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Tip your "cap" to these guys, cause they're as good as gone

Pardon the pun in the headline. Obviously, not all these guys are going to be gone, but I thought I would group together all the larger salaries, and sort of take a step back & consider the possibility of who should & shouldn't be on the payroll for this upcoming season. I have listed all players whose salary next year exceeds $1,000,000. Asterisks indicate that 2011 is the final year of their current contract.

They're clearly staying, so, not much to think about here. Plug & play, these guys earn their salaries:
QB Aaron Rodgers ($7.25 mil + $500k roster bonus)
WR Greg Jennings ($2.7 mil)
TE Jermichael Finley ($1.2 mil)*
C Scott Wells ($2.75 million + $200,000 roster bonus)*
G Josh Sitton ($1.2 million)*
T Bryan Bulaga ($405,000 + $3.95 mil option bonus)
ILB Desmond Bishop ($1.188 mil)
CB Charles Woodson ($7.85 mil)
CB Tramon Williams ($1 mil + $3.5 mil roster bonus)
S Nick Collins ($2.9 mil)

This next tier is guys who have history here and are quite likely to return. There is some questions about these guys returning, but mostly not because of cap space:

RB Ryan Grant ($3.5 mil + $250k roster bonus)*
How much has the injury affected his play? Does the coaching staff have enough faith in James Starks to make him the feature back? I think the answer to those two questions are not much & no, respectively. However, he is getting up in years (for an NFL RB), and I would think there would be some decline in his production. Barring any "cratering" of ability, I think we'll have #25 in the backfield for the upcoming season.

WR Donald Driver ($4.1 mil + $700k roster bonus)
He could potentially retire, but I think it is quite unlikely. He has done so much for the organization, that I think they're going to allow him to retire as a Packer after playing his whole career here. His salary may be more than he's worth, but they'll let him go under his own terms, and that's the right move.

T Chad Clifton ($5.25 mil + $203k roster bonus)
See: Driver, Donald

DL Ryan Pickett ($2.7 million)
This is the only salary cap fatality I could see in this group. If they wanted to free up cap room on the D-Line to re-sign Cullen Jenkins, they may cut Pickett loose. I think it's highly unlikely, though.

DB Jarrett Bush ($1.4 mil)*
He's a special teams demon, but I still think his coverage skills are lacking. He will almost certainly be back. Let's just hope it is confined entirely to non-defensive plays.

Star-divide


...and so we reach the guys who have to sweat it out. These are not bad players, but in the salary cap world of the NFL, competition & finances both play a role in determining who makes the active roster.
TE Donald Lee ($2.2 mil)*
He's been outplayed by every other TE on the roster. Crabtree is a better blocker. Finley is a better receiver. "God's Gifts"....well, he has better upside than Lee, and has shown flashes of brilliance, if it is at times inconsistent. In the H-back formation, Crabtree & Quarless have been the ones lining up in the backfield, not Lee. Add in to that the fact he's set to make $1 mil more than Finley, 5 times more than the other two, is in the final year of his deal, and I just don't see a reason for him to return, even if we were to keep 4 TEs on the roster again this year. That's not a knock on Lee, who is a solid player, but just a testament to how strong we are at TE.

T Mark Tauscher ($4.1 mil + $281k roster bonus)*
He's the most likely player on the roster to retire, and even if he doesn't, that's looking like quite a fat salary for a backup T. I have always liked him quite a bit, local boy makes good, plays for the hometown teams UW & GB (always seemed like a really cool person, too), so it does pain me to say this, but I think he should step out the door. If we encounter injury problems on the OL, I think we could just give him a jingle & have him fill in, like he did last time we were in that situation.

DL Johnny Jolly ($2.521 million)*
Here's an interesting case. He certainly did himself no favors with his legal issues, and may not even be granted reinstatement to the NFL. That's just one hurdle he has to clear. How has he maintained himself while he was out of football? While he was out, there were some other players who stepped up along the defensive line, making him appear expendable. I don't know if I totally buy that, though. I think, barring any further legal indiscretions or extended NFL suspension, he will be at training camp (if there is one this year), and the coaches will evaluate where he is at physically. I think all that will factor in more than his potential cap number.

