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INDIANAPOLIS, IN - AUGUST 26: Mason Crosby #2 of the Green Bay Packers kicks the game-winning 50-yard field goal during an NFL preseason game against the Indianapolis Colts at Lucas Oil Stadium on August 26, 2011 in Indianapolis, Indiana. The Packers won 24-21. (Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

It was an exciting finish for the Green Bay Packers in their preseason victory over the Colts. The final score was 24-21 and the Packers scored their final 11 points with just under a minute left in the game, They had a touchdown and two-point conversion, followed by a 50 yard field goal after they recovered an onside kick.

But the Colts must be under orders to lose preseason games. They haven't won one since August 20, 2009, and they haven't won more than two preseason games in a single season since 2004. We covered the very disappointing games for LT Chad Clifton and S Morgan Burnett in an earlier recap (Burnett concerns me more since he should have been called for pass interference too, while Clifton has some bad games from time-to-time). But a few other players caught my eye.

Graham Harrell. Nice comeback, but an earlier INT led to the eight point deficit he had to overcome. His night would have been even better but rookie TE D.J. Williams dropped one pass for a 3rd down conversion, and was the intended target on another 3rd down pass attempt. If those two had been on the same page, it would have been a different night for Harrell. He's still not ready to start for any NFL team, but he has some potential and I can see he's improving which is all that can be expected of him now.

The first team offense. If it weren't for the pressure from Dwight Freeney, the offense would have dominated. Still, they managed three scoring drives (1 TD, 1 FG and 1 FG missed) in first two quarters. They're definitely ready for the regular season to start.

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TE Ryan Taylor. He didn't get onto the field until late in the game, and when I finally saw him, my first thought was that there's just no place on the roster for him. And then he catches four 4th quarter passes (3 receptions including a touchdown, plus a two-point conversion) that were tough catches in traffic. Now I don't know how they can keep him off the roster.

LT Derek Sherrod. After struggling, sometimes badly, at left guard in their first two preseason games, he looked much better this week playing exclusively as the second-team left tackle. He still wasn't perfect, but he made the case that he's the best backup lineman.

WR Kerry Taylor. If you were watching kick and punt returns in the second half, you would have seen Taylor return a kick for 33 yards and a punt for 25. He's got some elusiveness as a returner. Unfortunately he's not a big guy, and he's not much of a receiver (he dropped another pass on Friday night). They've got no way of keeping him on the roster, which is too bad because he has some promise as a returner.

WR Chastin West. It wasn't a big statistical night (2 rec. for 12 yards) but he had a touchdown called back on a holding penalty. He caught every pass thrown to him, and he's looking good. If they want to keep six wide receivers (it's possible) then he'd be the guy. I don't think they'll be able to stash him on the practice squad again this season.

LB D.J. Smith. The undersized inside linebacker had a sack on 3rd down, and was very close to making a huge run stop on a 3rd down conversion. He reminds me of Desmond Bishop back in his rookie season when he surprised me by looking good enough to make the team. I expect Smith too will make the team because they need to keep someone as a backup LB, and he's shown signs of becoming a solid special teams tackler.

CB Sam Shields. You might have seen him getting beat a few times by Reggie Wayne on Friday night, but I found some promising signs. He missed the first preseason game, didn't look too sharp last week against the Cardinals, and actually looked better at the Colts. He made a great pass deflection, wasn't responsible for Wayne's long touchdown catch, and Wayne makes life difficult for a lot of good cornerbacks.

LB Vic So'oto. There has been talk about him at practice, but the undrafted rookie hadn't shown off in the preseason. Well he showed up against the Colts. He had one sack and forced a fumble against their starting right tackle. He's more bull rusher than speed rusher, and he's sort of Erik Walden like. I expect it's a given he stays with the team.

LB Jamari Lattimore. He's another undrafted outside LB who's had some buzz around him at practice. He had a big second half with a sack and two quarterback pressures. He did it with speed, and a bull rush. But at only 230 lbs., it's hard to imagine him playing during the regular season. He might be too good to let go, but his possible role isn't clear. If he did stay, then he and Walden would give the Packers two linebackers from Middle Tennessee State.

CB Davon House. The rookie fourth round pick made his first appearance of the preseason, wearing No. 31 and showing off a very similar hairstyle to the Packers long time No. 31, CB Al Harris. He looked a little rough, and missed at least one tackle, but also showed some potential.

RT Marshall Newhouse. I had been writing well about him this week, and he shows me up by allowing a sack in limited playing time. 

