NFL Network's "Top 100 Players of 2011" Thread #2
by Omaha Sun on May 22, 2011 10:53 PM CDT
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Due to the Comments closing on the last thread, I have copy/pasted the list and posted it here. It is updated through Player 61.
For those of you who are priveleged enough to have NFL Network, I'm sure you are aware of the series they have running called the "Top 100." They previously ranked the top 100 players of all time, and now they are ranking the top 100 active players for the 2010-2011 season. This list is actually voted on by current NFL players, not analysts and writers like many other ranking shows. The series debuted last week with players 91-100, and tonight's episode counted down 81-90. I thought I'd create this FanPost as an open thread for debate and discussion about the list. Read the list, and offer your opinions. Who is on here that shouldn't be? Who is too low?
Miscellaneous List Facts:
- 10 Miami Hurricanes on the list, the most of any school
- 7 Packers on the list, the most of any team
- 59 offensive players and 41 defensive players on the list
- 12 QBs on the list
- 2 teams with 0 players on the list
- 5 TEs and 5 OTs on the list
And now the list...
* Bold = Packers
* Italics = Rookies
Episode 1: 91-100
100) Donovan McNabb, QB, WAS
99) Chad Clifton, LT, GB
98) Darren McFadden, RB, OAK
97) Shaun Phillips, OLB, SD
96) Nick Collins, FS, GB
95) Jon Beason, MLB, CAR
94) Frank Gore, RB, SF
93) Eric Berry, SS, KC
92) Lance Briggs, OLB, CHI
91) Terrell Owens, WR, CIN
Episode 2: 81-90
90) Joe Flacco, QB, BAL
89) Adrian Wilson, SS, ARI
88) Vernon Davis, TE, SF
87) Jordan Gross, LT, CAR
86) Josh Freeman, QB, TB
85) Jason Babin, DE, TEN
84) Joshua Cribbs, Weapon, CLE
83) Mike Williams, WR, TB
82) LaMarr Woodley, OLB, PIT
81) B.J. Raji, NT, GB
Episode 3: 71-80
80) Jared Allen, DE, MIN
79) D'Brickashaw Ferguson, LT, NYJ
78) Dallas Clark, TE, IND
77) Chris Snee, G, NYG
76) Santonio Holmes, WR, NYJ
75) Jay Ratliff, NT, DAL
74) Greg Jennings, WR, GB
73) Trent Cole, DE, PHI
72) Tony Romo, QB, DAL
71) Mario Williams, DE, HOU
Episode 4: 61-70
70) Miles Austin, WR, DAL
69) John Abraham, DE, ATL
68) Antrel Rolle, FS, NYG
67) Brian Waters, LG, KC
66) Richard Seymour, DE, OAK
65) Vonta Leach, FB, HOU
64) Tamba Hali, OLB, KC
63) Cameron Wake, OLB, MIA
62) Jerod Mayo, ILB, NE
61) Brandon Marshall, WR, DEN
60) Justin Tuck, DE, NYG
59) Jeff Saturday, OC, IND
58) Brandon Lloyd, WR, DEN
57) Andre Gurode, OC, DAL
56) Ray Rice, RB, BAL
55) Carl Nicks, OG, NO
54) Asante Samuel, CB, PHI
53) Marques Colston, WR, NO
52) Matt Ryan, QB, ATL
51) Ndamukong Suh, DT, DET
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Can’t say I have a problem w/ Marshall being ranked higher than Jennings. If I got to pick between the 2 I would take Marshall. He brings more to the table w/ his size and physicality. He had a bad year this season, cuz his QB stinks. Can’t see that changing soon, but if I had to guess which has a better ’11 season, I would guess Jennings.
Does Vonta Leach (former Packer) really do enough to be on this list? Is he really productive in the passing game? Or is it just for his blocking?
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Neither would most of the fans and any of the analysts that react.
