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Did The Refs Come As One Sided In Favor Of The Giants?

EAST RUTHERFORD, NJ - DECEMBER 04:  Hakeem Nicks #88 of the New York Giants celebrates after he caught a 4-yard touchdown reception in the third quarter against the Green Bay Packers at MetLife Stadium on December 4, 2011 in East Rutherford, New Jersey.  (Photo by Chris Trotman/Getty Images)

I'm asking for it by even writing this post, but the refs played a bigger role than usual in the Green Bay Packers win over the Giants. The refs, in general, are equally good and bad, and the good and bad eventually even themselves out over a 16 game season. But it was brought up in the comments, and I'll write about what I saw while I was watching Fox's coverage from my couch.

The Ballard non-touchdown. My first reaction was that he was out of bounds. From this two-D image, I can't tell whether his knee is still an inch above the field or is it on the ground already. I didn't see any fake grass or paint move until his knee was out of bounds. That's about as close as it comes, and I can understand why Giants fans are upset, but I think the refs got it right.

Jennings touchdown reception that Amukamara swatted out of his hand. I'm sure the NFL will be looking at these possession rules in the end zone for a while because they're a mess. Why is it different for a receiver who stays on his feet like Jennings and not a receiver who goes to the ground (the Calvin Johnson rule)? Why is this rule seemingly different for receivers when any running back who loses possession a millisecond after "crossing the plane of the goal line" is ruled a touchdown and he doesn't have to have possession when he hits the ground? Again, I can understand why Giants fans are upset, but they should have to get in line behind Lions fans.

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The only blown call I saw was Woodson grabbing Nicks in the end zone. But he caught it anyway, and Woodson gave him a fist bump for the one handed catch. I'm sure I missed some other penalty that wasn't called, but what were they? It wasn't holding by the offensive line because the run blocking wasn't great, the Giants pass rush was as good as it's been in weeks, and Marshall Newhouse didn't seem to be blocking much less holding. Woodson drew a couple of other flags, so it wasn't like he got special treatment. Morgan Burnett didn't seem close enough to any receiver to even be considered covering one much less interfering with one.

As for the missed calls on the Giants, while this is not a comprehensive list, it's enough to tilt the balance of the game. The missed field goal attempt at the end of the first half when DE Jason Pierre-Paul jumped over the back of the long snapper. With 2 minutes left in the third quarter, Rodgers threw an incomplete pass to Finley on third down and there wasn't a point when a Giants defender didn't have a hand on him. I forget when it happened, but the time Rodgers got grilled in the face mask after a completion. In the fourth quarter, Rodgers threw a ball in the ground when he tried to pull it back after he saw Finley get flattened by LB Jacquian Williams in coverage. And on Driver's second touchdown reception, he almost stepped out of the back of the end zone prior to the pass being thrown because CB Corey Webster gave him a shove. As with the Nicks TD, that one didn't matter because he caught it anyway.

It was a poorly called game. And as usual with poorly called games, both teams have something to complain about. But the refs weren't the difference in this game because they blew calls for both teams. Instead what happened was that the Packers were just a little bit better than the Giants.

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The reffing didn't stand out to me as especially poor or one-sided

There were some missed calls here and there, but that always happens. I didn’t see anything that made me feel it was biased toward the Giants in any way.

The receiver control rule is ridiculous. To me – Jennings established possession in the end zone. As soon as that happens it should be a touchdown. The Calvin Johnson thing was stupid because he caught the ball and just put it down as he was getting up. As stated in the post, the second a RB or QB crosses the plane, it’s a TD, even if it gets fumbled right after, yet Jennings has it batted away after he caught it, and there’s debate as to if it’s a TD? This isn’t an argument for that play, but the rule in general. Just make it consistent.

by rip_city_swagger on Dec 5, 2011 5:28 AM CST reply actions  

My Viking fan wife thought Jennings had a TD, if she felt it was, it had to be!

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by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Not so sure.

I thought it would be overturned. The catch/continuation rule is really open to interpretation, I think it should go back to secure ball, make a football move, it’s a catch. This continuation shit is nonsense. Even Mike Perrera (sp) got it wrong, he was wrong twice yesterday. Finley was getting mugged all day beyond the 5 yard limit. Raji got a hand to the face more than I cared to count. Bottom line if a ref misses one call, the offending player will keep offending until he is flagged. I think refs feel shown up if a player gets demonstrative about not getting a call. All in all the Gnats had 6 flags to the Pack’s 4. Even Steven if you ask me.

by glblank on Dec 5, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

continuation is only when going to the ground.

