Bye Nick Collins, hello Kevin Greene?
Nick Collins is gone for the year, possibly more. I wish him a good recovery and a healthy life. The first point that needs to be made is that Nick Collins has been the most underrated Packer for the past five years. Unheralded and disrespected Nick Collins has gone about his business, made pro bowls, and super bowl pick sixes. His speed at the safety position will be sorely missed as he will be replaced by the sprint-impaired Charlie Peprah. In a league that is pass heavy and on a team with linebackers who don't understand coverage, expect Peprah to be a victim on countless third downs.
Compensating for the loss of Nick Collins doesn't require any secondary adjustments however. Wood is needed at CB and moving him to safety will simply put him in size mismatches with TEs. Sammy Shields is good but not ready to cover premier receivers if Wood were to move to safety. The answer is pass rush. The Packers have forgotten how to rush the passer, with Clay being double teamed and the AJ Hawk/Desmond Bishop blitz failing consistently. Coupling that with pathetic OLBs to go opposite Clay and a front line that lacks push, opposing QBs will continue to light up the Pack after leisurely sitting in the pocket for 7 seconds. My answer to this problem is two prong: 1.) Go in a time machine and resign Cullen Jenkins. 2.) Give Kevin Greene a helmet and pads. Personally I prefer the latter option. Kevin Greene is insane and I'm sure still has the intensity to drive Jay Cutler facemask into the dirt. OKAY, Kevin Greene won't be playing anytime soon, but the problem with the Pack's D is the lack of a pass rush threat at the other OLB. (Zombo, Walden and Jones can all be cut in my opinion) Ultimately, I believe it is time to give So'oto a shot. I got a feeling he will be a beast. Otherwise the Pack will simply have to play a waiting game for Mike Neal and hope.
The moral of this story is that the Packers need to build depth at positions of need. Drafting two TEs, a WR and a RB is a waste. The defensive line needed depth and all we got was a 7th round pick who is on IR. OLBs needed depth and we got a clown in Ricky Elmore who wasn't even capable of playing the position. Instead we got Randall Cobb who gets stripped by his teammate, rookie TE Ryan Taylor, a running back who is inactive and another TE who is inactive. Don't freak out, I like Cobb, but if we are planning on resigning James Jones, why bother. With Jermichael as our number two RECEIVER, that puts Cobb at 6. Why not draft Cobb and give Cullen Jenkins that contract that Jones got?
The positive to the offense-heavy moves in the offseason is that we will be watching high scoring shootouts all season, watching opposing QBs stand in huge pockets and slinging TDs over the head of Charlie Peprah. My last plea to the Pack is to replace gatorade with purple drank and bring Johnny Jolly back!
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Jolly is suspended indefinitely. How do you suppose they will bring him back?
Why are you bringing up Kevin Greene?
Clearly they didn’t think Jones could be had for the bargain he was had for, he might make for a nice trade piece right now though. If anything you should have learned by now that you draft based on value, not on need. In addition, you can’t anticipate injury, they felt VERY good about the safety position going into the season so why would they draft it? It wasn’t even considered a need position any person either in here or by the “experts” or clearly by Thompson.
The trick with moving Wood to safety is the depth behind him. That puts Bush into the lineup even more and that is if Tramon is healthy and back this week.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
by TrevorR on Sep 19, 2011 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Greene brought up...
I don’t know, I can’t tell the intent of the author here. I am just going to speculate that you can cover some holes in your secondary with good pash rush. Greene will need to get Matthews and the rest of the crew in the backfield more and be more consistent on their drop back coverage.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 19, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t tell the intent of the author here
You’re not the only one.
I especially love calling into question the entire building and draft philosophy of the team.
In Every Climb and Place....