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No way should Austin be ranked higher than Jennings
That is absurd right there. I can see Marshall being ranked higher than Jennings, but I personally wouldn’t rank him higher. Marshall is a physical guy who can dominate the game, but for a go to guy (albeit with bad QB’s) he doesn’t have the stats I would want to see.
Career Stats comparison
Brandon Marshall – 5 seasons, 413 catches, 5033 yards (12.2 yards per catch), 4.5 YAC, 28 touchdowns.
Greg Jennings – 5 seasons, 322 catches, 5222 yards (16.2 yards per catch), 6.1 YAC, 40 touchdowns.
Brandon Marshall has pretty much been the only person his QB throws to for the last 3 seasons, while Jennings has to compete for looks with 3-4 guys on every play, which explains the disparity in catches. Other than that stat, Jennings is superior in every category.
They're used totally differently too...
Like I said Marshall brings a physical presence that Jennings just doesn’t have. Makes comparing numbers pointless, IMO!
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Yes, Brandon Marshall is a more impressive physical specimen than Jennings. I don’t see how that makes pointing out that Jennings has better stats in every category “pointless”…. This isn’t “who has the most athletic talent,” it’s “who is the better WR.”
by Packers3485 on May 23, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said...
If given the choice between them, I would take Marshall. Maybe you wouldn’t. Either way its an opinion. Marshall also played w/ a terrible QB on a run 1st team last year. Marshall is more like Welker than Jennings. Both Marshall and Welker are used similarly, they just go about it completely differently. Jennings is a game breaker, Marshall is a player that dominates and controls the field. Jennings threatens the field deep, Marshall doesn’t.
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I agree that quality of QB definitely factors into the equation, but that is at least partially evened out by the number of looks each guy gets in his offense. In the Packer’s “spread the wealth” system, it’s a rare occurrence for Jennings to see the ball thrown his way more than 8 times or so per game, while it’s rare for Marshall to see it under 10 times. (Marshall has averaged about 50 more targets per year than Jennings since Marshall became a full-time player.)
Obviously, they are very different kinds of players…hell, in terms of physical ability and the way he plays, Marshall is more easily comparable to Jermichael Finley than to Jennings. But sometimes, it’s hard to argue against stats. To me, Marshall is overrated (clearly, you disagree).
And in case you pay any mind to what they do over at Football Outsiders, Jennings has consistently been ranked much higher in both their major categories (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement, and Defense-adjusted Value Over Average.) Marshall’s best years in either category don’t even come close to Jennings’ worst years.
by Packers3485 on May 24, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
This.
Marshall is a bigger Welker.
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by insertscreenname on May 29, 2011 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Marshall vs.Welker
Strictly as a player I’d take Marshall. But as a teammate I’d take Welker. Overall Marshall is just too much of a headache, and I’d go Welker.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 4, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Ever single highlight was of him smacking some fool. I guess when you block for the league’s leading rusher tou get major props. But 65 is way too high for a FB. Kurt Warner didn’t think he should even be on teh list.
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major props
Thats what I kinda figured too. No doubt he’s a good blocker, but he isn’t much of a reciever out of the backfield, least he wasn’t in GB.
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Agreed on Leach.
That was the first thing that stood out to me on this list. I thought to myself “WTF is Leach doing in the top 100, let alone at 65?”
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The only reason Austin is so high on this list....
is because they were afraid if they didn’t put him on here he would smile at them and their souls would melt.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 23, 2011 3:15 AM CDT reply actions
Richard Seymour over Mario Williams AND Jared Allen?!?
common…
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by bleedbluegold03 on May 23, 2011 11:53 AM CDT reply actions
and Trent Cole over those two to add to the insanity
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by bleedbluegold03 on May 23, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Jared Allen shouldn't be ON the list...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The analysts said he was one of the biggest snubs,
maybe even more so than Greg. I laughed at Jay Glazer.
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What's so bad about that?
