Charles Woodson Fined $15,000 For Hit On Eli Manning

by Brandon on Dec 9, 2011 5:00 PM CST in Green Bay Packers News

Packersnews.com | Green Bay Packers | Insiders Blog " Woodson fined for hit on Manning. I understand the fine, but it's not very fair to Charles Woodson either.

Woodson definitely hit Eli Manning. He came on a blitz and raised his arms to block the pass. When his arm came down, it grazed the right side of Manning's head. He was being blocked at the time, and it certainly had an effect on where his arm came down. It didn't look like an intentional hit. Did he really deserve a $15,000 fine?

I think two things come into play. Pro Football Talk points out that this is his second fine of the season, so the NFL probably charges extra for being a repeat offender. And other players, like Lions TE Brandon Pettigrew, who was stupid enough to make contact with a ref (he's apologized a lot), was hit with a $25,000 fine.

Though I'm not sure Mathias Kiwanuka did anything to deserve a $7,500 fine either. It was clearly a facemask, but it didn't look intentional and he quickly released it. I guess that's just the way it goes in the fine crazy NFL.

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If Chuck gets fined for grazing Eli

Then Harrison gets drawn and quartered for trying to cripple McCoy?

by Big10freak on Dec 9, 2011 5:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs

We all know touching the QB's helmet is a penalty

… except when it isn’t

by DaveInTucson on Dec 9, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions 5 recs

old wounds...

so frustrating

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 9, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions

but in the end

The Steelers wind up getting a mystery call, extend the drive and beat the Cardinals to “win” the SuperBowl.
Kharma??

by Farveuless Pack on Dec 10, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions

that was the year before

the year this photo happened was the year the Saints won the Super Bowl

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 10, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions

The play before that was actually worse

We he actually did get a helmet to helmet that wasn’t even called. So that was two straight plays that he got jacked with no flags. I can remember a few other plays (not the same game) where it didn’t get called either. It seemed that the refs (up until this year) didn’t like calling hits on Rodgers, no matter how blatant they were.

by TXPackerBacker on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

I've seen plenty that have gone uncalled this year

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions

It's kind of ridiculous

how some QBs get calls & some don’t. You graze Peyton (or now, Eli) & Brady’s helmet & it’s an automatic 15, but Rodgers, Roethlisberger (hell, his nose was broken, and there wasn’t a flag), and others just simply do not get the call.

13.

by Wiedmann on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Rodgers got a pretty tacky call during the Lions game, I believe...

and that was after Clay nailed the QB after 2 full steps and got nothing. It’s not a perfect system but it works both ways.

In Every Climb and Place....

by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 10, 2011 4:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

according to him he had a noticeable cut on his chin from the Vanden Bosch hit in the Lions game

which would indicate that it was indeed helmet to helmet and they got the call right.

I also saw him get slammed by Fairley another time in that game with no call

I get what you’re saying about Matthews though, seems to me he gets away with hitting QBs late quite a bit, he did it to Eli in the endzone last weekend as well.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 10, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions

But it's a conspiracy I tell ya!

The refs throw a flag for just touching Rodgers! You know, it’s funny how everyone thinks that Rodgers gets flags all the time. Sure, a couple of them this year were kinda iffy, but compared to how many we’ve seen that were ridiculously obvious that haven’t been called, it hasn’t even come close to evening out yet. Just like in the Skins game last year when he got his first known concussion. I don’t know how the refs didn’t see the H2H hit on Rodgers. it’s like they tell him to shake it off and quit being a wuss.

by TXPackerBacker on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Nope.

That's perfectly acceptable.

by mike_o on Dec 9, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions

I hate thinking about that game.

Winning the SB the next year has lessened the pain substantially, but I still cringe when I see media about it.

Good times never seemed so good!

by Celtin on Dec 9, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions

I don't agree with the fine

The NFL changed the rule for touching QB’s helmets over the off season. Now, the contact has to be intentional for it to draw a penalty. I didn’t think Wood’s hit on Manning was intentional, and it was not at all flagrant.

Harrison’s on the other hand was. It wasn’t a case where the other player was ducking into it, no, Harrison lead with his helmet into McCoy’s helmet when he could have very easily led with his shoulder into the gut for a proper tackle. The league has said that it will suspend repeat offenders for these types of hits, and this is a perfect opportunity to show that they won’t stand for this crap. Otherwise their bluff has been called.

by Shoes31 on Dec 9, 2011 5:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Maybe Chuck was a scapegoat...

the NFL had to show that they weren’t trying to make GB look like the Golden Boys so the conspiracy can continue! Nah, I think it was a bogus fine too. It looked more like Woodson was going to block the pass, then just grazed the helmet. It was more of a incidental momentum hit that he couldn’t stop.

Harrison also watched McCoy get rid of the ball THEN he lowered his helmet for the hit. That was pretty ugly, because he came right up with the crown directly under Colt’s facemask. I bet his head was ringing a bit after that one.

by TXPackerBacker on Dec 9, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, I don't think it warranted a fine whatsoever.

Watching the play I think it did call for a flag, (but just barely, he obviously wasn’t trying to hit Eli and he only grazed his helmet) But I can’t see in any way how it warrants a fine AT ALL.

If that’s a fine, James Harrison should be suspended the next 3 games for his hit on McCoy.

Good times never seemed so good!

by Celtin on Dec 9, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I think you hit the nail on the head

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 9, 2011 9:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

I hope he didn't, he might be out 25k

by Danwood on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

i'd say it was ringing.

it concussed him.

