Asomugha To The Packers? Where Did This Rumor Come From?
by Brandon on Jul 13, 2011 8:00 PM CDT
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PrintFrom Vinnie Ager at Sporting News.com:
Asomugha won't be returning to the Raiders. In addition to Houston and Detroit, his other rumored destinations include Philadelphia and Green Bay. For a player who just turned 30 last Wednesday and has never made the playoffs in eight great seasons, the latter two teams are surefire paths to the postseason.
While I recently wrote that Nnamdi Asomugha can help any team, which does include the Packers, it would come at a cost. Sam Shields would lose playing time, but not completely, because the Packers do line up with four cornerbacks at times. No more Jarrett Bush sightings! And in addition to trading LB Nick Barnett ASAP, and releasing RT Mark Tauscher, they'd probably have to release a couple other highly paid players to afford a possible annual salary of up to $20 million for Asomugha.
Instead of debating the merits of it, maybe it's better just to realize that it's highly unlikely they'll attempt to sign Asomugha. GM Ted Thompson has historically taken his time with roster decisions, and he'd have to move fast to sign him and make room under the salary cap.
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Signing Nnamdi would be a dream come true.
However, Houston is the most likely destination for him.
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Houston? He’s already said he wants to win. Not sure why he’d choose Houston. He’d be better off going to Chicago if he wants money and winning.
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Houston would probably be the best team in the division with Nnamdi
That being said, it is the Texans so I’m sure they’d screw it up somehow.
by Charlie Kelly on Jul 13, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah kinda what I was thinking. They have to prove it to me before I bet on them being the best at ANYTHING ever again. I am SO happy I am not a fan of that team, they are the most disappointing team in the league over the past 5 years.
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I wouldn't underestimate the Texans.
They already have the offense; the defense can only get better with players like Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, and Brian Cushing among the front 7. Add a player like Nnamdi to the secondary, a hell of a defensive coordinator in Wade Phillips… that team could be really good.
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System
They still need to learn how to play a 3-4 defense. Late in the year or next year that team could make a push, but the lockout really hurt them. I think they are also missing a critical piece for that D, a nose tackle.
Wade doesn't really run a 3-4 proper
His ‘OLBs’ are just DEs – they pass rush 90% of the time. Coverage? Hah.
It’s more of a 5-2, and it plays just like a 4-3 over/under – 5 guys on the line, all of them pass-rushing. I suspect the learning curve is a lot less steep than you’d think.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jul 16, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like wishful thinking from his agent to me.
Not TT’s style, obviously, but beyond that, it would completely screw up the team’s comparative payroll locker room. He’d immediately become one of, if not the highest paid player on the team before he took the field.
TT"s incredibly young roster will help alleviate the tension that usually develops after a SB victory when all the players try to get paid simultaneously, since so much of the roster is under complete control and at relatively cheap prices. I can’t see them screwing that up by making a big splash in free agency, and this would be the biggest splash this team has made since Woodson, or maybe even White.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 13, 2011 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
I Agree
Although, if we theoretically cut Tauscher, Barnett, Clifton (Just a thought, hes making more than any other player next year [5.5 Million] minus Rodgers, Jennings, Woodson), we’d have 14 million right there… That might be enough to sign him.
aaron rodgers gets 2 concussions in a season and wins superbowl mvp...jay cutler goes down in the biggest game of his career with menstrual cramps, than fakes an injury and an MRI... Need I say any more?
It might also cost us...
Finley, Nelson and Sitton next year, and maybe others the next year. His salary would like necessitate going w/o such players who have put the time in and paid their dues in GB. That probably wouldn’t sit too well w/ some players in the lockerroom.
Theoretically its possible, but realistically its not. Unless he is willing to take a significantly lower salary to play in GB! My guess is Thompson wouldn’t spend that much on a player when we already have a strong nucleus that is going to need to be paid soon. Rogers, Matthews and Raji are gonna command top dollar at some point soon enough. Its different than when we signed Woodson. Thompsons had just purged the team of alot of salary and needed an impact player on D. That just isn’t the case anymore.
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by Strohman on Jul 13, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah its not a position of need enough to screw up the future of so many players for. Maybe if we were a stud corner away from competing I entertain the idea but honestly we already have one of the strongest CB group in the league. Its a fun sounding idea but completely unneeded and not worth the cost!
