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  When thinking of guys like AJ Hawk, Chillar and Nick Barnett, could the Pack afford to let two of these guys go, of course they can. Along the defensive front look for Justin Harrell and quite possibly Ryan Pickett  to be let go as well. On the offensive side of the ball can the Pack replace Colledge and his new salary through the draft or with existing talent, i think so. With the quality and quantity of running backs in this draft Ryan Grant and his salary could also be up for consideration to be released as well. The possibility of re-negotiating Donald Drivers contract also could come into play. If this scenario or anything close to it comes to fruition look for the Packers to re-sign James Jones, Cullen Jenkings and quite possibly sign Nhamdi Asumghua . This is a pass first league and in order to defense it you have to get to the quarterback and cover the receivers as well. The release of Pickett would only happen if a solid replacement could be found and within the draft but with all the money that could be released from these players it opens up the chance of keeping and obtaining high quality help, the Pack is built to win now, here is to hopes of creating a dynasty.

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This has been discussed at length already.

Barnett is probably as good as gone, no one will take Harrell due to injuries, and Jones and Jenkins are going to be paid more by another team than TT will be willing to match.

Grant won’t be gone (I don’t think GB is ready to give the full time starting job to Starks without some insurance), GB can’t afford to lose Pickett with the loss of Jenkins already, and I don’t see Colledge leaving either.

Asomugha is a pipe dream. I’d love to have him, but he’s going to ask way too much to come to GB. Plus we have two Pro-Bowl CBs, with a very good, young nickel back behind them. This is on top of a Pro-Bowl FS and last year’s 2nd round pick at SS.

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by Kuhl on Apr 17, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

"I don’t see Colledge leaving either."

You think? It didn’t seem to me like they tried all that hard to re-sign him (or maybe he wanted way more than they offered). Honestly, if we are signing one of our FA Gs I think it will be Spitz.

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by Wiedmann on Apr 17, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification.

I thought you were referring to our Free agent goalie.

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by Omaha Sun on Apr 18, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't want anyone to think I was using slurs

It just looked weird after I posted it, so I immediately clarified.

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by Wiedmann on Apr 18, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't even think of that until now....

NOW I see what you’re getting at.

Yeah, it does look a little weird, but I don’t think any rational person would have taken that interpretation… I mean its a football board, G = Guard, and FA = Free Agent. Don’t think it would have been an issue.

by PhoenicianPakFan on Apr 18, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

$100,000 fine.

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by Omaha Sun on Apr 18, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, we know you're not a homophobe.

The same cannot be said for Kobe “Rapist” Bryant.

Super Bowl XLV Champions, the Green Bay Packers!

by mike_o on Apr 18, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, this is awkward...

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by mike_o on Apr 18, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never raped anyone though

Unless you count statutory, which I don’t.

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by Wiedmann on Apr 18, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

RACIST!!!!!

haha just kidding

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by TrevorR on Apr 18, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Corey Williams.........

………..its happened before and will happen again and they got a second rounder for him after signing him for big money.

by tgifbipo on Apr 17, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Williams

Was tendered as a franchise player, but the Packers didn’t sign him to a contract. Williams was signed by Cleveland to that contract, not signed by the Packers. Tendering a FA isn’t the same as signing him to a contract. Williams was still a FA, just had a franchise designatiion, when the Packers traded his rights to Cleveland who subsequently signed him to the contract he got.

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by Strohman on Apr 17, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

 So does this make Hawk untradeable, no it does not. He was released and there was lots of early interest in him and the Packers saw this so they signed him to what others would have probably paid. I think that Barnett is the better player and still has a number of good years left in him. All this love that Hawk is now getting will be short lived, he finally after so many years started to actually do something in the latter part of the year.

by tgifbipo on Apr 17, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

They have Hawk locked up long-term,

and Barnett has struggled with injuries and is getting older. Other than CM3, Rodgers, and a couple others, Hawk is the last person who’ll be traded.

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by Kuhl on Apr 17, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I agree with what you’re saying regarding Barnett and Hawk, I doubt we’re going to see him be traded.

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by packallday555 on Apr 17, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it doesn't mean he is untradeable..

