What are Green Bay's priorities for the 2011 draft?
Now that we've all had a month to bask in the glory of the Lombardi Trophy being back home, it's time to look ahead to how the Green Bay Packers can continue building a dynasty.
Undoubtedly, there is a very strong nucleus of players on both sides of the ball. The offense, clearly built around Aaron Rodgers, also features stars such as Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley as well as promising up-and-comers in Jordy Nelson, James Starks, Josh Sitton, and Bryan Bulaga.
On defense, we have two of the most dominant, versatile defenders in the league in Charles Woodson and Clay Matthews III. Tramon Williams is arguably the best cover corner in the NFC. Nick Collins is a perennial Pro Bowler rangy free safety, who might also be the best safety in the NFC. On top of that, the future is promising at ILB where Desmond Bishop and A.J. Hawk will be punishing the opposition together until at least 2014. B.J. Raji was quietly becoming one of the dominant, young 3-4 anchors in the NFC before he had to start making national headlines when he sealed the NFC championship game with his pick-six belly dance--so much for going under the radar! Speaking of making waves, Sam Shields also decided showed us that we need not worry about a replacement at CB if/when Charles Woodson retires.
That being said, let's take a detailed look at every position and identify the areas where the Green Bay Packers need to improve most in order to become the dynasty we haven't had in Green Bay since the Lombardi era.
QB: Aaron Rodgers. Super Bowl MVP. 'Nough said. Matt Flynn isn't going anywhere according to Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson. Graham Harrell is apparently viewed quite favorably and could be groomed to replace Flynn who only has one year left on his original contract. Draft priority: Low. Unless the Packers get an offer they can't refuse for Matt Flynn, like 2 second-round picks or better, they probably won't be drafting a QB.
RB: Ryan Grant is coming back from Injured Reserve, but will be 29 this season, which puts him ever-closer to the terminal age of 30. James Starks is as big and athletically talented as Adrian Peterson, which is quite exciting if he can stay healthy. Dmitri Nance was picked up from the Atlanta Falcons this year when John Kuhn and Brandon Jackson failed to ignite the running game, but he was not very productive or exciting. Brandon Jackson is scheduled to become a free agent and was our best pass blocking and receiving RB, however, it's no secret that he wants to be a starter. Draft Priority: Low. It is likely that we'll see the Grant-Starks two-headed monster for this season. One of them will need to step up their passing blocking to make up for what Brandon Jackson did so excellently. However, I don't see the Packers finding a stellar pass blocking RB in the draft since college backs are rarely experts there.
WR: Greg Jennings is undoubtedly a perennial Pro Bowl-caliber player, however, with the other weapons that surround him, he will never lead the league in stats. Donald Driver is a tough-as-nails, fearless hometown hero that is, unfortunately, on the other side of the hill in his career. Jordy Nelson has shown a lot of promise, however, he needs to be a bit more consistent before he fully overtakes the WR2 spot. James Jones can make some tough catches look easy but, MAN, he can sure make some easy ones fall to the ground. With the exception of Jones–who was not re-signed before the current CBA expired on March 4 like AJ Hawk and Charlie Peprah–this receiving corps will come back and be expected to rank among the top units in the NFL. Draft Priority: Medium to High. With James Jones poised to test Free Agency, it is likely that the Packers will not return four starting caliber WRs next season unless the position is addressed in the draft. We know that Mike McCarthy loves to pass the ball and Ted Thompson has kept the position loaded over the years. If James Jones walks, expect a WR taken in the first three rounds.
TE: The stats 2010 season showed just how integral Jermichael Finley is to the offense. Before he was injured for the season, he was, by far, the leading receiver on the Packers. Afterwards, Jennings' stock skyrocketed and his stats garnered him a Pro Bowl bid. That being said, the TE unit struggled to fill the gaping void created by Jermichael Finley's absence. Donald Lee was recently released by the team. Andrew Quarless showed some progress and reminded some of us of the promise that Jermichael showed in his rookie year. Tom Crabtree made the team because of his tenacity and run-blocking ability. Draft priority: Low. With Finley coming back and both Quarless and Crabtree having a full season plus another off-season under their belts, expect this group to turn heads next year.
FB: Korey Hall was not offered a tender. John Kuhn was offered "right of first refusal" and is a fan favorite (KUUUUUUUUUUUUHN!). Quinn Johnson has made progress over the last two years and may be expected to be the fullback of the future. Draft priority: Low. There shouldn't be a fullback drafted unless he is a stellar Special Teams player.
OT: Chad Clifton may have been elected to the Pro Bowl, but anyone who watched him closely saw that he is beatable (giving up the most sacks in any single season he's had) and is growing older, obviously. Mark Tauscher was unable to maintain the miraculous comeback he made to solidify the O-Line in the second half 2009 and fell into IR yet again. While Bryan Bulaga stepped up quite well and demonstrated his versatility and worth as a first-round selection, offensive leader in penalties notwithstanding, he cannot play both RT and LT in the event that Clifton goes down too. Marshall Newhouse is said to have potential to become a starter but McCarthy probably needs to see the 1st-to-2nd year jump," which won't be evident until after the draft. T.J. Lang has spelled both the RT and the LT positions in the last two years and has made some strides, but doesn't seem like a lock to fill a starting role. Draft priority: High. While it is possible that Clifton could make it through another entire year without a major injury, his age sets the odds against him. Newhouse and Lang are not guaranteed starting caliber yet, in fact it seems Newhouse is thought of more of a guard than a tackle. Tauscher may not even make the final cut this season if he doesn't heal very well. If I'm Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy, I understand the gravity of protecting the Champion's blind side and take a talented tackle when the board says the value is there on Day 1 (first round) or Day 2 (second and third round).
