Several reasons why Brees' Record should have an asterix on it.
by Nels Winkler on Dec 27, 2011 7:16 AM CST
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PrintFor starters, this accomplishment is a great one. To break a record that lasted for 27 years is a fantastic feat, however, in this case, it is somewhat tarnished to me.
1. Over half of his games are in passing friendly domes. There are no variances to consider. No wind, no weather, no nothing. 11/16 games in New Orleans and other places.
2. The extreme pass first tendancy of the league now a days where 2 players, Brees and Brady should break that number. Sound a little like Sosa / McGuire a bit? I'm not saying they're juicing, just that the rules are stacked on their sides.
3. 4 massive blowouts where they just kept throwing the ball.62-7? If Green Bay was up 35-7, bet your bottom dollar Rodgers is sitting the last 1.5 quarters.
4. Rodgers has sat for at least 6 quarters this season. If Rodgers had an arrogant ass of a coach such as Sean Peyton who enjoys running up scores on people, I'd have Rodgers at around 5,150 yards with 50 TD's and only 7 ints.
In this consideration, Brees wouldn't even be considered in the conversation of for MVP, and very certainly wouldn't have Marino's passing record. but with four less TD's and 7 more interceptions, people are saying he's in consideration for the MVP?
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Attempts
622 for Brees
502 for Rodgers
564 for Marino
What would Rodgers do with 120 attempts?
Considering that is a little more than 25%,Rodgers yds would be around 5700 and 56 TDs
That in it self clarifies the body of work Rodgers has done weekly and consistantly.
Thats the real kicker for me.
Brees has more attempts than any other QB. Any good QB should be getting ridiculous yardage totals with 42 attempts per game. But yet every analyst on TV just skips over the attempts numbers
What is surprising though is his completion percentage. To put the ball up in the air 42 times per game and have a completion percentage of over 70% is great. A few factors contribute to this, such as playing in a dome, playing in a passer friendly era, and throwing a lot of short passes. But that is still a great percentage.
This
This is the real issue, for those arguing you shouldn’t putt an asterisk on Brees’ record. Brees has been very obviously trying for the record all season long. Brees was still passing against the Colts late in the 3rd quarter with a 5 score lead. Monday night, he was still passing against the Falcons late in the 4th quarter with a 3 score lead.
What would Rodgers do with 120 attempts?
622 attempts x 9.2 yards/attempt = projected 5722.4 yards passing. With one game to go. So… asterisk? Yeah.
by DaveInTucson on Dec 27, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Something was mentioned by Hugh Douglas last week that I agree with...
Back in Marino’s day, your coverage personnel were allowed a lot more physical play and the margin for what is considered contact incidental to the play was a lot broader. So Dan Marino was forced to thread the needle a lot more because receivers would have someone really putting a body on them.
It’s a pass friendly league, so not too unlikely that that record could be easily broken again.
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I don't think there should be an asterisk...
because, as you said with the baseball analogy, I don’t think he’s juiced up. I don’t think playing in a dome is cause for it, even though there is an advantage to throwing indoors, and as are the rules. But I do think it’s going to make people appreciate even more what Marino did.
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meh...
I always though you could say the same for OJ Simpson’s record (2,003 yards in 14 games). Nobody talks about asterisks with him. Guess it’s because his off-the-field habits are unpopular…
You could probably nit-pick half the records out there.
Second time Brees having gone over 5k. It’s legit, it’s his record.
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Dec 27, 2011 12:34 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I don’t think there should be an asterisk. He’s got a shit load of attemtps but he’s also completing over 70% of his passes. I don’t really like when teams run it up either but it is the NFL. I don’t think the Saints ran the score up this season nearly as much as the Pats did in 2007.
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by packallday555 on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
Who gives a flying crap how many attempts he had? He’s playing at a very very high level.
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Exactly
I mean, yeah, if Rodgers had as many attempts he probably would have set the single season passing yards record so high that nobody would ever come close to sniffing it — but he didn’t.
I think people wanna talk about asteriks because they don’t wanna see anybody but Rodgers getting hype.
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by packallday555 on Dec 29, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
This.
IMO, you can praise Brees and it doesn’t take away from Rodgers…heck they are both having pretty damn awesome seasons. Just imagine if Rodgers wasn’t doing something like what he is…Brees’ season would have been a monster one.
You can praise Brees and still think Rodgers is better.
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Exactly
Personally, I think they are the top two QBs this season and will be for the foreseeable future. It is nice to see two good guys on good teams battling it out like this.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 30, 2011 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
when did either of those guys become villains?
I hate their teams, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with either of them individually…
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And 1 reason it shouldn't have an asterix
Because no matter what people think this isn’t pee wee football
Defenses get paid to stop the passing game also
Every team we played this year including the Pack gave up large amounts of passing yards to us
So if team has a problem then their defense needs to step up
It’s not our job to run the game clock out and sit our starters
And Marino played in some pretty good weather year around down in miami it’s not like he did it in the snow during the winter
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 27, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions
In Brees' defense
he did this without a full WR compliment for the year. Colston missed half the season and Moore missed a few too. Personally, I think it’s awesome, but I just don’t see this being a record that could be sustained as long as Marino had it. Heck, Brees could even top it next year!
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I agree it wont be a record for long
I wouldnt be surprised to see a 6000 yard passer and expect one if we ever go to 18 games
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 27, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I hope we never have a 18 game season
That being said 5500 yard is be the next bench mark and I wouldn’t be surprised if somone gets there in less than 5 years..
Agreed
I hate hearing people complaining about running up the score. Why should the winning team stop trying just because the other team has?
by Charlie Kelly on Dec 27, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the record is even a big deal
the only reason he has it is because he has a coach who continues to call passes when he has 20+ point leads in the fourth quarter of games. If McCarthy did the same thing, Rodgers would have obliterated the record.
Not saying it’s wrong of him to do that though. It’s pro sports, if you don’t like having the score run up on you, play better. It’s just a different way of doing things, like when Belichick goes for it on 4th down with a 45-7 lead.
Green Bay doesn’t do these things, and that’s why their QB isn’t setting volume records like passing yards. They also don’t repeatedly throw dink and dunk passes and swing passes, which is why he isn’t setting completion percentage marks (though he still might be if the receivers didn’t have a bad bout of the drops most of the season).
What he is doing is setting/challenging efficiency records, like passer rating, yards per attempt, and TD:INT ratio, which are much more important indicators of success at the position.
If you asked McCarthy or Rodgers about setting individual records, neither of them cares whatsoever, it’s always only about winning games. If you ask Sean Payton and Drew Brees? That record was the only thing they were gunning for last night. Different strokes, nothing necessarily wrong with either as long as team results come along with the individual results (which they have in New Orleans).
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by sheehan on Dec 27, 2011 2:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The only thing they were gunning for? Gee, I would think that keeping pace for the second seed and winning the division might be some other things they were playing for, but that’s just me…
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 27, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
when the game was 38-16 with five minutes left? They weren't playing against the Tebows
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bq.That record was the only thing they were gunning for last night.
If you are clarifying this with that last statement, then I’ll agree with you. On the last drive, they were going for the record. Given that we are still in the running for the second seed, it is best to get that done with and get rid of the distraction it would be during this week.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
Asterisk?
That’s a load of whiny bullshit IMO. Record’s a record, he’s smoking it fair and square and in 1 fewer game.
It’s just not the be-all-end-all of QB performance. Hell, Brees had a higher passer rating on the season a few years ago when he set the completion percentage mark than he does this year, even though he has an even higher completion percentage this season and is breaking the all-time passing mark.
Basically it’s like this, 5087 passing yards is quite the accomplishment – but on the other hand, Aaron Rodgers.
I thought marino
did it in 14 games so 1 fewer (I agree with your general premise though).
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Dec 27, 2011 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought marino
did it in 14 games so 1 fewer (I agree with your general premise though).
No, it was broken the last game he played before the post season
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Nope
But he did it in 58 less passes. Yardage is a far less important statistic than YPA, in which Marino was better by .8 yards per attempt, which is pretty significant.
So 3-4 extra passes a game…whoopedy do!
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Actually
6 passes more a game. And in a 16 game season, it come out to be 96 more passes in a season. Is 96 more passes irrelevant? Bree’s got that record by putting the ball in the air more than any else, and not by being the best QB.
This is why yardage totals are a nice number to look at, but are not all that useful. The far more useful stats are YPA, completion percentage, TD-INT ratio, TD percentage, and INT percentage. Which leads us to passer rating. Which Rodgers currently has the highest passer rating in a single season, and career.
And when we look at the MVP debate, Rodgers success on the ground has to be counted along with the passing stats. Its part of his game, as part of Bree’s game is passing the ball 40+ times every game.
Thats kind of grasping at straws trying to begrudge the man his record
We Saints fans will gladly take Brees over anyone
And if Rogers gets the MVP we wont write an article about it say it should have an asterix next to it
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Grasping at straws?