Richard Seymour is one of the few 3-4 ends that can get to the QB, and he’s very solid against the run as well. It’s much easier to be a pass-rusher 4-3 end than a pass-rushing 3-4 end. And neither Williams nor Allen is as strong against the run. If he was still a few years younger I’d say Seymour was the one who got snubbed.
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by I voted for Kodos on May 23, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, so this is supposed to be the topp 100 of last season, correct?
So why are the majority of highlights on the show from previoues seasons? Half the highlights are of the player on a former team. How the heck does what John Abraham did with NYJ have anything to do with his season last year with the Falcons?
And one guy (can’t remember who at the moment) kept talking about consistency and “over the past 3 years,” and argued McNabb would have had a top 5-7 season on a better team.
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Clearly a subjective look.
Which anyone voting would take more than just the most recent season into account when voting. Kinda hard to remove past impressions from that subjective evaluation.
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I completely understand that,
and I think it should definitely be taken into consideration. But there is no way someone like Donovan McNabb should be anywhere near this list over other QBs that had better seasons and will likely continue to have better seasons. Or when guys who missed much of this season like Tony Romo make the list because they’ve been among the best over the past few years.
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And one guy (can’t remember who at the moment) … argued McNabb would have had a top 5-7 season on a better team.
don’t agree.
They traded McNabb to a division rival because they believe that he is no longer capable of “a top 5-7 season.”
IMO, they’re right.
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They did such a fantastic job with Marvin
in the old BBC mini-series from the late 1970s. :)
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I was wondering that myself. Is this a list of the top 100 players of last season or the 100 players as of last season? If it’s the former, then there’s no way Tony Romo should be on the list at all, let alone above Jennings.
by $-The Moneyman-$ on May 25, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
The problem is that they didn't really specify it seems like.
Or if they did, they didn’t tell us or the players that voted.
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I am its the second choice. Not really sure what good a list discussing best players of one season would be.
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Marvin Harrison could make a lifetime list for his 2003 season alone.
Seriously, that year was RIDICULOUS.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 25, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus he shot a dude.
Allegedly.
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by insertscreenname on May 29, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
It's actually meant to be a projection for 2011
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by insertscreenname on May 29, 2011 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Off topic, but
Anybody else notice the name missing from the list of APC authors at the bottom of the page?
Can’t say, at this time, that I’m sorry to see it, myself.
Maybe in a few more years, after he has had time to grow as a writer.
I sincerely wish him luck in that regard.
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Its hard to believe there's 73 players better than Jennings.
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That doesn’t seem that shocking to me…I didn’t think it was an injustice.
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Marquis Colston and Brandon Loyd are ranked higher
I understand Colston, and see why (not that I agree with it), but Lloyd? Cmon, really? Sure, he had a great season, but that’s still just one season out of 8 or so; no consistency.
I really don’t understand how the players voted for this list. McNabb and Romo make the list, even though they had bad or non-existent seasons. That suggests they were including league reputation in their evaluation. Then they vote Lloyd up there high, higher than Jennings, for one season of work.
Ask San Francisco or Washington fans how they feel about Lloyd.
Then get the firefighting suits…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he lead the league in receiving yards last year (or the year before) though?
And like insertscreenname said, this list is probably more of a 2011 projection than a 2010 recap
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 30, 2011 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Then how do you explain Brandon Marshall?
He had a relatively poor season last year and in ‘11 that doesn’t seem likely to change w/ the same team and same poor QB play.
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I have a feeling that "asking the players" is a lot like the Coaches' Poll in the NCAA
As in, most of them don’t really know what’s going on, and probably don’t pay much mind to the rankings.
That’s pretty much the only explanation I can come with for the rankings so far. Massive fail.
For what he's got throwing him the ball,
Marshall had a good year.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 2, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He was the leader in yards last year.