OG: Josh Sitton will be an All Pro this coming season barring any major setbacks now that he has a championship ring–he hardly got beat in the run or pass game this season and tended to maul opponents who dared to cross his path. Daryn Colledge wishes that he could say the same. While he wasn't atrocious, he surely wasn't spectacular. Behind these two, there is Jason Spitz, who was not offered a tender, and Nick McDonald, who McCarthy seems to like and could also have a future at center. As mentioned above, Newhouse is also playing as a guard. Evan Dietrich-Smith, dunno enough about him. Draft priority: Medium to high. If you look back at Ted Thompson's drafts, he almost always has a big man on either side of the ball. He knows that the game is won in the trenches and I wouldn't put it past him to pick up a guard and a tackle this year.
C: Scott Wells won the battle for center two years back and has performed quite well since. The only thing is that he is starting to get up there in years, now 30, but maybe that's why they have their eye on Nick McDonald. Draft priority: Low. I don't see them drafting a center. Perhaps if a good one is still floating around after the draft, they'd sign him for competition.
DEFENSE
NT: B.J. Raji, if he can stay healthy, will be a fixture and perennial Pro Bowler for the foreseeable future. Howard Green, as we saw in the Super Bowl, can rush the passer as well as plug the running lanes. Plus, if worse came to worst, Ryan Pickett could slide back over. Draft priority: Low. We have a wealth of riches in one of the most important positions in the 3-4 defense.
DE: As Brandon pointed out, the Packers did not get a deal done with Cullen Jenkins before the CBA deadline on Friday, March 4. That likely means that a desperate team will offer him more money than the Packers can, or are willing to, afford. That said, Ryan Pickett was quite solid on the other side. Mike Neal, while gone for most of the season on IR, impressed in limited action, as did C.J. Wilson who finished the year healthy. Jarius Wynn also played decently. Not to mention, the base defense for the Packers, totaling over half of the defensive snaps last season, is the 2-4-5 Nickel package. This means that we really only need two NT/DE/DT on the field for over half of every game. Nonetheless, Cullen Jenkins pass rushing presence will be missed and must be replaced. Draft priority: Medium. While it is not imperative to pick up another big-bodied pass rusher, don't be surprised if the Packers' brass nabs one in the early rounds. The defensive line is deep in this year's draft and the relative lack of gaping holes in the roster may allow us to grab a stud 5-technique DE that slips through the cracks in the early rounds.
ILB: We all know now that A.J. Hawk and Desmond Bishop are the playmaking ILB tandem of the future. Hopefully Brandon Chillar can make a full recovery and serve as a very reliable back-up. Nick Barnett could be the odd man out in Green Bay ILB corps. Draft priority: Medium. Pending the expected, upcoming decision on Barnett, we will likely have just three players at ILB and, given that LB is a great crossover for ST units, we can pretty much expect TT to add another ILB in the draft, if the price is right, or sign yet another street free agent with the potential to breakout.
OLB: Claymaker. Check. ... ... ... Yeah, the Packers' Defense would be mighty scary if we had someone reliable and fearsome opposite Clay Matthews (much like James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley of the Pittsburgh Steelers). That being said, because of the imposing presence of pass rushers like Bloodline, Jenkins, Woodson, Hawk, and Raji, the ROLB has drawn the benefit of one-on-one match-ups–a pass rusher's dream! That said, the likes of Brad Jones, Frank Zombo, and Erik Walden have respectably risen to the occasion when the opportunity presented itself. Ugh, Brady Poppinga is still on the team? Draft priority: Medium. Again, like the DE position, it is not imperative that we get a playmaker at ROLB, however, given the lack of needs, we can safely wager a pick on a player that has game-changing potential.
CB: If I see/hear another person saying that we should pick up Nnamdi Asomugha, I am going to be sick. With arguably the best starting tandem of CBs in the league in Charles Woodson and Tramon Williams, and a nickel back that actually plays the outside CB in nickel and dime packages in Sam Shields, whom is likely to replace Woodson one day, there simply isn't space (or, likely, salary cap room) for a player that will demand as much as Asomugha assuredly will. That being said, Pat Lee, Brandon Underwood, and Jarrett Bush need to start stepping up their game to make dime packages and injuries less worrisome for fans and, conversely, mouth-watering for opposing offenses. Draft priority: Medium to low. You can never have enough talent and depth at CB in the modern-era, pass-happy NFL!
S: Nick Collins is a great asset to have behind such a talented CB corps. Although a bit soft against the run, Morgan Burnett definitely showed some ball-hawking ability before he bowed out for the season. In relief, Charlie Peprah earned every dollar and snap in his recent two-year contract. Anthony Smith, who was surprisingly cut in 2009, was acquired for a conditional pick from the Jacksonville Jaguars and played well in relief. Derrick Martin also made some plays, but was actually cut and not re-signed (unlike Hawk), which came as a surprise given his reliability both as a backup and special teamer. Atari Bigby may also have seen his last days as a Packer after not receiving a tender offer. Apparently Anthony Levine, who's on the practice squad is thought to be a potential FS, is thought of favorably by the coaching staff. It's hard to imagine the Packers not having more than 3 safeties going into next season. Draft priority: Medium to low. Honestly, it'd be nice to see Derrick Martin and Anthony Smith come back, but we all know how Ted likes his team. That being said, the safety class is weak this year, as Rahim Moore is thought to be the top safety and several teams don't think of him anymore than a third-rounder. Thus, it may make sense to take the system veterans back in. This excludes Atari Bigby, who can't run fast enough to play in the NFL.
SPECIAL TEAMS
K: It's good to hear that Mason Crosby was given a 2nd round tender. However, it wouldn't be bad to make him compete again. He hardly forced touchbacks on his kickoffs this year, especially for having the reputation of a big-legged kicker. He's not exactly clutch, and whiffs on a lot of tackles taboot. Draft priority: Low. Most times only a couple/handful of kickers are selected so there could be one that might fall through the cracks into free agency. With Crosby's less-than-stellar year, I wouldn't bet against TT to give him some competition!
