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Draft Prospect #4

Continuing my series on the Packers most likely picks w/ the 32nd overall selection in the draft...  This is a player who comes into the draft as a Sr, fits a team need and is generally considered in the top 25-40 players in the draft.

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Brandon Harris is a 5'10" 190 lb CB from "The U"...  Harris has the tools to become a very good starting CB in the NFL.  For the time being he is best served playing a nickel role and having the opportunity to learn the ropes of the NFL game before being thrust into a starting role.  As a CB Harris shows the necessary explosivness, speed and athleticism to play man coverage, an area he already excels at, and to develop into a solid zone coverage player.  For now, he needs to work on his zone responsibilities as he has a tendency to "get lost" and out of position.  He is much better w/ his back  to the QB however, and comes into the league equipped to play the slot CB role.  Harris is a coaches son and you know you are getting a player who has no problems fitting into a locker room and there are no concerns about his work ethic, as he is seen as a fierce competitor, big game player and hard worker who is diligent in his preparation and willingness to put in the work to improve and excel.

In man coverage, Harris has more than enough speed running a 4.5 40, with elite closing speed, however Harris has exceptional quickness which is generally more important than straight speed.  Harris is very fluid in his transition from backpedal or press turning to run with the WR and has very good instincts in man coverage.  When pressing at the LOS, he will need to improve his upper body strength and jamming the WR .  As I mentioned, Harris is a work in progress in zone coverage, mainly due to the fact that he is inexperienced at it.  He does have the necessary skills to become a good zone player, however.

In run support, Harris takes good angles and is a willing tackler...  At times he can get over-aggressive and launch himself in an effort to make the tackle and needs to breakdown better in space.  His over-aggressive approach if reigned in, will lead to a better breakdown and better overall tackling.  He certainly doesn't lack for the courage or willingness to tackle tho, so his ability to improve in this area isn't a concern.

For the Packers, Harris would be the #4 CB taking over a role currently held by Jarrett Bush and would be an immediate upgrade.  With Tramon Williams and Shields the Packers have the 2 outside CB position locked up, so Harris would play in dime packages and Oh what a dime package that would be!  He would be given the opportunity to learn the slot CB role from Woodson.  He is already an adept blitzer judging from the tape I've seen of him.  Once his tackling improves he would be ready to take over the slot from Wood...  He won't be able to line up over and cover larger WR and TE like Woodson however.  That would be only a minor adjustment for Capers, as its a luxury having Woodson be as verstatile as he is.

The big caveat w/ this pick as I see it, is the Packers willingness to break the long held height requirement ot 5'11" at the CB position. IMO, it might be time to rethink this, as we don't have alot of 6'4 WR in the division.  Only Megatron and Sidney Rice (a possibe FA) offer the kind of size to give smaller CB alot of problems.  At 5'10 he simply doesn't have the ht we have always relied upon at CB...  WHat do you think?  Is it time for the Packers to let the height requirement slide, be done w/ it altogether, or keep it in place?

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Calvin Johnson is DEFINITELY a threat we have to account for twice a year

but with that being said, it would be criminally irresponsible for Capers to EVER line up Harris against Calvin Johnson. That’s a losing deal unless you have Johnson triple covered by the nickel corner, the safety, AND Harris.

He’s young, there’s room for Harris to row, and he’s not going to be asked to start immediately on Green Bay, assuming he IS drafted by the Packers.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 14, 2011 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

If we drafted Harris he would not be matched up w/ Johnson… Tramon handled that responsibility some this past year and seemed to be pretty good. Of course Woodson handled that most of the time and will continue to until he retires or moves to Safety Full time.

What do you think of the ht requirement? Keep it, be done w/ it, or let it slide for now?

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's only an inch short

I wouldn’t draft someone who was 5’8-5’9, but as long as he has a decent vertical I don’t think it’s something that should cause GB to avoid drafting him. Plus as you mentioned, the Bears and hopefully the Vikes next year don’t have a tall receiver to threaten him. He’ll never be a guy to cover TEs like C-Wood does, but his size won’t be a disadvantage against most WRs.

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by Kuhl on Apr 14, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harris

Doen’t have a great vertical jump. About 31 or 32 inches… Ahmad Carroll was 5’10 and had like a 40 in vertical and it didn’t help him! Just sayin…

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carroll had...issues...with illegal contact, though.

As in consistent, consistent illegal contact penalties.

I don’t know if Harris had those issues, though. I can’t remember him getting nailed for PI or IC in the ’09 Champs Sports Bowl.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 14, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Carroll had a ton of talent, but he was incredibly stupid, and made way to many penalties.