But when they released him it was to avoid paying him a 10M bonus! And they knew they were going to re-sign him… The contract was almost done, just needed the final touches. Instead of paying him the 10M bonus, they signed him to a new 5 yr contract and gave him the 10M… Essentially giving him the money the original contract called for, but also locking him up longterm.

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by Strohman on Apr 17, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barnett
Barnett is the better player and still has a number of good years left in him.

is the Packers’ oldest inside LB and has finished two of the past three years on IR.
At best, he has a few good years left in him, and can play them out with another team, while the Packers continue to develope new depth for the future behind the damned good ILB corps that we already have here, without him.
Then, throw in that Barnett appears to have a very slight attitude problem (more than just the SB photo flap) that I have begun to not care for.
And, FWIW, Barnett (again, IMO) is not “the better player”.
At least, not anymore.

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by NorthStarr on Apr 17, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Packers, Steelers, NE...

All the best teams are constantly turning over the roster. Replacing 30 yrs old players, injury prone players with younger, cheaper players whom they develop. Jenkins is 30 and injury prone, say good bye. Jones is inconsistent and wants a shot at starting, say good bye. Barnett is 30ish and injury prone, say good bye. These players have to be replaced by guys from the draft, so you can save money to spend on guys like Sitton, Finley, Tramon… If you sign high priced help its gonna cost you someone like Finley or Sitton… In a couple years we’re gonna have to pay HUGE money to keep Raji and Matthews to keep them around! You wanna let one of them go? Didn’t think so…

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by Strohman on Apr 17, 2011 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

 No way i let Matthews or Raji go and Finley and Sitton will be on the cheap for the next couple of years, Jones is yet to fully develop his potential and wont see big money until he does, for now he is a slot receiver, albeit a good one. You cant get rid of all your productive vets until you can replace them, its all about winning a second one.

by tgifbipo on Apr 17, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Signing players.

Sitton and Finley are going to be entering FA years next season, assuming old CBA rules for FA. They are going to be very expensive! And while it seems like a long time away right now both are signed thru ‘13, its likely the Packers willwant to sign them to extentions well before that. I’m expecting they are signed to extensions during or shortly after the ’12 season. And Matthews and Raji will be extremely expensive!

Again this is assuming players can become FA after 4 yrs, not the current 6 yrs due to no CBA.

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by Strohman on Apr 17, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should read...

Packers will want to sign Raji and Matthews to extentions long before that…

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by Strohman on Apr 17, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sitton is a UFA after this upcoming season

We’ll have to pay him.

Finley, Jordy Nelson, Scott Wells & he are all FAs in 2012.

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by Wiedmann on Apr 17, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of reminds me of the Sidney Rice situation

We all know Finley has immense potential and when healthy has been unstoppable though he has not played multiple sets of 16 or so games making a high contract difficult.

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by tkiller314 on Apr 18, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tough sign

I agree, Finley is gonna be a tough sign. He knows how talented he is and how productive he is when he isn’t injured, but he has been injured too much to get top dollar. That won’t stop Finley from asking for top dollar tho… Its going to pretty difficult to get him signed! And it wouldn’t surprise me if they franchise him and trade him… I hope that doen’t happen, but it seems possible because Finley is gonna want Gates type money!

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by Strohman on Apr 18, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know I appreciate the sentiment here....I really do

Slash and burn team management always seems to have its upside in the dead of the offseason. There is so much young talent and the promise of guys developing into something special. That temptation is there extra right now as we saw so many of our backup take a step forward and help the team win the Super Bowl. Why shouldn’t they just take over?

The problem with slashing through positions where there is a good amount of depth is that in and NFL minute all that can change. Remember the year we traded Corey Williams? It seemed like a great idea at the time cause we had all sorts of DT’s and a young 1st round pick with lots of promise as well. Before you know it injuries ravaged the D-line and suddenly we couldn’t stop the run or get an inside push. We just didn’t have any DT’s. The Vikings had a shortage at receiver and too many corners last year so they traded a middling CB for a middling WR. That WR was basically used to fair catch punts and after two injuries the team was also scrambling for a corner.

I would be hesitant to cut any vet until they show what they can do…either in an OTA or training camp. Grant is a steady RB who has been productive in our offense. That’s more than any of our other backs can say for most of the year last year. Why cut him now?