P: Hooray for Masthay! How long has it been since our punter wasn't terrible!?! Timmy the Red may well have been the X factor in the NFC Championship game against Devin Hester and the Bears. He was hitting and sticking punt after punt inside the twenty, ten, and five quite consistently as the Packers ran the Championship Gauntlet. Draft priority: None. There is absolutely no way that a punter is drafted. Masthay wasn't even drafted!
KR/PR: I am not going to put any names down here because I truly believe that Tramon Williams is way too valuable to be returning punts and Pat Lee, Sam Shields, Jordy Nelson, Brandon Jackson, James Starks, and everyone else are not good at returning kickoffs. (Oops. Names...) Draft priority: HIGH! I know that I've stated that there aren't any gaping holes on our roster, but this is the one. We NEED a dynamic returner. McCarthy's even taken the blame for not getting one, saying, "If a guy can be a good returner, we've got to have packages for him on offense, too." This sounds like they could actually take a WR/KR/PR with a pick. Perhaps Torrey Smith of Maryland or the 4.3 blazer, and arguably the best slot receiver prospect, Jerrel Jernigan of Troy (my preference) at the end of the second round could ignite the lackluster return game.
I would love to hear your feedback. I know that I am just one man, who–even with all the ambition to see the Packers through an objective lens–knows that bias is inevitable when I love a team this much!
Thanks for reading!
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Almost "spot on"
but in my opinion I would upgrade the center priority to medium and ILB priority to low. I would probably upgrade CB to medium because you can never really have too many CBs.
I’m pretty sure TT will go for best player available, but I do hope that best player is an OT or an OLB. With OLB I think it’s all-or-nothing. We’ve got plenty of depth but we could use a playmaker, as big-time OLBs make for great 3-4 defenses.
If we don’t go OLB or OT I’d like to see us get a WR or CB. Both are very important positions in today’s NFL. Not many teams have enough good CBs to guard a bunch of good WRs. DE would be nice also, primarily because there’s so many good ones in this draft.
Basically, I wouldn’t be surprised about anything TT does. I know some folks will say he doesn’t draft ____ position in the first or second rounds, but he hasn’t had enough drafts to really prove anything absolutely. I also think a lot will depend on FA, which will depend in turn on the CBA, so it’s pretty wide open. Personally, I hope we trade later-round picks for future picks because we have so much depth that it’d be hard for them to make the team anyways (depending on position, at least). Our depth also would allow us to trade up and grab a playmaker but that just seems unlikely.
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by I voted for Kodos on Mar 6, 2011 11:44 PM CST reply actions
Mesh what you said with what Kodos said and you have my opinions on this topic.
Well done. I was actually going to write something like this soon, but you beat me to it.
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Fair enough.
In regards to center, I thought that we were pretty well set there with Scott Wells and Nick McDonald and Evan Dietrich-Smith also able to fill the role. Hence the Low rating.
We have only 3 ILB if Nick Barnett goes down. We lost two to injuries this year. I think that we absolutely need a fourth at the position, even though our starters are very capable. Hence the Medium rating.
You are saying the same thing that I did about the OLB and CB position. We have the luxury of improving even though there is not a glaring need.
With the exception of our opinions about depth at center and ILB, basically all of the positions that you say we need help at I have at Medium, which suggests that we’ll probably draft somebody there but don’t need an immediate plug-and-play starter.
I would argue that TT might be willing to pull the trigger on another playmaker this year. He did it with Clay in the ‘09 draft. He knows that we’ll be fearsome if we can find someone else of that caliber. The only question is–does anyone have that sort of potential in this year’s draft? If Von Miller started to slide into the teens, I would love to see Thompson go up and get him.
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ILB
Barnett will be gone. So it will be Hawk, Chillar, and Bishop as the three. I could see a late round pick going to ILB but nothing higher than a 4th-5th rounder. OLB should be much higher than ILB. So if ILB is a medium need, than OLB should be a high need.
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--Ryan Clark, Pittsburgh S, on the Green Bay receivers
Point taken.
I guess that I weighted need based on depth a little more. I honestly don’t think that we have a “need” at ROLB, but rather it would be a luxury to pick up another dynamic playmaker there.
The only reason I say this is because I don’t see TT being hellbent on getting an OLB if there is a CB (like Brandon Harris), OT (like Carimi or Solder), OG (Danny Watkins), WR/KR (2nd round, Jernigan or Torrey Smith) available.
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The only reason that ROLB should be drafted is if a player is there who could start this year. We have enough decent ROLBs, but we don’t have a great one. If we can’t get a great one, than we shouldn’t draft one at all.
On the aspect of depth, I agree. In that case, ILB is a bigger need, because we don’t have the bodies to fill the roster at that position.
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Kerrigan will be long gone, IMO...
Wouldn’t want him anyway. Seems like an Aaron Kampman clone to me!
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Yeah, he's better suited to a 4-3 DE
and Stroh’s probably right about him not being there. He’ll probably go somewhere between 15-20.
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Brandon Harris
Just what we need… Another small CB! If we get a CB I hope like hell its someone w/ more size! Love Tramon and Sam, but w/ them starting we have really small CB and Harris would make it worse! Much rather have Jimmy Smith (unlikely) or Aaron WIlliams… Someone w/ a little size to match up w/ larger WR and maybe some TE. More versatility and better tackling than Shields!
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Good analysis
I would agree on most everthing you posted. I would say the OG position would be medium to low. I think Lang will be able to step in.
I would like for the Packers to get a Wes Welker type receiver/KR/PR. Little, smart , sure handed white dude that will go over the middle like Driver does and get first downs. I guess he doesn’t have to be white but no offense to the black players but most of the “fan favorites” for Green Bay or alot of other NFL teams for that matter, are white. “Kooooouhn” Welker, Collie, Heath Miller, Chris Cooley, etc. Anybody know of any prospects out there like that they would take late in the draft? White, Black or Hispanic we need somebody to replace the aging Sir Donald Driver.
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by Jake Da Snake on Mar 11, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
One small correction
Anthony Smith was not signed, he was acquired in a trade with Jacksonville (Although, it appears that since he was put on IR we don’t have to give any compensation [would have been a 7th rounder] to the Jags).