Doesn’t apply here, so:

secure ball, make a football move, it’s a catch

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by Wiedmann on Dec 5, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yep..

I’ve always hated the “plane of the goal line” nonsense..

then again, I’m a Badger fan..:)

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We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011

by White92 on Dec 5, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

How about the fair catch they didn't call to start the giants last drive?

They would have started 16 yards back to start their last drive. This might have backfired if the giants would have scored and there had been less time on the clock for the Pack to go for the win but maybe the Giants don’t even get the touchdown. On a sad note, if the refs blow the whistle and stop the play as they should have, maybe Quarless doesn’t blow out his knee and the kid still has a career.

by GBP1 on Dec 5, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Ref

I learned long ago that beefing about the refs is the mark of a loser. It is what it is. In every game, both teams suffer or benefit from questionable calls, and over the course of a season everything evens out.

Although, if it makes opposing fans feel better, I agree that the refs are part of a high level, super-secrect black helicopter conspiracy for the Packers to go undefeated. It all started in 2005 when the league manipulated the draft so the Packers got Rodgers at 24 in the first round. Gotta go; my shoe is ringing and I have to answer it.

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by Packer Pete on Dec 5, 2011 6:26 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

It's Nixon on line 2.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Dec 5, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions   3 recs

exactly. I am done with ref whining. Good teams overcome the refs. Plus if you make the plays and stay within the rules, you take the refs out of the game! :-)

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by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Watch a game in Soldier Field once..

Maybe its just my father-in-laws section, but Bear fans whine about the refs nearly every play.

The refs in that game allowed Chiefs coach to “withdraw” a challange, they had a bad non call on a helmet to hlemet hit on Haine…so some of their whining was understandable..

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by White92 on Dec 5, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I noticed that when I lived in IL too.

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by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't you understand Brandon?

The NFL has a “vested interest” in undefeated teams — that’s why they favor the Packers. Giants fans have joined Vikings fans in identifying this all-encompassing, secret directive from the NFL. But it begs the question, where was this cabal when Indy was going undefeated and NE in 2007? Or when the Broncos earlier and myriad other teams have been stopped since the 1972 dolphins?

Getting back to the real world, Silverstein of WSJ tweeted that Raji “stayed on the field for 30 seconds starring at the ref” after the two point conversion. The center for the Giants basically put a hand up on his face on that play. The missed it. Of course Giants fans won’t talk about that one — and that was on a scoring play.

And I don’t agree. I think there were borderline calls. Remember, they make these borderline calls in an instant. We are even debating them with the benefit of hindsight and video replay capability.

They have to be aware of 22 moving parts, that’s 44 arms and 44 legs…all those sneaky tucks and pushes and pulls and grabs. Not easy. They do a damn good job most of the time.

Fans of all teams need to grow up, get a grip, put things in perspective.

Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013

by PackFaninFL on Dec 5, 2011 6:37 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Didn't see the hand to the face but...

I did see a fairly significant hold on Raji, that is probably what he staring at the ref for. I don’t know how the refs missed that considering the runner was only able to get to the end zone because of that hold. If the refs aren’t looking at where the runner is going, what are they watching?

by bpatrickJD on Dec 5, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Was it a hold?

I saw it on replay on youtube. And let’s just say the video was, at best, taken with a calculator! I may have missed the one pixel that was Raji…

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by PackFaninFL on Dec 5, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah it was a hold

They probably have the video on NFL.com. He got hooked around the neck with the LG’s arm, and that by definition is a hold. What’s interesting is that there was not a single hold called against the Giants yesterday.

And Raji is only one pixel?

by Shoes31 on Dec 5, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a big pixel

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 5, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yep..saw that on the replay during the game..

couldnt believe it wasn’t called either

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by White92 on Dec 5, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Raji

Constantly had someone’s mitt in his grill.

by glblank on Dec 5, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

Refs hardly influenced this game at all. The Ballard call was correct, but I think the Jennings TD was an incompletion. Finley was flopping all game to make up for his dropping, and I didn’t see any roughing against Rodgers. Nothing stood out to me at all about the refs in this game and I think that’s a good thing.

by jake_scott on Dec 5, 2011 6:39 AM CST reply actions  

Finley's drops were much more frustrating than the referees

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by Spinyourhead on Dec 5, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree on Ballard…he was out of bounds. I thought it was pretty clear personally.

