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How Do You Feel About Jolly?



How's everyone doing? This is my first time posting on this site, but I've been a fan of the pack since Sterling Sharpe days, and I've become a big fan of this site and the posts. My question is this: How do the packer fan base feel about Johnny Jolly possibly coming back? I know that Green Bay is an organization that puts a lot of emphasis on character, which is one of the things that I love and respect about this team. If I'm not mistaken, Jolly's been in trouble twice now with his unfortunate off-field issues. Bringing him back would open TT to all kind of criticism; I can hear people saying that he's back-sliding on his principles already.

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As much as I love how Mike Neal played in his limited time on the field last year, he remains a bit of an injury concern. I also thought C.J. Wilson provided some good play when he was injected into the mix. Depth is something I'm concerned about, and I personally think that Jolly prior to his troubles was one of our absolute best lineman. TT could be sending the message that the Packers can be a forgiving organization by allowing him an opportunity to make the team, pending his reinstatement, ofcourse. Yes/No? I don't know, but I think there is a possible debate to be had on this subject. Let me know how you think. It's just nice to be talking to fellow packer fans; I'm currently stationed (I'm in the Coast Guard) right in the heart of Eagles country, and to say that I'm slowly being driven crazy with all of this "Philadelphia Heat" noise would be an understatement.

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I would support either move...

If they don’t want him back, then I agree because he had his chance (twice) to not screw up and he couldn’t do it. Who even knows what kind of football shape he’s in?

But if Ted wanted to bring him back….and thought he could be a good part of the line again….then fine. Sucking codeine is hardly a criminal offense in my book.

I just think with the developments in the team over the past year or so since he was last a part of it, that he is now no longer needed. I thought he played DT? Think we got guys that can pass rush now better than he could.

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 3, 2011 5:50 AM CDT reply actions  

He played DE, but in the spot currently filled by Pickett.

Our line was Jolly-Pickett-Jenkins in ’09.

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 3, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

in the old 43 he played DT.

Since we went 34, he hasn’t played DT tho.

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by Strohman on Aug 3, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just referring to where he would fit in in this defense.

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by Omaha Sun on Aug 3, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

upon further research

i found that someone already wrote a similar post a couple of months ago about Jolly on this site. Still, with Jenkins now officially being gone to join the eagles, I think asking the question again becomes valid for the reasons stated in the post.

by rrsmith on Aug 3, 2011 7:02 AM CDT reply actions  

While I'm sure Jolly was pretty good some of the time

I can’t but think about how many times he did something stupid to keep our D on the field.

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by Tepo6688 on Aug 3, 2011 7:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...

this team now is nothing like it was with Jolly. Its grown, matured, formed into a cohesive unit and won. Jolly’s chance has passed him by with this team.

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by PhoenicianPakFan on Aug 3, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

He’s talented but I think the Packers (and myself) have washed their hands with him. He was about to get a second (really third) chance and he blew it again. Clearly he doesn’t have his head on straight enough to be the kind of guy we want around. I can’t see him getting back on the team.

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by TrevorR on Aug 3, 2011 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Simply put

he’s an Aggie.

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by KWashburn on Aug 3, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed!

…and I’m related to three Aggies by birth and marriage.

by Slim11 on Aug 7, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jolly

I would be very surprised if the Packers took Jolly back after his suspension. We don’t know when that will happen either. If the Packer bring him back I wouldn’t be upset about it tho. He basically would be playing the position that Pickett is playing as a run stuffing LDE. He wouldn’t enter into the mix for any of the roles that Neal and Willson are competing for and Jenkins played. Jolly only ever had problems when he went back to Houston in the offseason and the Packers wanted him to live in GB year round to keep him from “rollin w/ the homies”. You can be sure that any contract he would get in GB would be on the stipulation that he live in GB year round.

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by Strohman on Aug 3, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree--How many chances does he need?

Another question is—Will he be doing any prison time? I mean he did violate his parole etc..
He “coulda been” a Pro Bowl DE, but I am sure some team will pick him up (unless jail-time interferes) and the baggage that comes with him. Great Teams overcome players like this and move on.

by Buddyruff on Aug 3, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't need him, cut him loose.

screwing up on that level once is forgivable, but after the second time he should be done in Green Bay.

Plus, they don’t need him.

by sheehan on Aug 3, 2011 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

So done.

He squandered his opportunities in GB, and he’s been eclipsed by better, younger players.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

He's only been eclipsed by Pickett.

He’s the only one that plays the LDE position that Jolly played. Guy IMO, was drafted to play that position, but I don’t think I would say Guy has passed Jolly. Not that it means Jolly is ever going to play for the Pack again tho…

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by Strohman on Aug 3, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgiveness comes after repentance
TT could be sending the message that the Packers can be a forgiving organization by allowing him an opportunity to make the team, pending his reinstatement

We’ve already been down that road. He’s not going to change from being a guy who sells drugs because he wants to sell drugs. …or, at the very least, you can tell for sure that it’s important to him to keep his “rep” with the drug/gang crowd. Why else would a guy who was making millions of dollars continue to deal? And he kept doing so even while he was in the middle of a suspension. He knew the court was watching him, and he was still trying to get away with his crap. There’s only one conclusion to be drawn: He’s one of the bad guys.

I mean, if they took him back, it’s not like I’d stop following the team or something, but it would take a little of the shine off of anything they did with him on the roster.

by Curly Lambeau on Aug 5, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Difficult to judge motivations..

I agree with this:

Why else would a guy who was making millions of dollars continue to deal

But there is the rub. Can we really judge what the guy is going through with our limited knowledge of the situation? Maybe he has an addiction problem and needs help? I don’t know.

What I do know is that this is unknowable:

He’s not going to change

As long as he is breathing, he has the capacity to change. It’s his choice whether he does so or not.

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by White92 on Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we really judge what the guy is going through with our limited knowledge of the situation?

That won’t stop most from passing judgement on him. And can anyone on here really relate to what he grew up in back in Houston? From what I heard its the worst poverty ridden, crime ridden area of Houston if not the US.

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by Strohman on Aug 7, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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