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Thanks for clearing that up.
I will edit accordingly.
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Excellent article.
Offensive line no. 1 priority. Rodgers is hit way too many times, either while in the pocket or scrambling out of it.
Another pass rusher is next.
Kick returner would be nice, but if we develop a dominant offensive line that allows us to control the ball in the 4th quarters, we won’t need him. The Bears’ best offensive weapon is their kick returner only because their offense sucks. I’d rather depend on a great offense.
You know that TT will come up with a couple of unknowns late in the draft that add more depth to the team. He has been brilliant in the draft.
Nice Article
The best player available will be taken in the first round and i doubt it will be a tackle unless there is a trade up in the draft. With all of the interest in Hawk from other teams will he be signed to a nice contract and then traded a la Corey Williams?
Two years of new drafts in one, for the SB Champs.
Capers has said that with getting Mike Neal and Morgan Burnett back, after early season injuries last year, he has two years of new draft players to work with this next year.
Just think; next year is still only year three of the transition to the 3-4.
Just want to see this Packers business machine keep rolling …
I don't disagree with your positions, and I think this was pretty well done.
Just remember: Ryan Grant was a backup RB at Notre Dame, and did not get a full season’s worth of carries until 2008. He may be 29, but it’s not like he’s got a million carries under his belt.
Charles Woodson is getting up there in years and might be converted to FS or SS. In that case, we WILL need a cornerback. And if Tramon Williams goes down (heaven forbid), we’re down to Jarret Bush as our nickelback. That’s not something I’d like to risk too often.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 7, 2011 12:18 PM CST reply actions
The time to get Woods replacement is now...
Love Shields too, but w/ him and Tramon we are pretty small at the CB spots! We need a larger CB that really can replace Woodson! CB should be a position that is looked at closely! One injury and our secondary suddenly is in precarious condtion! To me that makes CB a clear need! Another bigger more physical CB would be ideal!! Love to get Jimmy Smith, but that appears unlikely, so Aaron Williams would be a good alternative at 32…
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…especially considering how we seem to play nickel 90% of the time. (and the other 10% we’re in the dime.)
by Curly Lambeau on Mar 7, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Nickel is about 55% of all defensive snaps.
I acknowledged this fact, definitely. We can’t discount the growth and contribution of Pat Lee, Brandon Underwood, and even Jarrett Bush (Super Bowl pick looked like Chuck in action).
That said, I still think that they’ll address the position, just not that high since both Tramon Williams and Sam Shields are ascending stars in the league and they went undrafted.
When all is said and done, don’t forget about the job the CB coach, Joe Whitt Jr., has done! Don’t underestimate his ability coach up Underwood, Lee, and Bush.
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Bush got lucky with that pick
Don’t depend on that to happen often. I have NO confidence in Underwood or Lee either. We may not need a CB this year, but we will need to address this position in the next couple years!
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I think Underwood & Lee have room to grow
That being said, if we want to get a good CB through the draft, I’d have no problem with it.
Underwood may have signed his departure papers with his legal problems; if they plan on moving on without him then I would think CB gets bumped up a bit in terms of priority.
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100% agreed.
I am liking Sam Shields former teammate Brandon Harris. With Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara likely gone in the first 10-16 picks, it is possible that we might be able to get Harris unless his stock continues to rise.
Matt Bowen, a former NFL DB, assessed whether or not Patrick Peterson is the draft and indicated that Harris was the most polished CB of the group.
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He may be the most polished
but, IMO, Peterson is the best player in the draft. If Carolina doesn’t select him 1st overall, I think they will regret it.
Harris would be cool to get if he & Shields were close at The U. They could definitely learn together, and maybe Shields could get him caught up on the similarities( & differences) between the Capers scheme & the one they ran at Miami.
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No doubt about Peterson.
I just wrote Peterson off because I doubt TT will make any effort to get him in the event that he does slide.
I just wanted to throw a name into the hat. Harris could be available when we finally get to pick.
Jimmy Smith is 6’2" but I don’t see the Packers targeting him. He’s reportedly a headcase.
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Heard a little about him being a headcase, but the Packers will know if he is from the combine and interviews. I would rather see a CB w/ some size! Harris is just another smallish CB and we already have 2 of those w/ Tramon and Shields! Lets find one w/ a little more size! Smith, Aaron Williams or Ras I Dowling (2nd round)… Would be better picks, IMO than Harris!
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Dowling
I was following Dowling in the college season, and I liked what I saw. He is big, agile, and willing to be physical. The bad is that he was constantly injured the last two seasons. I could see him falling into the bottom of the third for us.
everything I've seen on Dowling has him in the 2nd round.
Don’t think he’ll last to the end of 3rd…
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Yeah if we can manage to get lucky and have an OL fall to us in the first
We should really consider Dowling in the 2nd. I also liked what I saw. Really athletic CB
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by Chief Oshkosh on Mar 7, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
Harris can cover though and is good in run support. I agree it’d be nice to see a guy with size taken but if there isn’t one (Smith or Williams), he’d be a good pick. It’d be ashame to see us draft a guy who isn’t as skilled as Harris is simply because he’s a couple of inches taller. Size, imo, can be overrated at times. A lot of these 5’ 9" to 5’ 10" CB’s have upper 30’s to low 40’s inch verticals. Yeah, against guys like Fitzgerald, Johnson, Johnson Jr., and Jackson they might struggle but so does pretty much every CB (no matter how tall they are). Tramon went up against taller guys like Marshall, Roy Williams, Randy Moss, Braylon Edwards, Sidney Rice, Roddy White, etc. and didn’t really get picked on deep at all because he has the athleticism to go up with those guys but more importantly, the cover skills to be in good position against those guys.
