It's No Surprise The Packers Released Spencer Havner, Brett Swain, and Theo Sherman
by Brandon on Aug 28, 2011 11:47 AM CDT
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The Green Bay Packers have to trim the roster down to 80 players by August 30 and these could be the first of several cuts this week. However, they may decide to place players on I.R. to get down to 80 instead. The first three players were released on Sunday. From Packers.com:
The Green Bay Packers released third-year TE Spencer Havner, rookie T Theo Sherman and third-year WR Brett Swain. The transactions were announced Sunday by Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations Ted Thompson.
The main problem for Havner and Swain was that neither player was healthy in training camp. Swain returned on Friday night, but I didn't see him on offense for a single play.
Maybe they'd have had a chance if the Packers had problems with depth at either position, but rookie TEs Ryan Taylor and D.J. Williams have had strong camps. If the selection of WR Randall Cobb wasn't enough to force Swain off the roster, the emergence of WR Chastin West sealed the deal. Unfortunately for Taylor, Williams, and West, I still don't know if the Packers will have enough room to keep all three of them.
While Sherman didn't stand out as a problem during the first three preseason games, maybe he was beaten on a sack, I'd read on many occasions about him getting beaten in one-on-one drills. The Packers have at least seven lineman who are locks (backups Derek Sherrod and Nick McDonald aren't going anywhere) so there wasn't much room for Sherman. I could easily put three other lineman ahead of him if the Packers are only keeping 10.
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In other news:
The Minnesota Vikings announce the signing of former Packers Spencer Havner, Brett Swain, and Theo Sherman!
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by Welzy on Aug 28, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 12 recs
No, last I heard the Seahawks swooped in and signed Sherman as soon as he walked out of the GB facility.
They wanted to get a head start on the Vikes.
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The Seahawks take our former o-linemen, the Vikings take the rest
Isn’t Schneider (Seahawks GM) a former employee of TT? I guess it’s a way of showing you’re still the protege to your master when you’re picking up his scraps. Maybe we can pull a Wolf-gives-Holmgren-a-horrible-DB-in-exchange-for-Ahman-Green style trade off again. . . .
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by I voted for Kodos on Aug 29, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes Schneider is a former Packer FO.
it’s a way of showing you’re still the protege to your master when you’re picking up his scraps.
I would guess its just that Seattle isn’t nearly as talented as the Packers. And I’m sure he talks to Thompson about any former Packer players and gets Thompson’s view of the player tho.
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Giant fan here, and we may be in the market for a TE.
Should I be interested in Havner? Can anybody give me a quick scouting report and history on the guy?
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
He catches a lot of TD's when he isn't breaking his shoulder blade driving his motorcycle drunk?
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 28, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not good!
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Hey Tommy
Havner is a LB/TE combo. Good ST player, but pretty limited as either a TE or LB. Packers used him as a TE mostly and he caught 8-10 passes one year w/ 4 TD’s, but isn’t anything to get excited about as a player. Inexperienced as a TE and needs work at running routes. Can catch the ball but isn’t reallly a threat in any way unless the D doesn’t pay attention to him. Thats how he scored the TD’s. Can’t beat coverage…
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We are hoping our 2009 third round pick is going to do the job since Boss went to the Raiders, but he has been unspectacular as a blocker and pass catcher to this point. Kinda small too at only 235-240 pounds. Beyond him, we have a blocking TE who blocked well last year but not so much this preseason, and a couple of cast-offs.
Havner sounds like more of the same for us.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Is that smaller guy Beckum from Wisconsin?
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by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You got it!
Sorry, no prize. But you already got yours back in February.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Wait until final cutdowns
and you might have a chance at a better option than Havner. We’ve still got 5 quality (and young) TEs on the roster. Quarles, Williams, Crabtree and Taylor are all probably good enough to make most NFL teams.
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by I voted for Kodos on Aug 29, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
5 TE's
I doubt any of those 5 TE’s is going to be released. Quarless has too much potential to release already. Taylor is a ST demon. Crabtree is the best blocker, so he and Taylor can take Q. Johnson’s role as a blocker and both are very good recievers and ST players. Johnson pretty much sucks at both. Williams is too good a receiver to make it thru waivers onto the PS. 5 TE’s and 1 FB this year, IMO.
