Receiver Analysis: Why The Packers Need Randall Cobb
This weekend, I looked back at the Green Bay Packers receivers over the past three years, and I've drawn a few conclusions.
WR Greg Jennings is awesome. Not a big surprise. He's the only healthy, elite receiver they've had over each of the past three seasons. And he stepped it up in 2010 after injuries hit the rest of the roster.
WR Donald Driver. He wasn't productive in 2010 due to nagging injuries. While he's spoken recently about wanting to break more receiving records and playing until he's 40, it's pretty rare for a receiver to have a bounce back season once he's older than 35. It's certainly possible, but it's also a good idea for the Packers to have Plan B ready.
WR James Jones. A poll conducted back in March showed that readers don't have a lot of faith in him, and I haven't seen much improvement from him over the past three seasons either. And the stats agree. Some wide receiver needy team might make him a free agent offer the Packers do not want to match, but I think he'll be back on a one-year contract if the team still wants him.
WR Jordy Nelson. The stats I've been looking at were for the regular season, and don't consider the constant target he was during Super Bowl. That might be a sign he'll become a bigger part of the offense in 2011. He still has to prove the coaches he deserves to play ahead of Driver and Jones.
WR Brett Swain. While he's been with the team for three seasons, he wasn't mentioned in any of the stats because he's only had 6 career regular season receptions. If Jones is re-signed, they won't have any room for him on the roster.
TE Jermichael Finley. He's the only tight end capable of ending up as one of their top 3 receivers. He should return healthy in 2011, and if he can play all 16 games in 2011, he should be battling Jennings to become their top receiver.
Due to injuries, the offense leaned heavily on Jennings for most of their production, more so than they had counted on him in 2008 or 2009. It would be better if the offense had more balance, and gave the defense more to worry about. There should be improvement if Finley and Driver return healthy, but they can't count on Jones to emerge as a top receiver. Nelson has had some good seasons, but he hasn't ever been a true No. 2 receiver yet. The offense should be just as good in 2011, but there are some question marks.
Which shows why the 2nd round selection of WR Randall Cobb makes sense. There's no guarantee Cobb will be as good as Jennings, or even emerge as a solid No. 2 WR, but they need to have multiple options and keep the depth strong at receiver.
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Jones is almsot surely leaving in FA. I really don’t see a way he returns… This season I would like to see Jennings and Nelson starting. Nelson would help the run blocking a little on the outside and it would help save Drivers legs. I don’t think Driver can last playing full-time and he can still get nearly as many targets as the 3rd WR. Cobb is a gonna be the #4 WR this season and will probably move up to #3 in a year or 2. I don’t know if he’ll ever move beyond #3, as he might be too valuable as a return man to risk starting and Nelson is a much better blocker than Cobb. I really think Nelson is ready to be a very good #2 WR, this year. He’s been growing each year and showed up in the SB big time! Granted it was only one game, but it was also on the biggest stage. Most 4 WR formations will have Finley at one of the WR spots, really only leaving 3 WR spots open. As long as Finley is around, hopefully a LONG time, all the WR after Jennings will be mostly role players.
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You know I don't know what to make of Cobb yet
Really I don’t know what to make of any of the rookies really. They haven’t even put on a Packer helmet and it’s almost freakin July. That’s just weird…..
As for Cobb, Stroh gave a pretty good run down of just how far down the line he is on how much he’s needed. Also, he didn’t factor in that Grant is back and Starks is healthy for the WHOLE year this time (so more runs….or at least more effective runs). All of this doesn’t even mention that rookie WR’s tend to be a bit disappointing. They are learning the routes and all the little things that makes a successful WR in the NFL.
At the same time Cobb is just so interesting because he has that it factor.
I remember when Greg Jennings was a rookie and Favre and many of the local talking heads around Green Bay were excited for what he bring. They mentioned that even though he was from a small school they could tell he was going to be good because he had that it factor. He was the guy at his school. All defenses knew that he was the guy and those defense still couldn’t stop him. So when Jennings showed up for camp here he was used to being that and was able to carry that playmaking it factor over to the pro game.
I really see something similar in Cobb. The dude was the heart and soul of that offense in KY. More than that though, he was the man….he was the entire freakin offense. He knew it…the team knew it….every defense they played knew it….and he still produced and he still kept a level head. That’s promising…..that’s having the it factor. As a result I’m cautiously optimistic that he could be something special in the very near future.
by PackApologist on Jun 19, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
cautiously optimistic for Cobb. His size bothers me a little but the man can make people miss.
