Aaron Rodgers Deserves the MVP: Don't Be Fooled!
by arodgb on Dec 23, 2011 7:27 PM CST
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PrintWell, if you've been bored as hell due to the holiday season [like me], you've probably been watching a lot of TV. And that's not the worst idea during Christmas season, as there's usually good TV specials on due to the holidays. But the moment I turned the channel to NFL Network [DISH NETWORK FTW, SCREW CABLE], there was an interesting subject; Should Brady or Brees win the MVP over Rodgers?
I went over to the respective SBN sites for the Patriots and Saints. Neither site seemed to tout the idea that either player was better than Rodgers, but quite a few people on each site thought that their quarterback deserved the award, and that Rodgers being the favorite was simply a result of 'hype' and being 'undefeated'.
In reality, Brady isn't better than Rodgers this year. We can look at every stat in the book: Passer rating? Behind. Interceptions? Behind. YPA? Behind. Interceptions? Behind. Completion percentage? Behind. Yeah, Brady's a hell of a quarterback, and 28 teams would take him in a heartbeat, but not today. The only stat he beats Rodgers in is yardage, which I'll cover in the Brees argument.
Brees, however, is a little different. Poised to break Marino's yardage record [as Brady is as well], I saw a few people argue that Brees deserves MVP Rodgers.
Yeah, no. While a compelling argument can be made, lets take a quick look at some stats.
Rodgers has 6 interceptions. Brees has 11. Three of Rodgers interceptions came off his receivers fingers. Brees has 11, while 5 were while his starting OT was injured.
Rodgers has 600 less passing yards, yet Rodgers has taken 79 less snaps than Brees. That's two full games worth of snaps. No wonder he has less passing yards!
Rodgers has been playing with a makeshift OT [Newhouse] and injuries all over his OL. In fact, the only reason he's suffered a statistical drop the last couple games, was because he lost three starting OLineman, James Starks, and Greg Jennings.
Rodgers is behind Brees in completion percentage [68.2% to Brees 75.1%]. However, ProFootballFocus has a stat where they keep track of every drop, throwaway, and spike by the QB, and they throw it out. This is called the 'Adjusted Completion Percentage'. Rodgers adjusted completion percentage? A whopping 79.9%. He's had 40 drops, 17 throwaways, and 2 spikes, in 549 dropbacks. Brees adjusted completion percentage? A slightly less whopping yet still extremely impressive 78.1%, with 30 drops, 8 throwaways, and 3 spikes, in 618 dropbacks.
Rodgers is averaging 9.22 yards per pass, a full one yard more than Brees, who is averaging 8.2 yards per pass.
Rodgers is chasing the passer rating record for a season [121.8 compared to his 120.1]. Brees passer rating is unbelievable as well [109.1], but again, it's nowhere near Rodgers.
Rodgers has 40 touchdown passes. Brees has 37.
There's two weeks left, and much could change. If the Seahawks beat the 49ers, Rodgers is likely only going to play two more halves of football this regular season; That, more than anything, could throw the statistics off.
But to any blind fool, it would appear that Brees is having a better season than Rodgers: He's not. The two key selling points, pass yardage and completion percentage, are both offset by drops [see: adjusted completion percentage stats above] and lack of passing snaps for Rodgers [79 less passing plays than Brees; Two full games worth of snaps.]
Rodgers is hands down the MVP of the NFL through week 14. Brees, in any other year, would probably be the MVP, but Rodgers is having a season for the ages: Don't let the last two weeks fool you.
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Bill Barnwell wrote about this question too.
He talked about a lot of the things you did, and came to the same conclusion. As I was reading it, I thought:
Boy, all these stats… one stat points to Brees, another points at Rodgers… If only there was some way that we could have them quarterback similar teams against each other in a game. That way we would just be able to see which of them would win. …oh wait… that’s exactly what happened in week 1. And Rodgers blew the doors off the place, and we won.
So, unless Brees clears the record by 1,000 yards… and even then… I’d say A-Rodg has this thing sewn up if his competition is Brees. I mean, they frickin’ played each other. How can the loser be more valuable?
by Curly Lambeau on Dec 23, 2011 8:54 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Seriously? So Green Bay’s defense is the same as New Orleans’ defense? Just saying that your logic is a bit flawed. I don’t have a beef with Rodgers winning the MVP, but please make an argument that makes sense.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 27, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Plus, that game was the kickoff at your field…ever think of how it would have played out if the situation was reversed?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 27, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
You mean if the Saints had won the SB last year & earned that kickoff game?