I am an ass hat.
by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 19, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it really doesnt make sense
sorry…i got excited and wrote this really quick…my first post…I’ll do better next time…you can count on me…this draft was poor though, the draft for value philosophy is sound but needs boundaries, for example, the packers won’t draft another QB until Flynn leaves town. Also, five TEs on a roster is silly, you can’t argue that, especially since we will keep dj williams inactive all season. The only reason I might understand the five TEs is if we are convinced we won’t be signing Finley and we are searching for replacements…which would be sad :( btw, quarless is worthless, (see fake field goal from last year)
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
5 TE is silly
Well Finley played alot of down on offense as expected. But the other 4 TE were all acive IIRC. Williams included… They all play ST and have some other roles on offense. Quarless wasn’t ready to be playing the downs he was last year, he was forced into it and then the lack of an offseason hurt him as much as any player on the team. If he’s worthless why do you think the Packers would keep him around? Shits and giggles? Calling a player worthless because he played poorly as a rookie is just dumb.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 19, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Packers have never kept a worthless player?
see:
Ahmad Carroll
Aaron Rouse
Justin Harrell
Brandon Chillar
Brady Poppinga
Jamal Reynolds
Cleditius Hunt
Terell Buckley
Jon Ryan
Dave Rayner
Koren Robinson
Marquand Manuel
Joe Johnson
Bhawoh Jue
and…
Andrew Quarless
the thing with quarless is they see his athletic ability and assume he should be good, but he has no hands and makes mental errors
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Athletic ability
Well that right there makes him useful. Means he can be a good ST player at the very least and has the ability to become a very good TE w/ some development! You do know that draft and DEVELOP is the Packers philosophy don’t you?!! I also didn’t say that they have never kept a worthless player. Some of the guys you mentioned were 1st rd picks or high round picks that won’t be cut for a minimum of 2 years. Alot of the rest were good ST players… Like I said Quarless was forced into playing time last year when he clearly wasn’t ready! By your definition of Quarless we should have cut Finley after his rookie year! He looked worse than Quarless!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 19, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just because you can find other players who didn’t work out doesn’t mean Quarless isn’t going too. Like Strohman said, he was forced into action before he was ready. Remember how bad Finley looked his rookie season? Drops, missed blocks, penalties — you name it and it happened.
Too call for him to be cut after 1 season is ridiculous. I agree keeping 5 TE’s was a little out there but it was probably done for a couple of reasons. First, what if Finley gets injured again? I doubt we’ll want to re-sign him if that’s the case. So, keeping both Quarless and Williams is smart because both of them could turn into good receiving TE’s. Second, our special teams unit is horrible. Crabtree did well on special teams last season, I’ve seen Taylor make a couple of plays on STs, and I’m sure Quarless and Williams have been used for STs too.
Who would you have rather they kept instead of say, Crabtree or Taylor? If you can’t answer, you really don’t have a valid complaint.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Sep 20, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hunt was a beast...
…In Madden
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Sep 23, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
A wager
ten bucks says that quarless never has a 30 reception year, or a 400 yards year, or a five td year…deal?
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Um?
Quarless has played great this year, he looks WAY better than any of the other TE’s, except Finley. He’s making Crabtree look expendable.
I love Donald Driver. AND RANDALL COBB!
by arodgb on Sep 19, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
really?
as far as I have seen Taylor has been good on special teams (well the Carolina game), Crabtree is the blocker…the reason he was kept last year…and Finley is the reciever…Quarless has 0 receptions…I’m not sure how many blocks I’ve seen him make but I don’t think I would call him a contributor…I would like those three (Finley, Taylor and Crabtree) Quarless is a poor mans…rather a homeless man’s FInley…and DJ Williams is nowhere
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Crabtree is having an AWFUL year.
Believe me. He cannot block this year.
I love Donald Driver. AND RANDALL COBB!
He cannot block this year?
They did a little segment about how valuable he is because of his blocking and catching ability on SC. I think I might believe the anal ysts
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Sep 23, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Quarless
He’s got great athletic ability and so far his blocking has looked quite good this year. I completely agree that he’s making Crabtree look more or less expendable at this point, and his ceiling is much higher with his atheltic ability. Our offense thrives on mismatches, so just imagine how formidable they’d be with 5 good WRs and 3TEs who can beat coverage?. Also, if you thought Quarless was so bad, just how bad is Tom Crabtree if he can’t beat him out? Like Strohman said, if you give up on a player after one year you’ve got ADD. It sounds like you would rather have Dan Snyder in charge of the Packers than TT.