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by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

agree with Finley

For someone who was whining about not getting the ball enough earlier, sure isn’t proving he deserves the ball more. The drops are getting very frustrating. Its not only Finley, but he seems to have the most or worst (easiest to catch) drops.

by bizzle4 on Dec 5, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

yes..

he’s not consistent catching the ball. At times he uses his hands real good and snatches the ball out of the air..other times he seems to try to use his body to catch it, which is a bad plan.

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by White92 on Dec 5, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

James Jones?

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 5, 2011 11:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

jones' drops last year were all on over the shoulder, downfield routes that would have been touchdowns

he was using his hands, not his body, and every one was perfectly thrown – the one in the Jets game, the one in the Giants game, the one in the Eagles playoff game, and the one in the Super Bowl… dunno if I forgot any others.

I look at the Finley one’s a a bit more forgivable because they haven’t all been easy touchdowns if he caught them (although the one against Atlanta was).

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by sheehan on Dec 5, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

To play devil's advocate

Even if the TD was ruled incomplete and the Packers only get 3, and the rest of the game went on the exact same, the Packers would’ve been down 31-35 and in prime position for 7 at the end of the game.

by Danwood on Dec 5, 2011 6:42 AM CST reply actions  

also, if you reverse the blown call against JPP at the end of the first half, the Packers would have three more points there as well

and then the Giants would have still tied the game late without having to go for two, leading to the same finish.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 5, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmm...

Jennings td was on second down.

by glblank on Dec 5, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me just throw this out in addtion...

there is something in science called “confirmation bias”. People tend to subconsciously reinforce their pre-conceived notions by just looking for “conforming” evidence for their preconceived notions. I made this point during the game threat in reference to the supposed (but nonexistent) bias of Aikman against the Packers.

And now the refs. I talked above why I think the refs probably didn’t do a poor job and how their is much “confirmation biasing” going on with Giants’ fans, focusing on borderline/missed calls made against them but NOT the borderline/missed calls made against the Packers.

It was only a poor game if you think refs should be perfect and should view every play with the perfection of someone who has the hindsight of hours of slow motion video replay review, etc. Nonsensical standard.

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by PackFaninFL on Dec 5, 2011 6:53 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is the genisis of all conspiracy theories
People tend to subconsciously reinforce their pre-conceived notions by just looking for "conforming" evidence for their preconceived notions.

Preemptive Palomino, lets talk political stuff elsewhere .
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Dec 5, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Those game ‘threats’ sound dangerous!

by MikeDB on Dec 5, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree in hindsight that the officiating was substandard, but fair in that they missed calls on both teams.

I’d still say the Ballard TD was a TD…there’s photographic proof of that, but I mean, I can’t rag on them for that. It is what it is. Though, for all the people that keep ragging on the people at BBV last night because we were complaining about calls….it was right after the game and everybody was pissed off. Everybody gets emotional after a loss and starts saying nonsensical shit. I think you’ll find that today, clearer (and sober) heads will prevail.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 5, 2011 7:03 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Hear, hear!

And I remember a game last year where we had 17 PENALTIES in our game at Chicago last year. We lost and the people here were screaming bloody murder about the reffing. I remember that because I was one of a few guys defending the refs and saying we deserved all those penalties. Every fan base I know falls for the " refs are at fault" malady.

Giants fans are some of the most sophisticated, savvy & educated fans I know. You guys were great all week. And I HOPE we don’t play you again this year! (but in way I do, since it would be another football classic)

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by PackFaninFL on Dec 5, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

thanks. and agreed, We've had a lot of fun matchups in the past. Hopefully, we do end up seeing you guys again.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 5, 2011 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Photographic evidence?

Can you tell me for sure, without a shadow of a doubt, that his knee is down, and not one part is on the line? Because from that one picture you can’t.

by Shoes31 on Dec 5, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I just saw those pictures

And while it looks like they have a case, I can’t say for sure that the knee is down at either of these three pictures shown here. And really, his knee would have to be down that second for it to be a TD. Are you going to tell me that the ref can say conclusively that the knee is down? I really don’t think you can. If it was ruled a TD, I think it would have stood. Its one of those calls that you really can’t change the call on the field.