The only reason why Hawk and Bishop got to show anything last year was because of injuries to half the ILB core. Cutting backups, even if they are a bit pricey, suddenly leaves us vulnerable if another injury wave starts.

Cutting talented football players typically doesn’t make you a better team. Right now that’s what the Packers need to focus on…staying the best and most talented team in the NFL. That doesn’t happen by cutting players that you happen to believe are slightly over priced.

by PackApologist on Apr 17, 2011 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

 Nice, enjoyed reading it, fact is though that there will be some sort of salary cap and some of the more expensive vets will have to go and be replaced.

by tgifbipo on Apr 17, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do they have to be?

There are many flawed assumptions you have here….like that there will be a cap this year and that the Packers will necessarily be over the cap.

We don’t know what the cap will be and there’s just as much chance that there will be another uncapped year next year as there will be a capped year.

by PackApologist on Apr 17, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

There will probably be some sort of cap

but if there is, we’re pretty okay on that (just not if we sign Nnamdi), and if there’s no cap, someone else will sign him.

Either way, we’re not getting Nnamdi. Unfortunate as it is (and would have been ridiculously awesome to see), it’s not happening. Come to terms with it.

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by Wiedmann on Apr 17, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Nmandi

If Nmandi’s time in Oakland proved anything it’s that he’s really good…..but not so good that losing half a team is going to compensate him for that. The Packers don’t need to gut their team at this point for the following reasons:

1. It’s not our style. We’re a draft and develop team…and while we have good secondary coaches let’s use them and develop the future stars of the team.

2. He’s going to be overpriced and there’s already lots of money tied up in the secondary.

3. We just don’t know what the finer points of the business side are going to be. Not even the professionals know this one, so why come up with grand plans to work around this at this point? Let the process work itself out and then these answers going to become very clear very quickly.

by PackApologist on Apr 17, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm....

Bigby and Jackson won’t be cut. Bigby’s contract is up and they just won’t resign him….it’s a little difference but a critical one. Jackson and Jones’s status is up in the air depending on the rules that are going to be played under. If the new CBA (or temporary rules) allow him to be an unrestricted free agent then he’s probably gone. If he’s an RFA there are mixed reports on if they are tendered or not…but if they are tendered then they are relatively cap friendly and still valuable why just let them walk out the door. Colledge would fit under that descrpition too.

Jenkins really is the only name that truly fits under the whole viewpoint of this post in general. I get Jenkins leaving for that reason, but it’s not like the rest of our team is grossly overpaid and now suddenly has to go. Rash actions typically lead to losing seasons.

by PackApologist on Apr 17, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said cut

I was responding to:

some of the more expensive vets will have to go and be replaced.
I was working under the assumption that those guys are UFAs rather than RFAs, which I think will eventually happen when free agency finally rolls around. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic.

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by Wiedmann on Apr 17, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right now I don't know what to think on that end

I firmly believe that there will not be one game missed this season. I’m not sure a deal will get done though. Really my expectation is that an injunction is going in place and there will be some makeshift rules to float us all along while both sides learn to trust each other.

That probably means some mixture of rules of 2009 & 2010, and probably no salary cap (after all the cap system benefits the players more than the owners really).

by PackApologist on Apr 17, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

On expensive vets....

Which vets are really “expensive”?

Barnett I’ll give you. Hell, you can take Poppinga in that as well. After that you are have pretty key guys listed.

Grant: Not really expensive at this point. He’s in the last year of his contract and getting older, but it’s just plain foolish to dump him now. Starks hasn’t shown the ability to stay healthy for the entire season and any Packer fan paying attention saw the ups and downs of our offense without having a competant running back back there. Grant will earn his money…especially considering most of his cash is in escalators.

Picket: Pickett is another one of those not flashy guys that we take for granted. He’s a gap filler who is going to stuff up the run and be a rotational NT. D-lineman like that make the 3-4 work more than anyone else in the defense because they provide the anchor to make sure that the offense just doesn’t abuse you with the running game. Pickett got a couple good years left in him and cutting him just wouldn’t work for defending the title.