LG T.J. Lang. In his first extended playing time at left guard with the first team offense, he looked very solid. For most of the first half, he did a good job forming a pocket and creating a running lane for Rodgers, when needed. Clifton struggled against Freeney on the left side, but that didn't seem to be a problem because of Lang.

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This is the first game I can remember a Crosby walk off…can you guys remember another gamewinner?

West and Gurley belong on an NFL roster somewhere.

Harrell shows flashes, is he J.T. O’Sullivan?

by Wade V on Aug 27, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

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you can tell us how you really feel.

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 28, 2011 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually started him on my fantasy team a couple years back.

Didn’t go well.

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 28, 2011 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me too!

I think that was the year that I drafted Brady first overall and he went down early week 1.

by msc32887 on Aug 28, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I auto-drafted Hasslebeck I think.

The year he turned into a walking injury.

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 28, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I drafted Brady in the 1st that year too...

Thankfully I drafted Rodgers in the 12th rd that year (his 1st as a starter) and rode Rodgers to the Championship!

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by Strohman on Aug 28, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha I picked him up off waivers! Gotta’ love being in a league with a bunch of Viking homers! Most of them spent the first half of the season telling me that Tavaris Jackson was going to be better than him too. LOL

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by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why I got booted from DN.

trying to explain to them that Rodgers was a better QB than Jackson. They couldn’t understand reasoning and rational thought. LOL They are the epitome of dellusional!

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by Strohman on Aug 28, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it me?

Or did Starks show a little bit of why we could afford to lose BJax? He was catching those little dump offs and converting them. Was looking a lot like a third down guy to me!

And let me add that the gut check moments for both Harrell on our side and Painter on theirs just made that game so worth watching! There was something legitimately at stake for them and they brought their A-games when it counted.

What a great week for football. Two exciting preseason games in a row. Ravens/Redskins being the other one. And in both games, the RBs on the winning team were best as checkdown receivers and were won in the closing minutes. A couple of barn burners – I’m so ready for this season to start.

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by AdamA on Aug 27, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

It's just you

Starks also got yelled at by Rodgers at least once because he was bad at blitz pick up. Receiving is the easy part of the third down back responsibility….it’s also the second most important. Blocking is the most important part and Starks showed absolutely nothing there.

by PackApologist on Aug 27, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

PA Took your idea

… And shot it down.

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by arodgb on Aug 27, 2011 11:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

So basically, you're saying that...

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by AdamA on Aug 27, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct

The Biker ’stach sez no.

I love that image though.

by PackApologist on Aug 27, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

He always sport that same stache every preseason.

Its a tradition for him of some kind or other. He grows the beard, then about the 3rd preseason game he get this stache, and in the regular season he stays relatively clean shaven.

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by Strohman on Aug 27, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's you

unless you know for sure that Starks missed his assignment or Clifton didn’t do his by pushing Freeny to the outside which is where Starks was lined up and if he was to help with Freeny,Aaron should have reset him in closer.IMO anyway.

by Tarynfor12 on Aug 27, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda figured that too unless Starks was supposed to come inside for the block....

or get out into the flat quicker for a dump off instead of just staying in his spot.

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 27, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it is me

You’re right I don’t know what the situation was. I do know that Rodgers yelled at Starks, and I know that Rodgers doesn’t really yell at guys too much unless there is some reason for it. I also know that Starks hasn’t done much in blocking….and is no where near close to as good a blocker as Jackson. So that’s why I don’t think Starks is the answer as third down back.

by PackApologist on Aug 27, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even the best make mistakes

and that includes Rodgers.It just seemed and appeared that Rodgers never expected Freeny to be coming inside like that and he may have said to Starks, when it looks like Chad is being owned,break off an help faster. Rodgers also stepped right into him.

by Tarynfor12 on Aug 27, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

So are you just going to blame everyone but Starks?

See it’s conversations like these that cause me to just to hate on Starks. Everyone wants to just buy into his hype and not admit to his flaws. So far in this conversation the sack is Clifton’s fault and Rodgers’ fault, but in no way can it be Starks’ fault at all.

See the bottom line of all of this is that Starks hasn’t shown much in the way of blocking generally. It’s this blocking ability that’s more important for a third down back than any receiving ability. So when I am posed the question of whether Starks will cause us not to miss Jackson my answer is simply no….he’s not half the blocker that Jackson was. He could grow into it and there are lots of reasons why he doesn’t do it as well (it is the toughest part to learn as well) but in the end the answer doesn’t change because of all these nice reasons.