Don’t lose to a 7-9 team.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 27, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Wow, that is a great response…really hits the whole meaning of what i was saying, right?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions
It's the reason the Packers had the kickoff game at home
Just like it was the reason the Saints had the kickoff game last year.
Brees was lucky the game was early in the year, and not late in the year; his stats in the game would have been much worse.
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I think you’ve lost track of what I was replying to and what I was addressing, so let’s back things up and see where we are…
Curly stated that both quarterbacked similar teams against each other in a game and that would show who is a better QB. Two things stood out to me that went against the premise on which he is basing his argument:
1. Green Bay’s defense was better than the Saints…and has been much better as far as forcing turnovers in general.
2. That was a home game, which also plays a factor.
I wasn’t arguing that it wasn’t fair that we played there, but that just to say based on that one game that you have everything you need is a bit simplistic.
You took that a whole other direction and totally got lost in this whole mess of why we played there and Brees doing worse if it was a cold weather game. If you look at his splits over the past three seasons, he has played three games in cold weather (21 – 40F) and in those games he has completed 71% of his passes with 333 yards per game, 8.1 YPA, 7 TDs and 3 INTs.
Again, I don’t have a problem with Rodgers getting the MVP, but I don’t think people need to disregard certain facts in order to support him deserving it.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
GB's defense is better than the Saints?
You might get a lot of arguments from Packers fans on that one.
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Again, two things…I said Green Bay’s defense was better during that game. The Saints defense still isn’t very good, but has improved. However, Green Bay’s defense has been much better at forcing turnovers throughout the season. I certainly hope nobody is going to argue that point. Just go look at the stats and see for yourself.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Green Bay's offense was better than New Orleans' offense in that game
more than the defense was better. And I would say each defense’s performance against other teams throughout the rest of the season would back that analysis – the Saints have a better D.
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And what about turnovers? Why doesn’t anybody want to talk about that?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, let's talk about turnovers
Rodgers has 6. Brees has 14.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
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That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 28, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
We were talking about defense, in case you missed that…
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, our defense is opportunistic as a mofo.
We know this.
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Yeah, I know, that probably wasn't a fair comment
The Packers defense does force more turnovers, but that’s at least partly due to the DBs gambling on plays (and sometimes losing). I wish they’d play more disciplined football; less turnovers, less big plays given up.
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I wish our defensive backs could catch the ball. We probably have more dropped INTs than dropped passes by WRs.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 30, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
We certainly don't have this problem
We probably have more dropped INTs than dropped passes by WRs/TEs.
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anything 25 degree and above isn't cold.
WHen you get into the low 20’s and alot lower, thats cold. If its 25+ at Lambeau it isn’t enough to hamper any good offense. Curious how Brees has done in low 20 or less? By all accts he struggles just being outside alot, cold or not. Now factor COLD as in less than 20 and I bet Brees isn’t quite soo good. Anything even close to 35 is not cold! Let see if you can recompute w/ temps less than 25!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 28, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Def
And look at this game against the Lions. While it may be above 25, the wind is going to be gusting to just above 30mph. I wonder how Brees would do in those conditions, with the wind pushing his ball around, and the wind chill making it feel like 10.
Following that logic...
How can Rodgers be more valuable than orton? Or Brees than AJ Feeley or Josh Freeman? Those arguments don’t make any sense, either. I agree with much of the article above, though.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
And later in the season...
Orton beat Rodgers.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Rodgers won his first match-up with Brees & won his first match-up with Orton.
You’re not following the logic he fist put forward; don’t act like you are.
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Oh, so only the first game against the QB counts…I see. So you’ll be just fine if Brees and the Saints come up there and win in the NFCCG, right? I mean, Rodgers won the first match-up. That is what is important according to what oyu’re saying here…
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
A split is different than winning the only match-up
If the Saints come to Lambeau & win (a big if) then we can discuss it.
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The problem is...
I don’t know how much the voters will look into the “advanced” stats like YPA or Adjusted Completion Percentage, I think the big three they will look at is yards, TD/INT, and passer rating. I think Brees has a good shot to overtake Rodgers in TDs and if he ends up leading two of the three categories I don’t think the voters will take much into context.I think they will see that Brees has however many more yards, but won’t take into account the 100 extra passes he threw to get there. I’m not trying to make a case for Brees, although I think he should be in the discussion, that’s just how I think a lot of voters may look at. Myself, I’m of the opinion that the MVP should be the best player on the best team unless someone has just an absolutely ridiculous season.