Bree’s passes the ball more times than anyone else, he was bound to get that record eventually. How is that grasping at straws? And I never once said that he should have an asterisk next to his record, its his, fair and square. I just want people to know that he passed the ball 50 more times than Marino to get it, which equates to more than one extra game. What should be mentioned, besides the passing record, is his completion percentage; which I believe will be a new record if it remains where it is. That is an amazing completion percentage.
Does the completion percentage deserve an asterisk next to it? Still no. But people should know the system he played in, the era he played in, and the weather he played in.
Agreed
I think his completion percentage record is much more impressive than the yards record.
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definitely
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Exactly! What a bunch of whiney aholes in here. If Rodgers was in same position I guaran-frickin-tee you everyone in here would be praising how he did it in only 15 games and blah blah blah. This is just a stupid, ridiculous thread to even have on a Packer website.
Brees is going to destroy the record…probably by like 300 yards or more. A record is a record. An asterisk is for instances where there is cheating (a la Barry Bonds).
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Saints Fan Here...A Few Thoughts
And by a few, I mean several.
Does Brees throw it a lot? Yes, it some situations more than I would like. Does he still throw it when we are clearly going to win the game? Yes, but every team does this sometimes. Anyone who thinks that their team is the holiest in the league and never scores when they are already up by a megaton is just naive. Is there any reason for Aaron Rodgers to be throwing TD passes when up 42-17 against Denver midway through the 4th quarter? Or for Drew Brees to be throwing when up 35-7 in the 3rd quarter against the Colts?
Yes, there is. It’s called playing the game. If you don’t like it, then do something about it. Now, there is a bit of a difference when it’s something like 4th and 8 and you’re going for it on your opponents’ 25 (just kick the damn field goal) as opposed to trying to score on say, I dunno, 1st and 10 at your opponents’ 33 when you’re 30 yards away from breaking a single-season record. Obviously, I’m referring to the Saints going for the record. Why is it so bad for us to keep Brees in and to try to keep scoring? The Falcons had literally just had a drive with Matt Ryan in the game going for it on 4th down. They’re trying to score, why can’t we? If you’re a hockey player who is one goal away from the single season record for goals in the final game of the regular season, and the other team pulls their goalie in the last minute of the game, wouldn’t you score in the empty net if you could. Or would you just skate by the empty net and tell yourself “Oh, that wouldn’t be very nice because apparently the other team is made up of a bunch of 12 year-olds.”
Then there’s the whole “Rodgers would break the record if he threw 120 more times…” thing. No one is denying that Rodgers is more efficient. However, the reason Rodgers doesn’t throw more isn’t “OmGz Drw Brrese and shern peyton ran up da score.” It’s because the Packers only need Rodgers to throw it 33 times to get the yardage and points that they need to win the game. The Packers D is really good at forcing turnovers and giving Rodgers better field position. Shorter field means fewer passes and fewer yards, and more points. The Saints, in most games, need Brees to throw a lot to build up a lead. YPA is a good indicator of success, but that doesn’t mean its the only one. You can make the same arguments with Rushing YPA. In 2010, Jamaal Charles ran for 1467 yards with 6.4 YPA. In 1984, Eric Dickerson ran for 2105 yards with 5.6 YPA. Please, someone tell me that Jamaal Charles’ 2010 was better than Eric Dickerson’s 1984.
Nobody is saying that Brees is having a better season than Rodgers (if you are, just stop it). Rodgers is the MVP without a doubt. He has more TDs, fewer Ints, and his team has 14 wins. That being said, to have to throw 41 times a game and still have a 70.7% completion rate and to break the passing yardage record is pretty damn impressive. You can’t ‘dink and dunk’ to over 5000, I’m sorry. He is throwing the ball as well as anyone.
One last thing.
“If you asked McCarthy or Rodgers about setting individual records, neither of them cares whatsoever, it’s always only about winning games. If you ask Sean Payton and Drew Brees? That record was the only thing they were gunning for last night.”
Child, please.
once the game was in hand (almost the entire second half), the only thing they were gunning for was the record
listen to their postgame interviews.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
You make it sound like their mindset coming into the game was to get the record. Their goal was to win the game. Once Brees was 30 yards away? I would definitely agree that, at that point, they were going for the record. Who wouldn’t? Also, you say that McCarthy and Rodgers don’t care about records? Not true. They, like Brees and Payton, want to win every game. That is always the top priority. However, to say that they don’t care at all about records? They care. Every athlete/coach cares. They obviously were going to go for 16-0 if they hadn’t lost to the Chiefs, and I wouldn’t blame them. i like it when a team is aggressive and goes for milestones.
by JellyPhantom on Dec 27, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The 16-0 is definitely a good point since Woodson was talking about it when y’all were 9-0. And McCarthy said that when you get past week 12 or so, then that comes into play.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 27, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Team accomplishment ≠ individual accomplishment
Winning all your games guarantees you’ve won your division. Setting the all-time passing record guarantees nothing. Not a good point at all.
They clearly do not care about individual records, or else Rodgers wouldn’t have been pulled in the 3rd quarter of a game. He could have easily set the TDs (and probably yards) record if McCarthy wanted him to.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 27, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Team accomplishment ≠ individual accomplishment
Winning all your games guarantees you’ve won your division. Setting the all-time passing record guarantees nothing. Not a good point at all.
Makes sense Wiedmann. I will say this. When my Saints went into the game last night. Their “First” objective was to win the game and go for the record second.
Then once the game was in our control, they took the opportunity to break the record. And I have no doubt at all Rodgers could have done it. Old League, New League. Passing over 5,000 yards twice in your career is one hell of an accomplishment.
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I'm not trying to take anything away from Brees, he's had a great season.
I’m just saying that McCarthy appears to not care about individual accomplishments as much as Payton.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 27, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
that's what I was trying to say in the first place
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Exactly.
Brees has had a great season and that shouldn’t be taken away from him. But Rodgers is pulled fairly early in games when Brees is kept in longer, boosting his stats. It’s as a simple as that.
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by Celtin on Dec 28, 2011 2:04 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Go look through Payton’s tenure with the Saints and you’ll see why he doesn’t pull Brees earlier. It is the difference between the past 3 seasons and the 3 before them…he doesn’t take the lead for granted.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Brees was pulled in the 3rd quarter against the Colts. He got his 5 TDs in under 3 quarters of play and could have extended his record of 4 consecutive games with at least 350 yards. He was also pulled early in the game against Minnesota.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions
"pulled in the 3rd quarter"
Yeah, I guess technically it was the 3rd quarter, but there was :24 left in the 3rd, so really, for all intents & purposes, it was the 4th. It was 34-7 at halftime against a winless Colts team; that’s probably when he should have been pulled, not after playing nearly the full 3rd quarter where the Saints passed more than ran & the score was 48-7 when Brees was pulled.
Also, I wouldn’t consider under 12 minutes in the 4th “early” in a 42-13 game.
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Because nobody has ever come back in games like that, right? So why did Rodgers throw a TD with 10:59 against the Vikings when y’all were up 31-7 already? I don’t have a problem with it, but apparently you would, right? Or you’re just being inconsistent, maybe?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
No team has ever come back from 34 points down
but that didn’t stop the Saints from sending Brees out there for another drive after leading 41-7. I think the winless Colts were more than buried down 27, also.
Rodgers probably should have been pulled a little earlier, but I really don’t think that’s much of a comparison. A 50 year division rival a year removed from stealing our legend QB is not the same as a match-up against a winless team where there were only 10 reg season games between the two teams.
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And no team ever came back from a 32 point deficit before Buffalo beat Houston in the playoffs in 1993.
And apparently you don’t know much about the whole history of the Mannings and New Orleans. One thing I will tell you many people believe that part of Peyton’s decision to go back to Tennessee for his senior season was his dad telling him he didn’t want him to wind up with the Saints.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Really? Damn.
Although I guess Archie didn’t have too many fond memories in the early ’70’s.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
probably doesn't have many memories at all
if you know what I mean
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Disagree with this
However, to say that they don’t care at all about records? They care. Every athlete/coach cares.
Completely disagree. As a player, the only record I care about is keeping that winning streak going, and having our team written in the books as the champ for that season. The other stuff? That’s nice, but it is simply toppings for the cake.
They obviously were going to go for 16-0 if they hadn’t lost to the Chiefs
We don’t actually know that. Mike was not going to talk about 16-0 until we had home field locked up. We can infer what would have happened based off of what players were saying, but we can’t say they were obviously going for 16-0. You are inferring and assuming.
I have a feeling McCarthy was distinctly NOT going for 16-0
Look at the way he called the KC game; it’s almost like he was trying to lose it. He wanted the team to know “yeah, we beat them in the preseason with our back-ups, but the margin between winning & losing is razor-thin.”
Maybe he wasn’t playing to lose, but he certainly was giving the team few advantages.
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really? LOL
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by TrevorR on Dec 28, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It seemed a little too vanilla.
