Who is the one on the hot seat?
Now that the dust has settled on the draft and we have had some time to process I thought it might be a good idea to take a guess as to which Packers are saying "Oh Crap" based upon our draft selections....or to put it another way which guys are already on the hot seat. Now some of these guys are on the hot seat because we've drafted a guy who looks promising...sometimes it's injuries...sometimes he's just got a big mouth. Either here's a list of guys who have their work cut out for them when train camp starts up.
1. Mark Tauscher.
Why he's on the hot seat: Age, Injuries, and our last two first round picks.
Why he might have some hope: He's cool and from Wisconsin damn it!
Alas the drafting of Sherrod was probably it for Tausch if he already wasn't pretty much done. Knee injures and father time have pretty much caught up here and he'll have a tough time securing even a back up roll if he does come back and play. Here's hoping he's offered a FO job or a coaching position and he can just stay in the family.
2. Nick Barnett.
Why he's on the hot seat: Twitter, injuries, his contract, A.J. Hawk's contract, Desmond Bishop becoming really good.
Why he might have some hope: CBA nonsense and the fact he's got something left in the tank.
It's tough cutting good players, but it's tougher to pay starter money to a guy who's probably going to sit the bench. Hawk and Bishop pretty much handled things along the inside last year when Barnett went down and both have reupped with the Packer for some time. Mix that with the picture scandal around the SB last year and you have a perfect recipe for a vet cutting. Really if he makes it to camp I'll be surprised. Thanks for the memories Nick and we all wish you the best!
3. Quinn Johnson and Korey Hall.
Why they are on the hot seat: disappointing production and TT's love affair with drafting TE's and H-backs.
Why they might have some hope: TT's love affair with keeping FB's.
It might be unfair to lump these two together because they each have a different reason for landing on my list, but their problems are essentially the same. The problem facing these two guys are D.J. Williams and Ryan Taylor. But PA those guys are TE's and Johnson and Hall are FB's. Yes, that's true, but Hall has a spotty injury history and Johnson is one dimensional. Williams and Talyor on the other hand have the basic ability to line up in the FB spot, plus the TE spot, plus do any special teams work, and hopefully stay healthy doing it. Really my gut tells me that these two face the chopping block before Crabtree and Quarless......but not before..........
4. Spencer Havner.
Why he is on the hot seat: D.J. Williams, Ryan Taylor, and Jermichael Finely being healthy again.
Why he might have some hope: Being a jack of all trades master of none.
Oh Havner! You could of been the folk hero John Kuhn became, but instead you decided to get drunk and crash your bike. Not smart and that probably cost you your job last year. This year I really don't see you making the team either because TE is loaded and while you are pretty decent at many things...TE, LB, Special teams....you just aren't really good at any of it. Sorry dude.
5. Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood.
Why they are on the hot seat: Injuries, prostitutes, and generally not progressing much in 3 or 4 years.
Why they may have some hope: Umm....special teams and depth? Maybe they can convince a coach they could still be good?
I don't have much hope here. The best argument each of these guys could give last year was basically there was something there to build on and "at least he's not Jarett Bush." Well when the crap hit the fan in the Super Bowl last year it was Bush who stepped in before either of these two guys and played decent. Mix that cold hard fact with the Packers selecting Davon House and I don't see how both of these guys stick. Heck if the Pack finds another guy along the line of Sam Shields in UDFA's this year both could be hitting the street very soon.
6. Brett Swain.
Why he is on the hot seat: Randall Cobb and dropping passes in the Super Bowl.
Why he might have some hope: Being tall, fast, CBA madness, and good enough at special teams
Swain probably boils down to what the rules are for 2011 with free agency. If it's 2010 rules Swain is gone. If it's 2009 rules Swain stays. Why do I say this? Well because the Packers are probably only going to keep 5 WR's this year and Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, and Jordy Nelson aren't going anywhere. Randall Cobb will also make the team short of a complete disaster. That leaves James Jones and Swain battling out for the last spot....and let's be honest this really isn't a battle. Thus Swain's best hope of staying in GB is Jones leaving and that is pretty much dependent on the free agency rules.