In love with the new Gaknar avatar.

by threadkiller on Dec 9, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions

I'm reading this as a refinement thing

A la roughing/running into the kicker. They know they gotta do something about it, but the actual mechanism is still so new and it’s getting redefined every offseason. I would expect that this will go on for a few more years and we will have finally arrived at a solution which may not be perfect for every situation, but will be clearly understood by everyone involved.

The definition of a “catch”, OTOH, may never be fully documented.

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by Clutch16 on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

I like this post...

I’m so tired of the bitching….

People bitch when the rules are enforced strictly, then bitch when they aren’t.

The game is always changing and so are the rules, and it takes time to change philosophies and teach the personel the way you want things done. That goes for the enforcement portion of that as well.

In Every Climb and Place....

by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 10, 2011 4:03 AM CST up reply actions

That's how it's always been.

It’s why you will hear an entire stadium boo a bad PI against the home team while cheering for a bad one against the opposition.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 10, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

I can go with that.

It’s gonna be a learning process for both the players and the refs. It’s pretty bad when even the ex-VP of officiating (Mike P.) doesn’t even know what the rules are anymore. This is an even better argument why the NFL needs full time refs instead of weekend warriors. Guys who constantly train as to what the rules are and what should and shouldn’t be called.

by TXPackerBacker on Dec 10, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions

They could go younger too...

not that those older guys out there aren’t in great shape for their age or anything…

but they can take a beating just like players

In Every Climb and Place....

by PhoenicianPakFan on Dec 10, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions

Well,

the NFL had to show that they weren’t trying to make GB look like the Golden Boys

isn’t that what GB stands for?

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

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by NorthStarr on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions

Micheal Silver

might just say that we’re an extension of the Cal Golden Bears because we have Rodgers and Bishop

by TXPackerBacker on Dec 9, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions

You are right about Harrison

and the league, if that hit doesn’t get a suspension what or how many will?

by Wisfan on Dec 9, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions

I agree 100% with Harrison's defense

The QB was running. If Harrison went in there weak, QB makes a decent play and potentially gets a first down. He’s a runner. This is the call Mike Vick was bitching and whining about NOT getting earlier this year. The guy is a runner at that point. He doesn’t throw a pass. He latterals. If he doesn’t want to get hit, the sissy should slide.

Woodson’s was also a weak call. If Rodger’s wasn’t an intentional helmet hit in the playoffs, then Woodson’s was the same.

I hate the skirt-a-fication the NFL is going through. It’s seriously pathetic. Doing something dirty and intentional like Suh and the dirty bird last year is one thing. 85% of the penalties this year have been jokes.

by Nels Winkler on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions

I didn't think the hit on McCoy was as bad as people are saying

he had the ball tucked under his arm like a runner, in which case it would have been perfectly legal to hit him helmet to helmet, and then at the last second when Harrison has him lined up, he flips the ball over Harrison to the receiver, thus becoming a passer again.

I think it deserved a flag and something like a 20-50 k fine, but no way that should be a suspension

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions

I think the reason that it would be a suspension

is more due to how many times Harrison has been flagged/fined for helmet to helmet hits and the like. If you watch that play, McCoy did try to run a bit, and Harrison was watching him. He also watched him throw the ball, and after McCoy released is when he lowered his head for the hit. He needs to learn that his helmet is not what you use to hit the QB (or others for that matter). That’s what’s getting him in trouble.

by TXPackerBacker on Dec 9, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

true, it has definitely become a pattern of behaviour with Harrison

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions

The problem I have with the hit

Is that Harrison had PLENTY of time to lower his shoulder. McCoy didn’t duck into the impact, or try to run around the hit at all. Yes, McCoy was near the LOS and acting as a runner, but he ended up passing the ball.

There was absolutely no reason for Harrison to cause helmet to helmet contact. He didn’t even try to lead with his shoulder and do a proper tackle. I dislike the penalty being called on defenseless receivers when the duck into the hit, because the defender can’t control that. But McCoy didn’t duck into it, and Harrison decided to use his helmet as a ram. And due to what the league has said, that it will suspend repeat offenders, its about time they do in order to stop plays like that.

by Shoes31 on Dec 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Haters be hating

by king.nothing on Dec 9, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions

that fine is just a joke

I have no idea what the league’s thinking here. Reminds me of the Suh shove on Cutler last year. I can see it being flagged, but I have no idea how you could review it the next couple days and still say a fine is called for.

Ridiculous.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

I agree

I think both of those plays looked worse live than they actually were. I understand why they threw the flag agains Woodson, but I don’t get the fine.

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by Zundar on Dec 10, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions

and meanwhile, on a completion in the second Quarter a Giant smacks Rodgers in the head and no call

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Dec 10, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions

Manning wasn't even knocked down on the play

He just stumbled backwards. There was absolutely nothing rough about the play and it didn’t deserve a penalty or a fine. There was no chance of anyone being hurt on this play especially because EVERYONE IS WEARING PROTECTIVE PADDING. Maybe Manning is at risk for injury, but that’s why facemasks are mandatory. So no one is injured and we should have forgotten about this play immediately after it happened.

by mladwig0 on Dec 10, 2011 1:51 AM CST reply actions 3 recs

What an odd choice for a header pic...

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 10, 2011 7:46 AM CST reply actions

Anyone have a video or gif of this hit?

I missed most of the game because of a party, but I have it on my DVR – anyone recall down-and-distance/quarter/time on clock?

by Archibaldcrane on Dec 10, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions

It was early in the 2nd quarter:

1-10-NYG36 (13:33) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to V.Cruz [C.Woodson]. PENALTY on GB-C.Woodson, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at NYG 36 – No Play.

The Giants ended up punting 4 plays later.

by DaveInTucson on Dec 10, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions