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Casey Matthews Is Drafted By The Eagles, While The Packers Draft Smith and Elmore Instead

If there was any allure to seeing Green Bay Packers LB Clay Matthews play alongside his brother, the dream ended when the Eagles drafted ILB Casey Matthews in the fourth round. More on Casey over at Bleeding Green Nation.

I saw the occasional inquiry about him here at APC over the past couple months, but there wasn't a huge interest him. From comments he made in the past, it sounded like Casey wouldn't mind staying out of his big brother's shadow, and maybe Green Bay wasn't his first choice.

To acquire him, the Packers would have had to draft him in the third round, or trade up in the fourth. But the Packers did want to add a couple linebackers, and did draft two players projected as outside linebackers, but at least one of them could be moved inside. Did the Packers make the right choice to draft them instead of Casey Matthews?

Round 6, No. 186 overall. Appalachian State LB D.J. Smith. His ranking at NFL Draft Scout indicated he wouldn't be drafted, but the Packers obviously liked him. 5-11 is really short for an NFL linebacker, but Casey Matthews is only two inches taller. GM Ted Thompson had some high praise for his late round pick, and explained why Smith's height isn't a problem. From the Press-Gazette:

D.J. Smith is shorter, but not smaller. He’s got good arm length and very good football player. He might be most productive tackler in history of college football.

I could see him being moved inside, that's where I would expect a productive tackler to play. However, his true value might be on special teams. They might envision him as the guy to run right down the middle of the field and disrupt kick returns.

Star-divide

Round 6, No. 197 overall. Arizona DE Ricky Elmore. This is part of the thing I don't understand about scouting. Brooks Reed was a first round talent from Arizona despite being out played by Elmore for the past couple years. Elmore's 40 time sucked, but he was getting to the quarterback despite being "slow". He led the Pac-10 in sacks in each of the past two seasons. That might be explained by his great time in the 20 yard shuttle. He's not going to have to chase a quarterback 40 yards to record a sack. I expect he'll be an outside linebacker, and the more I read about him, the more I like him.

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Elmore looks like he could be good

I think they’ll move him to OLB opposite Clay. I watched his highlights, and he was getting after the QB consistently. It may have had something to do with other teams doubling up on Brooks, but if that’s the case and teams continue doubling up on Clay, he could do some damage from the other side if left unaccounted for. Plus, you know he wants to play because he’s almost like a Rodgers of the defense. He’s always been overlooked or in someone else’ shadow his whole career, so he’s got some drive in him

by TXPackerBacker on May 2, 2011 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

he could do some damage from the other side if left unaccounted for

I could do some damage on the otherside if I was left unaccounted for!!! LOL And I’m about a buck seventy!

I’ve seen Elmore play a couple times and was never been impressed. Not like I was studying him tho. Just think the triumverate of Jones/Walden/Zombo are all better. Elmore did alright in college, but I don’t see the athleticism needed to compete in the NFL. Heart and hustle can get you only so far… Not expecing Elmore to land a roster spot. Might be lucky to get a practice squad spot.

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon now Stroh

How do you know that Jones/Walden/Zombo are all better when we haven’t even seen him play in the pros yet. That’s an unfair judgement. So he leads the Pac-10 in sacks two years in a row, and to you he’s barely even serviceable, lucky to get a spot on the practice squad even? So then where does that leave Brooks when Elmore is statistically superior to him for the past 2 years?

by TXPackerBacker on May 2, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said...

Saw Elmore play a couple times and he didnt’ make an impression. Just my opinion! And he lacks some athleticism for the position. Doesn’t mean he can’t earn a spot, just that I didn’t see anything to suggest he would be able to beat out Jones/Walden/Zombo…

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many OLB make the roster?

We have 4 w/ Matthews, Jones, Walden, Zombo… If we keep 5 OLB he might stick cuz he won’t have to beat anyone out.

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine Stroh you win

I don’t care. You’re right. No one else has a valid opinion. Elmore was a wasted pick because you saw no talent behind him even though he only had 21.5 sacks in two seasons. But you’re the all knowing Stroh! I forgot that! Go Terminator! Team Stroh all the way!!!!

by TXPackerBacker on May 2, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say you were wrong...

Just stated MY Opinion! SHeesh don’t take it so personal!!! So apparently your allowed an opinion, but I’m not?!

If nobody is allowed an opinion other than you I guess you can just F OFF!

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on May 2, 2011 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Stroh, that's not it

You haven’t even given the guy a chance and you’re already writing him off. I know that we may be heavy on the OLB side, but who’s to say he doesn’t beat one of the other guys out. Apparently you already know he won’t from the massive amounts that you’ve seen from him. You don’t like it when other people “stroh” you now, do you? That’s how it feels to argue against you. You never concede points against others, so why should I have to concede against you? I can think illogically too.

