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If Michael Vick Received a Second Chance, Should Johnny Jolly?

Green Bay Packers defensive end Johnny Jolly pleaded guilty to codeine charges on Thursday, although it was no real surprise to the Packer fan base following months of disappointment and speculation.

What did come as a surprise, though, was Jolly's sentence. Fortunately for Jolly no jail time was awarded, meaning a future in the NFL is still a slight possibility somewhere down the track. Whether or not Commissioner Roger Goodell chooses to reinstate Jolly in the future, however, adds a negative spin on the entire story.

After hearing the opinions of fans, Jolly was let off the hook rather easily in the minds of some. He will have to attend a drug rehab center in Houston for 90 days according to the Green Bay Press Gazette, while a $500 fine has also been included.

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Not bad for a drug charge that could have resulted in a 20 year prison sentence, right?

But perhaps this is why so many folks have their nose out of joint. A drug crime of this magnitude would normally land anybody who isn't a professional football player behind bars, yet in Jolly's case, his status as an athlete may have saved him some serious hard time in the long run.

Then again, he isn't totally out of the woods.

I guess if we look at the situation seriously, the NFL is full of second chances.

Current Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Adam (Pacman) Jones was let off the hook after causing a scene at a local strip club in 2007. To make a long story short, he tried his hand at professional wrestling, failed, and wound up with the Dallas Cowboys thanks to Jerry Jones' generous bank account.

Of course, Pacman's career has never really been the same since. But hope isn't totally lost for Jolly.

If Jolly really wants to hang his hat on something positive, it might as well be Michael Vick. Here is a guy who looked doomed three years ago after facing prison time for a dog fighting charge, but somehow bounced back, and is now an MVP frontrunner for years to come.

So should Jolly be forgiven for his sins?

It's a two way street.

Vick paid his dues by serving hard time. He worked his way into the Philadelphia Eagles starting role by spending a year on the bench behind Donovan McNabb. And when his name was called along with Kevin Kolb's this time last year, Vick knew that he had taken the proper steps to reviving his former legacy with the Atlanta Falcons.

PETA may argue differently, mind you.

So for Jolly to simply pay a small fine, attend rehab and pull what is now referred to as a "Charlie Sheen" would almost be morally wrong. Given that the Packers probably want nothing to do with him after this ongoing saga, chances are some other desperate team will stroll in, pick up the pieces even if some controversy comes as a result.

It could be argued that Jolly has already been given a second chance. No prison sentence is the ultimate let-off, and when the NFL lockout is a distant memory, Jolly has every right to apply for reinstatement depending on Goodell's attitude.

Yep, the NFL is soft like that.

For Vick, he had talent and still does. He's been to the Pro Bowl. Thrown for over 14,000 passing yards. And despite what animal activists say, has made one of the most remarkable comebacks in all of sports.

What does Jolly have?

Two sacks to his name in the span of four years. A list of criminal charges that also includes driving with a suspended license. Oh, and a drug problem that is still yet to be fixed.

Until he makes up for his wrongs, don't expect to see Jolly's face anytime soon.

 

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Sure....and he screwed it up.

By getting caught while already suspended for a first offense. He would have gotten his second chance had he just stayed clean. Probably would have played this year. Now its just a pattern….and I don’t think he should be re-instated.

by PhoenicianPakFan on Apr 22, 2011 5:40 AM CDT reply actions  

My opinion too.

Though if he could get away from his friends and family in Texas, he might be able to actually turn things around.

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by Kuhl on Apr 23, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats the big problem.

Packers had no concerns w/ Jolly when he was in GB… Only when he returned to TX that they became worried. They tried very hard to get Jolly to live in GB year round, but he always returned to TX and the drug infested life he knew there. If he had taken the Packers advice he would have a SB ring and about 3M in salay he lost last year, and another 3M he would likely make this season!

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by Strohman on Apr 23, 2011 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

lets get something straight...

pacman was only guilty of paying a stripper too quickly. it was everyone else who really acted like fools. what jolly did was stupid and wreck-less. if he was just a user, then it would have been him risking his career over quick thrills which is dumb but forgivable. he was DEALING which I can not for the life of me understand. I live in eastern KY which is very poor so someone dealing drugs here to me is understandable (you see my point). what VICK did wasn’t just silly like jone’s strip club antics, or just dumb like jolly’s drug dealing it was mean spirited and evil. he has the mentality of a sociopath. compared to flash in the pan vick, jolly and jones deserve 30 chances.

by mossdog427 on Apr 22, 2011 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

aside from that he may deserve one more chance but not on thirteenbay.

by mossdog427 on Apr 22, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he is involved in dealing (which seems like it could be very likely) I’d assume he’s the supplier. And it’s not like he’s dealing in Green Bay or something. He’s doing so in Houston, in a not so nice part of town.

Didn’t Jones also get accused of shooting somebody?

I don’t think Jolly deserves another shot. Like PPF says above, he had his second chance. He could have been put away for 20 years and was instead given probation and told to not mess up. Had he not, he probably would have been re-instated this season and back playing football.

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by packallday555 on Apr 22, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

So your defending Packman and condemning Jolly?