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I actually don't think it would cost them all 3 of those guys
The cap number’s going to be big when it comes in, and they’d likely frontload the crap out of any FA deal. They’d have room to lock up 2 of those guys (probably Nelson and Sitton), and I’ve got a sneaking feeling they’re going to let Finley walk whether they have the cap room for him or not. Just a guess there, but I think it’s possible. He’s immensely talented, but if they can’t find enough balls to go around next year (which was a problem before he got hurt last season), they might let the volatile Finely walk when he hits FA.
But as noted above I agree that this doesn’t make a ton of sense.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 13, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Still
Its fun to imagine. I mean, if he was willing to take 15 mil range this year, 8 mil out, what would you say if you were TT? Would you be willing to give up Finley, Nelson? I sure would. With TT’s drafting, there is no doubt that there will be fresh, young talent coming in. Asomuga is definitely a luxury, and maybe an unnecessary one, but he could pay off in the long term. A secondary of Shields, Collins, Woodson, Asomuga, Williams, will undoubtedly be the best in football. In fact, that would be downright scary. Just think about when we play the vikings. Where the hell/who the hell is Christian Ponder going to throw the ball?
LOL
aaron rodgers gets 2 concussions in a season and wins superbowl mvp...jay cutler goes down in the biggest game of his career with menstrual cramps, than fakes an injury and an MRI... Need I say any more?
Latest I heard on the cap
Is that its going DOWN, definitely not up. The figure that seems to be making it around is 120 – 125M. Thats down from even 09 when I believe it was near 130M. And theres no reason to believe its gonna go up significantly until a new TV deal. That number puts the Packers right on the edge of the cap and needing to cut salary just to sign the draft picks. There was even an article about it not long ago. Something about the bears being 37M under.
IMO, the only way Finley leaves is if he is injured again and misses a large portion of the season. If he plays well they will do everything to keep him. I would think that Finley would be more valuable than Nelson and nearly as much as Sitton. The caveat of course is his health.
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Really?
Maybe I missed something the last few days. The articles I’ve read were contemplating caps around 150-160 million, though that was a couple of weeks ago.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree that Finley's more valuable than Nelson.
I just have a feeling they might get tired of his act and might be hoping that Quarles develops enough to let Finley walk. We’ll see, I guess.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Act?
WHat “act” does he have? You mean that he’s confident? Is it maybe bordering on cocky… Maybe, but thats not his “act” its who he is. I don’t see it as being a problem! Lots of players are bordering on cocky. Hell most great players are… I think this team needs a little swagger to it. And you know what? Finley might talk big, but he backs it up when he’s on the field! Nobody cares much if he talks, as long as he backs it up… And Finley certainly does that!
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He's definitely cocky
But he’s a great teammate by all accounts. And is a good person, never harmed anyone or did anything illegal.
It’s just that Packers fans hate players that don’t read the bible every single day.
"IT IS TIME"
Sigh.
Never said I hated him. Never said I want him to read the bible even once, let alone every day. Never said he didn’t back up his talk on the field. But I think everyone knows Finley’s outspoken approach, whether genuine or not (and I agree that it’s genuine) isn’t typical of the kind of players Thompson has on this roster. Don’t forget that he called out Rodgers during Finley’s rookie season. That pretty obviously didn’t poison the well with their relationship because Rodgers clearly loves throwing to him. But it could have caused problems.
And everyone forgets that Jennings was refusing to talk to the media before Finely’s injury, a fact that coincided with Jennings’ reduction in productivity while the offense was centered on Finley those first few weeks.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
the offense was centered on Finley those first few weeks.
McCarthy reworked the offense to get Finley more involved, but it wasn’t centered on him! Driver, Jennings and Finley all had the same number of targets (very close), and I think Kuhn was more targeted. It only seemed centered on Finley cuz he was the most productive and made the most of his targets! Seems like maybe Jennings should have just made sure he capitalized on his targets better, instead of opening his mouth to complain.
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I was exaggerating...
And regarding to Jennings’ production…
Read both articles. It completely debunks the myth that Finley interfered with Jennings’ production early on.
"IT IS TIME"
Agreed.
Don’t know what that had to do with anything…
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jul 15, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
VERY ignorant!
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"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
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It was distracting when he was younger and more immature...
like when he tried to throw Rodgers under the bus his first year starting or even the Super Bowl pic thing with Barnett. But I do think he’s gotten a lot better over the years.
He’ll always be confident/cocky and thats fine. As long as he’s not saying stupid things, I don’t think GB will have a huge problem with him.
For TSSC: I am kind of hoping the new TE develops quickly more than Quarless but you might be right in them preparing for an eventual Finley departure.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jul 14, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a little worried about the number of catches either he or Jennings' gets and how it impacts their attitude.