Now, I’m not saying you’re wrong, because you could be right. The thing is WE DON’T KNOW. You have to give the kid a chance to prove himself before just going and saying he’s going to be lucky to even make the PS

by TXPackerBacker on May 2, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't written him OFF!!!

I stated my OPINION on him! I NEVER said you weren’t allowed your opinion! And I didn’t get condescending! YOU DID!!! Twice in my previous 3 posts I STATED it was only MY OPINIION! But that apparently isn’t enough for you!!! Take your condescention and shove it up your ASS!!!

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's just put it this way. We're both condescending.

So with that aside, You’re right. You stated your opinion on him. Which is the kid is barely even worthy of the practice squad. Ok, you’ve seen him a couple times.

Now, work with me here a little. What makes you think that TT hasn’t gone through and studied this kid more thoroughly than just the times you’ve seen him? Other than the Harrell pick, he’s found quite a few gems in the rough. He gets paid what he does for a reason. He’s the one inside that office evaluating talent. Not us. I at least want to see what he’s got before saying that he’ll be lucky to even make the practice squad. I’ve been happy with Ted’s picks a lot more than I’ve just written off.

Look at Clay for instance. Clay wasn’t the “superstar” when he was drafted either. A lot of people thought the same way you did. Cushing was the one getting all the attention out of that draft. Now look what happened. Clay is the one grabbing all the headlines, making offenses worry. Who’s to say that won’t happen here? Sure, Elmore may not be nearly as good. But you also have to look at what was happening with the OLB’s last year. Clay was the only one who was healthy for the majority of the season and even he missed a couple games. Jones was out almost half the year. Zombo was in and out. Walden was picked up off the street, made some really good plays, then he was out for part of the playoffs too. We were hurting at OLB, but still made it work.

Now what if he comes in, wows them, and has a place on the roster. I’m sure he’s not going to keep all those TE’s and FB’s. A few of those guys like Williams and Taylor or tweeners. Hall, he may be let go because he’s primarily special teams. Havner was brought back last year, but as soon as he came back, he went on IR. Who’s to say he stays? Those guys could free up some space for an extra OLB. He could even bulk up some and try his hand at DE. TT and MM have earned some leeway in my eyes in who they pick and what they want to do with them. So, I’ll just leave it at that. You can have your opinion, and I’ll have mine. There’s really no use debating it anymore, because we probably won’t change each others minds.

by TXPackerBacker on May 2, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was not condescending.

I supported my opinion. I didn’t say you couldn’t have yours… Your the one that went the team stroh crap! I never put your opinion down in any way!

You can’t ever mention Elmore in the same breath as Matthews. CM had outstanding measurables and clearly thompson saw enough to make him a 1st round pick! Elmore has marginal at best athleticism. He can have all the heart in the world but at some point athletic ability wins out. Hell even Zombo tested out better than Elmore! And Jones and Walden are both a couple years ahead of Elmore in playing 34 OLB! Just cuz he put up some stats at UofA doesn’t automatically mean he can do it in the NFL, much less as an OLB. So he IS behind those 4… And I don’t see that changing soon.

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

See Stroh, that's why I was "condescending"

You expect everyone to respect your opinions, but when people say their own, they can never be right. Like how I can’t put Elmore in the “same breath” as Clay.

Testing out doesn’t mean much to me. It’s just saying, “this guy can take a test”. Not all people who excel in tests actually excel in what they’re tested in. It’s a controlled environment, not the real thing. When he fails in the real thing, then you can say what you want about how he isn’t NFL worthy. Until then, it’s just speculation. So yes, you’re entitled to speculate how you don’t see him comparing to the other 4, because yes, he is an unknown commodity. But just because YOU don’t see much in him, doesn’t mean that Ted doesn’t. I’m sorry Stroh, but at this point, I value Ted’s endorsement of a player over yours

by TXPackerBacker on May 2, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Were did I say you can't have yours?

In fact I said a couple times your welcome to your opinion! Don’t expect me to back down from mine just cuz you disagree w/ it! Apparently you can’t handle someone not bowing to your All World Football knowledge!! Now that IS condeseding!!!

I’m done w/ this conversation… go ahead and make it seem like you won.

You've been Stroh'd™!!!

by Strohman on May 2, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never claimed to be all knowing.

I just said that there are a lot of factors involved, and I’ll take the professional’s evaluation over yours until he’s legitimately unable to make the team.

by TXPackerBacker on May 2, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

too much bickering...

stroh,
how come you seem to end up in the middle of this shit so often? coincidence? go easy man…

by Jeigh AK on May 2, 2011 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah......

I don’t really see anything except a pretty normal back and forth in this one. Nothing overly antagonistic from Stroh until they both started going at it, which I’m not even sure why it happened in the first place.

by PhoenicianPakFan on May 2, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stroh was not the istigatorm here.