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Interceptions? Behind.
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wtf
Interceptions? Behind.
wtf
Rodgers has 6 interceptions. Brees has 11. Three of Rodgers interceptions came off his receivers fingers. Brees has 11, while 5 were while his starting OT was injured.
wtf
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I think he meant this
Passer rating? Behind. Interceptions? Behind. YPA? Behind. Interceptions? Behind. Completion percentage? Behind.
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I'm suprised you didn't rip me for comparing Brady to Rodgers.
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Interceptions? Behind.
Interceptions? Behind.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If anything the Chiefs game solidified Rodgers case for MVP
We saw how hard it is for the Packers to win without the offense and he drives the offense. He had an off day, at least for him, and the offense sputtered. The defense showed they can keep the other team out of the end zone most drives, but not be relied upon to win the game when the offense is off. And this isn’t a shot at the defense, or even trying to blame them for the loss, that’s been covered enough elsewhere. I accept the way our defense plays and am fine with it. And they have the talent to make the big plays, which they have plenty of times, but this team wins and loses with the offense.
To me that means Aaron Rodgers is clearly the MVP.
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Same.
Very well said, on the defense. I love the guys we have, and I’m fine with the way they play. I’m hoping to see a lot of Matt Flynn on Christmas, and less of Aaron Rodgers… That’s my Christmas wish.
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I don’t know why people take offense to commentators and fans having an open competition for the MVP. First the analyst and writers…this is what they are frickin paid to do! Why wouldn’t they bring up a valid discussion like this. I mean geez, you really think Rodgers is the only person they are going to discuss?
Rodgers should still be the front runner, but there is a very solid chance Brees gets some votes and if the current trend keeps up he might make it really close. Brees is on a 18 TDs to 1 INT stretch right now over the last 6 games and is just dissecting teams while Rodgers has slowed down some. That is going to affect things somewhat as the hot hand.
Don’t mistake this for me arguing for Brees but he very much deserves to be in this discussion. He’s having an incredible year and is going to break the marque QB record that hasn’t been touched for like 25 years (can you believe its been that long).
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Maybe a Christmas thrashing will help?
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by arodgb on Dec 24, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just get sick of people having the same discussion on this as if these guys are idiots for doing their job. Their job is to create stories even if there isn’t a story. Why do we waste our time telling them they are wrong when their job is to create stories and drama. Its a waste.
…and yes, Christmas thrashing would be great! :-)
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Rodgers is on a 20-3 TD:INT stretch during the same time frame
and was significantly better than Brees in the time before that…
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by sheehan on Dec 24, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Actually he’s 16:3 in the last six games, you added a seventh game into the mix.
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Over the same time frame that Brees is 18:1, Rodgers is 20:3
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ESPN
.. has the total QBR rating system and although Brees is cutting down the distance between he and Rodgers, AR still leafs that stat
I hope you just forgot the sarcasm font.
Otherwise, who cares? lol.
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by NorthStarr on Dec 25, 2011 5:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where's the rushing analysis?
Rodgers – 56 carries for 239 yards (4.3 YPA) and 3 TDs.
Brees – 19 carries for 72 yards (3.8 YPA) and 1 TD.
People like to ignore that Rodgers is a top-4 rushing QB each of the past 3 years (likely because he’s, well, white and his last name isn’t Tebow).
Since Aaron Rodgers became a starter in 2008, the only QB with more rushing yards than him is Michael Vick.
by Archibaldcrane on Dec 24, 2011 1:05 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
There are lots of good arguments back and forth
And Arron Rogers is having an incrediable season
But no running QB will ever win the MVP
It’s better to stick to the passing stats which he is leading most catagories in
With all that said I dont know how anyone can argue to keep Brees out of the discussion
He atleast deserves consideration even if he doesn’t win
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 25, 2011 5:28 AM CST up reply actions
Wrong.
It’s better to stick to the passing stats which he is leading most catagories in
It’s better to consider passing and running, along with team wins, together, as a complete package!
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by NorthStarr on Dec 25, 2011 5:47 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So if you consider passing and running
Cam Newton is the MVP
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 25, 2011 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
After all this is an individual award not a team award
And who can deny the Panthers would be 0-15 right now with out Cam
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 25, 2011 5:51 AM CST up reply actions
Value
The award is for Most Valuable Player. What better value than how much he helps his team win?