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by Kuhl on Apr 14, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that he had a 34 1/2 inch vertical at his pro day. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1630457

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by packallday555 on Apr 14, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected...

34 1/2 is a lot better than 31… Was off the top of my head w/o looking it up.

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No problem. I’m just glad it’s better then you remembered lol.

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by packallday555 on Apr 14, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d let the height requirement go for him, simply because he can flat out man cover. Either a guy has that ability or just doesn’t. It’s not really something that can be taught.

Plus, like you mentioned, aside from Johnson and Rice (who will probably end up leaving imo) there aren’t many tall receivers to worry about. And I think Williams will be fine handling both of those guys.

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by packallday555 on Apr 14, 2011 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Also,

If he is drafted to be the third/fourth CB, he will more than likely always be lining up in the slot. The slot receivers in the division like Percy Harvin are only 5’10-5’11 but speedy/shifty, so if he can cover well he would fit nicely

by supertrooper15 on Apr 14, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matchups

Yeah Harris would be almost strictly a slot CB… So he wouldn’t match up on the bigger WR much if at all… If he’s as good as he seems from the slot you gotta consider him, IMO.

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think so

i mean why not, unless someone drops that would give better value. Worst case scenario is he does not pan out and you only use Woodson, Williams and Shields… Oh NO! lol

by supertrooper15 on Apr 14, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was suprised how well Williams handled the big guys

He at least partially covered both Megatron and Brandon Marshall, and did a great job.

by Shoes31 on Apr 14, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he did a great job on Roddy White and Jenkins too who are both big. I think he’s got the jumping ability to cover taller guys.

Megatron will probably catch some balls over him but he catches balls over everyone. There just isn’t always a whole lot you can do against a guy like him or Andre Johnson.

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by packallday555 on Apr 15, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

I’m not doing one of these on Jimmy Smith in case you were wondering. Might be a better fit for the Packers as a CB, but I don’t think the Packers consider him due to character concerns.

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

also, I do not think he will drop to 32...

There are even some people who think he should go Vikes at #12 if the Qb’s are gone. I would not go that far but I think 3 CBs will be taken before 32 in my opinion

by supertrooper15 on Apr 14, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think teams are starting to rule him out

At least of 1st rd consideration. He seems to be drawing less interest as the draft gets closer… Right now I wouldn’t be surprised either way. He could go as high as 13? to Detroit or fall out of the 1st altogether… Neither would really surprise me.

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Philly?

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by Omaha Sun on Apr 14, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Philly and Baltimore are the 2 teams he's linked to the most.

Both in the mid 20’s… If he gets past those 2 teams he might fall to the top of 2nd.

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea but usually if a team likes him they will say they dont

so the more teams say they are losing in interest the earlier I would expect him to go. I think he goes mid-late first or has a fall with the likes of Colt McCoy last year. If his character issues are that big of a concern I could see Harris or Ras-I going before him in the early second

by supertrooper15 on Apr 15, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its possible

He goesn mid 1st… Just don’t see it tho. Between the 3 you mentioned it just depends what the team is looking for. Slot CB is Harris, Press CB in Smith, zone is Dowling. Dowling is a bit of a combo who can play both man and zone. Dowling has the injury issues that have kept his stock down, otherwise he’s a 1st round talent. IMO, they are fairly similar in overall talent w/ Smith having a slight edge.

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by Strohman on Apr 15, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm actually really hoping for Dowling at 64

But he’ll probably be gone by then.

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by GoGregGo on Apr 15, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be OK w/ that.

Tho I’m kinda hoping for Davon House!

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by Strohman on Apr 15, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dontay Moch

I’m really starting to grow fond of Moch. He should be available towards the end of the 2nd Round. I wouldn’t mind trading up a little ways in the 2nd to ensure we get him. Has anyone else kept their eye on him? Moch is explosive off the line. In fact, he’s so fast that he clocked a 4.4 40 yard dash! Surely we don’t want to base a players success off a 40 yard dash, but his highlights are equally impressive as well. Here’s a solid article on him at Gang Green Nation:
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2011/2/12/1990001/scouting-the-draft-dontay-moch-part-3-scouting-report

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by Jabooty on Apr 16, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing that scares me

Is the continuous comparison to Vernon Gholston with comments about his stiff hips. He might be worth a 2nd-3rd round flyer, but I don’t think I’d trade up for him.