However, Jennings was top 5 in both yards and touchdowns last year. If this a 2011 projection too, then why is Lloyd that high still? He hasn’t been consistent his whole career, so why would we expect him to put together two great seasons?
Not sure, I don't know what the players are thinking....
that was more of a possible explanation for why people like Romo were in it…. but then again so was McNabb and I doubt he even gets better than he was last year.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 30, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Romo is expected to do well in 2011,
Since that’s what the list is. Top 100 for 2011.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 2, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure that's what it is?
Last season was 2010-2011, and next season is 2011-2012. I was operating under the assumption that it was the top 100 players of last season. Madden naming style.
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NFL Network’s “Top 100 Players of 2011” Thread #2
As for 2010-2011 and 2011-2012, the first part is the regular season; the second part is merely the playoffs.
I, myself, have always considered the season year to be the year of the regular season; thus, last season was the 2010 season and this season will be the 2011 season.
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I understand the argument for both sides,
but did NFLN ever elaborate? This seems more like a list of guys who did great last season than a prediction of what guys will do next year.
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Or,
a prediction of what guys will do next year, based on who did great last season?
Don’t have NFLN, currently, so have no way of knowing.
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I've watched 3 of the 5 episodes so far, and it seems to be a ranking based on last year, hence guys like Lloyd and Foster being so high.
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But they're expected to do well this upcoming season,
based on what they did last season or over their careers.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 5, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, 51-60 finally updated.
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I've mentioned this before...
But Vonta Leach being on this list is idiotic! Guys a good player, but he is NOT a Top 100 NFL player. Great blocking FB, who offers little as a reciever or runner!
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Conflicted
Leach being on this list is similar to Cribbs, in my opinion. They’re both great at what they do, but are they on the field enough to warrant top 100 status? The players seem to think so, but I guess it all depends on how they decide who to include on their lists. Some players might have picked teammates, some might have voted for guys they thought were underrated, etc.
This list makes for fun debate, but would I’d really like to see is a list made by coaches and/or scouts.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 4, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Scouts.
That is something that I haven’t really seen that would be awesome. Coaches, players, and fans are all A) biased and B) either do not have the time (players, coaches) or the access/experience (fans) to really make an accurate list.
But scouts analyze players for a living. That is their entire job. It would be tremendous if someone could put together a group of scouts to make a list like this.
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Thats what I said a month ago or more...
The scouts are the guys who would do the best lists like this. Coacher look at film for matchups and to gain an advantage. Fans and players don’t really know squat overall. Scouts? This is their job. Its what they do and all they do! Why they don’t use them is beyong me… Unless their contracts w/ teams don’t allow it. But they would do the best analysis of something like this!
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I caught a bit of the reaction show today.
Brandon Lloyd had the nerve to say Greg is where he should be.
On the other hand, Michael Irvin had him at number 1 (said because his catches meant something, i.e. just because we won the SB he’s #1) and Torry Holt had him at #2 nehind Andre.
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Congrats Brandon
You finally had one good year after being a massive failure for seven years. Of course, it was completely meaningless since it didn’t help your team from being one of the worst in the league.
But don’t let that stop you from being cocky.
He didn't come across as cocky in what I saw of him...
I actually liked his time on NFL Network…. seems like he could be a good analyst. May disagree with his opinions from time to time, but he certainly didn’t come across as cocky.
There is only so much active players can say when trying to be “analysts” since they still have to go out and play with guys they are supposed to be “analyzing” in the media. The retired guys can be a little more controversial.
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jun 4, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, Irvin's an idiot,
But Jennings should be higher. He should certainly crack most top 10 WR lists, but could be ranked anywhere from about 5 to 10. I’d have him as the the 5th best WR in the league, behind Andre Johnson, Larry Fitz, Calvin Johnson and Darrius Heyward-Bey Reggie Wayne.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 5, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Asante Samuel and Marques Colston, 20 spots ahead of Jennings....
Um……no. Just no.