Yeah that makes sense! Packman was involved is some way in something like 12 arrests is a few years!!

Jolly F’ed up, no questions, but when he is cleared to play, if he is cleared to play, he deserves another chance! Won’t be in GB, but someone will give him a chance IMO.

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by Strohman on Apr 22, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously…I read this and thought to myself that this guy must have been locked up for a year or two that he missed all the things Pacman was arrested for. He had a real bad for a year or two where it seemed like once a month he was going down for something.

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by TrevorR on Apr 22, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Locked up

Maybe he was locked up w/ Packman, thats why he’s in his corner! LOL

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by Strohman on Apr 22, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sure that $500 fine will scare him straight.

…effin’ prosocuters oughta be fired.

by Curly Lambeau on Apr 22, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

haha

seriously…ridiculous. MIght not have been in their power though.

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by TrevorR on Apr 22, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

This^

Jolly probably made a healthy contribution to the DA’s campaign

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by I voted for Kodos on Apr 24, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course he does.

Admit your mistake, try and learn from it (hopefully more than try) and move on. Such is life. If some team wants him, he should get that chance.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 22, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

He got his second chance

All he had to do was stay clean for a year, and everything would be all right. He couldn’t do that. Should we give him a third chance? How many chances do you give a guy? Its like convicted felons, you may let them out of prison but they can never legally buy a gun.

With the dictator comish Goodell, he won’t be playing anytime soon. Remember, he was suspended for multiple offenses in the system, such as drug tests. It wasn’t that one incident in Houston last year that got him suspended, it was everything else. Goodell does not like repeat offenders in his league, and Jolly was that before he got suspended.

by Shoes31 on Apr 22, 2011 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Packers won't...

But that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get another chance w/ someone else! He’ll likely get an extended suspension, maybe another year… But when he is re-instated, if he is, he should get a chance to continue his career.

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by Strohman on Apr 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He will wind up somewhere, he is still a good player, just a terrible person who can’t stay away from drugs. He needs to see his mistakes and not get off “free of charge” as he has done. Give him 3 months in prison, let him face the real life and then we can talk about letting him play. He shouldn’t be allowed in, due to the fact he was caught twice with the same substance and seems intent on not changing his ways.

by Dujo on Apr 22, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

He's lost more than 3M due to his not playing...

Thats hardly “free of charge”! He has a substance abuse problem. Get him help, suspend him and see it he can keep clean! Wouldn’t you want the same chance?

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by Strohman on Apr 22, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone having a problem with alcohol or drugs doesn't make them a "terrible person"

I think you’re being a bit harsh there.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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by I voted for Kodos on Apr 24, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   3 recs

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

or….

the person with lots of sins….cause he’s probably a nasty person anyway. EIther way, lets throw stones!

by PhoenicianPakFan on Apr 24, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

There isn’t enough space on the internet to list all my sins

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by I voted for Kodos on Apr 24, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

But are there enough stones to list all your sins on....

and then throw those stones at other people!?! You got me wanting to throw stones and now I’m not sure thats where this conversation is headed. I might cry if someone isn’t hit with a stone pretty soon.

by PhoenicianPakFan on Apr 24, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have an idea

Since you’re Phonecian I’m assuming you’re familiar with Canaanite culture, right? Weren’t they really into stoning people?

Or, maybe you could listen to Dylan’s “Rainy Day Women #12 & 35” and get it out of your system that way. Or just find a Bears fan and brain him with a stone. I believe Federal Statutes allow this because you can’t give a Bears fan a head injury any worse than the one they’ve already got. (which reminds me of a “chicken or the egg” condundrum: what comes first, the head injury or the declaration of one’s support for the Chicago Bears?).

To answer your question, “Are there enough stones to list all [my] sins on?” Maybe not on Earth, but if you throw in Moon rocks we’ve probably got enough.

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by I voted for Kodos on Apr 24, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I’m only Phoenician in the sense that I live in a burning pit…….

but I did know a guy named Canaan a while back, so that counts, right?

And stoning a Bears fan is kinda like hitting a pillow. A lot of fluff comes out but you really don’t get any satisfaction because they are basically designed to be beat on by nature.

by PhoenicianPakFan on Apr 24, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poor Bears fans

Not only are they mentally challenged but they have to cheer for the Bears.

I’m going to make a bold prediction: In 50,000 years evolution will have taken care of Bears fans.

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by I voted for Kodos on Apr 25, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whether he deserves another chance or not...

… he’ll get one if he completes his treatment program and avoids another arrest (not exactly a sure thing).

I just don’t want it to be with the Packers.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2011 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Count me as one who thinks he got off easy

He was caught with so much codeine, he pretty much had to be dealing. While on probation for an earlier offense. And for pleading guilty, he gets more probation and a slap-on-the-wrist fine?

He blew off probation before, why do they think this time will be any different?

by DaveInTucson on Apr 22, 2011 11:03 PM CDT reply actions  

3 strikes & you're out

He’s got one more with John Law. Hopefully he’ll keep this probation.

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by Wiedmann on Apr 22, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

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