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by bigbill992001 on Jun 20, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Cobb will make an immediate impact...
At KR and PR….he should fit in well if Jones does leave, which I’m sure he will
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by SpaceGhost34 on Jun 21, 2011 12:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cobb
I think Strohman is correct in that Cobb will be a #3 slot guy for his first few seasons. Cobb’s selection wasn’t to provide competition for Jones or Nelson for a wideout spot,but to give a new weapon for McCarthy with a Percy Harvin-lite slot presence and a kick return option. I’ll be looking for the four wideout look with Jennings and Cobb to one side and Finley and Nelson to the other. What a feast for Rodgers!
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What about Driver in the 4 WR formation?
Shouldn’t he be the 4th WR in that formation?
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You know here's the thing with Jones and Nelson....
Jones can be electric when he gets the ball and can make some plays happen. He also has a knack for getting open time and time again. It takes skill to be able to separate from a defender in the NFL and he has that. The problem is that he gets a nasty case of the dropsies. Worse yet he seems to get it at the worst possible times too (hello Philly and SB).
Nelson seems a more consistent guy, but he also doesn’t really do anything spectacular either. He blocks well enough, he gets open well enough, he has more speed than it looks like but nothing that’s going to make a defense pay. He’s not nearly as streaky, but he’s also not going to give you as many game breaking plays….or if he does it’s due to scheme or route running rather than making something happen just because he has the ball.
Really both of these guys maximize their value in the platoon system that we have. I guess I’m not as pessimistic as some that Jones will go. I don’t expect it, however I do see some possibility that he’ll hang on another year. It’s very tough to tell what sort of FA is going to be out there this year. It’s very possible that some guys who aren’t near the top of the class will want to just sign with the home team in order to get back into the routine of the game and get into camp.
James Jones could easily be one of those guys. Sure he has some of that Super Bowl luster that teams tend to seek in FA, but he’s also not one of the big names on the market. If any position seems to be stacked right now it’s WR. You’ve got Rice, TO, Plex, Holmes, Edwards, and possibly Ochocinco all hitting the market at once. Jones wants his money and getting locked down in a shortened FA period in an over saturated market may not be the best situation for him…especially when you just dropped a critical pass in the SB and got out shined by Jordy Nelson.
by PackApologist on Jun 19, 2011 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Jones
also has a knack for getting open time and time again.
Getting open and getting seperation is almost entirely about scheme and route running. Coaches design the schemes, the player runs precise routes w/ sharp, quick breaks. Thats how a WR get open to “make a play”.
WHile all those WR might be available, all but one (Plex) had an existing team that now has a spot open for a WR. CIncy still needs a WR if they lose Ocho Stinko and TOol. NYJ are gonna need a WR or 2. Same w/ Minn…
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I agree, but...
…there’s only so much you can attribute to coaching. If a guy can get open on those routes, that’s fantastic. NONETHELESS, I don’t think you can coach away bad hands and all you need to do, if you need a second example to Jones, is look at Devon Hester. He’s fast, athletic, can get separation easily… and just cannot hold on to that ball.
Jones seems like he’ll never be higher than a #3 option in the Pack offense and there’s only so many #3s you can have. For my money, that’s Jordy, hands down. He might not have Jones’ speed, but he’s shown he can come down with the ball and keeps his wits about him in the crunch.
What I expect is that they’ll give Double D one more shot to hold on to that number 2 option and if he can’t demonstrate some consistency, they’ll give Cobb a chance to earn his start there. If this management/coaching staff has shown us anything, they’re not interested in “seat of honor” starters. They want whoever gives the Pack the best chance to win. That said, I don’t think they’re going to come out the gate with Cobb as an immediate perennial option. It’s still Driver’s job and – honestly – I think he’ll be able to do just enough to keep it, if he manages to stay reasonably healthy.
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Who was talking about hands?
PA was talking about getting open. And for the record, I think hands can be improved, but its difficult and takes longer. In the Packers offense if Jones hands got better he could easily be the #2 WR. But Driver is probably going to stay ahead of him and Nelson.
As for the seat of honor thing… WHat do you think they’ll do w/ Driver? If he’s the starter again, I would call that a seat of honor. Cobb is soo far down the list at WR right now and w/o the offseason, he’s not going to move up for awile. And if Cobb becomes the starting WR, we don’t have a KR/PR guy and isn’t that a large part of the reason they drafted Cobb?