Maybe I’m wrong, but, to me, it was McCarthy knocking his own team down a peg to re-focus them.
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Interesting opinion, but...
McCarthy intentionally putting his team at a disadvantage is a pretty difficult scenario to imagine.
by Generic Fan on Dec 28, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What's the disadvantage?
It’s a meaningless game against a non-conference foe.
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It wasn’t meaningless at the time…San Francisco was still in the running for the #1 seed.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
it was definitely a very vanilla gameplan
but I wouldn’t say he was trying not to win, he probably thought they could win easily anyway without revealing too much.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Yea so whats the problem
This is the NFL not pee wee football if the Falcons didnt like it their defence should have manned-up
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 27, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Your name reminds that
This is the home of Vince Lombardi
One of the toughest coaches of all time
Do you think he would be whinning about this and condeming it?
I doubt it
He would have had his team ready to play and challenged/demanded his team to stop Brees and the Saints
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 27, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
He would have had his team ready to play and challenged/demanded his team to stop Brees and the Saints
Lombardi was one tough MOFO.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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I never said there was a problem with it
can you read?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I didn't know our running game was so much better than yours...
It’s because the Packers only need Rodgers to throw it 33 times to get the yardage and points that they need to win the game.
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but the Saints do not need Brees to throw as many passes as he does. It’s ridiculous to suggest that.
Comparing Dickerson to Charles is a little different than comparing Brees to Marino. A more apt comparison would be ’97 Sanders:
’97 Sanders: 335 att; 2053 yards; 6.13 ypc
’84 Dickerson: 379 att; 2105 yards; 5.55 ypc
44 more attempts; 52 more yards
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You are conflating two separate issues
1. I would agree, Brees passing record is legitimate. If the Colts, or Falcons, or whoever didn’t want their defense to be passed on, they should’ve sent somebody out there who could get a stop.
2. However, when it comes to the MVP discussion, the issue of (to be blunt) garbage time stat padding becomes a topic worth discussing.
Brees has worked his way to the top of a list on what had been one of the longest-standing passing records in the NFL. Doens’t make him MVP, though.
by DaveInTucson on Dec 27, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
I said this towards the end of my rant. Brees is not MVP.
by JellyPhantom on Dec 28, 2011 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is valid.
I love that he broke the record, you get 16 games to do it. But when it comes to MVP discussion, it should be noted that much of Rodgers stats are skewed after being pulled early in games.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 28, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
and even when he's not pulled, McCarthy goes uber-conservative when they have a two+ score second half lead most of the time
football does not build character, it reveals character.
So if Rogers wins MVP should we put an asterix and note
Brees had more yards
And a higher completion percentage(that should be a new record this year also)
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
no because those neither of those stats are as important as YPA, passer rating, or TD:INT ratio, and Rodgers blows Brees out of the water in all three
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Thats yours and Packer fans opinions
I think completion percentage is extremly important
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
then you really don't know football and aren't well equipped to be having this conversation
football does not build character, it reveals character.
sorry, that sounds too harsh
I mean to say that you don’t know football well enough, if you really believe what you just typed, to be having this conversation
football does not build character, it reveals character.
also, Brees throws a ridiculous number of dink and dunk passes which skew that number
his completion percentage on balls 20+ yards downfield, the most difficult throws, is only 49%.
Aaron Rodgers’ completion percentage on those passes? over 64%. So his completion percentage on ball more than 20 yards down the field, is actually higher than the overall completion percentages of all but a handful of QBs.
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It is important but Rodgers is like what, a percentage point away from Brees right?
Brees has been great but Rodgers has been unreal. He’s most likely going to have the highest passer rating in a single season of all time, had a ridiculous TD:INT ratio, and most of all led the team to a 14/15 win season. I honestly think he’s had the best year a QB has ever had. Ever.
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by packallday555 on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if he misses the QB rating, he’s still had one of the best QB seasons ever.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 30, 2011 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
Why don't you
Also note his record, and that he beat Bree’s earlier. Also, include in there that he leads the NFL in YPA and passer rating, which will also be a new record. Why don’t you also include the strength of NO OL and their running game, as well as that Bree’s has passed for 100 more times than Rodgers?
Out of the important stats, completion percentage, YPA, passer rating, TD-INT ratio, and TD/INT percentage, Rodgers has Bree’s beat in all but one. Include that too, will you? And for Bree’s completion percentage, did you know that 50+ percent of Bree’s passes are caught by RB’s and TE’s? Now, that number is skewed somewhat by Jimmy Graham, but that is still a much larger than expected percentage. And this is reflected by his 8ypa; that he passes the ball short more than pushing it deep. His completion percentage is helped by him passing the ball short as well.
For future reference
the possessive of Brees is Brees’ not Bree’s.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If you want to put an asterisk on every MVP
that didn’t lead the league in every relevant statistic for his position, sure, we can do that.
Quick quiz: how many MVPs would not have an asterisk under that rule?
by DaveInTucson on Dec 28, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
LOL......................................
Did anywhere I say that Brees record should have an asterisks next to it?
Seriously, read the damn post you are going to reply to before posting…
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 28, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd say this post sounds like sour grapes but
I don’t know why a Packer fan would be upset about Brees getting the record, very odd
1. you can’t blame a QB where he plays
2. you can’t blame Brees for the NFL making the rules easier to pass
3. Wasn’t the year the Pats set the single season record for points, Mike and Mike had a big fight about it, Golic won by pointing out it’s not up to the winning team to take the foot off the gas and it would be more of an insult if they did.
4. With the great season the Packers are having it sounds like your pissed about Brees taking some of the spotlight away from your team and Rogers? is that why your pissed Brees broke the record…?
Totally agree...dont know why any Packer fan would fee this way
Fact remains that the rules are the same for ALL active QBs today. They all have the same chance as Brees to break that record. Also, this season is not a fluke for Brees – he has been playing at a very high level for a long time now. He totally deserves this record.
by LombardiBackToGB on Dec 27, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
You have to understand
that it’s a bit frustrating that people are trying to hype Brees or Brady as the MVP this year, given that Rodgers is having by some measures the greatest QB season of all time – but that being said there’s no reason to dump on Brees for breaking a 27-year-old record in 15 games.
But just remember, Aaron Rodgers is breaking a record much older than 27 years – that of “Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt” – and he’s smoking it.
64 year old records fall by the wayside when Rodgers is in town.
by Archibaldcrane on Dec 27, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea right when i look in the sports page
Adjusted passing yards per attempt is the stat that sticks out to me
I would have to say this is a stat some computer geek invented in the last 20 years
and pro-rated back to encompass QB’s from the past
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Just because it means nothing to you doesn't mean it's meaningless
It’s not a computer geek stat, either. It eliminates throws that never meant to be completed (throw-aways/spikes, etc). It’s an efficiency stat that is modified to give a true ’Yards per attempt", which is immensely more meaningful that a volume stat like yards.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was just looking for a more important stat that had a longer lineage than passer rating
but yeah he’s likely breaking the passer rating stat too.
by Archibaldcrane on Dec 28, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Who's Rogers?
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by Wiedmann on Dec 27, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rogers plays on Brees' team
why would we want him to get more attention?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
it's only because some ignorant people think that means Brees is the MVP and a better QB
neither of which is true
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I've got nothing against Brees and the saints.
I like them a lot actually. However, I think that Marino should still have the true record until someone who doesn’t play in a hermetically sealed vault breaks the record. If Marino was in a dome that much, he’d have 30 yards more a game no doubt.
by Nels Winkler on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
So with your thinking no player or team should ever have an advantage
Does that mean your willing to move the NFC championship game if its -20 degrees and snowing because the Saints dont usually play in that weather neither do the 49ers incase you think in being presumtious
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
You realize that would also benefit Rodgers, right?
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this is silly logic, you play where you play
if that’s the case, Marino would have to have an asterisk for playing his games in Miami when a guy like Jim Kelly had to play in probably the coldest, windiest stadium in the NFL.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
FTFY:
You play where you play unless you are Eli Manning or Steve Young
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Uh, Elway?
That guy was the first to be a whiny bitch about where he was drafted.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And there were people before him. But I wasn't about to go make a comprehensive list.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I don't think so
He was the first to demand a trade, at least that I know of.
“I’ll go play baseball, instead, because I’m a little bitch.”
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
can't stand Elway
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Dec 28, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
...
Drafted by the Bills, wanted more money so joined the CFL for 3 years. Bills still had his rights when he returned in 1982 after the Browns traded their first round pick in 1983 (turned out to be Jim Kelly) for him.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
wanted more money
not the same as ‘I just plain don’t wanna play for that team/in that city’.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Exactly
greedy≠bitchy
Elway wasn’t refusing to play in Baltimore due to money, it was because he was an arrogant chode who thought he was better than Baltimore and belonged on a better team than the Colts had at the time.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 29, 2011 2:11 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Of course they are different.