There were warning signs about that early last year, but it became a moot point when Finely got hurt and Jennings’ production skyrocketed as a result.
Hopefully my concerns are misplaced and it’ll work out well.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe winning this Super Bowl will calm all of that down too....
some of that pressure of trying to get over the top is relieved now.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jul 14, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe. I hope so.
And thanks for the intelligent conversation instead of the close-minded demagoguery I get from Strohman every time I try to talk to that douche.
Bye all. Sort of obvious I’ve worn out my welcome around here, so I’ll move along. Never thought APC was all that good of a site anyway, but the increased quantity and decreased quality of articles here the last couple of months (I’m guessing at SBN’s instructions, since it’s happening elsewhere too) combined with the increasing attempts by some folks in the comment threads to shout down anyone who disagrees with them me leave with little interest in continuing to hang around here.
Bye. It’s been fun.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats too bad....
I always liked your posts, even if I didn’t agree. Especially the legally oriented ones since you had more expertise in those.
I usually try to be pleasant with everyone, but if someone wants to argue something I just leave it. Its not worth fighting over. If I really knew that much about football to make it worth arguing over, I’d have a job in the NFL (or at least the local high school).
But with the lockout and no offseason there hasn’t been much to talk about around here and its caused more heated arguments (and posts that linger on the front page longer) than normal. I’m sure if you came around again when the season starts, things would roll a little more smoothly (or at least quickly).
If not, good luck to you! And Go Pack!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jul 15, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Stop being deliberately obtuse.
You know exactly what I mean. I don’t have a problem with you disagreeing with me. I have a problem with you twisting my point. His act means the way he behaves, whether it’s a put on or a role he’s cast himself in (like Chad Johnson) or a product of his genuine personality. That sort of thing can cause problems. If you don’t think it will, great, and I hope you’re right. But don’t pretend that it can’t happen. Finley called out his QB in his rookie year. Rodgers handled it excellently, like he has almost everything, and their relationship didn’t suffer. Jennings was clearly upset early last year about the lack of opportunities he was getting, and while that wasn’t Finley’s fault, it is a potential problem moving forward when they’re both healthy. That’s all I meant, which I suspect you already knew….
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Ohhh
So your complaining that he is outspoken?! BIg freakin deal! I think the Packers could used a few more guys that are outspoken! Finley is well liked and respected by his teammates. And if he talks a little maybe it means everyone will step up to make sure what he says is backed up!
Jennings should have kept his mouth shut and done more w/ the opportunities he had. They had equal number of targets… So he had nothing to complain about! If Finley was more productive w/ his targets who’s fault is that? Jennings should have just made sure he was as productive as he can be w/ his targets. Its not like he should be entitled to More targets than Finley.
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Jennings should have done more with his targets...
and maybe he was upset (which he shouldn’t have been) but I don’t really remember him causing problems. I guess not speaking to the media was a little out of the ordinary and if it was to prevent himself from saying something divisive, good for him for not causing trouble, but why was he upset in the first place? Anayway, I don’t think he would be like that again after being such an integral part of the Super Bowl win. He might be more apt to give Finley his touches since he was out most of last season and didn’t get to be an active part of it.
That being said, I don’t think I want more people being outspoken like Finley, nor do I want Finley being outspoken either (wishful thinking, I know). I don’t think that builds commeraderie as much as it usually just their mouths writing checks that….well you know how it goes. Nobody wants extra pressure on them cause someone else likes to run their mouth.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jul 14, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No!
Finley’s the man! Jennings is a crying baby! Finley will dominate and he’ll deserve to dominate! Jennings should be grateful he gets to wear the same uniform!
lol…
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus. Never mind. Talking to you is pointless.
I get more open minded discussion out of my neighbor’s 6 year old with severe ADD.
Oh, and your sig makes you look like a douche.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Same to ya!
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass if your really leaving!
I comment and say my peice, you don’t hear me crying like a whiney little Biootch when someone disagrees w/ me! But some can’t seem to handle it I guess!
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by Strohman on Jul 14, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
excellent point
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by blackoutsox on Jul 13, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm suprised there isn't more talk of Atlanta.
I have no idea what their cap situation is like but since they didn’t really take any steps in the draft to improve their secondary I would think Nnamdi helps.
Not a bad thought…Lets hope they don’t go there!! Other places:
Giants? Cowboys?
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Dallas can't afford him.
They have serious cap problems if the cap is in the 120M range I have heard mentioned. Giants play more zone, so Asomugha would be a poor fit there, same w/ the bears. Atl might have a good shot at him, the other place might be Philly. I would much rather see him go to Houston in the AFC.