7. Brady Poppinga.
Why he is on the hot seat: Injuries, a glut middling OLB's, and a big contract.
Why he might have some hope: being an experienced middling OLB and crazy enough to play special teams.
Poppinga seems like a fun guy, but I just don't see him in GB anymore. This is a guy not talented enough to hold off Brad Jones for the starter's spot last year. He then was given the opportunity after Jones fell to injury early only to quickly become injured himself...oh and he did nothing special with the opportunity before he got injured. Now I have nothing against Frank Zombo, Erik Walden, and Brad Jones...it's just that they are all basically the same guy. Sure each have slightly differing strengths but at the end of the day each are going to be good enough to hold down the fort and not quite good enough to really change the game or take much pressure off of Clay Matthews. Rickey Elmore is another name to that list who looks at this point similar to Jones & Co. So the question becomes are the Packers going to keep 5 OLB's? Probably not and so heads will have to roll. Why not start with the oldest, most injury prone, and highest paid of them all since they are about the same?
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Thanks for the catch...stupid finals wrecking my brain.
by PackApologist on May 7, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Sucker
I had my last one for the semester yesterday. Good luck finishing up yours.
Brewers, if you're really that desperate to disprove the saying "Defense wins championships" you're going to have to at least hit the ball occasionally.
I'm done with high school as of Thursday.
Bombed most of my finals, but what does it matter? I already got all my college money and am enrolled.
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WHAT?!
You’re telling me you’ve lived your formative years with Bill Callahan as a head coach? I’m truly, truly sorry.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 8, 2011 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Who is this man?
Nebraska didn’t re-start playing football until 3 years ago.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 8, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Conspicuously missing,
(justifiably, or not)
Jarrett Bush. :)
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Bush
I hemmed and hawed on this one. I think right now Bush is just the bad penny of the Packers. As much as it always seems like this is the year of him leaving he just sticks around. He always seems to be good enough when it comes down to cut time.
I also didn’t want to lump him with Lee and Underwood because when push comes to shove he also seems to be ahead of them on the depth chart….meaning he’s out playing those two as well. If he continues to do that then House is more likely to push out those two chuckle heads then Bush himself.
by PackApologist on May 7, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
hemmed and hawed
I know what you mean.
That’s why I said, “justified or not.” :)
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Yep
He really improved his STs play last year.
As unbelievable as it is to hear it even from myself… I’d be upset if they cut him.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go ahead and eat this crow over here.
by Curly Lambeau on May 10, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Just watch.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
He's going to be a Packer
until he is 35, at least.
And, he’s going to go out with a few Super Bowl rings. :)
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Crabtree
I liked rounding the number at 7 to be honest and didn’t want to lump Crabtree with Havner. The biggest thing for me right now is that I think these two TE are going to push out at least one of the FB’s, mix that with TT loving to keep 4 TE’s means that Crabtree should be able to squeek in, but he has his work cut out for him.
Also, he seems to be the ugliest guy I’ve ever seen. Everytime I’ve seen a picture of him I’m left with the conclusion that he should be a random villian’s muscle in some cheap action film….he just has the mug for it.
by PackApologist on May 7, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Don’t you have to have an important role with the team to actually make it on the hot seat? Heck Crabtree and Havner were just role players even after an injuryto Finley. I don’t know that either one of them have earned the right to be on hot seat yet! haha
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The potential loss of their job could be considered being on the hotseat! Don't you think?
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Oh please
the man’s PAST the hot seat and sitting on the nuclear reactor…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know...
The Pack won two guys down the stretch on the basis of their special teams…both against the Bears who are widely regarded as one of the top special team units in the league. That has got to count for something.
by PackApologist on May 7, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Do two games down the stretch
forgive the unforgivably bad Week 3 game? I don’t think so.
The fact is, Slocum has a whole bunch of mediocrity on his resume. Had the man not lucked into Tim Masthay…well, you get the picture.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Or the dumbassery in Philly with the botched punt coverage...
or the jackassery in the SB with the fumble/collision?