Maybe you wrote this post in a hurry, Bhwaho Jue, but according to your “right now or never” strategy, I’d have to say you’re done writing posts.
"I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous."
— Hunter S. Thompson
by I voted for Kodos on Sep 19, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
"right now or never" strategy
Don’t bring the vikings into the conversation! LOL Or maybe Bhawoh Jue should be a vikings fan…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 19, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i still am a favre fan
love the old gunslinger
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Were you rooting for the Vikings (Favre) the past 2 years?
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Sep 20, 2011 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would explain his dated, bitter user name.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
This explains much.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
now or never
I do believe in thompson and developing people…we have the best qb in the league and a four or so year window for championships…I don’t want to see the defensive line crumble because we need to keep five TEs on the roster…but I see your guys points
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
DL
Isn’t going to crumble due to how many TE we keep. DL will live and die by what they do on the field. There is virtually NO chance they would keep 7 DL when we only play 2 on the majority of downs! The 2 positions have absolutely nothing to do w/ each other. AT least the TE contribute on ST, thats alot more than another DL would do!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 19, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess we will go 16-0
what do you think the teams downfall or weakness is strohm…or are we perfect?
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's talking about perfection?
Can’t make an argument anymore, so you throw that out there and make yourself look stupid? Nice…
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
ugh
I believe that our d line lacks depth and the pass rush will be the biggest weakness on the team…i think five TEs is too many and that we could add another DL…but I don’t want to argue…I hope quarless becomes a stud but i just dont see it
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine
Then tell me what DL you are going to find right now that can rush the passer! There are a derth of them the way it is… All teams are looking for DL that can rush the passer. Right now we are short on DL cuz Neal is in rehab, no other reason. Cutting a TE and signing a DL that can’t rush the passer doesn’t help the pass rush any!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 19, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
see howard green pickup from last year
did decent…added depth…made a play in the super bowl…as for available guys…i dont really know…anyone could help…give raji a few breathers
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 20, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Green isn't a pass rusher
He’s a run stuffer! Don’t let the one play he made in the SB confirm his ability as a pass rusher. He plays on run downs, NEVER on pass downs!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 20, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
DL
Raji- Run Stuffer with a great ability to pass rush. Pro Bowler
Pickett- Run Stuffer
Green- Run Stuffer
CJ Wilson- Balanced
Jarrius Wynn- Pass Rusher
Mike Neal- Balanced
That alone should tell you what coaches want out of their 3-4 defensive linemen.
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Sep 20, 2011 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pass Rush
In the 3-4, the pass rush is nearly always generated by the LB’s. Finding a defensive lineman that can do it is really icing on the cake. It’s RARE. We were lucky to have both Jenkins and Raji last year getting it done for us, and their contributions indeed were a big reason why we won the Super Bowl. However, these guys are extremely difficult to find. Do you know how many pass rushing 3-4 defensive linemen are on the market right now? ZERO. If there were any, they’d be scooped up in a hurry.
We all agree that letting Jenkins go for what he got was a mistake. However, there’s nothing we can do about it at this point. All we can do is work with what we have and develop what we have. In case you haven’t noticed, Jarrius Wynn has really shown some improvement in pass rushing from last year to this year. He’s penetrating consistently, and that’s a great sign. He has a long ways to go to get to Jenkins’ caliber, but how many 3-4 DE’s are at his caliber?
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Sep 20, 2011 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Seems to me
that Wynn is gaining strength and thus more downs every game, no?