Hell, even a guy like Shields is 5’ 11" with tremendous athleticism. That’s not really “small” for a CB. I don’t think we absolutely need a bigger guy. We just need another guy who can cover and Harris can definitely do that, especially when it comes to man coverage, which Capers used quite a bit this season. If we draft another guy who can lock onto to a man it’ll give Capers plenty of flexibility with his blitzes.
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by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Funny
I disagree with both on Harris. He’s a gambler, like Asante Samuel, and is anything but a fundamentally sound tackler. He’ll miss a man, or give up an assignment. No thanks.
I’d take Chimdi Chekwa in the bottom of the 3rd. He ran a very good set of 40 times (4.33, 4.37), is a great tackler in run support, and is a very physical CB.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 7, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
“Gambler”? He’s probably the exact opposite. He never had a lot of INTs in college. He’s usually just in good position and simply bats the ball down. And by the way, if he ends up anything like Samuel whoever gets him will be damn happy. Dude’s been one of the top CB’s in the league for a while now.
Also not sure where you got that he isn’t assignment sure from either. I never saw that when I watched him and have yet to see that in any scouting reports I’ve looked at.
He’s got a nice build 5’ 10" 195 lbs., and is willing to throw his weight around. Sometimes he misses and it’s because his technique isn’t great. That’s hardly a reason not to pick a guy though. As long as the player is willing and capable of tackling, technique is something that can be easily taught and learned.
He would fit what we do on defense very well because of how good he is in man coverage. I wouldn’t mind seeing Chekwa picked though either.
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by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, here's what I found.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/brandon-harris?id=2495499
He excels in man coverage, as he is explosive with an elite closing burst and he has very fluid hips to maintain speed in transition. He also shows very good instincts when lined up one-on-one, but he seems confused at times in zone coverage and can get caught out of position.
That’s from the NFL Combine overview.
Miami likely played him to his strengths, but he might not be so fortunate on an NFL team. An NFL team that primarily plays zone coverage would NOT want to draft Harris.
From the weaknesses section:
Will not always break down the ball carrier in the open field and tends to launch himself when tackling.
That can spell disaster.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 7, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have a problem w/ Harris
Other than his size… Would just rather have a little bigger CB to go w/ Tramon and Sam. He is damn good in man coverage tho… I wouldn’t be upset if we draft him, but he wouldn’t be ideal either! He would be better in the slot than Sam tho… Sounded to me like that was kinda a specialty… Working in the slot, moreso than outside. Don’t the Packers still stick to the mantra of no CB under 5’11"?
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Right but we don’t primarily play zone coverage and with Shields and Williams both excelling man coverage I doubt that’s going to change.
Yep, that second quote pretty much states that he has poor technique.
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by packallday555 on Mar 7, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
We do play zone though
There is a combination of both, but Capers is one of the masterminds behind the Zone-Blitz. i.e. Fire-zone, Zone-Dogs, etc. If you’ve heard him speak, then you’ve probably heard him mention one of those terms.
The beauty about the Packers defense, is you never know what the coverage is, or where the pressure is coming from. So a CB has to be good in man-to-man and zone, as well as capable of blitzing if asked.
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Agreed. Bush was picked on for the rest of the game.
But, I’ve never seen that out of him before. That means progress.
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Yeah, I wouldn’t say that Bush “got lucky.” I mean, he drove on the ball and made that play out of nothing. But I was like “Really? Jarrett Bush? …really??”
by Curly Lambeau on Mar 7, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Shields is Chuck's replacement.
We need to find more depth. There’s no doubt about that!
If Clay Matthews goes down, we lose have of the passing rushing threat on our team. What would our secondary be like if Nick Collins went down. If Aaron Rodgers goes down, Matt Flynn is there, but he is NOT in the same neighborhood as Mr. Rodgers.
The fact is, having valuable players is a luxury–an added bonus–not a requirement. We just happen to have a wealth of riches when it comes to hyper-valuable players.
That being said, Ted and Co. will probably have their priorities set and just select the best player available. Now this strategy will look more like a luxury strategy than ever since it paid off all along the way to make the roster as deep as it is!
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Shields
See I don’t see Shields as Woodsons replacement… He can’t do most of the things Woodson does! He can’t cover anyone from a small quick slot WR to Megatron to a TE! I love Shields but like I said w/ him and Tramom we are awful small at CB! I wanna see a CB w/ some size who can do more of the things that Woodson does. IMO, SHields is perfect being the #3 CB but as a starter, I don’t trust him enough to tackle consistently to take down RB. Just as a pure cover CB Shields is great, but theres alot more to being a staring CB than just cover ability…
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Shields just finished his second full season at CB.
You probably know this, but Shields played WR until his final year of college, when he was converted to CB. He went undrafted. He was targeted by the Packers for his raw athleticism and had SEVERAL offers from other teams, but joined the Packers because he knew that he’d be given a chance to compete. He just finished his inaugural campaign in one of the most complex defenses in the league. All in all, he is a very young, mature, hard-working competitor who is just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential.
Let us contrast that with the great Charles Woodson. A Heisman Trophy winner at CB! In the 75-year history of the award, he is the only CB to win the award! But that’s just college. Then he was the 4th overall pick in the 1998 NFL draft. He’s been one of the top playmakers in the NFL ever since. He studies film and tells his position coaches when they make mistakes on film and in the classroom.
You are right. Chuck is blessed with crazy athleticism, leadership, instinct, class, and football intelligence and can play CB, LB, or S. The one thing that you don’t recognize is that there is not ever going to be another Charles Woodson. He is one-of-a-kind. We are never going to fully replace him, not with Sam Shields, not with anyone.
Does Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara have very nice skill sets? Yes. Does Nnamdi Asomugha? Does Darrelle Revis? Yes. But not like Chuck. Period.
Plus, with the way The Packers are playing, they will probably not ever have a chance to draft high enough to get any future Heisman-winning CB.
The key to future success will be retaining a mastermind like Dom Capers who knows how to play to the strengths of ALL of his players. It’s more important to try to lock Capers up in a contract with McCarthy and Thompson until 2015 than to die trying to find the next Charles Woodson. ;)
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I agree w/ everything you said...