IMO, its time for Driver to move down to #3 WR, it moves the younger WR w/ younger legs and talent into the lineup, improves the blocking in the run game and saves Drivers legs for when he’s needed )on passsing downs) and it extends his career.
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by Strohman on Jun 20, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
seat of honor starters
I think Desmond Bishop might beg to differ with you on this one.
by gern blanston on Jun 21, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny That You Wrote This
Because I was going to do the same thing, in a similar fashion. I was playing Madden 11 and ended the first year. Donald Driver retired, Brett Swain went down with a career ending injury, and James Jones refused to resign my contract.
Really got me thinking though, Green Bay needs to start building on the future. That was a horrible draft for me, because the free agents were over priced and under productive so I had to waste 3 draft picks to rebuild the recieving corp and still had to move Finley over.
lol man every comment is really long.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jun 20, 2011 4:39 PM CDT reply actions
Not anymore.
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I gotta say that I dont think the classic number 1,2, 3,4 WR really applies to the Packers.
I mean they do because that is what they will be listed on the depth chart but thats all. They have been CONSTANTLY moving players all over the field and in and out of the line up. They seem to require every receiver to know every other receiver position. Inside, outside just doesnt matter. They line up every where. They can run the same exact play from a 4 WR set with all 4 positions being mixed up. They will play all over in every position. At times Jennings will be lined up where a 4 WR normally would. Finley will be lined up where out number 1 will be. They prepare there schemes so complicated because of being able to place each guy (with the possible exception of Cobb because of less development time) where ever they want when ever they want. They are revolutionizing the WR position the same way that 2 RB committees are revolutionizing that position. We can argue about what player should be where on the depth chart but thats going to be the only place it matters, on the paper saying what the depth chart is.
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by Marcus Allen Krause on Jun 20, 2011 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I really like how deep and versatile our receiving corps is. That is truly what separated us from other teams last year. We just simply had too many receiving options for opposing teams to defend, and the schemes you mentioned made it even worse.
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I don't know if Nelson makes a good #2
He’s got hands problems as well – not as bad as Jones, but Nelson had more drops in the Super Bowl than Jones. Nelson does have very good size and deceptive speed, but he’s not in the same league when it comes to change-of-direction.
I’m not entirely confident in Jones or Nelson, but I know if we have enough usable receivers out there MM will find mismatches and get them open. I think the Super Bowl was a prime example of that – they had to pick their poison and they chose to put the least coverage on Nelson, and MM and AR took advantage of that. That’s what I want to see in the future – enough good receivers that no defense has enough good players to cover everyone, allowing MM and AR to work their magic. Add in Jennings’ and Finley’s ability to get open on their own, plus some improved pass protection, and we’ve got a recipe for success.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 20, 2011 5:06 PM CDT reply actions
Just want to point out that Driver led the team in drops.
Otherwise I agree about taking advantage of mismatches
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Everything will depend on Finley...
Finley will likely be the primary target of AR along with Jennings…This is where Driver, Nelson (maybe but probly not Jones) and Cobble get their mismatches…Think about teams loading on Finley and safeties over top of Jennings, Slant route to Convalescence fast shifty ass for a 68 yard touchdown leaving everyone watching his heels….Awesome….I can see it now
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by SpaceGhost34 on Jun 21, 2011 12:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry about the spelling....my phone auto corrected "Cobb" both times
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by SpaceGhost34 on Jun 21, 2011 12:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree
I think everything will depend upon Jennings. It seemed that the majority of the offense last year was setup for Finley to break out. He was doing great, to the exclusion of everyone else, until he was injured. Jennings, on the other hand, also made everyone around him better when he became the focal point. I think most agree here that Finley still has lots to prove before we can say “everything” depends upon him.
by gern blanston on Jun 21, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Finley and Jenning had virtually the same number of targets
Prior to Finley going down to injury. He was ahead in receptions and yards. Thats called better production. Jennings was not excluded from the offense. Finley has only to prove he can stay healthy. He has nothing else to prove… In 15 starts the past 2 seasons, Finley has 76 rec for 977 yds. Let me know how many TE can put up those numbers in a season.
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You need only watch Finley...
In the Indy preseason game last year to see how scarey good he’s getting. If you can keep these guys focused on us/team/titles they could all be be talked about in the same manner as we talk about Starr, Taylor, Nitiscke, etc…
by The Delivery Guy on Jun 21, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Strohman, you know all targets aren’t created equally. I don’t think he’s saying Jennings was “excluded” from the offense. Just simply that he was clearly second fiddle to Finley, who imo, was clearly the focal point of the offense. Not saying there’s anything wrong with that necessarily, but I do think it needs to be more of a split. Too me, it was pretty telling when Jennings lashed out to the media about the looks he was getting.