We weren’t differentiating in the first posts, though. They both demanded trades.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
No they didn't
He eventually did get traded, but not because he demanded it.
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lol
Looks like Daddy Archie is going to decide where Andrew Luck plays, too.
Fuck the Mannings.
by mike_o on Dec 28, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck the Mannings.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Steve Young doesn't belong on that list
The Bucs willingly traded him away because they thought he was a bust.
by DaveInTucson on Dec 28, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda odd post imo.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 27, 2011 5:13 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, I mean we've got the #1 seed, and our QB is kind of good, too.
The Saints might still end up playing on wild-card weekend, anyway, despite the passing yardage record for Brees.
Sorry, can't agree with you
despite the differences in the environment Marino played in vs. that of Brees, Brees’ season has been nothing short of stupendous. If Rodgers was slightly less than excellent, there would be a serious battle for MVP.
Brees deserves the record. He and the 2011 Saints earned it.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Dec 27, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
One reason why there should not be an asterix
He broke the record with one game still left.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
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by Zundar on Dec 27, 2011 6:32 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
One other reason why there should not be an asterix
There’s no such as an asterix.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 27, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Is that a fact?
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by Wiedmann on Dec 27, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Wow haven't seen that character since I was a kid
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Rec'd both you guys
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
No asterisk, but...
A great accomplishment, couldn’t happen to a classier guy. Ton of respect for Drew Brees. Congrats on the great season.
The way it was accomplished has turned many fans off, including myself. No reason to do it that way. 3 mins to go, it was time to run the clock and put the game to bed. Can’t say that they wanted to accomplish the feat in front of their own fans, cause Saints got another home game coming. An important game for that matter, cause the Saints are still fighting for a bye and Brees would have clinched the record on the first drive next Sunday. A lot classier. The way it was broken, it felt like Strahan’s sack record. Not saying that Brees and Strahan didn’t deserve the records, but there is a classier way to achieve them.
I respect Sean Payton a lot but I put this mini snafu on him. He has rubbed one too many fans the wrong way this year, notably in the Colts and Giants games and last night. Unless Brees is on his fantasy team, these offensive outbursts with the game dead are uncalled for. I don’t agree that there are no unwritten rules in an NFL game. There’s certain circumstances when the game is out of hand that you call the dogs. Classy competitors don’t beat up a dead horse. Cause next time the dead horse could be you.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 27, 2011 11:40 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Tell me if the packers had a chance to humiliate the Bears on monday night football and set a record you wouldn't?
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 5:02 AM CST up reply actions
Well, you just saw it
Against the Bears, the Pack sat Rodgers with the game sewn up just last Sunday Night Football. He could have easily thrown a pair of TDs with the time left, as he would have done in many games all season. Brady’s 50 TD record would have been obliterated if MM had the mentality of Sean Peyton.
A record or milestone should be the by-product of excellence rather than the reason for it.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 28, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Payton pulled Brees in the third quarter of the Colts game when he could have extended his 350 yard game NFL record streak. He also pulled him in the Vikings game. Just wanted to clear that up before you try to say that there is no way Payton would ever pull Brees…as is implied in what you’re saying.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Do you think that maybe Payton didn’t want any distractions heading into this game against Carolina? Carolina is a dangerous team, as you very well know from your game earlier this season. So why make the game any harder by allowing this to linger all week? Just something to think about…
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
SP seems more concerned with Brady passing Brees than winning against Carolina
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=Ag6gWCSsiHrEdjmT2csmtg5nYcB?slug=ap-saints-breesfinish
I would be curious to see if Brees sits in the fourth quarter withe the game out of hand and Brady happens to pass him. Chances are that SP will bring Brees back for more. Can’t let Brady take the record away, right?
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 28, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Did you read that whole article?
If you did, you’d notice the references to what happened last season and that Payton is mindful of that heading into this game. Anybody else read this article and get the same idea as Rodgers_for_MVP?
I’d say that the starters play the first half and then Payton will check the Niners-Rams score. If the Rams are leading or close, the starters will stay in the game until either the Niners close out the game or the Saints have a comfortable lead.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
We'll see
I think he’ll be more concerned with what happens at Gillette stadium =)
Speaking of running up the score and chasing records, Belichick seems to be just like him. He’d want his boy on the top of that list, no matter what the score or circumstances. This is the same guy who in 2007 had Brady throw at will with the score of 49-7.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 28, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So then you don’t agree with the article that you linked? If you don’t like Payton and think that is his only motivation, just come out and say it…but you shouldn’t hide behind an article that doesn’t even support what you’re saying.
And as I replied to you earlier, Payton has pulled Brees from games this season.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
You will never understand the Saints fans mentality
They were the doormat of the NFL for many years lots of teams have run up the score on us
We have a team and coach that plays till the final whistle not a team that takes a lead and tries to run out the clock hoping we hold onto the lead
You will never get an apology from a Saints fan for running up the score on anyone
And you will never see one complain that another team ran up the score on us
This is the NFL which means Not For Long if you cant win and put teams away
I would rather have a coach with a killer instinct then a timid one
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
Me too
I would rather have a coach with a killer instinct then a timid one
I would prefer that Sean Payton was the Packers coach rather than McCarthy.
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Lol nooooo.
McCarthy is a better coach, but I would prefer that he had more of the killer instinct that Payton has, yes. Aside from that though, I’d say he’s already a better coach.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Dec 28, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it's my opinion that he's a better coach, I don't feel a need to give an explanation
I’d rather have him as my team’s coach than Sean Payton, and I’d rather have Bill Belichick than either of them.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
well yeah, because you blindly hate everything about the Patriots
most fair minded football people share the general consensus that Belichick is the best coach in the NFL and I happen to agree, even though I think he’s a big ol’ bag of douche.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
most fair minded football people share the general consensus that Belichick is the best coach in the NFL and I happen to agree, even though I think he’s a big ol’ bag of douche.
Sean Payton and Belichick are the best offensive minded coaches in the league as well
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McCarthy is at least as good of an offensive mind as either
Belichick is a cut above because he’s known as a great defensive coach as well, though he’s had to make do with a complete dearth of defensive talent in recent years (aside from Wilfork and Mayo)
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Agreed. And McCarthy has put together a solid offense.
I was watching ESPN earlier and the analysts were discussion Saints and Packers offenses how they are both identical in a lot of ways. Rodgers has the stronger arm, however Brees can throw a deep ball very well too.
They mentioned both teams match up perfectly.
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yeah they are very similar in that they spread the field with 4/5 wide sets frequently in shotgun, and rely almost entirely on their QBs
most significant difference I see in style is that the Packers throw down the field a lot more, which probably has to do with Rodgers having a stronger arm, whereas the Saints throw a ton of swings, screens, and other short routes to take advantage of guys like Sproles and Moore who can get mad YAC
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Yeah they spread it around alot. And I love when Brees does play action and hit’s deep Meachem Colston or Henderson for a long gain or a TD. He can do it all as well. He doesn’t have a weak arm by any means, but not a strong arm like Rodgers.
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no I wasn't implying that he did
he still throws a real nice deep ball, something Matty Checkdown should take notes on… Yeah that seems to be their M.O. though, spread it out and hit you with a bunch of short/intermediate passes and work in the running game a bit, then go big downfield to Meachem/Henderson off play action… When you have a QB that’s as precise and quick with his reads as Brees is when he’s on, that can be unstoppable.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Well said Sheehan. Good stuff. I hope we do meet each other in the NFCCG. We’re just taking one game at a time. All playoff games even wildcard are tough.
You guys were 10-6 and barely made it in last season. What matters, is you guys got hot in the playoffs. Any team, even a 9-7 team is capable of that.
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It's about matchups & who's playing the best when the playoffs start
I disagree that the Packers “got hot” last year. Sure, they were 10-6, but they did something no other team has done in the Super Bowl era: go an entire season & never trail by more than 7 points.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You guys were good last year no doubt. What I meant is: when you got in the playoffs, you simply steamrolled everyone in your path. It started at the GA. Dome and there was no stopping
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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yup, when a team gets hot at this point in the year it's tough to stop
but at the same time, the talent to do it has to be there. Like, when I look at, say, Atlanta, or San Fran, or Cincy if they get in, I don’t consider them much of threat to become that hot, unstoppable team, because they don’t have the same type of talent as teams like Green Bay, New Orleans, or even the Giants
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Dec 30, 2011 1:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with you there. Funny thing regarding the Giants. They’re either hot or cold. Not much in between. A dangerous team when they’re hot.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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That's why I'm hoping for a Dallas win Sunday night
Would much rather face Mr. January and the Cowboys than the Giants.
by Charlie Kelly on Dec 30, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
McCarthy & Payton have never had sanctions levied against their team due to their dishonesty.
Al Capone might have been able to win a lot of games if he was a coach, but that doesn’t make him a good football coach.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Al Capone might have been able to win a lot of games if he was a coach, but that doesn’t make him a good football coach.