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Sep 23, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering we run a 3-4 Defense, it is best to go with only 6 defensive linemen. One of the biggest reasons for our switch to the 3-4 was to reduce the number of linemen we carry on the roster to add more linebackers. LB’s, TE’s, and FB’s contribute the MOST on Special Teams. All of our TE’s are active on game day, and they contribute on Special Teams. If we were to carry another defensive lineman or 2, he’d get far less play time than our 5th TE on the roster. Add in the fact that we spend the majority of our time with only 2 defensive linemen on each snap, it makes it even far more unreasonable to add another defensive linemen. If we lose one for the year, then of course I’m in favor of it. At this point though, no. Largely for Special Teams purposes as Stroh mentioned.
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Sep 20, 2011 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right, but what DL should have been kept over one of the TE’s? I think we kept all of the guys that we should have.
However, I agree we shoulda signed Jenkins. It’s rare to find a DL who can be a good pass rusher in the 3-4, which is what Jenkins was. And he’s good against the run too.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Sep 20, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Develop Everyone
Pat Lee has great athletic ability…oops…bust…but lets keep going with him
Ricky Elmore has a motor and was a draft pick but we cut him?
You can’t develop everyone, you need to make choices…Crabtree blows Quarless away as a blocker and that is why we need him…Quarless lacks special teams value and offensive value…he is a project at best…talent is visible: tramon was a great development project but he showed glimmers of playmaking ability when he was young on special teams…(he has a sick punt return td against someone…I forget who) … cj wilson had moments last year so lets develop him…quarless was an utter failure last year…his TD reception against the vikings wasnt even a touchdown…dude can’t play ball…he is a wasted roster spot…FACT
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll trust Ted Thompson's judgment on "wasted" roster spots.....
A little more than “random guy who just joined this site a couple days ago and made this rambling, nonsensical Fanpost and subsequent comments the first thing we saw from him.” FACT.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Who is this undrafted CB named ‘Tramon’ who wasn’t even good enough to get a roster spot with the woeful Texans defense? What a wasted roster spot.”
“Who is this undrafted CB who only played one year of defense at Miami? What a wasted roster spot.”
“Why did we waste a 6th round pick on a RB who missed his entire senior year to injury, only to get injured again when he got to camp? What a wasted roster spot.”
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ugh
the guys came in and performed…sammy was the talk of training camp last year…starks was a stud in the second half of his ROOKIE season…and tramon was a special teams beast his first year here…quarless was a dropped pass on a fake field goal, a TD that was actually a drop…and lots of misrun routes and failed blocks…he stinks…but I hope he gets better…in the end i just have it out against penn state…
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't perform great when forced into a starting role as a 4th round rookie
What a wasted roster spot. And your description of how Quarless looked in that year sound an awful lot like another mid-round, athletic TE from a few years ago.
“Can’t seem to catch the ball very well. Criticizes the way Aaron Rodgers throws him the ball, to the national press.”
Quick, cut that waste of a roster spot!!!!!!!!!
The point is…..Ted Thompson has a proven track record of building a quality team. Is he perfect? Certainly not.
But his track record is certainly better than random internet guy who shows all the signs of formerly being one of those people who would scream “FIRE TED THOMPSON!!!!!” about three years ago…….
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
haters gonna hate
if quarless is good in two years or so i apologize…if he is unemployed you apologize…deal?
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care whether or not he's good in a few years
My only point is……I could care less what “random internet guy’s” opinion of the Packers roster is. My point is I trust Thompson and McCarthy’s judgment on the matter much more than I trust “Bhawoh Jue burned for 6!”
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*couldn't care less
That one always bugs me
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
why are you reading fan posts then
should i just say that i believe in the gm too? cuz i do but i believe there are some problems with the team…as a whole i think thompson is doing great…but dont read a fan blog if your going to point out that a fan has no credibility…
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's my opinion, as a fan. I have every right to express it here, whether you like it or not.
Just as you have the right to express yours.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats cool
If i disagree with a fan, I’ll tell him that Ted Thompson knows more about the roster than he does. you should probably change your name to captain obvious…or quarless lover…the worst part about this is your a packer fan and we are arguing…my next post will be about how jay cutler sucks…so everyone agrees with me
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I get it
Only people who agree with you are allowed to comment on your post!!!