And I know completely the historys of Woodson and Shields… Doesn’t change the fact that w/ Tramon and Shields we are pretty small at CB and I would prefer one of the starting CB be a little bigger and more versatile! Yes I also know Capers is a tremendous DC and will adapt to the personnel at his disposal… Still would like another CB w/ more size, tackling ability and versatility a la Woodson to be the starter opposite Williams!
BTW in ’09 we playe nickel about 60% of the time and in ’10 we played nickel nearly 70% of the time! Just the way the NFL game is moving… That being the case I think CB is a fairly high priority going into this draft. Especially since both Underwood and Lee have been largely disappointing!
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Were Lee and Underwood that disappointing
Or was it that Shields was so fantastic as a undrafted free agent. I’ve thought about this a few times because it seemed to me TT and MM were content withthe winner of the Lee Underwood derby at nickle. So I think the talent is their it needs to just be brought out. That being said if the right guy is their I wouldn’t mind seeing them draft a CB early or late in the draft.
I think Underwood and Lee are huge disapointments!
Neither can play man coverage and when Woodson and Shields went down we had to cover for the them by playing zones… Neither one, IMO can be relied upon to play consistently in man coverage! And I was a pretty big Underwood fan going into the season, but he actually got move to safety he was so bad at CB! Don’t know if that remains the case this season…
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Former?
I would say Rod Woodson and Ronnie Lott of the 90’s era… Looking at this draft Amukamara and Peterson both could be pretty similar to C-Wood… Both have good to great size, terrific ball skills, instincts from playing CB for a long time! But thats just me… Not saying Wood isn’t somewhat unique, but he’s not that unique…
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Prince switched from RB to CB when he came to Nebraska, so he hasn’t exactly played CB for a long time. I have seen a few similarities between the 2 though. Prince is very good at jumping routes and knocking the pass down and he is also a solid tackler.
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I'd love to get me some Akumara
but I really doubt it’s happening. TT has moved up before (CM3, Morgan Burnett) but if we move up, it seems more likely – to me – that we do so to grab a playmaking OLB. I don’t think TT has enough drafts under his belt to give us a concrete “he won’t do this” or ‘he won’t do that" so it’s just an opinion.
It’s just that OLB is such an important position for playmakers in the 3-4 that it would have a higher payoff, and TT has shown an ability to get quality CBs later (as in after) the draft, with Williams and Shields being Exhibit A and B. Also, for at least next year, Woodson will still be around, so the likelihood of a CB being an instant impact player is lower. But who really knows? I doubt even Thompson does at this point.
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oops
Apparently I don’t love him enough to spell his name correctly.
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by I voted for Kodos on Mar 8, 2011 1:40 AM CST up reply actions
Agree...
I still think OLB and OT are our 2 most obvious “needs”… I also don’t see any of the best at those positions being available, w/ the possible exception of Justin Houston. Still think he has a chance at 32! Just kinda lookin at other positions too, since its hardly a given Houston is there! To me CB is another position where there might be 1st rd talent available… It seems the next most likely position along w/ DE!
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DE definitely seems most likely
A run on CBs or OLBs could easily take out the viable first-rounders, and there probably won’t be a suitable 1st round OT even without an unexpected run, and WR is an even longer shot. DE, on the other hand, seems most likely to still have 1st round talent available at our spot. I wouldn’t be against it, but it’s not as exciting a pick as CB or OLB, I guess.
If Houston lasts to 32 I think I’d be pretty excited to get him. I really wish this draft had a Devin Hester in it, though. . . .
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by I voted for Kodos on Mar 8, 2011 2:11 AM CST up reply actions
I am really excited about everything I've read about Justin Houston
But the problem is that I don’t watch enough tape to know if he’s got the potential to be a playmaking ROLB. Hopeful, though!
The OT that could slide to the end of Round 1 is Nate Solder. Opinions are very mixed on him (of course, only from the “scouting” talking heads). It seems as though he has immense potential. I watched him in drills at the combine and I could see why everyone was so excited about his footwork for a 6’8" behemoth, but it also sounds like his kickslide is unpolished (oversteps and can easiliy be beaten to the inside). I guess we’ll have to wait and see if the rest of the NFL is willing to wait a year to coach him up to his potential (which is what I hear will be required for him).
Lot’s of hearsay, I know…
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Agreed on Houston
I’m basing my hope for him on college stats in a 3-4 defense, I haven’t seen a lot of tape. 10 sacks is pretty good from a OLB though.
Solder: Everything I’ve heard sounds like he’ll be drafted before we have a chance. and I don’t think I want him anyways. He put up the lowest number of bench reps for an offensive lineman in the combine, and most of the hype I’ve heard centers around his 40 time, cone drills, splits, etc. No OL really impresses me this year other than Pouncey.
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Been lookin at his page on NFL and CBS...
Sounds like Houston has a terrific burst at the sanp based on his 10 and 20 splits… I was kinda waiting to see his times to guage his burst and quickness. Got a damn good get off time so that indicates he can get around the edge, Got the size to bull rush, just needs some complimentary moves! Good quicks too, that should help him in his coverage and drops. Starting to like him more all the time… Playing last year in a 34 D should really help him!
Solder is battling Davis for the top OT in the draft! I would be really surprised if he makes it to 20…
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Davis?
Houston was 270 lbs at the combine and I heard there are questions about his ability to play in space. Some are thinking he’s now more of a DE.
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Davis? Isn't that the USC OT?
Still think Houston would be a good asset at 32. He got to 270 for the combine to show he could also play DE, but if you use him at OLB have him drop to 255 or 260 and regain a little of the quickness he might have lost! He’s might struggle in space some, but w/ some experience he should be fine, IMO…
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Smith
I think you mean Tyron Smith. Personally, I don’t think Smith should go in the first round. He’s not exactly your prototypical RT, and while he has the athleticism to be a LT, his technique and strength haven’t caught up yet. He is still a raw project player that will need time.