Interesting analysis there. Reminds me back then when we had Jim Mora (Nice Guy) who could get you to the playoffs but could never WIN a playoff game.
Then we have Sean Payton. (Who in a lot of people’s eyes he’s very arrogant) Who changed our franchise into a winning go for it attitude who got us to the promised land. A prick or not, he wins and gives very little to no mercy. A lot like Belichick. (Offense)
And there are plenty of people that hate Belichick. But I’ll say this. He wins games. 4 Superbowl appearances, 3 wins. If we never gotten Sean Payton, Belichick would have been my next choice or someone else like him.
Give me a prick who wins big games over a nice guy who’s mediocre any day
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by Jricky70 on Dec 28, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't mean anything about personality
I meant things that have nothing to do with actual X’s & O’s that may influence the outcome of a game.
For the record, I like how Belichick is a dick to the media.
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I like how Belichick is a dick to the media.
So do I, it’s classic!
Oh I didn’t take it personal. I did like your analysis.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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I really wanted Payton when he was looking at teams. Still shocked he didn’t end up our coach, I’ve heard we were his first choice. I wonder what TT didn’t like about him.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
I really wanted Payton when he was looking at teams.
I’ll say this Trevor, I’m grateful we got him. We were terrible in 2005 under Brooks/Haslett era. The best news was when they were no longer with us ruining our franchise
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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Putting teams away is one thing...
Having your QB throw when the score is 49-7 is another. That is showing someone off, far from showing a killer instinct.
Like I said, I respect Payton as a coach but he has to tone it down with this record chasing mentality.
Just because you have been a loser for so many years and now you’re on the top of the heap doesn’t mean that you have to lose your class.
I am, again, not taking anything away from Brees’s record. Like I said, it’s a great accomplishment and couldn’t have been achieved by a better guy.
It could, however, have been achieved in a much better way.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 28, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
What?
….I respect Payton as a coach but he has to tone it down with this record chasing mentality.
Why on Earth would you not want to crush your enemy? Why would you want them to think they(Falcons) have a chance when we play them again in the playoffs? Which is most probably going to happen.
My only regret for that game is that the Saints didn’t score more. 70 points would have been nice, but 80 would have been better.
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
by DrWhoDat on Dec 28, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rivalries only count for Green Bay on here…what are you thinking?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
You do realize that Packers-Bears has much more significance than Falcons-Saints, right?
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha haha It used to be relevent like big 10 football
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Good to see that SEC education paying off.
Apparently they don’t offer classes like Logic or Intro to Writing though, judging by your posts.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Dec 28, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And apparently they left out personality lessons in what ever school you went to
I was joking as was Wiedmann in his post i’m sure
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Why would that have been a joke?
The Saints-Falcons “rivalry” IS pretty meaningless compared to the Packers and the Bears. Compare for yourself. Saints-Falcons Packers-Bears
And by the way, you didn’t mean personality, you meant tact, which you sorely lack. Don’t come into someone else’s house, shit on the carpet, and demand that you be treated like a guest.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Dec 28, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was not joking
Packers-Bears is the longest rivalry in the NFL (dating back to 1921), and the two teams have a combined 22 championships. They also were founding members of the NFL & just last year they met in the NFC Championship game, with the Packers winning XLV their next game.
The Saints & Falcons have only been playing each other since 1967, and the two teams have a combined 1 championship, and only 2 league championship game appearances. Both were expansion franchises in the late ’60s. The only time the two teams met in the postseason was a wild card game in ’91, and the Falcons (the winner) lost in the divisional round by 17 the next week.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ok
Do you honestly think a fan of any other team than the Packers-Bears cares about that rivalry? Do you have memories of the game in 1921? Or the games in the 1930’s 1940’s? What exactly does that have to do with the way you feel when the two teams play? Isn’t it the games you have watched over the years that have formed and molded your opinion of said rivalry?
And what do championships have to do with rivalry? Your argument is so stupid I think my only reply will be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&list=LLzAfIs7YmXRQwgzu_EiDmqg&index=3&feature=plpp_video
Also:
and the two teams have a combined 1 championship, and only 2 league championship game appearances.
Wrong, the Saints went twice so far (will be 3 this year, when we play the Lions), and the Falcons went at least once that I know of.
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
Of course, if someone happened before you came into being it is irrelevant.
Who cares about Bill Walsh? I certainly don’t have memories of his active years in the NFL. Ergo, the 49ers of the 80’s-90’s aren’t worth mentioning in a conversation about the evolution of passing offenses.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Dec 28, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
And your argument has what to do with a rivalry?
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
Not an argument. Just illustrating how naive your previous comment was.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
What were the two league championship game appearances by the Saints?
I know they went to (and won) in 2009, and the Falcons went to (and lost) in 1998. That’s two by my count. I think you are confusing league championship games with conference championship games (though, I’m struggling to remember even two conference championship games by the Saints; did they go to one in the ’80s with Rickey Jackson & the Dome Patrol?)
The history behind the rivalry does affect the games. You think the Packers-Bears games in the ‘80s were the way they were because of the contemporary players? There are years of pent-up hate in a Packers-Bears rivalry from fans, coaches & players. There’s a reason the announcers always mention “this is the ###th meeting between the Packers & Bears”, and I’ve never heard the announcers mention how many times the Saints & Falcons have met when they play. It’s not because the announcers are brain-dead (though this is usually the case).
Championships do have to do with rivalries (or at least winning & being a competitive franchise). There’s a reason the big rivalry in baseball is Yankees Red Sox & not Mets-Nationals, even though both rivalries are based in large East Coast markets near each other.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
they went to the conference championship in 2006
lost to duh bares
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Most people in the league understand the history of the rivalry…listen to the announcers talk about it. If you aren’t smart enough to pick up on it, then you are probably very young or just not too smart.
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by TrevorR on Dec 29, 2011 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No man
We all know about it. The point we (Saints fans) are trying to make is, we don’t care about it. We have no vested interest in it. That doesn’t make it less meaningful for y’all (you guys). And the way y’all feel about Saints/Falcons does not make it less meaningful to us.
Atlanta is the team all of New Orleans hates, despises, and practices voodoo against. If you ever had a chance to attend a Saints/Falcons game in Atlanta the first thing you would notice is the number of saints fans in attendance. Some games we out number Falcon fans.
And believe me Saints players know about it because we tell them, “I don’t care if you win any other games, just beat the Falcons!”
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
I don't doubt it's a big rivalry to you
but don’t act like it’s on par with Packers-Bears. Hell, it’s not even the biggest rivalry in the state of Georgia. Ask people from GA who they would rather beat, the Saints or the Gators, and a majority would say the Gators.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So
it’s a big rivalry because Falcon fans don’t even care enough to show up to their home game? And a 2-14 season would be a success?
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
One thing that will make you happy is that we share a hatred of the Bears with you…at least most that I know do.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I’ll remember this the next time I hear about the Chicago Cubs-Chicago White Sox rivalry because they’ve surely won tons of championships and have both been relevant all throughout history. Except they haven’t…that doesn’t mean that their rivalry isn’t significant.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
pst…who played in the NFC Championship game last year? You are acting like the Bears haven’t been relevant for years or something. The Bears still had the playoffs on the line in the game buddy.
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And how long had it been since they had a game of that magnitude before that?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Besides, I’m not saying your rivalry isn’t significant, I’m saying that the one between the Saints and Falcons is. I don’t have to downplay the Bears-Packers rivalry to play up the one between the Saints and Falcons.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying the Falcons-Saints isn't significant
I’m saying that Packers-Bears is more significant. You arguing against that is foolhardy.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
IMO
Significance is all perspective. Yes yours is indeed longer and much more storied. But as a fan of a different conference, you can’t have the knowledge of all the little details that make one teams fan base root, cheer and claim superiority over anothers unless you live and breathe for that sports team. I can understand yours and respect it. But can’t appreciate it like you (and truth be told, I doubt many of the fans here can attest to the bitterness of the rivalry from back in the 20’s).
I wouldn’t belittle any rivalry. As a Saints fan, ours against the Falcons is a pretty heated one. From my experience (due to where I live) I see more of a divisional rivalry between the Pack and the Vikes.
Either way, arguing whose rivalry is better than anothers is kind of futile.
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I lived in Georgia for 9 months (football season: Aug-May)
I didn’t hear a single word about the Falcons-Saints “rivalry” the whole time I was there.
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I have no response to that
Congrats. You win the title. Feel free to put that bad boy on your resume. Official documentation will be sent via the mail.
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by Grumps on Dec 29, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
More significant or has more history? The NFC South Champion has been between these teams for 3 years running (I’d expect that streak to continue for at least 2 more seasons) and they have two of the top QBs in the game.
Granted, Chicago could become more consistent and things would change, but at this moment in time the Atlanta-New Orleans rivalry has much more significance. Maybe if Cutler didn’t get injured, that would be different, but he did.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Green Bay and Chicago just played in the NFC Championship last year
when’s the last time New Orleans played Atlanta in the playoffs?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Dec 29, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
1991 was the only time
It was the only playoff win for either team that year.