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by Kuhl on Apr 16, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been keeping an eye on his draft status

Personally, I wouldn’t touch him till the 3rd… Kuhl is right, very stiff in the hips, like is usually expected from former track stars. No way I would trade up in the 2nd, and I wouldn’t take him in the 2nd, but at our pick in the 3rd, he would be a good developmental player. But as has been noted, we have alot of those at OLB. THeres alot to like about him, unfortunately there alsol alot to be very weary of!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272677

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by Strohman on Apr 16, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

He won't last to the end of the 3rd

I read that too in a couple areas, but watching his film I thought he did a good job getting off his blocks to chase a ball carrier in a different direction. I think he’d be an excellent compliment to Clay Matthews, and given our secondary, his speed would be useful in forcing more pressure and turnovers. I think he is fundamentally sound too and has good technique.

He may only play in the WAC, but he overwhelmed Boise States’s OL (which is pretty good), gave Missouri a hard time, along with Boston College.

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by Jabooty on Apr 16, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't the height requirement go out with a new defense that came in?

Does that height requirement apply to the GBP now that Capers is here? Or was it more for a 4-3 with lots of man coverage?

by PhoenicianPakFan on Apr 14, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

It was a reaction of Wolf/Holmgren era...

WHen Minn had Moss, Carter and another WR all 6’4 or better and Chi had a couple 6’3+ guys. It was something we stuck to and have pretty much held onto since that time, as Thompson was brought in under Wolf and adopted it… If you go by Pitts they’ve always had bigger CB too… So I’m assuming Capers might actually stick w/ the ht requirement as well. Don’t think it has anything to do w/ scheme change….

IMO, it might be time to consider changing now. Our division foes no longer have the same size WR. And in many ways a guy like Harris might match up very well w/ the smaller WR now in the division. Excepting Johnson and Rice of course.

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by Strohman on Apr 14, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like keeping the height requirement

Of course exceptions do need to be made for talented players.

In the second round I would consider taking him, but at 32 I don’t really like him there. I will admit though that I’m not a big Harris fan. I personally think there are better corner prospects than Harris later in the draft that just need some time to develop.

by Shoes31 on Apr 14, 2011 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Stroh

Do you plan on doing one of these for Bruce Carter, the OLB from UNC? Because I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on him.

by Shoes31 on Apr 14, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I get to 2nd round guys...

He might be one… I’ve looked at him some and read up on him. What I got so far is that he’s tremdously athletic and has great potential, but is VERY raw and undisciplined. On top of that he tore his ACL in Oct or Nov. Other thing w/ him is his size… He might be maxed out at 6’2 and 240ish. Most 34 OLB are in the 250+ range. Not too far off, but if he can’t gain anymore he might struggle to hold the point. Very fast and athletic guy tho. The ACL is hurting his draft status obviously… Was rated as a 1st rd guy prior to the ’10 college season.

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by Strohman on Apr 15, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

A CB I like in the 2nd is Davon House...

Great size/speed guy who was All Wac w/ Kyle Wilson. Great man cover CB, more suited to the outside, not slot… Could really develop into a special CB in a couple years!

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by Strohman on Apr 15, 2011 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stroh, what's your expert opinion on Curtis Marsh or Marcus Gilchrist?

What I’ve read is that they’re 2nd-3rd round CB prospects. Marsh is very instinctive in coverage and had a TON of pass breakups. Not sure about Gilchrist, though.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 15, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marsh maybe in the 3rd...

2nd seems a little too high for him. Can’t say I know anything about Gilchrist… Haven’t looked at him at all. Marsh has potential. Does he have ball skill problems? All those pass defensed makes you wonder if he has poor hands, etc. Otherwise decent size/speed guy who could develop.

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by Strohman on Apr 15, 2011 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if Marsh has ball-skill issues

He did have 13 pass breakups and 2 INTs, along with 45 tackles this year.

Gilchrist might be the one with ball skill issues; just 1 career interception (in 2010) but 7 pass breakups this year. He did have a ridiculous 96 tackles last year, as well as a sack and a forced fumble.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 15, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe Marsh is the guy who had been converted from RB, so I could see his ball skills being a little questionable.

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by packallday555 on Apr 15, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is...

Good catch! Read on NFL he has good hands, so that doesn’t seem to be the problem. Marsh is fine in press, but lacks the fluidity to flip his hips and turn to run w/ the WR. Won’t fit well in zone coverage either. Tho that might be lack of experience, which can get better. Don’t know what you can do about his hips tho… Good CB that plays heavy press coverage.

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