Houston looked maxed out at around 270. Earlier I was afraid he might add more weight, but not anymore. I don’ have any problems with him in space, and I like him more than Ayers now (due to Ayers low 40 and low # bench reps). IMO Houston looks to be a strong side backer, meaning Matthews would move back to the weak side.
Smith...
Yeah got the names mixed up. Anyway, I don’t disagree w/ your assessment of him, but he seems to be one of the top 2 highest rated OT! Nobody seems to doubt that he has the althleticism to play LT, but might need a year to get there…
Agree w/ Houston, and was really shocked at how poorly Ayers did. He has some work to do before his pro day! He can make up alot of what he lost, but will need a great workout to do so!
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It seems most fans don’t like either Solder or Smith, but a lot of media guys love them. I really can’ty make any sense of this OT class. There just doesn’t seem to be any kind of consensus as far as who’s the best prospect.
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Yeah, they all seem to be talked both up & down.
Costanzo & Solder seem to be the ones that are getting the share of the “top” billing, but there is certainly no consensus.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 9, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
I hate you.
Now everyone is messing me up.
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Doesn't
Steve Nash do a thorough enough job of that every time the Suns play?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 9, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like inconsistent OT prospects
and neither Smith nor Solder was consistent in any fashion. They’re being hyped by Kiper and Mayock for their potential, yet I’m seeing a lot of potential busting from both of them…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 9, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
Solder sounds like Al Davis' type of player
A fast, weak offensive lineman. Al Davis loves his speed…
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The scouting reports on Houston
Say he’s decent in coverage, a bit of a liability in man-to-man. I can live with that out of an OLB. He’s going to be rushing the passer as much as in coverage anyways.
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Everything I read
Was that despite showing up at 270 lb, Houston was still one of the most explosive looking LB at the combine. Most of his measurables were very good IIRC.
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Jimmy Smith, and maybe Aaron WIlliams and Ras I Dowling could turn out too...
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Aaron Williams
He seems stiff when transitioning. I think he will do fine covering larger receivers or TE’s, but guys like Percy Harvin, Devin Hester, or Johnny Knox will give him trouble.
Have Tramon or Sam cover the smaller quicker guys like Harvin, Hester or Knox!
I don’t think Woodson matches up very well w/ those WR anymore either! Wood almost always was on larger WR and TE last season…
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Another CB
is definitely something I think we need to pick up. Hopefully TT agrees with me. I also would like to get a bigger CB but I’d take a high-potential small guy if he can return kicks.
But I wonder . . . It seems that the NFL is turning more and more pass-happy every year. However, the Packers have shown that they can really shut down the passing game (I believe they had the lowest opposing QB rating in the NFL last year). And while I think the running game numbers were deceiving, teams were generally more successful running against us. And you know every coach is going to want to keep the ball out of Rodgers’ hands.
In short, I don’t think it’s impossible that we’ll see more of the running game next year. Not sure if/how that impacts the Packers draft, but it’s something to think about.
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by I voted for Kodos on Mar 7, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
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“James Starks is as big and athletically talented as Adrian Peterson”
As the owner of McDowell’s said to the prince, “Son, I’m just gonna’ tell you this one time: you wanna’ keep workin’ here… stay off the drugs.”
As for the rest of it, we’ll draft the best player available, be he a FB, QB, NT or whatever.
Have a look at the numbers in the underlying links.
Their combine performances are not as different as the owner of McDowell’s might suggest.
Many people believed that James Starks, given a full, healthy senior season, would have projected as a first to second round pick. His shoulder injury kept him sidelined until the sixth round. If you want to doubt his potential, especially in a zone blocking scheme, go ahead.
I have all the faith that he’ll be turning a lot more heads than burgers in the next couple of years.
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I don’t think he’s quite AP in terms of athletic ability (nobody is really) but I do think he’s close and I do think he could become a top 10 RB in this league. He was a steal in round 6.
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No, AP is as athletically explosive as any player I’ve ever seen. I wouldn’t laugh at the idea that Starks could someday have comparable production, but as far as athleticism… just, no. …not that it makes that big of a difference. 99 times out of a hundred, it won’t matter. But Peterson will make …maybe one or two plays a season that will make you rewind the DVR and just stare at your TV saying “how in the world did he do that?” Starks may be fast and tough and agile and all that (and I’ll take your word on the combine numbers), but he’s no AP.
by Curly Lambeau on Mar 7, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm about the biggest Starks fan there is...
And even I would never say Starks could be near Peterson! AD is just a super freak… Size, power, speed agility and he has that other-worldly physicality about him!!! Where he just feels he can run over anyone if thats what he’s got to do! Love Starks athleticism tho… Always said he would have been a 2nd rd pick if not for the injury!!! Think Starks is going to make us forget about Grant in a hurry!!! Probably not in ‘11 but starting in ’12 and going forward it’ll be like Grant never existed!!!
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There are lots of guys Peterson's size
with his athletic ability. Saying you have to be drugged to think so is wrong. No one is saying he is as good as a runner as peterson is. But I have always been reminded of peterson when i see starks run and thats because they feature the same set of athletic skills. hopefully starks can keep growing as a running back and get to the elite class peterson is in.
by Glenn'sYank13 on Mar 8, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
KR
Would love to get a OLB in one of the first three rounds, and a T sometime early as well. I say tackle b/c you can always move them inside to G if need be, but G to T not so much. Plus, I think Lang is LG material.
But McCarthy’s comments on a small KR/PR give me some hope we will target one this draft. He never seemed to interested in making plays for a smaller player, and I think that’s what stopped TT from pulling the trigger on one.