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and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
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by NorthStarr on May 2, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right, he wasn't

I was. And for that, I apologize Stroh. We had a difference of opinions and I got out of hand with it.

by TXPackerBacker on May 3, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

accepted

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by Strohman on May 3, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Dont fall for it

This kid is an animal.. not only will he make the team, by next year he could be the starter. I’ve seen the kid and he plays lights out as good or better than Reed. He reminds me allot of Kampman except that he can play linebacker in the 3-4. I’d put money on it.

by MikeyG76 on May 2, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope your right...

I just don’t see it.

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter....

he’s a Wildcat and therefore only allowed to bring water/gatorade to the real players during timeouts.

by PhoenicianPakFan on May 2, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

ASU?

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!

by Omaha Sun on May 2, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

No U of A...

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was asking him if he was an ASU fan.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!

by Omaha Sun on May 3, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

ASU fan, definitely.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 2, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Him and I both...

Well kinda for me. I can’t stand U of A, so in that rivalry I’m always a devil… Mostly I could care less about either of them.

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great points

about Elmore. Quickness is much more important than straigh line speed. Zombo, Jones, Walden, Elmore. Very good depth and all fairly young.

and everything anyone reads about him, or our other picks, is that he is a high character guy that loves playing football.

Seems like we got some good people that love football.

Good job TT.

by Acme on May 2, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Size matter not

Short linebackers —> London Fletcher, Zach Thomas, Mike Singletary, Tom Jackson

by gangstaff on May 2, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed. I could care less about height really. It sounds like the guy was an absolute tackling machine at Appalachian State. Who knows, maybe he’ll turn into a contributor as an ILB but if not, I’m sure he can be a good special teams guy.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on May 2, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Early indications are that Elmore was the best value pick of our draft.

I think NFL post had him as a 5.7 prospect with Reed as a 6.3. Not a whole lot of difference for the disparity between when they were picked.

All is vanity.

by levnclf on May 2, 2011 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Smith and Elmore

If TT wants to take a look at them, then that’s good enough for me. Last yr., who woulda thunk Zombo would make the team?

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by bigbill992001 on May 2, 2011 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Or Brad Jones the year before that?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 2, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say what you will about the guy.

But he STAYS HOME. More than I could say about many DE/OLBs.

by msc32887 on May 2, 2011 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not too concerned about Smith or Elmore this year... : )

Competition is good… : ) And it may take a while for them both to make an impact… I certainly wouldn’t discount either of them the 2nd day of May… Special Teams have sucked the last few years… They may not SUCK this year!?!? : )

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by BirdDogUni on May 2, 2011 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

JSOnline Story about Elmore.....

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/121130074.html

Hires Clay Matthews Jr. to train him for combine and now after draft at the same place Casey and Clay III work out. So he will be quite familiar with the Matthews style of preparation by the time the lockout ends.

Maybe Clay can even sneak him a play book or something….

by PhoenicianPakFan on May 2, 2011 10:33 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I read that yesterday...

At least he’s doing what he can to give himself a shot.

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by Strohman on May 2, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Stroh... Just a friendly reminder... We really thought a lot of Hughes last year...

I’m not saying he wouldn’t have made a better Packer than Colt… But, as of yet… He hasn’t worked out in INDY… In fact… As of right this second… You’d have to call him a BUST!! Not saying that he won’t come out this year and tear it up… Just making a point…

I wasn’t very impressed with the DJ SMITH pick initially… Especially after what I read on NFL.COM… But, after a few days and hearing what some others have said about him… I think he’ll mirror D. Bishop… ST ace until he gets his shot!

ELMORE ~ Reminds me of a guy I played ball with in College… He didn’t look the part… He didn’t even look like a FB player… But… HE PRODUCED every time he was on the field… : )

You know I’m a GLASS HALF FULL TYPE GUY… I think Elmore will develop into a ball player!! You can’t discount production… And he out-produced REED… That has to give you pause… : )

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by BirdDogUni on May 3, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

can’t discount production

Yeah on another article I mentioned that… ANd that he had better stats than Reed… IMO, he lacks the explosiveness and athletic ability to succeed on the NFL level. Hope Im wrong and he’s CM v. 2… I just don’t see it in him.

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by Strohman on May 3, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if Elmore will be a CM3 version 2

I just hope he can be a solid young LB in the Packers system. And the only way that will happen is if he makes the team.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

HE'S OK

I really wanted chris carter from fresno state to be a pick for the packers… When i watched him play in college he had one of the fastest burst to get at a QB…. I was hoping the Packers drafted him but the Elmore pick was ok

by the great GB on May 3, 2011 2:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Not sure I want someone

with this guy’s name

playing for the Packers. :)

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on May 8, 2011 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

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