ILB A.J. Hawk ($10 million)
ILB Nick Barnett ($5.5 mil + $375k roster bonus)
ILB Brandon Chillar ($2 million)
These three are intertwined, because it's pretty clear they're not all going to be on the roster with these salaries. Hawk has the largest salary, but also is the only one who didn't finish the season on IR. He showed his value to the team this year. That being said, there's no way he's getting $10 million from the Packers next season. Obviously, the team's first priority is to get him to renegotiate his contract to get it a little more manageable, say in the $3-6 million range. Depending on how these negotiations go, he may or may not be in Green & Gold next year. I think he has to know that his contract is ridiculous, and I think he's decent & reasonable enough to bring it down to stay with the World Champs. Barnett is another who would do well to renegotiate or fear the slice of the blade. However, I don't necessarily think that he has to renegotiate to stay. He has been a leader of the defense for many years, but he is another year older, and sustained another injury. $5.875 million could go a long way to securing a certain FA CB, who may have some trouble with the TSA, if he flew commercially. Chillar, I think has a pretty clearly defined role in the nickel, which sets him apart from the other ILBs. I'd say he's pretty much a lock to make this salary next year as a member of the GB Packers.

OLB Brady Poppinga ($2.05 million + $300,000 roster bonus)
He's as good as gone. He's 32, injured the same knee last season that he did as a rookie, and hasn't really done a whole lot so far in his pro career. There is no reason to hold on to him after what Zombo/Walden/Jones have done this past season (well, maybe not Jones, but he was the starter coming out of camp). He's solid depth, but we have plenty of that at OLB, what we need is an impact player there, and he is not that.

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I've seen this in basketball, but...

Can football players have money deferred?

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by mike_o on Feb 17, 2011 8:29 AM CST reply actions  

I think so.

I remember Favre’s salary was pretty huge for most of the Sherman era, but he was willing to take a cut so the team could bring in FA’s and remain competitive.

That what you meant?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 17, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I think so.

If he’s making $10 million, they could pay him $4M in 2011, $3M in 2012, and another $3M in 2013.

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by mike_o on Feb 17, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

D'oh!

We both put I think so up here ^

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by mike_o on Feb 17, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Deferment

Favre didn’t take pay cuts; he deferred his compensation to later dates. I think at least once the front office reduced a large Favre cap figure by converting the money to a bonus payment spread out over several seasons, freeing up cap space for that season. Certainly, it was good of Favre to be willing to work with the team regarding his compensation, but Favre never lost any money doing those deals. Too much flexibility exists in the salary cap system for a player to take a cut; there’s a myriad of ways to move the money around.

by Packer Pete on Feb 18, 2011 6:17 AM CST up reply actions  

...and a tip of the cap to you as well, Miss Corningstone.

Nice article! Really good writing. I liked the description of Nnamdi. We’ll never sign him in a million years, but it is fun to dream about.

I agree with everything you said except Hawk’s salary range. You said 3-6 mil. I’d say more like 6-7. The guy has led the team in tackles pretty much every year he’s been here. $10 million per year is a bit too high, but I wouldn’t say it’s completely ridiculous.

…especially considering how much TT likes white LBs. …kidding! I kid!

…although… Chillar, Hawk, Matthews, Zombo, Poppinga… I mean, when your GM was himself a white LB… At some point it starts to get a little weird.

by Curly Lambeau on Feb 17, 2011 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Isn't Chillar Indian?

and, if he signs for 6 mil, then we’re both right.

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by Wiedmann on Feb 17, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

6M

Thats about the number that I expect… Your 3-6M is on the low side… No way Hawk signs for 3 or 4M. 5M might get it done, but I think 6M is the number that we should be focused on. Basically sign Hawk to the contract, for the amount that Barnett is schedule for… 7M would be too high, IMO!

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by Strohman on Feb 17, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

So, 6 mil is too low, but 7 mil is too high?

If you expect 6, that’s right in the range I gave.

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by Wiedmann on Feb 17, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No 5M is might be too low and 7M is too high!!!

6M is the right number! THe majority of your 3-6M is way too low! Not to mention is way to wide of a range… A range of 4M on a 6M salary is huge! your just focusing on the 6M now, but what about the 3M to 5M numbers that you brought up?!

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by Strohman on Feb 17, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Hawk isn't signing for 3m, 4M, or even 5M...

6M should get it done! Your range covers half the solar system… LOL

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by Strohman on Feb 17, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Or you could even say something positive like

“I agree with your range, but you could even narrow it somewhat on the lower end, as I think it will be in the upper end of your range.”

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by Wiedmann on Feb 17, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

But I don't agree w/ your range!