Our kick coverage was far worse than our return game.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 7, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Our special teams...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 7, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Can we draft a Special Teams Coach
and have some camp competition with Slocum?
by PhoenicianPakFan on Mar 8, 2011 4:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
We won't draft a returner
and we’re supposed to draft a ST coach? Hmmm…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
As was his post. :-)
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Special Teams A Must
The Packers special teams units are without a doubt, the glaring weak-spot going into the 2011 season…as rightfully admitted by the Packer coaching staff. Having said that, I would love to see the Packers draft a PR/KR specialist…and they actually have the luxury of being able to do so this coming draft, meaning they won’t have to sacrifice the pick (needed for another area) to do so.
I don’t see this player as needing to be an immediate impact guy on the receiving corps either, since we’re obviously pretty solid there…although his contributions in the future would of course be a big bonus. This player being able to play on the coverage teams as well would be nice to see, but you then of course run the risk of injury and that would be self-defeating.
If one is not available in the draft, I can see working OVERTIME to improve the blocking aspects of the return game which in turn would make Shields, Williams and Nelson far more effective until a pure return man becomes available through one forum or another.
I'd rather none of those guys (Shields, Williams, Nelson) are returning kicks
Too valuable at their respective positions to throw them back there, and it’s not like they’re electric where the risk would be justified.
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BPA
Take the best player available…. and in this draft it is more than likely going to be an offensive or defensive lineman!!!!!
But what about the other 8 picks?
I absolutely think that TT will take BPA in the first round. However, they also have shown in the past that they are not afraid to select for need. (B.J. Raji, Clay Matthews, Mason Crosby, Morgan Burnett, several backup QBs, etc.)
I still think that a player like Jerrel Jernigan or Torrey Smith will be targeted given what McCarthy said about fitting smaller WRs into the offense if they are dynamic returnmen as well.
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Torrey Smith
He has the return ability, but he’s not small… 6’1 205 is almost the same size as Jones! I like him alot… He needs some refinement, but w/ our current group of WR that wouldn’t be a problem! He would have a couple year to get his routes down and learn the ropes from DD and jennings! plus he’s a terrific KR and shouldn’t have much trouble doing PR either!
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As a first?
Because I would be shocked if he was there at the bottom of the second.
I've seen plenty of mocks with Smith going in the first
If none of the top 5 OT are left and Houston is gone, I wouldn’t have much of a problem going with him in the first.
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I'd love to get Jerrel Jernigan in one of the middle rounds
but I think Al Davis will reach for him in the 2nd.
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I would MUCH rather take my chances w/ Shorts in the 4th or 5th!
Too many ?? about Jernigans ability to beat press coverage to use a 2nd rd pick on him…
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From what I've read
Jernigan is really slippery.
Out of curiosity and to expand my “scouting” horizons, where do you read about prospects. I try to get as many sources as possible. NFL.com, cbssports.com’s nfldraftscout, and National Football Post is where I go most often. I also have mobile access to Packers Insider, which recently had a profile of the top 50 or so.
Thanks in advance.
Ok. I just read the “Weaknesses” section of NFL.com’s profile of him. I stand corrected.
Undersized and struggles to beat the press off the line of scrimmage and is not much of a downfield blocker. Not a polished route runner and tends to telegraph his routes. Does not have a large catching radius and will struggle to make catches in the red zone against taller defensive backs.
I typically just read the PRO’s and not the CON’s, oops. Here’s the Strengths:
Jernigan has outstanding speed. Explodes off the line and is a nightmare to bring down after the catch in the open field. Uses an effective repertoire of fakes to gain extra separation. Fearless going over the middle on crossing routes. Versatile athlete that is a weapon as a return man.
And the overview:
Jernigan is flat out a playmaaker who has the ability to make an immediate impact as return man at the next level. He has excellent speed to stretch the field and the hip fluidity to maintain momentum in transition and separate out of his breaks. He lacks the size to be a No. 1 receiver in the NFL, but he is a slippery runner in the open field after the catch and projects to be a weapon in the slot. Like all burners, he has a chance to be a second- or third-rounder if he runs really well.
He ran a 4.46 at the combine, but a low 4.3 at his pro day:
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sources...
Same as yours, and you have a few I don’t (insider)… Also go to youtube and try to watch film. Not just highlights, but overall performances and weakness to try to form my own opinion based on what I’ve read and what I see…
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Do you ever spend time on Mocking the Draft?
You should. There can never be enough Packer fans over there. I’ve been fighting the “Ryan Williams in the 1st” mostly by myself for a while now.
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I HATE that
everyone wants to give us a terrible running back. It’s ridiculous.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 10, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
It was for a while
I think the latest trend is DE to replace Cullen Jenkins. I’m not so sure we’ll be spending a 1st on a DE with Mike Neal waiting in the wings, but it’s certainly a possibility.
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Keep in mind
Jolly’s a FA, I believe, and Ryan Pickett’s not going to last forever.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 12, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
Jolly is under contract!
He signed his tender contract and since he was suspended, his contract carries over to this season!
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LE
Jolly’s tender will carry into this next season. Besides, he and Pickett both play LE. It’s a different role compared to RE, where Jenkins and Neal play. The LE usually plays in the base package, while being subbed out in the Nickel and Dime. It is essentially a 2nd NT on the line. So Jolly doesn’t count as a replacement for Jenkins in any way.
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Shorts is my man!
I thought he would run a faster 40 though… Looking forward to his pro day.
Yeah, I suppose you're right, I was thinking he was projected 3rd/4th
but looks like he’s 2nd after the combine. Still, any time Davis drafts, I think it’s a reach.
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Davis has actually assembled a talented roster
Too bad he hates his coaches! …and can’t find a franchise QB (probably because they don’t run 4.3’s.)
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I'll fix that for you
Davis has actually assembled a talented roster
I feel like if he was the coach, he would trot out the six fastest players on the team on offense, regardless of position, and put the fastest one at QB.
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Just found a guy for ROLB!
Brooks Reed
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=74933&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB
Here is some nice film:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AloAloysius#p/u/7/RoM5_P-Pa0c
(In general, I’ve found a lot of great game tape at AloAloysius’ YouTube page.)
Also, I went to the site linked on the youtube page. It is here:
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