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 8, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
The only players on the list worth keeping along with Cullen Jenkins is Nick Barnett and Quinn Johnson
Barnett has good years left in him, awesome red truck, and wants to stay in Green Bay. If Barnett is cut loose, who will back up Hawk and Bishop? If you say brandon Chillar acknowledge he has had more injury issues with his shoulder than Barnett having a freak wrist delocation and a torn acl a few years back…Barnett can do everything that Hawk amd Bishop can and would be a great Nickle/Dime linebacker due to his ability to cover….
Quin Johnson~he brings the wood amd will hit anyone to blow a hole open…Hall has to be expendable….keep Kuhn and Johnson
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by SpaceGhost34 on May 8, 2011 1:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Worth keeping
Anyone would rather have Barnett backing up at ILB, but he’s also due a salary of about 6M. Its totally unrealistic to pay a backup ILB 6M per! Johnson is a very ONE dimentional player who’s ONLY redeeming ability is to block w/ a little more power than Kuhn in short yardage situations! He is NOT worth keeping for such a limited role! In 2 years he hasn’t improved in ST, base offense or other necessary skills for a FB! IMO, he has to go… Right now I think both Johnson and Hall are expendable due to the presence of all the TE who play multiple roles on offense and ST! Keep Kuhn and as many TE, but no other FB!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Not to mention...
will Barnett cause some trouble if he’s not the starter…
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 8, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just it!
I guess we will see if he
wants to stay in Green Baybadly enough to take a pay cut down to what would be justifiable for a backup and be happy with the role because he knows it is what give him his best chance to get another ring.
I SERIOUSLY doubt it will happen, though.
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
Using
the Total Perspective Vortex.
It puts the whole universe in here with me. :)
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
The most horrible torture device to which a sentient being can be subjected to?!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Vikings season tickets?
Brewers, if you're really that desperate to disprove the saying "Defense wins championships" you're going to have to at least hit the ball occasionally.
No, you at least get to see the Packers once :-D
the other 7 home games? blech.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
One other bonus
You get Vikings-Bears, so you get to see at least one of those teams lose once a year. Also a great game for masochists.
53 Bears, 1 Cup
by I voted for Kodos on May 9, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Just confirmed

what I already knew!
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
THE BEARS STILL SUCK!
I agree.
I think his ego is too big for his desire for another ring. He can’t get over that he may have been replaced on this team. If he sits as a 2nd string ILB, I think he does/says something stupid this year and embarrasses us all.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 8, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing you are talking about is football related
He can negotiate like aj hawk did….What makes you think that Barnett cant take his starting spot back? Bishop is good but how many years have we seen Barnett be a very productive linebacker? He has an ego for a reason….Its because he is pretty fuckin good
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by SpaceGhost34 on May 8, 2011 9:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah and he's also finished 2 of the past 3 seasons on IR.
Not too mention he’s the much higher paid, oldest and most likely to say/do something stupid to cause problems. Hawk was in a little different situation, IMO. PLayers don’t take demotions w/ grace! They won’t stay w/ a team that demotes them unless they don’t really have other options! Like you mentioned they have rather large egos. Bishop comes w/ less baggage, as much or more ability moving forward and about 1/2 the salary.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Nick Barnett tweets his disapointment over a superbowl picture and all of the sudden he is 2010 Randy Moss?
What about Finley? Noone is going after him…(with reguards to twitter)
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by SpaceGhost34 on May 9, 2011 8:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He plays out of control
Overruns tackles, does a dance seemingly after every basic tackle (even after the ball carrier achieves a large gain, even when the other team is far ahead late in the game), seems like a thug on the field in my eyes. I dont know how he is in the locker room or behind closed doors, but I have never liked the way the guy plays. (awaiting crucifiction)
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
Won't get an argument here....
He’s a showboat. He has to be the center of attention…..even if its detrimental to the team.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 9, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Did I even mention twitter?
Didn’t think so… Baggage comes in alot of forms. How many times has Barnett been in the papers for saying/doing something? Quite a few… How many times has Bishop? Very few… Do the math!
And I agree w/ jarlbartar… His samurai thing when he makes a tackle for a 5 yd gain is beyond annoying!