Only part of your range that makes any sense is the 6M part! Not the rest from 3-5M!!!

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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't change my original thought...

That your range is ridiculous!

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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions  

...oh brother!

Alright, that’s it..

Stroh, in the future, please do not comment on any discussion thread that I start. It’s not possible to discuss things around you.

by Curly Lambeau on Feb 18, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

you see...

it baffles me how someone so logical can be so unreasonable. He is but an enigma. Makes no sense to argue with him, you dont get anywhere, even when you’re right. lol

by MikeyG76 on Feb 18, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

So your saying see I was right...

Cuz you said a range of 3-6M? Thats like saying I’m right when I say 3+3 = 3-6… I could live w/ 5-6M thats a reasonable range. All I’m saying!

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by Strohman on Feb 18, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL good luck with that.

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by TrevorR on Feb 19, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

what an argument…glad to see its someone else for once.

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by TrevorR on Feb 18, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

amen

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by Ben T on Feb 18, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

GET OFF MY BOAT LAUNCH!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 20, 2011 1:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I should flag you for excessive use of explanation marks

It’s really out of line….

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by Jabooty on Feb 21, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Mmmm, Nndami.

I know it will never happen, but what fun to speculate. I mean, has there ever been an NFL game with zero completions?

by bob47 on Feb 17, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe close?

Wasn’t there a game between Buffalo and I think it was Cleveland maybe two seasons ago where the Browns won without making a pass

by pharom on Feb 18, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Took the time to look it up

Anderson was 2/17 with 0 TDs and 1 INT, Browns win 6-3 on 117 yards from 31 carries from Jamal Lewis, one carry for 31 yards from Josh Cribbs, and a horrible horrible horrible Bills team

by pharom on Feb 18, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

All you had to do was say the Buffalo Bills...

The horrible horrible horrible part is just assumed nowadays.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 18, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I was at that game

Terrible waste of time, never been more bored at a football game in my life…

shoulda just stayed in the parking lot and kept drinking

by Sheegan on Feb 19, 2011 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember that one

This is Evidence A that you do not need a good QB to win games. Please forward this to the Minnesota Vikings. Oh, wait, they already got the memo……

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by Jabooty on Feb 21, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

How I see it:

Poppinga, Barnett, Jolly, Tauscher, Lee, and either Pickett or Jenkins, should all be gone.

Hawk needs to re-negotiate his contract to where he’s getting paid approximately what Barnett would have gotten paid (between 5 and 6)

On a side note – HOW is Aaron Rodgers so cheap? This is amazing, they have the best QB in the NFL, and they have him for probably one of the bottom ten starting QB salaries in the league… That’s great for the team… Hopefully he doesn’t go Peyton Manning on us and demand to be the highest paid in the league and cripple the rest of the roster in doing so

by Sheegan on Feb 19, 2011 2:16 AM CST reply actions  

HOW is Aaron Rodgers so cheap?

Cuz Thompson was sure of what he had 5 games into Rodgers NFL career and signed him to a good contract… A contract which Thompson was roundly critisized for, and which Rodgers has now out-played!! And since Rodgers is only 2 years into that contract, it won’t be renegotiated for another year or 2!

A great Franchise QB, can indeed cripple the rest of the roster! Hopefully Rodgers won’t ever get to the point of being that highly paid… If he does is gonna cost us throughout the rest of the roster!!

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by Strohman on Feb 19, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I bet they’ll renegotiate even sooner than that…cause he’s going to win us another title and have his best year yet next year! I hope they can hold him off for 2 more years though…

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by TrevorR on Feb 19, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

well at some point you HAVE to give him a new one so he doesn’t become disenchanted.

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by TrevorR on Feb 21, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not like he's ridiculously underpaid or something

It’s not Brady/Manning money, but I don’t think he has as big of an ego as do those two. I think he understands that he could have a huge contract, but it would negatively affect the team in terms of winning titles.

2011: $7.25 mil (500k roster & 500k workout bonuses)
2012: $8 mil (500k roster & 500k workout bonuses)
2013: $9.25 mil (500k roster & 500k workout bonuses)
2014: $10.5 mil (500k roster & 500k workout bonuses)

I don’t think he’s going to look down at his hand in 2013 & think, “Boy, these three rings are nice, but I wish I was making more than $10.25 million this upcoming season.”

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by Wiedmann on Feb 21, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

At what point should he be making what Favre was?