And lets remember that the refs don’t have the time or equipment to get all three shots in that thread. They don’t have the time to zoom in on each of those shots, play it for a few seconds, and digitally enhance the pictures like two of them shown on that page.

by Shoes31 on Dec 5, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Officials in reply do not look at photos

That photo has been post-processed by fox, meaning they digitally enhanced it in order to remove artifacts and other details caused by zooming in on it. Like I touched on above, the officials do not have the benefit of photos or image processing to get better looks, they have to rely on video that they can slow down.

And like has been said before, can you be sure without a shadow of a doubt his knee is down there? Because I’m not, and that is not packer homer-ism. There could be easily a cm or two between his knee and the ground. From that picture, I don’t see the rubber pellets being disturbed, or his leg uniform being contracted / strained because of it hitting the ground. That is why video evidence is so crucial, because that one photo shows no context of the rest of the play.

by Shoes31 on Dec 5, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

compare the video

I don’t think this photo shows his knee down in bounds. To my eyes, it looks like it’s in the air, and probably already out of bounds.

In any case, you can see where his knee hits on the video. It’s about a foot out of bounds.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Dec 5, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

and you can't even tell if his knee is touching the ground. there's no distortion of the pad/pants

and no pellets either

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by sheehan on Dec 6, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He was out end of story

The little rubber dots that cover the field did not fly up until he was on the white. This photograph nosense is just that.

by glblank on Dec 5, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

that 'photographic proof' is taken from an angle where you can't see only see one side of his leg

and can’t see the side on the white line. not to mention the fact that there’s no pellets flying into the air so you can’t even definitively say his knee was touching the ground.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 5, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yay, common sense!

You rock.

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by Celtin on Dec 5, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Tripplette is infamous for seeing things not clear to anyone else

That he of all refs stayed with the call on the field should say SOMETHING.

I mean that guy seems to make up stuff at times to justify overturning a call.

by Big10freak on Dec 5, 2011 7:55 AM CST reply actions  

Tripplette is by far the worst ref in the NFL

I cringed when I saw his crew was doing the game

by bpatrickJD on Dec 5, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

If you look up "Crappy Reffing" in a dictionary

You’ll see Triplette’s bland face staring back at you.

by Jurp on Dec 5, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

No but if GB had challenged it I think they would have won

Bad call right there but I’m guessing McCarthy didn’t want to risk his last timeout. Putting your hand over your head, even if you are calling for it, is the universal football sign of “fair catch”.

Worst thing about the call was the Giants used the field position to march down and score.

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by Spinyourhead on Dec 5, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

not even above the head

just needs to be raised above the shoulder….

by bizzle4 on Dec 5, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Aikman

Love him, hate him, he knows his shit. If the players hand extends above the shoulder it is a fair catch signal, intentional or otherwise.

by glblank on Dec 5, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the officiating was bad

I think Finley was acting when he fell, trying to get a flag instead of get open, I was very dissappointed in him this game. The Driver TD nullified that no call as you said and as you said the same thing happened with Nicks. That only leaves the elevating on the FG. In a game that had a few close calls to only miss one that only happened because of a quirky fumble call that they got right that most crews would have gotten wrong, I’m not going to complain

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 5, 2011 8:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don’t know that Finley was diving, a.k.a. Spanish soccer. But I don’t think it was an obvious penalty on the guy covering him. It looked some contact, possibly ‘incidental,’ as they sort of ran into each other and Finley tripped and fell. While I would have liked a penalty call, again I could see it going either way.

by MikeDB on Dec 5, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I did love Brad Jones' dive

On the little scrum after a punt, I think. When one of the ref’s pulled him away from the pile, he thought it was a Giant and flopped like a rag doll.

by Jurp on Dec 5, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand some of the griping, but I don't think the officiating was slanted towards or against GB.

The Ballard play I can’t comment on, because I didn’t see it since I was still driving home. The FG before the half I didn’t notice anything because I usually watch the kicker’s feet on FGs, which btw it looked to me like Crosby slipped a little on the plant which is probably why he missed. The same thing with Raji, I wasn’t watching him very close except to see he got manhandled out of the hole, I was just wondering where the hell the LBs were on that one. The call for IC on Finley I thought was iffy at best, but it was nullified by a blatant no call three plays later so that’s a wash since the drive ended the same either way.