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Wasnt there an incident at a nightclub in GB a few years back?
I dont know the guy personally, but he seems like trouble. Not Johnny Jolly type “drug and potentially rape” trouble, but trouble. And these guys tend to attract all sorts of the wrong attention to the organization and can drag other players down with them; Darrent Williams / Javon Walker
He’s actually underrated, but that’s another can of worms…
It was in Appleton
But yes… He did have a niteclub incident! Barnett isn’t a bad guy (no drugs or posse to deal w/), but he just seems to find a way to say or do something that draws attention of the wrong kind.
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Or there was the club in GB that he owned
You know the one where the GBPD pretty much begged the city to shut it down because they were getting called there every night to break up fights and the like.
by PackApologist on May 9, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember he owned one...
Wasn’t aware of the repeated calls to GBPD. Wasn’t it named "5""6" or something… On the corner of Broadway and Shawano?
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Yup Club 5 6
Shut down, but the front is still up on Broadway the next time you are in town.
by PackApologist on May 9, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Arent they renovating
That Broadway area? Thought I heard that when I was in GB during the SB week. Its been closed for awhile hasn’t it? No one is interested in developing that property?
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Last time I was in town the 56 logos were still up
by PackApologist on May 11, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The near by liquor store and apts did burn down.
Though Barnett’s former Club was left not damaged.
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What about Finley?
I don’t like his stupid remarks about things either.
But its not just Twitter and the SB Pic. Barnett always runs his mouth. Off the field, on the field, said that dumb crap about “which of my fans will support me on a new team” then had to retract that a bit.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 9, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Barnett's been a hot head for a long time
It’s fine as long as he gets his PT and feels “respected”. Our worry is that with two other highly paid ILB he may not get his PT and feel respected. If and when that happens, IMO he’ll be a cancer in the locker room.
On the other hand, Finley doesn’t have to worry about touches and PT. He’s the top TE on a pass-happy team that loves to get the ball to the TE.
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I declare Strohman the winner
By TKO, logical right hook to the emotional attachment-based argument. Bonus points awarded for the use of only one exclamation point.
I put the team on my back!!!!!
by Packattack88 on May 9, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Emotional?
I dont love the man, my point is that he is as good of a linebacker as we have outside of clay mathews…and strohman proved his ability to show logic in the cobb thread lmfao…Dont get mad about it, personally I laughed my ass off reading that while thing
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by SpaceGhost34 on May 10, 2011 4:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, dont get sensitive....
It was hysterical lmfao
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by SpaceGhost34 on May 12, 2011 4:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You know I become less and less a fan of Quinn Johnson each year
I’ll admit that when we first drafted Johnson it seemed like he was going to be something special…a beast of a blocker that could shake up things for Hall and Kuhn who just seemed interchangable at the time and pretty blah.
Fast forward two years and this is what we get…..
Hall injured a bunch….Kuhn become a rock star being able to run, catch, block, and make plays happen….and Quinn Johnson struggle to get playing time because he couldn’t be more than a one trick pony.
Really I think it’s Johnson’s fault our running game sucked so bad last year. See the major reason why it was just so terrible was because of a lack of talent at HB. This lack of talent was caused by keeping only two HB’s on the roster last year. My bet is that FB depth is what caused there to be such a shortage. Why? Because Kuhn and Hall were multifaceted players who the team thought they needed around…and probably weren’t sure which one would be better. Good call really since Kuhn was awesome and single handledly one us at least one game (first Detroit game) as well keeping us in a few others. Why did they keep Johnson though? Because he had potential. They thought his blocking would be great for the offense and maybe he could develop into something. A nice thought in August, but in October and he’s still not doing anything but hitting people (you know, not contributing in special teams, not catching the ball, etc.) that starts to become a problem.
This year Quinn had better do something besides bring the wood otherwise I think he’ll have an up hill battle to make the team.
by PackApologist on May 9, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
QJ didn't even become a fullback until 2006
and he played better in 2010 than he did in 2009 (got more plays, too). He’s still learning the position, and it seems to take fullbacks a long time to get really good at run blocking (when’s the last time a FB came in and lit up the NFL as a blocker?)