I think, especially if they win more SB, he will have to be re-negotiated… I don’t think he’ll get greedy, but he would have to get a new contract by ‘13… Up to somewhere in the 15M range maybe… If it goes into the ’13 season, and he has another SB, he would be making half what Brady and Manning make, and I don’t think that would fly!

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by Strohman on Feb 21, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't that fly?

and I’m sure he loves the comparison to Favre.

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by Wiedmann on Feb 21, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Would you be happy making half what others in your field at your level are making?

Didn’t think so… And I didn’t compare him to Favre, just making a point that he deserves to be paid much more soon!

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by Strohman on Feb 21, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be quite happy to make $10 mil a year to play a game.

You are thinking Rodgers is selfish. I am thinking he is not.

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by Wiedmann on Feb 21, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he's selfish...

But he’s also not dumb. THink of it like this. Your a mgr somewhere and are making 35K and you find out another mgr that you think you are as good as is making 70K. How would you feel then?

No player is going to accept being THAT underpaid for that long! He’s already underpaid, based on his accomplishments to date, and your expecting him to continue to be that way for another 3+ years? That is not going to happen… I expect the Packers to approach him about an extension after next season, after the ’12 season at the latest!

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by Strohman on Feb 21, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, I would be happy I was making $35 mil

I don’t think he’s THAT underpaid. He is underpaid relatively, but Manning & Brady are overpaid. He knows he will be treated fairly by the organization; you gotta imagine we have some good will built up after being the team to stop his fall in the draft, and giving him a large contract (and being largely criticized for it, at the time). Less than a decade ago he was playing for Butte Community College; let’s not forget his humble beginnings. Humility & quiet confidence exude from him, and it’s not because of the zeroes in his contract. The contract is escalating; we’ll give him a pay raise & extension down the road, but it won’t be because he’s squeezing us for it.

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by Wiedmann on Feb 21, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, *35k

but I’d be happy with that too!

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by Wiedmann on Feb 21, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Treated fairly

So do you think being paid half of what others on your level of production in your level if industry is being treated fairly? Come on man… You know you don’t believe that!

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by Strohman on Feb 22, 2011 4:47 AM CST up reply actions  

What if you were $50 a day to eat meals?

It’s something you do already. Would you complain that there were other people who were paid $100/day to eat meals?

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by Wiedmann on Feb 22, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I would want to be treated fairly!

I don’t care what it is… As long as I’m making what others of my productivity are getting… Might accept slightly less in some situations, like if they have more experience, but even then, If I’m as productive, I want equal pay/benefits!

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by Strohman on Feb 22, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You are looking at it from the perspective of a guy who’s making $5 to eat the meals thinking heck I’d be thrilled just to be able to make half of what the top paid guy makes but that isn’t the position Rodgers is in…

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by TrevorR on Feb 23, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not like he has been anointed since high school

This is a guy who had to start his college career at a community college. He’s not an egomaniac like Manning/Brady.

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by Wiedmann on Feb 23, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm agreeing with Stroh on this one

That doesn’t mean Rodgers’ is selffish, he will just want a fair compensation for what he does. That doesn’t make him any different from any other player in the league, because it’s human nature. Every player is like that. His contract will likely be renegotiated if he wins the Superbowl next season or the season after.

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by Jabooty on Feb 21, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I am definitely NOT a selfish person. In fact I am totally content in making what I make. But if I found out that someone at my company who does exactly what I do at the same level that I do it at was making twice as much as me…I would be VERY annoyed. I really mean that I am not selfish about money. My wife constantly talks about how she thinks I should be making more at my company and stuff and I am totally content making what I am…but yeah I wouldn’t be a happy camper in that situation so I have to side with Stroh on this one (and you know that doesn’t happen all the time haha)

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by TrevorR on Feb 23, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

But where is the line drawn..

For a player to realize he would be helping the team? I agree on both parts of this argument. I could see a raise coming to around the 12-14M range. However, I would also believe and hope Rodgers would take the winning part of a team in consideration and keep it to that 12-14 range and not go beyond that to cripple the team. Look at Manning what does he have? A lot of money… Thats it. His team is scraped with less talent and his possibility of returning to the SB are slim.

I agree that every player wants to get paid but every player also wants to win. Some are more greedy in one over the other. I would think Rodgers would take just a few million more to win more rings. Rather than a bigger increase of 6+M and have an average team

by bizzle4 on Feb 23, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

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