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Wow, a whole 3 year streak?
I’m sorry, but is this really your argument? The Packers & Bears have each gone to the SB in the last five years, and just last year faced off in the NFC Championship game (something the Falcons & Saints have never done).
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the Packers and Bears are also numbers 1 and 2 in league championships
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Did the Packers players ever urinate on the Bears symbol on the 50 yard line?
Saints players have done that to the Falcons, that is how much they hate the Falcons.
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
Just like the mooning stuff up there, right? Or was Randy Moss just making that up? Because nobody called him on it.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot that Randy Moss ever played for the Packers.
Or the Bears. Or was relevant in any way to this discussion.
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Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Wow…you don’t know that story? It involves the Packers’ fans and a game when Moss played for the Vikings. And if you followed the discussion, there was a comment that said “Classy”. I was replying to that comment in particular, thus the reason my comment is indented under the “Classy” comment.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
My sarcasm probably didn’t translate, but you don’t really think a bunch of fans mooning Vikings players compares to a professional football player urinating on the field, do you?
Well, seeing as the player only imitated urinating on the field, I’d call it even. However, Remi Ayodele embellished his story a bit for whatever reason. He’s not really missed much here…especially since he went to the Vikings.
Just thinking about your division, I think yours is the only team we really care for much…Detroit rubbed us the wrong way with all of their dirty play and the Vikings wore out their welcome after the 2009 NFCCG and the whining that ensued after we beat them. I am anxiously awaiting a hopeful rematch against y’all in the NFCCG with the winner going on to take it all.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Why would you brag about that?
That would embarrass the everloving shit out of me.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Any requests?
Not much more to say about my “last story”. He was the one who claimed to do it. No longer on the roster. Wears Purple.
I like Hamburgers!
It's all a blur
But considering how many of the damn things I have consumed, must have been a good one.
I like Hamburgers!
... The Cubs and Sox?
The Cubs have the Cardinals and Brewers, the Sox have the Tigers and Twins.
Really, any Cubs/Sox rivalry is more made up in the marketing than it is in any games that matter, considering they aren’t even in the same league, much less division.
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously, almost nobody here care AT ALL about that series.
You’d have been better off saying the Cardinals-Royals.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Cubs-Sox?
Are you kidding? They didn’t even play a regular season game until 1997. The Cardinals are the Cubs rival.
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And that explains the great love the Sox and Cubs fans have right? Oh, wait…they don’t.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Cubs and Sox?
Holy crap, you’re grasping at straws there. Much of that rivalry was sown before they even played a game because the marketing machine in Chicago wanted to pit fans of the two teams against each other.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
Ha no one outside Chicago & GB cares about that
The rest of the NFL fans care about their own teams rivalry
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 29, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, whatever
You clearly are being (intentionally?) ignorant now. If you truly can’t recognize what is generally regarded as one of the premiere rivalries in not only the NFL but all of sports, then I pity you.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 29, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Me ignorant I doubt it
I just dont believe every thing in the world revolves around the nfl team I root for.
I understand people in CHI & GB think this is the best rivalry ever
But there are 30 other NFL teams and I would think they all care more about their teams rivalry’s more then the Bears & Packers
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 29, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So why are you trying to tell us the oldest rivalry in the NFL isn't important,
Especially when this is a Packers blog and one of the teams in that rivalry is the Packers?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Lol!
SEC ‘education’
Lol.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
well, unless it's Vanderbilt
that’s at least a legitimate university
football does not build character, it reveals character.
And that's probably at least a part of why they don't get any recruits there.
Kids don’t play in the SEC to go to class.
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Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m a chemical engineer with a degree from LSU who happens to work on major oil and gas projects around the world. You guys can try to perpetuate whatever stereotypes you want, but it doesn’t make them correct or legitimate.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, there's smart people at almost every university
however, when you compare the general academic standards and university rankings of most SEC schools to those of say, most Big Ten schools, no SEC schools compare, with the exception of Vanderbilt and to a lesser extent Florida.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Dec 29, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not one to care for who all the school lets in…so long as they can actually teach the necessary skills to work and they provide a good environment for learning. And each university usually has some field where they are better than average. I’ve worked with people from many different schools and can’t say that I’ve noticed much of a difference based upon the school they went to.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yea when was the last time a major SEC school had a football coach molest children
And the whole school cover it up for years and years
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
because that has to do with academics...
Also, who’s to say that it isn’t happening right now or has already happened? You think the entire state of Alabama wouldn’t have covered up for Bear Bryant if he was molesting children?
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by Wiedmann on Dec 29, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont know I dont live in AL.
But I wouldn’t put anything past them
Sweeping a whole net over SEC academics is crazy
MS State has one of the best engineering schools in the country
Ole MS has one of the best Law Schools in the country
Auburn has one of the best vetrenarian schools in the country etc.etc.
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 29, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think anybody needs to go there. That is a horrible situation and I feel for those who are dealing with the aftermath of this.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 30, 2011 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Significance to whom? You’re just showing your ignorance here. Especially considering the fact that Atlanta has been competitive for the past four seasons, only missing the playoffs once.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
Significance to the league.
Significance to the general population.
It’s more significant to every other fanbase than Falcons-Saints aside from maybe all four NFC South teams.
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by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I get it...
You Saints fans are just getting used to winning and still have the huge chip on your shoulder. It’s like that rags-to-riches wealth who still has to learn manners. Give it time.
Just remember: You don’t earn respect and fear of your opponent by dropping 80 on them. All you did to the Falcons (and Colts and Giants the next time you meet them) is another red circle around their calendar date and some extra motivation.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 28, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
I dont believe the Saints need their rivalries respect or fear
Just their number
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
A rivalry is a mutually shared competitive dislike between two or more people/organizations.
You meant rival.
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Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
I'm sorry,
but if people can’t be bothered to speak the language correctly, I can’t be bothered to respect their opinions.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Do you not respect the person who wrote this article? I’ve never heard of an asterix being placed next to a record, but I have heard of an asterisk being placed next to one.
While I may tease the person spelling the word, I certainly recognize that I actually make mistakes myself and am not going to assume that this means that he doesn’t have an opinion worth considering. Of course, maybe you think you are perfect and would like to hold yourself up as the standard for the rest of us…but if you do think so you are wrong.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I feel like his point isn't valid enough to comment on.
He’s written plenty of good stuff on here, but this one missed the mark. Happy?
And to be clear, there is a difference between accidentally misspelling or misplacing the occasional word, and consistently and blatantly not giving a shit about spelling, or punctuation, or grammar, or pretty much anything else people normally consider signs of intelligence. If someone doesn’t care enough to write in a way that suggests they’re confident and informed enough to be part of the discussion, it’s probably because they aren’t.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Some might say the same thing about somebody emphasizing their point by the use of profanity. Just saying that it is a bit short-sighted to use spelling as an indicator of being confident and informed. I would say it might be an indication of bad typing and vocabulary, though.
Now, if you think what he is saying indicates that he is not confident and informed, well that is a whole other story.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not from this guy, it's not...
For someone to nitpick writing mechanics on an informal online forum is indicative of his own insecurity to provide a valid point. Absolutely immaterial to the matter at hand here. A bitch move (oops, does that mean I’m insecure and uneducated?)
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by cajuncreation on Jan 1, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
He and his fellow Saints fans who've popped up in this thread have been terrible guests
especially Mississippi in this subthread, so what cause is there to be a good host? If some random scumbag comes into your house, and defecates(better?) on the floor, are you going to ignore that and offer the man a drink, or are you going to offer him his choice between cleaning supplies or a fist?
All he’s done is take shots, so why not fire back? And while yes, this is an “informal” forum, this isn’t the PBS Kids forum where we discuss the latest episode of Arthur, it’s a big boy blog where you’re expected to know how to write like a big boy.
By all means though, have the last word in a dead thread. I’m done with you ill-educated, over-entitled hicks.
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by Tepo6688 on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You don't see us
Popping up in your thread over there. You know, the one that talks about Brees being the MVP over Rodgers? Where you use the horrible argument about how the best backup QB in the game played as a detriment to Rodgers MVP status?
If we were to go over there and talk about it, we would do so in a respectable manner, much unlike how our “guests” have acted.
I hope that you’re at least clarifying that not all of us has been disrespectful.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 3, 2012 7:02 AM CST up reply actions
Why on Earth would you not want to crush your enemy?