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Keeping 5 TE's? On the 53?
That’s alot. How many did you have last year?
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4... and then 3
Finley (got injured though), Donald Lee, Quarless and Crabtree
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I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
We also carried 3 FBs last year and will only carry two at most, possibly only 1 this year
Two of those 5 TEs (Taylor and Williams) have some experience at FB, so carrying 5 TEs might seem like an absurd number but it really wouldn’t be taking up any more roster spots than last year.
Nick Petrilli? I liked him better when he was NickBloomfield.
I get it.
Last year we had 4 TE’s, of which Bear Pascoe filled in as FB because our starting FB, Hedgecock was put on IR. So we went into the season with 4 TE’s and 1 FB.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
1 of our 3 FBs from last year has already moved on
And the other showed up overweight and has failed to impress. Which is too bad because he’s our best power blocker and that is very handy on third and short or goal line situations.
I really hope I am pleasantly surprised on this, but our running game doesn’t look like it will be any better this year. Hope everyone’s ready for shotgun formation on the goal line again!
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by I voted for Kodos on Aug 29, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Short yardage
Power blocking is a very small part of our running game. And like you said, its the Only part that Johnson is better than Kuhn. Most downs Kuhn is vastly better at all assignments. I don’t see how losing a little better power blocker in short yardage is really going to negatively affect our running game much al all.
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I don’t think he thinks the running game is going to decline because Johnson hasn’t looked great. My guess is that it has more to do with how bad the OL has looked so far this preseason.
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by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
He’s a ST player.
People here think he’s more cause of a nice stretch of games where he caught some TDs when he was sitting wide open, uncovered in the middle of the field, but threre’s a reason he can’t seem to stick here (or in Detroit).
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I can see how that catch to TD ratio can be attractive, but put into context…. not so much it sounds like.
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So that makes 83
Only 3 guys left to cut before the 30th. I’m guessing they will be defensive cuts, since these three were offensive cuts.
Anthony Bratton/Brandon Underwood?
K.C. Asiodu/Cardia Jackson?
Chris Donaldson/Jay Ross?
Elisha/Elijah Joseph?
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Jarret F-ing Bush?
Beaten two plays in a row, one for a TD. Or maybe I’m just too down on him?
No, he's making the roster (for whatever reason).
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Blitzing and STs.
He’s most DEFINITELY weak in coverage, but Jarrett Bush is a very good blitzer.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 28, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Blitzing and versatility/special teams might keep Bush on the team
He is a jack-of-all-trades but certainly a master of none. I still think he’s probably better suited to play safety (he needs to start out looking forward because he never gets his head turned in time)
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by I voted for Kodos on Aug 29, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
$1.4 mil for situational blitzing?
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He'd be a perfect SS
but he’s not a good CB by any stretch of the imagination aside from blitzing from the dime CB spot…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 29, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Perfect SS?
Let’s not say things we can’t take back.
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by Wiedmann on Aug 29, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
All right, all right
he’d be a better safety than he IS a CB…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 31, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
This we can agree on.
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Anything that has him in less coverage makes him look better.
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by Wiedmann on Aug 31, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jarrett Bush at nose tackle?
Look out Howard Green!
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by I voted for Kodos on Aug 31, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine him looking worse than CB
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He was ST captain in the Super Bowl. They coaching staff clearly wants this guy around for reason’s other than his ability to cover a WR
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Well, can we place him on the depth chart next to Brett Goode & Masthay then?
because, honestly, any other place is a farce.
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Jon Hoese
is he still on the roster? I can’t find anything on him being cut and I see he is on the roster on packers.com as a huge gopher football fan/season ticket holder I am excited to see the Packers finally keep a Gopher for the first time since Chris Darkins… But I am a little curious why Hoese. Are they looking for Kuhn 2.0 or something?
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TT could be looking for a QJ replacement.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 28, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
No surprises here
I am sure Swain will catch on somewhere, just too much talent here but he’ll be able to be an immediate contributor on ST somewhere. I am not high on Havner but I suppose someone will pick him up solely cause he was a contributor here for a while.