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by packallday555 on Jun 21, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
equal
So first on the other thread all INT"s are equal, and now all targets aren’t equal? This is getting ridiculous! Next are you gonna say that all passes are created equal and some passes don’t actually count as passes, cuz you know they weren’t “really” passes.. Enough already. A target is a target and an INT is an INT unless you can show some stats or mathematical equation that says otherwise. You can’t cherry pick which stats (targets, INT’s, passes, recepitons) count and which don’t. They all count equally!
Maybe, just maybe, it seemed the offense was Finley centric cuz he was making more receptions. Or that we aren’t used to seeing a TE be such a primary target. The fact remains, that they were targeted equal number of times…
Every reciever wants the ball and thinks he is open and can make a play. I don’t hold anything against Jennings that he said something, nor would I if Finley said something. They’re both playmakers and want the ball. Just like a playmaker at RB or QB…
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I don’t think I said anything about the INT’s on that thread so I’m not sure why that’s relevant.
Sorry, but all of the targets aren’t equal. I personally felt like Finley was being force fed the ball, and a number of other members here did too. And then shortly after, Jennings lashed out about his lack of targets/opportunities, which is something he has never done before. Don’t you think that’s somewhat telling even in the slightest? I mean maybe all of the members who noticed it are just dumb and were making something out of nothing. But isn’t it telling that Jennings even made mention of his lack of targets?
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by packallday555 on Jun 22, 2011 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Spreading the ball
Truth is that Jennings, Finley and Driver all saw the same number of targets in the first 4 games last year. Thats called spreading the ball around, a staple of McCarthy’s in particular and the WCO in general. If you wanna take targets from anyone in that group it should definitely be Driver. Truth hurts, but the truth is they all saw equal number of targets and Jennings had fewer catches.
Your making far too much out of Jennings speaking out. He didn’t “lash out”, he stated he wanted the ball more. And it so happens that when Finley went down, he got them. Thats all you need to read into anything. Why should Jennings get more targets than Finley? Is he a better target? No. Is he a better playmaker? I don’t think so… Is Jennings a bigger mismatch than Finley? Not hardly. They should be equal and they were!
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Cobb at receiver
Brandon, I completely agree with you. TT is always thinking ahead, and I’m still not convinced that either Jones or Nelson is a legit #2. They are both good receivers who benefit from playing opposite Jennings. They very seldom see double coverage. But both have problems with dropped balls, and every time Jones makes a move after the catch, I’m waiting for the fumble..
Jennings
I was over on Arrowhead Pride last night and stumbled onto two Chiefs fans arguing over who is a better WR between Jennings and Dwayne Bowe.
The guy who was agruing for Bowe tried to claim that Jennings isn’t that good of a route runner and a rec’d the other guys replies a couple of times (in addition to jumping feet first into the argument myself, of course).
In response to the second rec, he supplied me with these. Enjoy. :)


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by NorthStarr on Jun 20, 2011 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Classic Greg Jennings
That man is so shifty. What a move on the Vikings DB! Even a good CB would be a yard or two away (if he’s lucky) on that set of moves.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jun 20, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember reading during last year at some point
That Bowe had worked alot on his route running, at the insistence of the HC, and that had alot to do w/ his dramatic improvement last year. But I seriously doubt that Bowe could do anything like Jennings did to the Lions DB! Put Him On His Ass! Thats classic.
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I think Jennings might be one of the best route runners in the league, if not the best. Like kodos said below, he’s just so god damn shifty. And he’s got really, really good body control too which helps.
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by packallday555 on Jun 21, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
You are talking...
about two very different kinds of receiver… Jennings uses his speed and shiftiness to gain seperation, probably the best split end in the league… Bowe is a big physical receiver, one of the better flankers (I’d say today somewhere below Fitzgerald & A. Johnson, tough to pick Bowe or Megatron as #3).
by The Delivery Guy on Jun 21, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I was actually only talking about Jennings haha. But yeah, I agree with what you’re saying.
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by packallday555 on Jun 21, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Jennings is the best route runner in the league.
He’s not as athletically gifted than a lot of the other guys, he’s not particularly good at jump balls and doesn’t have elite hands, but there isn’t a single receiver in the league that runs better routes than Jennings.
He’s the epitome of fluid.
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