The Jennings TD I didn’t think was a catch after seeing the replay, but I wasn’t sure due to my lack of knowledge of what constitutes a catch anymore. The Woodson PI non-call I think would’ve been called if the ball wasn’t caught. I thought the ref was reaching for a flag but decided not to throw it since it was caught anyway. I think this seems to happen alot more than people notice, because it always seems like the flags come well after the play when its in the endzone.

I think at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter because you can’t predict how the game is going to go with different calls. Its easy to say they should’ve had a TD there instead of a FG so they would’ve won by 1, but in reality you don’t know how a different scores at different times of the game are going to change the strategy and play calling.

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by Bezerkers on Dec 5, 2011 8:34 AM CST reply actions  

I think Woodson didn't get called

because the receiver initiated the contact with a stiff arm to Wood’s chest. That is why CW grabbed his arm.

by Wisfan on Dec 5, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope, I agree with that

There was a lot of contact both ways. Good non-call, I think (especially considering how rarely they called contact downfield during the course of the game); it was consistent with how they were calling the game.

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by Wiedmann on Dec 5, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I sit corrected.

either way, it doesn’t matter because it was a TD, but you could certainly at least make a case for that being PI

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by sheehan on Dec 5, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It really doesn't matter

which further supports the non-call.

Plus, Wood & Nicks bumped it so they were both fine with letting them play.

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by Wiedmann on Dec 5, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think there should have been a flag either way on it.

I was just trying to refute the argument that we “got away with one there”

by Wisfan on Dec 5, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Jennings TD confirmed by mike periera. If you watch the video jennings does not bobble the ball

And takes three solid steps. It wasn’t pretty but i think its safe to say he had possession

by ThaiPackersfan on Dec 5, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Yup

According to the rule book, that was a TD. We shouldn’t complain about the call… we should complain about the rules!

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by Chief Oshkosh on Dec 5, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

And pick one side or the other

Dont complain about the Calvin Johnson catch and the Jennings catch. I personally favor the rule from the Jennings catch

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 5, 2011 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't like the going to the ground distinction

Jennings & Calvin both had possession, and both should have been called TDs.

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by Wiedmann on Dec 5, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t see how the Jennings TD could be called incomplete. He had the ball securely in his left hand before it was knocked out by the DB.

by MikeDB on Dec 5, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

The officiating was below average

But if it was slanted to one side, I would say the Giants got home field advantage. It doesn’t matter if Finley was flopping, you can’t have a hand on a receiver after 5 yards. Sure, he took some exasperated flops, but he also got mugged with a ton of no calls.

by Shoes31 on Dec 5, 2011 10:55 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

You are right

The mugging early that wasn’t called led to the Finley exaggerating later trying to get a call. IMO that is the wrong way to go about it, Finley should have got more physical himself if the refs were going to let them play. Get tough and use your size to go through defenders.

by Wisfan on Dec 5, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Any contact after 5 can be called illegal contact. The Giants should know better.

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by Chief Oshkosh on Dec 5, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Jennings was getting grabbed a fair bit as well

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by sheehan on Dec 5, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget the missed Fair Catch/Not Fair Catch call.

I agree the refs weren’t biased towards one team or the other. I saw plenty of missed calls for both teams, which Brandon highlighted above me.

People normally complain about the refs because they’re looking for an excuse for why they lost the game. Sometimes they have a point, but this time they didn’t.

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by Celtin on Dec 5, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Not surprising to these sentiments on the Packers blog

and congrats on the win, but anyone that says the refs incompetence wasn’t slanted to the Packers this game is fooling themselves.
No one is saying (at least I’m not) anything about conspiracy theory that the the refs want the Packers to go undefeated or anything like that. I just think that the refs are atrocious and their idiocy benefited the packers more, which is tough as a Giants fan since you guys are cleraly better than us, so for us to play a great game and have to overcome the refs stupidity as well is just tough to take.

The refs looked at that Jenning “TD catch” for a while and for them to come to the conclusion that he caught it, mainitained control, and finished the process of the catch is a joke.

