it was able to do today if the offense was able to do what it is supposed to do.

by PackApologist on Dec 18, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

If you think that is the way the 2011 Packers are built then you haven’t been paying attention.

Let’s just get something straight here — the defense wasn’t built to simply “compliment” the offense this season. And if it was, that theory is fundamentally wrong. I’ve seen others suggest it and I don’t buy it one bit. Considering how strong our defense was last season, the fact that we’ve been so soft this season is simply mind boggling. And forgive me for not thinking that it’s because the coaches wanted us to play that way. Obviously, we’d just get the stops if we could.

The defense isn’t playing bend don’t break because that’s what the coaches “installed”. They’re playing that because that’s just how good they really are. We are absolutely putird in between the 20’s. We have let teams do whatever they want whenever they want all season long for the most part. And that was the case when Collins was still playing too.

It’s a unit that relies on the offense. Now this doesn’t mean that they need the lead.

Yeah, it really does. Today is a perfect example of that. The defense couldn’t rely on the offense, and we suffered greatly because of it. They gave up long, time consuming drives and when they did get stops the Chiefs were always able to at least flip the field position.

Calm down, the season is still fine and the defense is still able to put the team in a position to win most games…..which it was able to do today if the offense was able to do what it is supposed to do.

I’m plently calm. When Jennings is back, as well as Clifton, the offense will probably be able to cover up the defense. The possibility of cold weather games in the playoffs do scare me though because the wind effects accuracy and the cold tends to lead to more drops. If that happens and all the sudden we need the defense to step up, I don’t know how capable they are of doing so.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 18, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

have a hard time believing the "compliment theory"

when this same defense was relied upon and carried us many times last year and throughout the playoffs. not like we changed coaches or personnel. maybe losing jenkins and collins really does hurt that bad. but hell if i knew what was wrong id be a coach lol

by packers34 on Dec 18, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Complement

I’m sure Capers and McCarthy are just as surprised, puzzled and frustrated as the fans with a defense that was a top two unit last season that can’t get off the field this season with essentially the same players.

Nitschke never wore an earring!

by Packer Pete on Dec 19, 2011 6:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep. The loss of Jenkins has hurt us much more than anybody wants to admit. We’ve had zero pass rush all season long.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Dec 19, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Crennell gives Game Balls to Finley and Nelson.

Over a dozen dropped balls. Four, count them! Four penalties by a reciever (Jordy, for shame!!). Packers stunk it up, and lost this game. Give credit to KC, and especially Orton. O-Line has collapsed, the D is undisciplined. We may be 13-1, but we have serious issues.

by DrCheese on Dec 18, 2011 10:42 PM CST reply actions  

Nelson didn't drop any balls

and those OPI calls were weak at best, the second one in particular was a phantom call.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 18, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

^This.^

Still waiting to read a comment by this guy that I actually agree with.

Hasn’t happened yet, that I can think of.

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

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"We don't play scared!"

by NorthStarr on Dec 19, 2011 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

finleys drops were bad.

nelson. he did his job pretty well. those OPI calls were odd.

Life is too short to drink bad coffee...

by Jeigh AK on Dec 18, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

If you had told me, at the beginning of the season, that the Packers would be 13-1,

I wouldn’t have cared much which week the loss came in. I still don’t. Undefeated would have been cool, but not nearly as cool as a repeat Super Bowl win. There were two or three wins this year that were actually pretty sketchy — where the difference between W or L turned on one or two crucial plays. We got those; we didn’t get this one.

The fact is, “parity” is a reality in the NFL A large group of teams are really close in overall talent. Certainly, there are differences, but those differences manifest themselves statistically — that is, by season records — and not by guaranteed one-on-one outcomes. Just look at today: SD>>BAL, PHI>>Jest, WAS>>NYG, CAR>HOU, SEA>CHI (okay, that one is marginal), and yes, KC>GB. These were all games where the loser was favored, and where the game did actually mean something to them. It happens.