Excellent Point Dr Who Dat. I’ve learned to never let up on the gas when competing. For example: Friday The !3th Part 4. Which should have been the final chapter, when 12 year old Corey Feldman slashed Jason to pieces due to the fact he kept coming back. Different analysis, same principle. “Finish The Job”
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1 more reason it doesn't bother me
In our heyday of suckyness the Falcons once beat us 62-7
Scoring all the way through the game and taunting our sidelines everytime they scored
They called crap to our players coaches and fans in our home stadium
I doubt/hope the Saints will ever let off the gas against them
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, because the players on the current Saints/Falcons teams are even aware of that.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
true say
and I don’t disagree with it, like I said before it’s a different way of doing things. I just think it’s silly that people look at the yardage record and assume Brees is therefore the MVP, when Rodgers is beating him in every legitimately important stat besides completion percentage
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I haven't heard one person say Drew is the MVP
Just that he should be considered
But I read an artical today by Pat Y the espn south blogger that made a good case for Rogers
With out rogers the Pack would be much closer to the 2011 Colts then the Saints with out Brees
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
No way
Matt Flynn is much much better than Chase Daniel.
Just saying=)
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Dec 28, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
LSU LSU LSU
Geaux Matt
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
But we have a running game…and Jimmy Graham and Darren Sproles.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
He was referencing an earlier discussion
An article that said Brady deserves the MVP because Matt Flynn is better than Hoyer/Mallett.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/49715/tom-brady-not-aaron-rodgers-is-mvp
Fuck Tom Brady. I don’t need to have fucksticks defending this fuck.
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with the Packers' lack of a strong running game and O-line, two areas the Saints are excellent in
I can agree with that assessment
football does not build character, it reveals character.
And you somehow think that they don’t know? How come your rivalry is so great and storied and is the only one that players can remember? Sorry, but I think that is a bit short-sighted.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions
It probably isn't used as billboard material
just like I wouldn’t expect any current Packers to hold a grudge about the game from 1980 where the Bears won 61-7, nor would I expect any Bears to hold a grudge over the 1962 game where the Packers won 49-0. Then again, maybe I’m wrong, maybe the Bears waited 18 years to exact their revenge.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Lovie Smith stated, when hired by the Bears, that his number one priority was to beat the Packers.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Oh, please.
You sound like a certain Lions fan that lurks over here.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
this game is meaningless for New Orleans anyway, so why would it matter?
San Fran’s not losing to St. Louis
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Any given Sunday
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Yea preach to the choir
We lost to the Rams
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
No lol
I don’t mean it like that. The Rams have self destructed since they beat you in that game. Your loss to the Rams was just a fluke.
As far as I know, they really don’t have any huge motivating factor to win that game, while the 49ers do (2nd seed). I know I want the 49ers to get that second seed, because it forces you to travel to their house (I’m going to assume that you guys win in the wild card round), and that should be an interesting match up.
Yea its funny every year we lose to a lousey team we shouldn't
And the last few years we have lost to the Panthers in week 17 in meaningless games lol
It will be nice to play them with something on the line
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 28, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
How worried are you about the Panthers?
Not in this game, but for future seasons? If Newton grows as a passer, and makes smarter decisions, he looks like a force to be reckoned with. On the other hand, that defense has been taken advantage of quite often it seems like.
personally I think the Panthers either win that division or get a wild card next year if their defense improves
they’ve played everybody tough this year, and Newton is only getting better.
Also, they’ll likely have an easier inter division schedule than either the Saints or Falcons because of where they finish this year.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
They already have the best defense
When Beason is healthy.
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
they have the look of a real dangerous team in the future
would be wise to look for a replacement for Steve Smith though, no telling how long he’s gonna be able to keep this up into his thirties
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Division rivals…they have always been in the same division, so there is that at least.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions
Just like y’all weren’t going to lose to the Chiefs, right?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 28, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
okay, bet on the Rams then if that's the way you feel
they’re not winning the game, they’re a broken team.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Just saying that it isn’t so inconceivable…especially with the offense of the Niners.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
This is very true
Too bad the Rams have the Rams offense.
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It didn’t bother me in the least. I stayed up to watch him set the record only to watch them run run run for the entire fourth quarter. It was national TV, the crowd “new” it was going to happen that game, they had all the pomp and circumstances ready for it…just get it over with. Then they don’t have to answer all the questions in the media about falling 30 yards shorts, etc etc. I didn’t feel it was unclassy in the least. They weren’t running up the score the whole time, just on the very last drive. IT was clearly for ONE reason, Falcon fans have nothing to be pissed about, they weren’t rubbing anything in anyone’s faces, just getting the record over with so they can focus on other stuff this week.
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by TrevorR on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is such a worthless, meaningless record
that I really don’t give a damn whether it has an asterisk or not.
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After further review,
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by NorthStarr on Dec 28, 2011 1:38 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
…again, it wouldn’t be if it was Rodgers breaking it. We’d all be trumpeting how great he is for taking down such a big record.
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by TrevorR on Dec 28, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Yep, can’t help but get that feeling myself.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Dec 29, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
this is more or less how I feel about it too
gross yards gained/surrendered are wayyyy down on the list of important stats.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
From a Saints fan's (obviously) perspective
Bottom line, Sean Payton’s decision Monday night generated the following:
1) The Saints fans ++happy.
2) The Saints players are elated by and proud of both their head coach and QB.
3) The Saints themselves are undistracted by the mega-hype of an unbroken record next week.
4) Certain individuals consider the decision “classless”.
1 + 2 + 3 > 4. Heyooooo! Yay math!
Whether or not the record stands for anything anymore, whether or not it requires an asterisk, whether or not the Falcons draw on this as revenge material (they better), whether or not people are pissed off that Brees is in the same MVP discussion as Rodgers, etc…doesn’t really matter to me. The buildup and release (insert sex joke) was kickass and fun to watch, and I personally hope Brees plays and wins again this next week and pads the record, so that another, future team not named the 2011 Patriots and fan base get to relive the experience.
I fully support this
I personally hope Brees plays and wins again this next week and pads the record, so that another, future team not named the 2011 Patriots and fan base get to relive the experience.
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yeah, I think I speak for all of us when I say Fuck the Patriots. Fuck them right in the ear.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Dec 28, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
"Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast!"
by mike_o on Dec 28, 2011 3:55 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident
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by Wiedmann on Dec 28, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
...
I saw that this topic exploded and I was hoping it was memes and stuff like our “Dear Norseman” topic.
by Charlie Kelly on Dec 29, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
Does the asterisk
Represent how awesome Drew Brees is? If so, then asterisk away. Hell, throw two or three on that thing.
I like Hamburgers!
by Grumps on Dec 29, 2011 10:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Both those QBs in that picture are class acts and the top of the class players.
Brees = awesome
Rodgers = awesome
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed.
Brees is the only other QB I would like to see represent the NFC in the Super Bowl; you know, after Rodgers wins the next 5 in a row :P
by mike_o on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Then Skip will never lay off!
Aaron Rodgers can’t win the Pro Bowl.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Both those QBs in that picture are class acts and the top of the class players.
Brees = awesome
Rodgers = awesome
Rec’d!!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
I think the record itself represents how awesome Drew Brees is
That asterisk is silly talk.
That pic is kind of funny because Brees looks like he’s been put through the ringer and hung up to dry — sweaty and dirty. Rodgers looks like he’s about to shoot another discount double check ad. Obviously, it’s because Brees was on offense to finish the game, but it’s still a funny contrast.
Our QB is taller.
nanananabooboo stick your head in doodoo
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Hold your booyaa
The only reason Rodgers chose number 12 is that he always had trouble with numbers. He never got the progressions. After years of trying he could get no further than 1….2….always stalling out. He just gave up and accepted that 12 would be his little comfort zone for life.
Haha…Happy new years you cheese eaters.
I like Hamburgers!
Yeah?
Well Drew Brees apparently only has 9 fingers!
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
As the story goes...
All due to a tragic “Shocker experience” whilst attending Purdue. Damn that cheerleader.
I like Hamburgers!
by Grumps on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And is younger…bright future y’all have in front of you
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 29, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Here is a great article on asterisks
http://www.moosedenied.com/we-make-the-rules-pal/
"Be not afraid of greatness: some men are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them." ......William Shakespeare
by DrWhoDat on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to have to call bull f***ing shit on this...
You can bet your ass that if it were Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers (or Peyton Manning, or Tony Romo, or Tim Tebow) duking it out for the single-season passing record, they’d be going all Mark McGwire/Sammy Sosa ’98 with it.
Brees is getting all kinds of love for it. Don’t confuse this one FanPost w/ the media.
by mike_o on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
Brees is getting all kinds of love for it. Don’t confuse this one FanPost w/ the media.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Dec 29, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Some of you guys have way too much time on your hands ;>)
One more person’s opinion: asterisk, shmasterisk. Stats records, whether seasonal or career, occur under the then-prevailing season length, penalty rules, strength of competition, etc. Asterisks should be confined to records that may have been influenced by one-off events (e.g., ex post facto evidence of illegal juicing, or a hypothetical passer-rating record set in a strike-shortened season, or Ol’ Number Four diving in front of Michael Strahan).