If we want to get better at closing out games next season, Johnson’s continued development is vital to a power running game, which is something we’ll have to get better at to get better at 3rd and 1 situations, or whenever the opposing team is stacking the box. Also, when Kuhn was in the HB position last year, guess who was the fullback doing the lead blocking that helped close out the Detroit game?
I don’t disagree that QJ is pretty one-dimensional, but his single dimension can huge when it’s a matter of a yard or two on first down. And that yard is way more important than five yards on a special teams play.
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by I voted for Kodos on May 9, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Johnson’s continued development is vital to a power running game
Thats just it… We don’t use a power running game. We use the zbs… Like it or not, its here for as long as McCarthy is the HC. So how does a power run blocker help us in the zbs? It was worth a try, but it hasn’t worked and he hasn’t improved in other important areas, like catch and ST. So how does he fit?
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by I voted for Kodos on May 9, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. And how many times were we 3rd and 1 or 2 last year, and we’d either get stuffed trying to run, or just come out in the shotgun?
He’s the best blocker out of the FBs and TEs, and it’s really not even close imo. He showed improvement last year, and I believe he also saw a jump in his snap count because of it.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on May 9, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
His number of snaps went from 136 his rookie year to 275 last year
According to the article from the Journal-Sentinel that I linked to below: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/116022839.html
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by I voted for Kodos on May 9, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And he still only got a D+ rating?
Is it worth keeping a D+ player who hasn’t improved in any areas but one? Still a poor ST player and still no recieving ability…I guess 2 "F"s and a B equals good enough for you. Not for me!
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I wonder if this had to do with injuries though
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 9, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You cant blame our lack of running game prior to the playoffs on johnson
How about darren college still sucks and wells wasnt getting much of a push either….MM was a little predictable in scenarios that we ran in and got stuffed in….By the time the playoffs roled around he was on the money….but there was more to our lack of running in the regular season that quinn johnson
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by SpaceGhost34 on May 10, 2011 4:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed....
we just didn’t have it together after Grant was lost. Maybe they thought they could keep moving well by running but something was missing and our line has never been known for run blocking with some of the guys currently starting.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 11, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the problem with what you are saying
I know it’s trendy to point the blame finger at Colledge, but if you are honest with yourself he wasn’t that bad. He wasn’t Pro Bowl, and there wasn’t always the right push…sure…..but the biggest problem with the running game was a lack of talent at halfback.
Think through it….the guy we had running those short yardage situations most of the time was a fullback running (Kuhn) or a third down back pretending to be a feature back (Jackson). After that it was rookies and PS guys.
Why did we have such a lack of talent? Because the coaching staff was waiting for Johnson to come along.
by PackApologist on May 11, 2011 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Colledge, but if you are honest with yourself he wasn’t that bad
I’ve been trying to say that for years it seems. Nobody ever said he’s near Pro Bowl level but he is a servicable starter. Many teams in the NFL have starters worse than him and quite a few teams have a couple worse than him. If you can replace him then you do it, but lets not rush to any conclusions and dump him when we don’t know what we have behind him. And right now we have alot of question marks if he’s not a starter at LG. If we lose him to FA, then throw Lang in there, but otherwise Lang should have to prove hes a defintete upgrade over Colledge.
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by Strohman on May 11, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we lose him to FA, then throw Lang in there, but otherwise Lang should have to prove hes a defintete upgrade over Colledge.
I’d bet my life that he will and that he would have had he not been slowed by that surgery.
The thing is, we (the group who doesn’t think much of Colledge) don’t talk about him as if he’s worst ever. That seems to be what you assume we’re thinking.
The reason I don’t like Colledge is because he’s been the weak link of the OL for 2 seasons now. And it’s not like our offensive line is really good or something. He was actually good in 2008, so after the bad season in 2009 I was willing to see if he could turn it back around. Too me, he didn’t, so yeah I’d like to see us move on from him. I don’t ever see him get any push in the running game, and he seems to get overwhelmed in pass pro.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on May 11, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasnt pinning it all on colledge, but he IS the weakest man on the OL IMO...