While this game reaffirmed the softness of our mid-field pass defense (not exactly news), and introduced some concern about whether the passing offense will be degraded by colder weather, it was, you know, one game. I’m never in favor of losing, but at least this means MM can be completely rational about how he handles the starters playing in the last two games. Also, if there had been any sense of inevitability settling on any of the players (and I’m not asserting that this was so, just recognizing that it was possible), this should take care of that.

Beat the Bears. Rest up (within reason) against the Lions. Welcome the NFC to Lambeau. And then, a nice, cozy, indoor SB. Nothing is guaranteed (see “parity”, above), but I’m still loving life.

by bob47 on Dec 18, 2011 10:48 PM CST reply actions   4 recs

The weather wasn't cold

It was like 50 degrees there today

I am too drunk to taste this chicken.

by ThroughBeingCool on Dec 18, 2011 11:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'm a Vikes fan, and I was shocked by today. I thought it was 19-0 for sure to be honest.

And although I’ll never admit to cheering for the Packers ( :P ), I’m hoping they get to the Super Bowl well before the Saints ever do. Good luck to you guys the rest of the way, and I mean that in as respectful a way as possible.

"Like I said, I don’t think anybody on this team knows what schism is, let alone could use it in a sentence. I thought it was an STD when I first heard it. And I was like whoa, we preach abstinence around these parts." - Jared Allen

by Landonio on Dec 18, 2011 11:56 PM CST reply actions  

The Chiefs beat us fair and square

We were successful this season in large because of McCarthy’s coaching, but I blame McCarthy for this loss. The play calling was simply atrocious. Specifically abandoning the run (which was working), then going to the shotgun formation to pass. The Chiefs knew what we were going to do every time, so they out played us and out coached us. Had McCarthy stuck more with the running game and opened up the playaction in the 2nd Half, we possibly could have won this game. When the defense knows what the offense is doing on 75% of its plays, the pass rushers are gaining an extra half second to its advantage. Therefore, McCarthy didn’t give Newhouse much of a chance in blocking Hali. I don’t know why he abandoned the run when it was working, but I would assume he was desperately trying to get Rodgers into a rhythm. This move came as a big failure. It’s nothing to be down about though. Yeah, McCarthy laid an egg against KC, but he has been solid all season for us. Simply put, you can’t win them all. Bad games are bound to happen. It’s better now than in the playoffs.

Also, I’m still waiting for the defense to step up. They were not getting off the field on 3rd downs. Our offense didn’t do them any favors, but they weren’t getting it done at any point in the game except in the Red Zone. Props to them to limiting most of the Chiefs drives to only field goals, but when they are consistently moving the chains, these games will happen. This is ultimately why so many of us fans are concerned about the defense. Now you know why, because we just lost to a team that won’t make the playoffs.

It’s one loss though. We played bad. Plain and simple. Next up is beating Chicago.

One game at a time...

by Jabooty on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 AM CST reply actions  

Weekly Emotion

The results across the league yesterday showed how difficult maintaining an emotional level required to win week after week can be in the NFL. Case in point: the Texans secured the first playoff spot in team history last week, and promptly lost to the winless Colts this week, and got kicked pretty good to boot.

Fairly similar conditions for the Packers. Recently clinched the division, clinched a first round bye, playing on the road against a non-conference opponent. The Packers came out flat against a fired-up team looking to be the first to beat the Pack.

I can live with this one as long as the Pack rebounds to defeat the Bears and clinch home field throughout the playoffs. With Detroit’s win yesterday coupled with Cowboy, Giant, and Bear losses, Detroit may have a wild card clinched next week with a win. Week 17 Packers – Lions may be meaningless for both teams.

Nitschke never wore an earring!

by Packer Pete on Dec 19, 2011 6:47 AM CST reply actions  

The Texans lost to the 2-win Panthers, not the Colts.

The Titans (fighting for their playoff life) lost to the previously winless Colts. The Redskins also beat the Giants. Strange day…

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by Wiedmann on Dec 19, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

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