As for the sack in question. After the sack Rodgers came up jawing at Starks. Now there could be any number of reasons for it, granted, but it does point to Starks doing something wrong. It could be a route not run correctly, it could be a blocking assignment missed (this seems most likely) but whatever it was it points to a problem on his end. Could Rodgers of done that to get the blame off himself on to Starks? Sure, but that doesn’t strike me as Rodgers’ style. But hey, I’m just a fan and I call them the way I see them.

by PackApologist on Aug 27, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

it wasn't starks fault..

… unless he lined up wrong, There is no way were he lined up he was supposed to take the inside move. I base that it wasn’t his fault based on that alone. I blame the people who have bad games for their bad play. I think this time Rodgers probably assumed it was Starks because he’s used to good play from Clifton.

I would bet beer that in film study next week, Rodgers comes up to Starks and says sorry dude, my bad. I just assumed it was you and not that my Pro bowl LT was getting owned all game long.

Well, maybe not that exactly, but you get the idea.

by azreal60 on Aug 27, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm kinda thinking the same thing...

unless he was saying something like, “Get the hell into the flat and let me toss one up to you instead of just standing there”

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 28, 2011 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did not blame eveyone else

but I simply didn’t just accept it was Starks because Rodgers spoke to him first as you did,but merely saying all isn’t what seems.

by Tarynfor12 on Aug 27, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you can't base your conclusion on Rodgers looking angry...

who knows what Rodgers was looking at (probably downfield) or how he thought the play was supposed to go. He probably assumed a bit that Starks missed a chip or something.

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 28, 2011 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s only his second season! Blitz pick-up is something that has to be learned. Not many guys come in and are good at it right away. He looked good when he got the ball in his hands and showed his talent. He’s pretty fluid and quick for being as big as he is.

He’ll probably miss blocks here and there but the only way to get better is to be out there playing. And he looks like he could do some damage catching the ball out of the backfield, which adds even more to an offense that doesn’t really need more.

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by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2011 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blitz pickup

Took Jackson into his 2nd year to become proficient at it. But Starks missed all last training camp and 11 weeks of the season. So Starks is still behind the 8 ball and basically new to it…

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by Strohman on Aug 28, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why beat this to death?

Perhaps Starks’ blocking isn’t what it should be, but that’s a skill that can be aquired as well. Only reason I made it as a point was because he was being tossed a lot of dump offs I’d gotten used to seeing BJax get. That’s all. It’s not a vicious, bloody point of contention.

Why does there have to be ONE right person? It’s a TEAM effort and since no one knows what A.R. said to Starks, it’s a MOOT point.

Relax.

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by AdamA on Aug 27, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why beat this to death?

BECAUSE WE WANT BLOOD! THEN WE SHALL BEAT YOU TO DEATH INSTEAD!

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 28, 2011 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Except for the last 2 drives

Harrell was unimpressive. He was off target on a number of his throws, including some very easy ones. He has potential, but he’s not ready to be a #2 yet.

I think the long TD pass to Wayne was because Burnett was to aggressive and didn’t stick in his zone. I was very happy with Lattimore’s play, he got some good pressure. So’oto played good too, but he seemed to be slow off the snap.

by Shoes31 on Aug 27, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Thats like all I saw of the game so I left thinking he looked good! haha

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by TrevorR on Aug 28, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

West

West is definitely making a case for staying with the team. He’s been consistent as a WR and I noticed he was making some plays and often around the ball on special teams which is perhaps more important with where he would be sitting on the depth chart

by jester13 on Aug 27, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

overall

the team in general still has some rust that they can hopefully shake off before the Saints come to town.

by jester13 on Aug 27, 2011 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Shields

Have to disagree…

wasn’t responsible for Wayne’s long touchdown catch

I think he was at least 1/2 responsible. He was in man and came off Wayne when he for some reason thought the slot reciever was getting the ball. Both Shields and Burnett reacted by leaving their responsibility. Shield in man coverage and Burnett the deep side of the field. Watched the replays and can’t see for the life of me why they both reacted so strongly to the slot reciever. No great pump fake or anything…

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by Strohman on Aug 27, 2011 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

We had Shields covering Wayne the majority of the game, right? Seemed like he was handled most of the time that he was in there

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by arodgb on Aug 27, 2011 1:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seemed like it...

For the most part Shields did seem to cover Wayne in man up coverage. Wayne was open a couple times and had a drop or poorly thrown ball. Shields IMO, did OK, but didn’t seem to be on top of his game either. Tough matchup for him tho… On that particular play, it seemed pretty clear, he left his man along w/ Burnett leaving his responsibility.