Didnt say he wasnt serviceable, but that doesnt mean he is the reason why our running game was trash…Also, “waiting on Johnson to develop” That is vauge dude…if we didnt have 4 TE’s, or still didnt have Korey Hall on the team, we could have been waiting for someone else along side Johnson
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by SpaceGhost34 on May 12, 2011 4:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Five yards adds up
If you are right than that is the most damning part of it for Johnson. Why should the Packers keep a guy on the roster, or the active game day roster, if he is only going to be good for a handful of plays each game. Especially when that spot and use can be covered by another guy who not only can do that, but also three other things?
That’s why I think these new TE’s are a threat to Johnson. They can block and be just about as physical, but also catch and play special teams. Or look at Tom Crabtree….is Johnson that much better a blocker than he is? Not really, but Crabtree can also catch and play special teams.
Professional football is a game of resource managment. Johnson is really good at one thing, but the way our roster is set up the only guy who can be really good at only one thing is the long snapper.
by PackApologist on May 9, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Five yards do add up
But not as quickly as the point differential between settling for 3 and getting the 7. And the yards are made up when you can get that 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2, instead of punting. It’s not many plays a game, but they’re crucial, and are often the difference in at least a couple games a season.
Also, I know Crabtree came in with the label of “good blocker” but he whiffs too often. According to Bob McGinn, Crabtree was responsible for over half the “bad run” blocks by Packers TEs. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/116022839.html). That’s not good for a backup.
53 Bears, 1 Cup
by I voted for Kodos on May 9, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Semantics
This dances around the point though….
Why should we keep a player who can only block when we can keep three guys who can block AND do a bunch of other things?
I’m not saying that Johnson needs to go…but he does need to grow a whole lot quicker if he wants to stay with all those hybrid and H back guys that we have on the roster right now.
by PackApologist on May 9, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree....if he could catch the ball in the open field....i doubt there would be too many people eager to run heads up with him
Packers over the Bears, Illini over the Badgers...
by SpaceGhost34 on May 10, 2011 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh man would I love to see Quinn become a receiving threat!
Just shoulder slam a safety or corner……. helmet goes flying…..mofo just lays there like he got hit by a truck.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 11, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
My favorite thing about QJ
is that he brings a level of toughness and aggression that I’d like to see from more of our offense. Our finesse side of the game is very good, but I’d love to see our linemen get a little nastier (something I like about Bulaga but a concern with Sherrod). Kuhn adds a little bit of toughness, but nowhere near the level of Johnson, who gets his rocks off trying to knock people on their butts. I just really like that, and I think that’s why I’m so partial to Johnson.
53 Bears, 1 Cup
by I voted for Kodos on May 9, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
This^^
I want him in every running snap against the bears with his sole purpose to put Urlacher on his ass every play until he cries like Cutler.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 9, 2011 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
two games doesn’t exclude 3 years (or however many its been now) of awfulness.
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Does winning a SB?
Without those 2 games we don’t make the playoffs cuz of one, and w/o the other we don’t advance to the playoffs! Kinda change things now?
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The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league
Those two games were critical games. One got us into the playoffs, the other into the Super Bowl.
What has Slocum done for us lately? More than most give him credit for.
by PackApologist on May 10, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure but so was the first Bears game, the Dolphins game, Falcons game, and Patriots game. If we hadn’t sneaked into the playoffs, he’d likely be gone by now and rightfully so. Our special teams unit has been absolutely horrid. Even in the playoffs it wasn’t any good. A return TD against Atlanta and a couple of good returns by the Steelers, with one luckily being negated by some idiot punching one of our guys after the play.
We won the Super Bowl because of Rodgers and our defense. Our special teams did more to help us lose then it did to help us win.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on May 10, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
ST
All while having a revolving door of players who half the time didn’t know each other, much less practice together. I’m inclined to give him a chance this year to see how things improve. Masthay turned out to be an excellent punter, so while I know you don’t want to, you have to give Slocum the credit since that is one of his jobs. Lets see how things go on ST w/ a stable group of players that work together regularly.