The pass interference on Jacquin Williams touching Finley was a joke. In general, hearing complaining from fans about calls that were not made is just a waste of time, so saying the packers had calls missed is just a sad effort to say the game wasn’t tilted to the pack. (So I wouldnt complain about Nicks being held since everyone always can say their player was held and they do). But a call that was actually made, with contact that was less than incidental is just disgraceful. Finley was crying like a little bitch and flopping the entire game and I guess the refs finally listened, but that was a tough one.

You guys have an awesome team and good luck the rest of the season but just admit you got some good fortune in these. Even great teams need some luck to be unbeaten for a whole season and it looks like everything is lining up for you guys so you should be feeling good. We , on the other hand, haven’t won a game in forever.

by rozzz5 on Dec 5, 2011 11:10 AM CST reply actions  

According to the rules, you are wrong.
finished the process of the catch.

This is different from the Calvin Johnson play. He does not need to have possession all the way through because he did not “go to the ground”. All he needs to do is have possession with 2 feet down for a split second for it to be a TD. And that’s what GJ did!

Did you not hear the ex referee’s explanation during the game?

Also, do you not understand what illegal contact is? The Giants were mugging our WR’s all game after 5 yards. Yeah Finley should have just played through it… but i’m sure he was getting pissed off about it.

Regarding the Nicks TD, we can say the same thing about PI not being called on the DD touchdown.

Open your biased eyes

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by Chief Oshkosh on Dec 5, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   3 recs

Yep.

According to the rules, it was a TD. But, as was mentioned above, these rules are inconsistent. I would have thought after the Calvin Johnson incident there would have been some cleanup regarding possession in the end zone. Guess they were too busy figuring out how to make that extra buck before agreeing to even have a season this year.

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Dec 5, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually they did discuss it....

and decided to leave it.

My guess is that they clean it up after this season since there were so many more instances of controversy.

In Every Climb and Place....

by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 5, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

and rec-d

Good times never seemed so good!

by Celtin on Dec 5, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

The only joke here is your post. Its called sour grapes man…and you have a lot of them. Your team was outplayed, there was no good fortune. Heck your team even had like 5 reviews and they were all the right calls. You might not like the rules but the plays were what they were. The only time people talk about refs is when they are looking for an excuse. In the end, the good teams overcome questionable calls from refs. Its a LONG game, refs are bound to miss things from time to time and heck even mess up a call. They are humans and there are what 5 of them to watch 22 dudes. That said I didn’t think they had that bad of a game. There were missed calls going both ways and in the end the Giants had a chance to stop the Packers and take it to OT and they didn’t THAT is what you should be focused on.

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by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

"5 of them to watch 22 dudes"

I think it’s 7:

Referee
Umpire
Line Judge
Side Judge
Head Linesman
Back Judge
Field Judge

13.

by Wiedmann on Dec 5, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just guessing. I think I shorted it…didn’t really want to go out and research it. Still though its a 3 to 1 ratio.

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by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Please stop

We have offered plenty of evidence for our side. If you want to complain about bad officiating, by all means you have a right to do so. But do it on your own forum. And please, learn the rules BEFORE you start talking about what does and does not constitute a penalty or catch. Whether or not the rules suck and need some serious retooling is not important here, they are what they are for right now.

Maybe you should be more focused about your teams deficiencies and future schedule, rather than crying about what your biased eyes see.

by Shoes31 on Dec 5, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   4 recs

wait...

Is this Jim Schwartz?

And please, learn the rules

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by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol Schwartz

Schwartz to ref: “Learn the effin rules!”

3 games later:
Ref to Schwartz: “Maybe you should, you know, tell your players to have some restraint. These penalties are getting ridiculous, and my arm is getting flag elbow.”

by Shoes31 on Dec 5, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol stupidity

1. you don’t have to ‘complete the process’ if you don’t go to the ground. had possession in his left hand for three steps, catch all the way. Same thing happened in the Vikings game earlier and they got it right there as well.

2. the Giants secondary got away with holding and illegal contact all game long, and you’re gonna complain about the one time where it was called? LOL talk about fooling yourself.

3. how about the missed call on JPP at the end of the first half that cost the Packers three points? conveniently Giants fans neglect to mention that one, and if it was called correctly the game is never tied at the end.

4. how about the blown fair catch call that gave the Giants 20 yards of field position, plus ten more that would have been taken away if the invalid fair catch signal was called correctly? Conveniently, Giants fans ignore that one as well.