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by Strohman on Aug 27, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Other than the blown coverage on the TD, I have a hard time faulting Shields

Reggie Wayne is a beast, even though he’s getting older. Have to think that if this was a regular season game, you wouldn’t be seeing Shields on Wayne at all. Shutting down guys like Wayne is Tramon’s job, while Shields would get the Garcons/Collies of the world.

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by Packers3485 on Aug 27, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think they put Shields on Wayne to give him experience facing #1 WR. You learn from your mistakes. Shields didn’t seem to be on top of his game, but Wayne is definitely a tough cover. I think Shields was only OK vs Wayne. I expect better in the regular season.

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by Strohman on Aug 27, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Burnett...

I read somewhere that Burnett admitted that it was his mistake on the TD to Wayne. I think it was GBPG, but he said he blew the coverage

by bryanclam on Aug 27, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Taking responsibility.

Burnett certanly had his blame. Whether all or part, depends on the type of coverage Shields was in. Man and Shields has to take his share. Zone and Shields in exonerated and its all on Burnett. Looked like man coverage to me and we don’t play much zone…

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by Strohman on Aug 27, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clifton

How bad was he? He gave up 2 sacks and according to people at Stampede Blue he was guilty of holding numerous times (not that I put a lot of stock in what they say). But do we have cause for serious concern?

by Wisfan on Aug 27, 2011 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, I'm always concerned when he's going up against people like Freeney and Peppers

Overall though, I doubt he will be too much of a problem. Probably another season like last year – overall solid, with a couple bad games.

Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.

Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
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by Packers3485 on Aug 27, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concern?

No not yet. Like I mentioned on another thread, Packers game planned as a team a little, but not individually, I don’t think. So Clifton probably didn’t study Freeney in film study at all before seeing him on the field. Freeney is a difficult matchup under the best of circumstances. Cliffy is an old warrior and didn’t seem like he was ready for wk 1 yet. But we’re not at wk 1 yet… Lets not get our panties in a bunch over a preseason game.

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by Strohman on Aug 27, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sheesh. Chill

Just sayin that its not wk 1, so theres no need for concern yet. Didnt say “your”, said “our” as in we, team, fans in general.

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by Strohman on Aug 28, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just letting you know it wasn't directed at You!

Just a general comment, even tho is was a reply to a comment of yours. I didn’t specify you or single you out. So don’t take it personal.

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by Strohman on Aug 28, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

TJ Lang

Gave up one pressure in Pass Protection all night. Looked decent in the run game. Good start, lets keep it up.

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by arodgb on Aug 27, 2011 6:21 PM CDT reply actions  

So'to and Lattimore

Those guys looked impressive against Indy. I remember seeing #47 generating some pressure earlier in the 2nd half and wondering, “Who’s #47, I know him, but can’t think of who he is?” Then he got his sack and the announcers said his name. He got a couple pressures, and I liked what I saw. I think what I really liked was how low he got in his speed rush. He showed some good technique in that regard. It’s about all he can do, but he can do it well.

So’to also impressed me. He too had several pressures and a sack. He’s much bigger than Lattimore. He’s slower, but stronger than Lattimore. He seems more balanced as a pass rusher as he can use several moves, but not really excelling in any particular move perse.

I think it’ll be interesting how the coaching staff takes this. I know Lattimore doesn’t weigh a lot (230 lbs if i recall correctly), but he intends on putting on weight in the near future. That will help him in establishing a bull rush. As of now, he may be a good weapon on passing downs. I’ll be keeping a close eye on him against KC. So’to looks more balanced of the 2, but he doesn’t look like he will excel at any particular move. Just my general observation.

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by Jabooty on Aug 27, 2011 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Also

DJ Smith looked REALLY good against Indy as well.

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by arodgb on Aug 27, 2011 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's just so instinctive.

Think I saw some problems in coverage, but that’s correctable!

by msc32887 on Aug 28, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

You gotta figure one of those two guys makes the 53

Zombo’s going to start the year injured, one of them will probably be kept as insurance against further injury to the OLB corps. Which one? Probably Lattimore, though it’s really a toss up at this point.

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by Wiedmann on Aug 28, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe both

Depending how long Zombo is out. I don’t think we want only 3 healthy OLB on the roster. If Zombo goes on IR and Jones doesn’t get over his injury quickly, they’ll need the depth.

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by Strohman on Aug 28, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jones spot may be in trouble. With DJ Smith stepping up as a backup ILB, Jones isn’t really needed to play inside (versatility). With him getting injured again, it makes even less likely that he makes the team because he hasn’t been durable or reliable recently. I wouldn’t mind letting him go in favor of So’to and Lattimore (if they show a capable pass rush against KC). I’m sure only one of them will make it though…

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