Harrell: Harrell’s rookie contract was front loaded so the money that was lost is pretty much lost. He’s not going to be be a big cap penalty going forward and if he can’t stay healthy then he’ll probably be cut. With our current shortage of D-linemen as it is why get rid of him before seeing if he can stay healthy through camp at least?

DD: Why on God’s green earth would we want to renegotiate with him? We just did that! Seriously, how much faith would the FO lose in the lockerroom when they give a guy a contract and then a year or two later (when there has been no serious dip in production) come to him and say okay…now we want you to take less money.

Newsflash, NFL players are people…not a collection of numbers like they are in Madden. Going through and cutting vets for no reason and demanding them to take less money causes morale problems. Just look at what MN did last year. Do you really think it’s because they weren’t talented? No, it’s because the guys quit on the team, and screwing around with mass firings risks doing that. It’s one thing to keep a young guy over an old guy who’s earned the spot (the main reason I’m not picking apart your point about inside linebacker), but it’s quite another to just slashing guys cause they are older. That’s just plain stupid.

by PackApologist on Apr 17, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Couple things

Barnett or Chillar has to go… One or the other. We just recently learned that Chillar has had 3 shoulder surgeries, so there is a slight chance they keep Barnett. But I agree that Popp is gone for sure.

Grant, IMO finishes his one year on his contract and then they let him go. Totally agree.

Pickett will make at least another year or 2. Too valuable as a player, but just as importantly he’s a locker room leader!

Harrell is due 1.1M this year. That could go either way. Its not alot, but his injuries makes it harder to judge.

Driver just got 2 yr extension toward the end of last year. His contract is about 4M per, but I think he’ll finish it before he retires.

Packers salary situation will be fine and will continue to be, IMO… FO is on top of that for sure! With or w/o a salary cap they’ll be fine…

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by Strohman on Apr 17, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This whole article

basically seemed to be saying that we should cut anything to resign Jones and Jenkins and to sign Asomugha. Agreed on the cap situation, as long as GB doesn’t do those three things, (not holding my breath) we’ll be fine.

BTW, I don’t think either of those two is valuable enough to pay what they’ll get on the open market. Jones is a 3rd or 4th WR that will try to be paid like a 1 or 2. And Jenkins is just going to be more valuable to a 4-3 defense than he is to GB. All three players aren’t needed in GB due to our depth at almost every single position.

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by Kuhl on Apr 17, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

And the whole Asomugha thing has been covered a long time ago. We would all love to have him, but there is just no way THompson does it, and for alot of reasons. Paricularly since signing him would likely cost us 2 players between Finley, Sitton, Matthews or Raji! Asomugha is just way to expensive all the way around!

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by Strohman on Apr 17, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

I don’t think cutting half our team is going to be the same value as Nmandi, Jones, or Jenkins would be….mostly because it would be half our team.

Really those guys are going to get paid big bucks and that’s fine. More power to them. Really though we have potential replacements and this draft should ferret out a couple more replacements just fine.

by PackApologist on Apr 17, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Packers already can afford Nnamdi if they want them.

James Jones thinks he can be a number 1 receiver somewhere else and wants out of here from what i hear. Jenkins if they wanted him they could resign him but with the money he is going to cost and how often he has been injured they seem to be ready to let him walk. I want Barnett out of here, he was a distraction during the superbowl week and was immaturely fighting with Rodgers on twitter. The guy is a cry baby Thug and we dont need that type of player on our team. I like Chiller for his versatility but he is always injured. Poppinga is a workout warrior but he is also injured alot, but i think we will keep him. I hope Nnamdi stays in Oakland but if he goes anywhere Green Bay is definitely the place for him and i think he would sign here cheaper than anywhere else except MAYBE Oakland.

by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 18, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

The Packers can afford Nnamdi this year,

but that would be at the expense of paying CM3, Raji, and others before they hit the free agent market. Love to have Nnamdi, but he’s going to ask for more than we can give for a nickel back. (essentially what we would get because we would be moving Williams down to the nickel)

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by Kuhl on Apr 18, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree Kuhl, the most likely scenario if they signed Nnamdi would be Woodson moving to Safety.

No Matter what Capers would have the 3 of them all over the field. Essentially we would have 3 number 1 corners and Sam Shields. SICK.

by Marcus Allen Krause on Apr 26, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

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