5. How about the obvious holding and illegal hands to the face against BJ Raji on the game tying two point conversion? Conveniently Giants fans didn’t notice that one either.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 5, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Why are almost all Giants fans ignoring all the calls that favored the Giants?

And then saying the Packers were favored, I just don’t get it. Are you choosing to ignore the calls that went your way, in search for an excuse for why you lost?

Come on. You are ridiculously biased if you believe the crappy ref-ing wasn’t equally crappy on both sides.

Good times never seemed so good!

by Celtin on Dec 5, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

excuse-making, it's what losers do

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 6, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

that's harsh

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!

by wilddre22 on Dec 6, 2011 6:25 AM CST up reply actions  

there are conspiracy theorists in every circle

besides, you’re on an 18 game winning streak. losing 4 in a row and continuing what is now a trend of second half collapses tends to bring the crazies out.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!

by wilddre22 on Dec 7, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh no....

articles about reffing…..though not the same as the “other” variety.

Still would rather not see them at all, but there was a lot of back and forth last night.

In Every Climb and Place....

by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

I blame the refs for greasing Finley up between snaps.

Hands were too slippery to catch the ball!

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Dec 5, 2011 12:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

So that is what happened?

by MikeDB on Dec 5, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

what a joke

If Giants fans want to say that they were just bitter after a loss and that’s what this complaining about the reds is, I can live with that. However if they actually expect us to eat this tripe, they need to sober up.

The Ballard TD catch had no conclusive evidence that he was in. There is a picture that makes it appear that he was in, but its a shot from above, how in the world can you see his knee being down from above? That’s right, you can’t. On top of that, on the replay you can see the black pellets show up out of bounds when his knee hits, which would insinuate that he was out of bounds.

The Jennings catch was a catch, but the terrible calls with end zone plays recently allow the Giants fans to think otherwise. I like to think of it this way: if Jennings had the ball in the palm of his hands, instead of the finger tips and it moved in the exact same way and was then knocked out of the palm of his hands by the defender… Would anyone even talk about? The only reason why we are talking about it is that it was held onto by his finger tips, but the ball was clearly not moving.

If you take away those 2 calls the Giants complaining fans have no basis to stand. There wasn’t a single call against the Giants made that wasn’t the exact same scenario for the Packers. Remember that holding call on Woodson when Burnett made the catch out of bounds on the pass to Nicks? Well that was no worse than what was happening to Finley all game and going largely uncalled.

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Dec 5, 2011 1:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

sorry for spelling mistakes

Like reds instead of refs, my predict text on my phone gets annoying.

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Dec 5, 2011 1:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I just thought you that were comparing the refs to commies.

by Wisfan on Dec 5, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

the biggest thing I noticed was the Giants secondary getting away with grabbing, holding, and hitting all game long

This is the second time we’ve seen a team use this strategy extensively, the Bucs did it all game as well.

My guess is that they know the refs won’t call it every time, so they do it on just about every play and are willing to deal with the few times it does get called in order to get the overall advantage of keeping the receivers in check.

It’s the same strategy New England used against the Colts receivers in 2003 and 2004, and which the Steelers used against them earlier this year.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 5, 2011 2:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

The refs basically gave every game this year away.

Really, the Packers should be 0-12, but they’re not, thanks to the refs.
/I could be a Giants fan!

12-0
Giants? Check.

by arodgb on Dec 5, 2011 3:10 PM CST reply actions   4 recs

#GIANTSFANS4MVP

Good times never seemed so good!

by Celtin on Dec 5, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Why are there Refs anyways?

I know they don’t want to lose the human element but it seems that with instant replay available they (being the refs vs instant replay) constanly contradict eachother. I’m all for keeping human refs, but the broadcast doesnt help by continually instigating it.

"Football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."

by dieapack on Dec 5, 2011 7:33 PM CST reply actions  

I agree that the broadcasters don't help.

Aikman fixated on the one illegal contact penalty that was called on the Giants, it didn’t help that it was kind of a weak call but he knew watching that game that the Giants were getting away with a lot of contact and he could have pointed that out. But instead the average fan watching thinks the Giants got screwed.

by Wisfan on Dec 5, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I only get angry

at bad calls and dropped passes. So you can imagine how annoyed I was yesterday but all is well after seeing 12-0 on every Green Bay Packers homepage. ;)

"Football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."

by dieapack on Dec 5, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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