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And I’d buy that argument except, we’ve been horrible on special teams since 2007. Maybe he’ll figure it out finally next season, but should it really 5 years to do so?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on May 10, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True...
But isn’t it possible that he got it figured out last year only to be derailed by all the injuries? I think that possibility certainly exists.
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It does....
but if he’s that goddamn slow….. then McCarthy hired him for a different kind of “special” teams….
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 11, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't last year only his 2nd as ST coordinator?
Prior to that he was an assistant. Packers develop the players, why not give the coaches the same opportunity?
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Oh that could be...
I guess I took PAD’s post to mean he has been the coach since ’07.
by PhoenicianPakFan on May 11, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s what I had thought but I just checked and he got promoted to head coach of ST’s in 2009. He was assistant head coach of STs’ since 2006. Sorry about that.
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/shawn-slocum/f38fc94b-afe7-431f-910c-d9903f9c2ac1
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on May 12, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He was assistant ST coach from Feb 2006 until he was promoted in Feb 2009. Its really hard to give a guy credit for something he hasn’t shown out there. Could he have had it figured out? Did he…well it sure didn’t show. This year he has no excuses though, I am sick of our ST being the joke of the league.
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Could be possible yeah. He’s obviously going to be back next season, and for the team’s sake I hope like hell the special teams improves. If our unit had been even average last season, I think it probably gives a 2-3 more wins.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on May 11, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
So now we are just picking and choosing games to evaluate someone on? You are going to take two games against an entire season of mediocrity (and that term is being generous)? I am sure that there are a lot of players that could pick out two games and make their argument that they should be starting but unfortunately they have to account for the entire season of play. And in this case…its multiple seasons!
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
You've got them ranked correctly
I wonder if Tauscher thinks the past two seasons have been bonus time anyway. He didn’t seem to desperate to look for a job in 2009, and only came back once the Packers had given Allen Barbre way too many chances. If Barbre had been competent in any way, Tauscher might have never played again after the 2008 season.
Barnett played well in 2009, and he’ll be fine in 2011 as I doubt a wrist injury will set his career back, but he’s caught in a numbers game with the Packers. He’ll be a good linebacker for some other team next season, and I hope he doesn’t make his exit messy.
Lee and Underwood stand out because they were big disappointments last season, but House isn’t much competition either. He could be good, but he’s just a 4th round pick and he might not be any good either. They have to keep at least two of those players, though none of them might deserve it.
+1
I hope he doesn’t make his exit messy.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 8, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta' love Tauscher
He looks like the guy who pulls to the side of the road when your car goes in the snowbank, and he’s got a chain in the bed of his pick-up so he pulls you out in three seconds and is getting back into the cab and taking off as you’re trying to say thank-you. Like, “whatever, just get ’er done and get on with it.” …just a good dude.
It was so fun cheering for a guy like that, and, although he’s almost definitely done, we’ll miss him.
by Curly Lambeau on May 10, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The guy is funny too
Sorry no snowbank reference….Dont get much snow down here in Texas
Packers over the Bears, Illini over the Badgers...
by SpaceGhost34 on May 12, 2011 4:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
jarret bush and
vince wilfork shawn slocum
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Chillar
MM hinted Chillar may be done b/c of his 3 shoulder surgeries. I wonder if ILB Smith was drafted in part to replace Chillar in the Psycho safety role.
Last year TT/MM kept 4TE’s-3FB’s-2RB’s. I could see it being 4-1-4 this year if Jackson returns.or even 5-1-3 w/ a couple of TE’s filling the FB/H-Back role.
W/ the speed and versatility of the TE’s Finley, Quarless, and Williams I wouldn’t be surprised if the Packers kept only 4 WR’s.
The universal knock on Smith is speed so how can he replace Chillar?
Chillar was an odd one because he had more speed and cover skills then the rest of the ILB’s….but Smith is typically knocked for being slow and undersized. As a result I don’t necessarily see how he’ll replace Chillar. I think if Smith catches on it will be for depth and or special teams play.
by PackApologist on May 9, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions

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