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Kansas City, maybe?
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Brandon Flowers and Asomugha?
Combined with Eric Berry, that’s a formidable secondary on paper.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 16, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Their other CB is no slouch either.
Forget his name off hand, but I’ve heard he’s pretty good too… I don’t know that KC is a likely landing place, but it would hurt a division foe and help them, so its possible.
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Of all the ones you mentioned...
I would DEFINITELY rather he go to Houston!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jul 15, 2011 4:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Atlanta likes their corners...
The talk about them has been about spending big for a DE.
Who? Ray Edwards? Charles Johnson?
It’s not often that a player of Asomugha’s caliber is on the market, where every team in the league would have a spot for him.
Pass rusher
Atl can really use both! Pass rusher and CB. Abraham is getting older and is the only consistent pass rusher they have. If they go that route I would target Johnson over Edwards. But neither of their CB is very good and they could definitely use help there too.
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Oh, they could use a pass rusher...
But Edwards may not be worth the money he will get, I’m wary of his possibly inflated stats due to playing across from Allen. Johnson, on the other hand, only has one superb season (Sack totals in 3 year span: 6, 4, 12). Not nearly as valuable as a proven player like Asomugha.
Just my opinion here, but ATL really F’d themselves in the draft. I should go look up their cap situation…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 16, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
In answer to the question in the title,
Because all free agent CBs from the Raiders go to Green Bay.
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Rumor came from Nnamdi himself.
He either said or tweeted that he could see himself playing for the Packers. You actually posted it when he said it, Brandon, so it’s funny you should ask.
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
I think that was his agent...
talking about where he would think Nnamdi fits. Don’t know for sure… His agent would be doing his job and trying to drum up potential employers for his client.
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Bingo.
It’s in their interest for the Packers to figure in the equation. They’re the SB champs, and if teams chasing us (like every team in the NFC) thinks that if they don’t sign him, we might, that does wonders for the number of teams competing for his services.
This is all smoke, if you ask me…
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My Bad, wasn't Brandon that posted it...
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
For Nnamdi to sign with us
It wouldn’t take him to agree to take less money.
It would take him to agree to take A LOT less money. Like Strohman said, you can’t sign him without losing Finley, Sitton, Matthews… Those guys are gonna get paid.
It would take for Nnamdi to earn in the vincinity of $5 MI for us to still have cap room to sign those guys who aren’t making big bucks, and that’s counting with the release of Barnett, Grant and Tauscher.
Not gonna happen.
"IT IS TIME"
It all depends on...
1) our cap room… I’ve seen three numbers, one we’re way over, one we’re at, and one we’re way below…
2) How bad Nnmadi wants a ring. If he’s willing to take a joke of a contract to come here and get the Raiderness out of his system. Even if just a one year contract.
We can’t offer him the big deal, because frankly CB is now a position of strength for us. But talent is talent, and Dom can find a use for him. And as we saw in the Superbowl, a position of strength can become a position of weakness real quick with injuries.
Jeez though it is a pretty depth chart:
CB – Williams, Woodson, Asomugha, Shields, House, Bush
S – Collins, Peprah, Burnett, Martin (?)
Maybe if we Packers fans offered to wash his car everyday?
by The Delivery Guy on Jul 14, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
Nickel formation.
CBs:
Tramon Williams
Nnamdi Asomugah
Sam Shields on nickel
Safeties:
Nick Collins
Charles Woodson
Where do you go to complete a pass? And all of those guys are good against the run (though it does leave is a bit light with Shields at Nickel and not Woodson, but with this formation, I’d argue Capers would play cover 1 with only Collins deep, and let Woodson roam the LOS as usual.
Too bad the best secondary ever assembled will never come to fruition, but it’s fun to dream.
"IT IS TIME"
Maybe if we Packers fans offered to wash his car everyday?
Okay, but I want it included in the negotiations that he has rims that are relatively easy to clean. …trying to get in all the nooks and crannies of spinners? I don’t know, man.
by Curly Lambeau on Jul 14, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jul 14, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Where Did This Rumor Come From?
PFT?
That’s usually one of the first sites that come to
mind whenever I think of sports rumor-mongerers.
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"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
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You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."
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If it was a Florio piece
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 16, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Shields losing playing time??
Why would Shields lose playing time?? He is the nickelback. Woodson said during the offseason that if it would help the team he would gladly move to Safety to make room for Asomugha. Woodson has played safety for the Packers before I think in 2008 when Bigby went down for awhile. It might prolong his career like it did for Rod Woodson.
by David Greenway on Jul 24, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions
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