And, before you go throwing out P. Manning, it is Most Valuable Player, not Rehabber. :)
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doesn't pass well enough
Rodgers is a better passer than Brees, and on top of that he’s also a better runner, and on top of that he has a better record this year.
It’s a slam dunk, easy MVP selection
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by sheehan on Dec 25, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
…bet you its not. I’ll bet you Rodgers and Brees are a lot closer than you think it will be. Again, not saying it should be, but I think it will unless Rodgers puts up some BIG numbers tonight or next week.
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well yeah, because some writers are desperate to have a contrary opinion, so they can draw attention to themselves and feel special
but it’s not a difficult choice. If you even wanted to go a layer deeper than the raw numbers I just pointed out, it separates them even more in Rodgers’ favour – Rodgers has played this season with next to no running game, while Brees’ is one of the best in the league. Rodgers has played behind a patchwork O-line for a significant portion of the year, and without his left tackle for most of it, whereas Brees sits behind one of the best 2 or 3 pass blocking lines in the NFL (them and the Pats probably) and has all day to throw the football, while even in the best of times Green Bay’s O-line overall has never been anything more than average this season.
and lastly, Rodgers plays way more games in inclimate weather conditions (wind, cold, etc.), while Brees plays the majority of his games in a dome (at least nine of them every year, usually more, like this year) and the rest are mostly in warmer weather places like Carolina and Tampa. A lot easier to throw the ball and catch it in perfect conditions, and Brees and the offense as a whole have routinely come up smaller when placed in poor conditions.
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by sheehan on Dec 25, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Let me address those
1. He’s not a better passer Brees has a higher completion precentage
2. 13-3 is still possible for both teams so lets see how this season ends you have a lot of injuries
3.Even if he wins which he may how do you figure it’s a slam dunk
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 25, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, Brees is the dink and dunk master
Rodgers has roughly a yard more per attempt, a much more important indicator. He also has a much higer passer rating, and much better TD:INT ratio. Ergo, he is, and has been, a better passer than Brees this season.
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it's a slam dunk because it's not a close vote to anyone who's not a Saints or Pats fan
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by sheehan on Dec 25, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 25, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Adjusted completion percentage
Rodgers beats Brees in that. The Packers lead the NFL in drops, and Rodgers is third in the NFL with throwaways. Take those away, and spikes, for both quarterbacks, and Rodgers smashes Brees in completion percentage.
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Complete package
It’s better to consider passing and running, along with team wins, together, as a complete package!
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Venue
The item that is overlooked is that Rodgers’ game has now moved outdoors while Brees plays nearly weekly in ideal dome conditions or southern venues. Here’s the breakdown:
Brees wil play 11 dome games this season, compared to 3 for Rodgers. The current NFL game is vastly different in a dome, especially for a passing team. Of Brees’ five outdoor games, only one was in a northern clime, and it was the season opener in Lambeau on a perfect September night. His other outdoor games were in Tennesee, Carolina, Tampa and Jacksonville.
Along with Rodgers’ three dome games, he only played two other games in southern climes. The Packers played in Carolina and in San Diego, and it rained half the game in San Diego.
These varying conditions certainly have an impact on passing success over the course of a season. Rodgers will finish the year with two Lambeau games with temps likely around 20 degrees with wind. Brees will finish with two dome games in ideal conditions. Who do you think will throw for more yards in these games? If Rodgers played Brees’ schedule with 11 dome games and a southern outdoor schedule, don’t you think he’d be challenging Marino’s record?
As an aside, one of the best games I ever saw Favre play was a snowy late afternoon game against Cleveland. Favre threw for 168 yards in bad conditions, but he moved the chains and controlled the game. That game would never be considered one of his great games, but under the conditions it was an excellent performance. Unfortunately, game conditions won’t be considered by MVP voters; they’ll be too transfixed by numbers on a page.
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by Packer Pete on Dec 25, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Cant blame Brees because ya'll chose to play in the snow instead of being fan friendly and building a dome
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 25, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I was confused by the ignorance of your recent comments
then I saw Mississippi in your name. Questions answered.
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by sheehan on Dec 25, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Logical conclusion...
Domes are fan-friendly…
…Lambeau sells out every game. FANS AIN’T EVEN MAD.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 25, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
What kinda home field do you have that the Packers can't overcome?
Dome in the playoffs? Been there done that! Outdoors on the road in the playoffs? Been there done that too! There aint a venue in the NFL, that the Packers haven’t faced and beaten!! When’s the last time that NO has won a road playoff game in January? Need an answer? How bout NEVER!!!
End of stupidest argument ever made!!