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Class act
This is a good move by the team, not only were the players not going to make the squad but it gives them the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere. Swain and Havner may not have done a heluva lot, but it’s a heluvalot more than I’ve done. They’ll always be Packers and they’ll always be able to show off that bling. I hope they catch on somewhere and have productive careers.
Sherman too, minus the bling
Eh, the team's interests just coincided with the best move from the player's perspective.
These moves were made to give the younger players more opportunities. We knew what we were getting with Havner and Swain, and their skill sets were deemed expendable.
The only one of these cuts who might be missed is Swain on ST
And it sounded like West or Gurley would fill that void just fine so no suprises.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 28, 2011 3:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
TT and MM know their players
Good choices. Now, if only TT would make a deal for a high quality OL or two… No quarterback is ProBowl in the horizontal position, and we are still not scaring anyone with our running game
I really doubt
There’s an available OL player in the league at this point that would be better than any of our starting 5.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 28, 2011 5:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This, and we just spent two first round picks on our o-line
And likely will extend our best o-lineman in Sitton. What else do you want?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 28, 2011 9:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Brian Waters?
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Old, but could be serviceable.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 28, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone think there's a chance
Gurley makes the squad as the 6th WR over West? He seems to be playing as well on ST and I think he has more offensive potential with his height to develop as a WR.
by Archibaldcrane on Aug 28, 2011 5:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
There's a chance
I like his upside over West. However, do you or anyone else know what Gurley’s role is on Special Teams? I don’t think he’s a Gunner. Nor do I feel Gurley would be good as a Gunner considering he’s not that fast. I think he plays inside on the Punting Team. Both Gurley and West make a case to be on the team with their Special Teams ability. West could be a Gunner, but so could one of our backup CB’s or Safeties…
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If we kept a 6th WR, Gurley would be my choice.
He seems to be on the cusp of blocking a FG.
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Good at blocking kicks
I haven’t been able to see much of him as I only listened to the games at work, but I heard them say that during the week before the colts game he blocked 2 punts and something else. Seems he’s making some good S/T plays in practice at least. I hope he sticks as he is young and has the size. West has been impressive this preseason, but I think Gurley has the upside.
by Tracker J Dunn on Aug 28, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the kind of guy that could become a fan favorite.
I’m sure he’s learned from his mistakes and won’t do stupid stuff anymore. He always seems to be around the ball, even if he doesn’t have break away skills. He only had a few rec’s but i’d say nearly all of them went for either a TD or a critical 3rd down 1st. We’ve never been able to give him his full dues because we’ve had a log jab at the position for quite some time. Above Average run blocker, not sure about pass blocking, but he will throw himself into the thickest muck on a kickoff to bust up a pile. He can alse play inside linebacker and cover TE’s pretty well, but only in emergency needs. I’d say he’s a 2nd-3rd string TE at best, and an emergency ILB at best. His greatest value is red zone play action as well as kickoff and punt coverage.
A fan favorite? Where? He was cut.
He was also cut by the Lions, shortly after we cut him the first time. They picked him up as a LB and their defense wasn’t winning any awards that year. Yes, he was hurt…but a minor enough injury where potential would have earned him a roster spot on that team. He’ll stay in the NFL, but only on a team with a depleted LB/TE corps.
Was Kuhn anything until given a chance?
I’m just saying he was never going to be in a position to get a chance in Green Bay. Take him somewhere else, who are only 1-2 TE’s deep, and he can have a chance to make a name for himself and be the John Kuhn for another team. I bet two – three years ago, when you saw him getting thoe crucial catches, you were loving him. He just isn’t good enough for our team.
by Nels Winkler on Aug 29, 2011 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That was his opportunity with the Lions, who I mentioned multiple times in the post above.
This was before Pettigrew. He was signed primarily as a LB but they didn’t have much TE depth to speak of either.
5 TE 1 FB
I have also thought this for some time, I also noticed during the Colts game that AR-12 motioned Quarless into the backfield as a FB, I believe it was just for pass protection as Indy was blitzing, but it seems they are comfortable with putting the TE’s back there, even Quarless.
Tracker J Dunn must be a gun guy....
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 29, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
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