Otherwise, you’d be drowning in a sea of footnotes. All post-hashmark-change rushing statistics would be asterisked, and the passing records would need a nested set of footnotes to cover the various changes in contact rules.
Better approach: A record is a record. Those that care can argue (obviously) about era and rules and whatever, and that can, in fact, be fun, and interminable. And it’s a perfectly valid observation that Brees needed 50 or so more passes to break Marino’s yardage record. But it doesn’t change the fact that he DID break the record.
But Rodgers IS taller.
by bob47 on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
News of the future
December, 2011: Drew Brees breaks Dan Marino’s single-season passing record, which had stood for 27 years
December, 2012: Eli Manning, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers break Drew Brees’ single-season passing record, which had stood for 12 months
I think Drew Brees will also break Drew Brees' single-season passing record in December 2012
but the big question is: will they all be able to accomplish this before the world ends?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
That's in December
They’ll have, like, 2 months to spare.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers:Back-to-back B1G Champions!
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
hmm…last year the highest total was 4710…That is going to be like 700+ yards short of the new record. This is FAR from a guarantee and IMO very unlikely that even one of them approaches it.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
yeah, I think this year was a unique situation because of the lockout
the defenses seemed to be hurt a lot more by it, and early in the year, guys were putting up stupid passing yardage numbers. It’s tapered off a bit as the season has gone on though.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
rule changes are a factor, too
- Quarterbacks are getting protected a lot more.
Remember that play in GB@NYG, where Woodson’s arm brushed alongside Eli Manning’s helmet? That was a 15-yard roughing penalty and a $15K fine. For Woodson, that’s a slap on the wrist. But there’s a lot of guys making league minimum where $15K could induce some real financial pain.
- Similarly (although I think to a lesser degree) for receivers
I think there are a lot of guys seeing how quick the league is to hand out fines, and just not being as aggressive as they used to be.
Also, if it was just a matter of a lack of OTAs or whatever, shouldn’t we have seen defenses get stronger over the course of the season? There’s been some drop off (most noticeable for Brady, I think) but not a huge amount. And Brees had one of his best days passing a couple of weeks ago at the Vikings.
by DaveInTucson on Dec 30, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but those rules have been in effect for several years now
and aside from Brees in 2008, nobody has threatened the record before this season.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
There's been somebody with 4700+ yards passing every year since 2007
2007: Brady (4806)
2008: Brees (5069)
2009: Schaub (4770)
2010: Manning (4700), Rivers (4710)
2011(*): Brady (4897), Brees (5087)
(*) With, of course, one game to go. Eli Manning and Matthew Stafford are both within easy reach of 4700 as well.
Of course, Aaron Rodgers is at 4643 right now, although he’ll be very limited Sunday, if he plays at all
by DaveInTucson on Dec 31, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
like I said though, Brees was the only one who previously came close to the record
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Look, it's real simple.
All these posts, and I didn’t see anyone who got it quite right. I shall now refute your points one by one, showing that all your arguments against Brees can be made against Marino as well.
1. Over half of his games are in passing friendly domes.
Marino played in Miami. I mean, it’s not like he spent his career in Three Rivers Stadium or something.
2. The extreme pass first tendancy of the league now a days (sic) where 2 players, Brees and Brady should break that number…the rules are stacked on their sides.
Something very similar happened around the time Marino broke the record. It was not a coincidence that Dan Fouts shattered the previous record by over 700 yardsa couple years before Marino set the current mark. Pass interference was basically invented in the late 70s. Not to take anything away from Dan Marino, but he absolutely benefited from rules changes.
3. 4 massive blowouts where they just kept throwing the ball.62-7?
I think I’m just going to go with the “So What?” argument here. This is a yardage record, not a sportsmanship record, and either Brees got the yards or he didn’t.
4. Rodgers has sat for at least 6 quarters this season. If Rodgers had an arrogant ass of a coach [blah, blah, blah] I’d have Rodgers at around 5,150 yards with 50 TD’s and only 7 ints.
See #3. If Barry Sanders had had Emmitt Smith’s O-line, he’d be the best running back in history. And if Don Majkowski had played for Bill Walsh, he’d be among the top five QBs for career wins, and if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a wagon.
Record are not recorded based on what could have happened if circumstances had been different. Brees played within the rules of the game and his single season passing yardage total was higher than anybody else’s has ever been. Therefore, he gets this record. You can whine about it if you want to, but… Whining is all it is.
by Curly Lambeau on Dec 30, 2011 12:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
"If Barry Sanders had had Emmitt Smith’s O-line, he’d be the best running back in history."
Wrong, you mean he’d have the most career rushing yards, not best RB. Sanders is still one of the best RBs in history (#2, by my estimation) even with that mediocre at best OL. Honestly, Sanders would have been a lot less fun to watch if he had great blocking. Part of what made him so great was his ability to make something out of nothing, and he simply wouldn’t have that opportunity behind the Dal OL.
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Right. Good correction, that’s what I meant to say.
…although I think Barry would’ve been just as spectacular, but he just would’ve handed guys their jocks five yards past the line of scrimmage instead of five yards behind it. It always kinda’ bugs me when they talk about some running back today being like Barry Sanders. It’s like, “No, dude. You need to go find a VCR and put on a tape of Barry.” He was unreal.
by Curly Lambeau on Dec 31, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You know, no matter how nice the weather gets in Miami, the Fins still played outside, they still had to deal with the wind and weather, hot and cold. It’s interesting to look at where the Fins played their road games in 84: @ Pats, @ Jets, @ Bills, @ Cardinals (Busch stadium), @ Chargers…
Marino played in Miami. I mean, it’s not like he spent his career in Three Rivers Stadium or something.
and @ the Steelers, in Three Rivers Stadium.
Marino played one game indoors in 1984, @ the Colts in the Hoosier Dome (later renamed the RCA Dome, and since demolished).
Brees has played 10 games inside this year (and it will be 11, after week 17). To just dismiss this out of hand seems kind of disingenuous.
by DaveInTucson on Dec 30, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nah. What’s disingenuous is you pretending that the current QBs are the only ones who benefited from rules changes or the venue in which they played.
I mean, let’s forget about the fact that the two previous record holders (Marino & Fouts) played in Miami and San Diego. How many yards would Johnny Unitas have thrown for if he hadn’t played in Baltimore in an era when the head slap was still a legal pass rushing move and the clothes-line was an accepted way of disrupting a receiver’s pass route? Probably more, huh? But how many more? That’s the question. And the answer is: Who knows.
Or how about 1967, when Joe Namath was the first to throw for 4,000 yards while playing outdoors in New York? How many more yards would he have gotten if he didn’t have to think about whether or not Don Maynard would be killed if he threw him a pass over the middle? The answer is: “More yards,” obviously. But, I mean, exactly how many more yards? Nobody can say, of course, which is why we don’t attach asterisks. If you’re going to start, then why would you give Brees an asterisk but not Marino? …if your answer is: because you love Marino and you hate Namath, then the record has lost all objective meaning.
And the whole point of records like this is that they ARE objective. It is a fact that Drew Brees has thrown for more yards in a single season than anyone else ever has. Unless you can demonstrate that he cheated, then… again, you’re just whining. The point that he couldn’t have done what he did except for the particular situation that he was in… this point is… what’s the word? “Valid”? Sure. “Obvious?” Absolutely. “Meaningless?” There! That’s the word I’m looking for! It’s universally true that every QB couldn’t have done what he did if it had not been for the particular advantages that he had. So, you’re right. Fine. Congratulations, Captain obvious, you win again.
by Curly Lambeau on Dec 31, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What’s disingenuous is you pretending that the current QBs are the only ones who benefited from rules changes or the venue in which they played.
Are you seriously suggesting that the recent rule changes protecting the quarterback and “defenseless receivers” are not a major advantage to the passing game?
Captain obvious, you win again.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 1, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Here is a question to all that are saying Brees has the advantage of playing indoors
What’s the excuse for Brady then? He may pass Marino’s total. He may even pass Brees. How many indoor games did he play in? Looks like 0 to me.
Plus it’s not like Brees hasn’t played over half of his games indoors before this season.
I’ll just give him credit for breaking the record, it’s a very impressive feat no matter the circumstances.
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by Wiedmann on Dec 31, 2011 2:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If your hand stinks, you shouldn't be subjecting poor, unsuspecting animals to it!
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 31, 2011 2:17 AM CST up reply actions
how can those things be so adorable...
yet so disgusting?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Hey mississippisaintsfan
If you are still reading this, I see you hypocrite. So running up the score and stat padding aren’t okay now huh?
by Shoes31 on Jan 1, 2012 9:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I've watched Brees and Rodgers
Run up scores and pad stats. But that is today’s NFL. Less class (though the opposite is pretended). Goes back to Tom Brady’s record season in 2007. So, if one is going to do it, I guess they all have to if they want a shot at the big records. I give Peyton credit for never really having to do that.
The fact that Rodgers say out 1.5 games this season makes up for it a bit too.
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