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by Strohman on Dec 26, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If the stadium was full during the Ice Bowl, I believe you must consider that the local population sees Lambeau as fan friendly....
and the indoor/outdoor argument is the biggest one in accounting for the disparity in stats.
Brees plays the last month of the season indoors, Rodgers plays the last month outdoors in colder and windy climates. As much as Rodgers’ arm is suited for any climate due to his arm strength, the climate will alter the play calling and effectiveness no matter who plays in it. Brees has never played as well outdoors in bad weather and has done nothing this year to prove otherwise. His last game outdoors against TN was supposed to answer the question of whether the Saints had overcome their outdoor-challenged stereotype, and though they won, they struggled to score.
Either way, I think Rodgers is the MVP, especially after this week. And I also don’t want to see the Saints in the playoffs because, no matter how much they struggle outdoors in bad weather, they are still the Saints with Brees at QB.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 26, 2011 4:39 AM CST up reply actions
Green Bay could go 0-16 for 10 straight years and that unfriendly stadium would still be full 16 times a year
can’t say the same about your fan-friendly dome.
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*8 times a year. My bad.
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We don't wanna play in a dump!!!
We wanna play football the way football was MEANT to be played! OUTSIDE!
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by Strohman on Dec 30, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t think you give the actual voters enough credit. These are guys who are paid to analyse football, not some rube fans.
Keep in mind, Marino played in the nice sunny weather of Miami for most of his games too. :-)
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Favre won 3 consecutive MVP's playing in the same weather!
I know Rodgers numbers will be hurt to some degree, but anyone who watches knows Rodgers is the Slam Dunk MVP this year. He leads a prolific offense, is prolific himself, not to mention very efficient and is the Best player on the Best team in the NFL. I don’t think it’ll be all that close…
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by Strohman on Dec 25, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
On a seperate topic
Stroh, I gotta give you huge props. Remember when you compared Ahman Green to Adrian Peterson and the Vikes fans thought you were crazy? Well, guess what happened to AP… AP was better, but their stats aren’t much different, when you look at it. Granted, Green played behind Brett Favre, but still… You were right, I was wrong. lol.
[If you don’t remember that particular conversation, then forget everything I just said]
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I think we're all forgetting the most important stat of all...
How many come from behind wins has Rodgers led his team to? He sure didn’t do it tonight.
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by Charlie Kelly on Dec 25, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
come from behind lots of times
just doesn’t have to wait for the fourth quarter when teams go into prevent D with the lead.
I understand that you’re joking though
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by TrevorR on Dec 26, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Statement made...
Rodgers just buried Brees last night with that performance over the tough Bears D outdoors in only three quarters of play! That was a masterful rebound performance after a couple of just average games. Nice work Rodgers, the award is yours.
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by TrevorR on Dec 26, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Stupid sbnation polls
94% to 5% =/= 100%, Tebow damn it!
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I voted for Eli
Because I can yell louder than everyone
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
The only people outside GB that believe Rogers is the mvp
Are the brain washed media like skip bayless and a few others
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 27, 2011 1:03 PM CST reply actions
Skip Bayless?
Why would he vote for Shaun Rogers?
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by Wiedmann on Dec 27, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
do they even have schools in Mississippi?
do you even know what you’re writing or are you just hitting random letters on the keyboard?
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I was unaware
that Skip Clueless was a fan of Rogers. Or Aaron Rodgers, for that matter.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Dec 27, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I’d feel bad if Brees took it this year after having lived through Peyton Manning stealing it from Brees a couple of years ago…
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
yeah there's no doubt Brees was the true MVP that year
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by sheehan on Dec 28, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm starting to think it's more of a possibility
Lotta people coming out and saying they’ll vote for him. At least Brees is about the classiest guy you can lose to, though.
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There’s no way Brady gets it…and no way he even comes close to second. Rodgers will win it easily, with Brees in second and Brady in a distant third. At least if the vote is going to be credible.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:48 AM CST up reply actions
And then there's this
At least if the vote is going to be credible.
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"Aaron Rodgers may have thrown 5 TD passes last week against a division rival....
but he didn’t throw for 300 yards. I would take Rex Grossman over Rodgers any week."
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 30, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Nope but it wasn't hard to invent something plausible....
pretty much anything that can be formulated by defecating into your hand and throwing it against the wall will work.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 31, 2011 2:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice post over on our site if you are so inclined
Full props to Jimbo03 for posting this on CSC. A sane man amongst all the nervous nellies.
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