Asante Samuel is greatly overrated
Any CB who takes risks will get INTs and will also get burned. Samuel gets burned too much to make up for his picks, in my opinion. And he’s not much help in run support, which should count against him, too.
Colston’s a very good receiver, in my opinion, top 10, but I don’t think he’s ahead of Jennings. They’re different style players, which makes it kind of hard to compare, but in my biased opinion Jennings is the better player.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 4, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually think Marques Colston is one of the easiest WRs to compare Jennings to
Both are clearly the best receivers on their team, and they both have awesome QBs throwing them the ball, but they’re both on pass-happy offenses that are better than just about everyone else when it comes to spreading the passes out to all the WRs, TEs, RBs, etc. In terms of fantasy football, they are the exact same kind of player – ones that will be incredibly frustrating because any game could be one where they get barely any looks, but you can obviously never bench them, no matter the matchup.
Then you look at the stats, and there’s no way Colston should be 20 spots ahead of Jennings. They both have 40 touchdowns, Jennings has about 140 more yards in 3 more games. In yards per game, Colston is at 70.8 while Jennings is at 69.6. In yards per catch, Jennings is at 16.2 while Colston is at 13.8. Jennings is better at YAC, while Colston has more first downs.
These are players that should literally be right next to each other in these rankings. These rankings are absolutely ridiculous. Usually when people deny that Jennings is underrated, they talk about the fact that he has Aaron Rodgers throwing it to him. But I can pretty much guarantee that Drew Brees is one of the 10 people ranked higher than Rodgers on this list. So what could possibly be the justification for Colston being 20 spots higher than Jennings, despite almost identical stats and identical offensive situations?
Similar systems, equally productive QBs
But different playing styles. I should have been clearer. Colston is a big receiver who uses his large frame to position himself for catches. Both are good route runners. Jennings is shifty and fast but lacks Colston’s size. I meant to contrast their phsyical attributes, not their numbers/QBs/situations. Should have stated that.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 5, 2011 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I realized that's where you were going with it
Just that I’ve had that argument on other sites so many times (though obviously, in those cases it was with people who didn’t think Jennings was as good).
My opinion is this – Yeah, Jennings doesn’t measure up physically to a lot of the freaks out there. But in the end, it isn’t your 40 time, your height, your weight, your vertical jump, etc. that makes someone the best. It is how you actually play the game. And Jennings has stats that very few receivers can compete with. People with similar or even inferior numbers consistently get ranked above Jennings, and the reason people give is always “Well, the other guy is just bigger, faster, more athletic, etc..” Hell, if anything, then they should be downgraded for having simliar/worse numbers than this “inferior” athletic specimen.
I think you’ll probably agree with all that. Just that I see it so often – had the same argument with Stroh earlier in this thread. In the end, when players are in consideration for the HOF, they aren’t going to be talking about their 40 time or their athleticism, they’ll be talking about the numbers.
Agreed
Also agree that the numbers that count are the production numbers, not the size/speed numbers.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 5, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't actually get burnt,
primarily because the Eagles know what he’s trying to do, and slide a safety over the top. The problem with that is the detrimental effect on the coverage on the other side of the field. But he does what a corner is trying to do – force the QB to throw away from him. He may be a little high rankings-wise, but does that have more to do with his play, or the fact that guys behind him are ranked too low?
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by insertscreenname on Jun 5, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
If you need to have a safety over the top
Then it’s just as bad as being burnt. I think Samuel is good, but don’t think he’s great. As you say, his coverage affects coverage over the rest of the field. I think that a truly elite CB doesn’t cause his defensive coordinator to adjust coverage to protect him.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 5, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
a truly elite CB
(future Hall of Famer Charles Woodson) will cause his defensive coordinator to adjust coverage to utilize him in as many ways as possible.
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See
Any CB who takes risks will get INTs and will also get burned.
Terrell Buckley. :)
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