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
this debate is tougher than playing in new england with matt flynn at qb
go pack go…i’m start quarless on my fantasy team…i feel karma kicking in!
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 20, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
When your posts and comments
essentially boil down to “I know more about how to make this team better than the guys running and coaching the team,” you are practically asking for someone to come around and say “those people know more than you do about filling roster spots than you.”
No offense, and sorry it got a little heated. But that’s the way of the world. When your opinion is strong, the responding opinion will also be strong.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 20, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
kiss and make up?
i’ll meet you at chumleys in new berlin for the super bowl after party in 4 months!
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about the kiss part......
but the makeup part is fine. :) Cheers!
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 20, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
There it is!!!
in the end i just have it out against penn state…
Seems pretty clear you do. Certainly on this thread against Quarless and judging by your screenname, against Jue too!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 20, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
caught me
well heres hoping joe pa lives to 300 and becomes gm when tt crokes…go pack
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 20, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Starks didn't see the field before then for two reasons...
1) Injury.
2) He wasn’t performing well enough in practice. It takes some time sometimes.
The biggest argument against your Quarless comments would be J-Mike himself. His rookie season he did nothing on the field and was a cancer off it (telling A-Rod to throw the ball better anyone?) Quarless will probably never be half the TE that FInley is, but he is still very young and very raw.
"I'm tired of pretending I'm not a rock star from Mars."
by Kuhl on Sep 20, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again
quarless was an utter failure last year…
What would you say of FInleys rookie year? AN udder failure x2? Finley looked worst than Quarless as a rookie!
And Quarless has dramatically improved his blocking. In the game vs NO he sprung Starks for a good run by making an excellent sustained block. Quarless is our best All Around TE. He is better on the LOS than Finley, better reciever than anyone not named Finley. Don’t know what your beef is w/ Quarless, but IMO your way off base!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
finley
he took time…but if you recall all the coaching staff raved about how he was going to be a beast…and he is
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Coaching staff
Was busy putting FInley in his place as a rookie. He thought he was too good to earn his job. Too good to have to catch backshoulder throws. THe coaching staff spent more time putting Finlley in his place as a rookie than they did saying he was gonna be a beast. Sure they ackowledged he had ability, but thats the same they are saying about Quarless, just not as effusive… or as busy putting him in his place!
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 20, 2011 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
expectations
expectation for finley coming into year two were through the roof…quarless doesn’t really have expectations this year except to know the offense and not have mental lapses…but i see your point…hopefully they can turn his ability into on field production…I just worry about those butterfingers
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Moo, baby.
I think I’ll milk Finley for all he’s worth.
by osc630 on Sep 20, 2011 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How now, brown cow?
Where’s the beef?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Pat Lee- why do we keep him? I don’t know. Probably because he’s better than any practice squad CB at this point.
Ricky Elmore- when 2 guys (So’to, Lattimore) that went undrafted clearly out played him, then he should be cut. He was a 7th Round pick anyways, and those guys rarely ever make the team.
Quarless- you’re the only one saying that Crabtree is outplaying him this year. FYI. as Stroh mentioned above, by your logic in cutting him after last year, we should have cut Finley after Week 8 in 2008. Finley was far worse than Quarless in his rookie season.
Above all else, I must admit you have guts criticizing Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy on player development!
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Sep 20, 2011 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guts or stupidity...
One or the other. LOL
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
by Strohman on Sep 20, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
FIRE MIKW MCMORON!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
There ya go!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 21, 2011 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Well the 5 TEs is a little silly by normal NFL standards...
but we did only keep 1 FB this year. Otherwise we keep 4 TEs and 2 or 3 FBs. In the end, they want those players for STs mostly.
I like the way they work them into the offense and use them in strange formations or goal line situations. And this year they did keep lots of defense at the expense of offense, it seems. Just that the injuries are in critical positions again. Hard to forsee that.
In Every Climb and Place....
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 19, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
well said
I agree with that, I would just like an offense that runs a lot of spread to go down to 4 or maybe 5 combined TE and FB…I hope that D-Line lasts the year…Pickett and Howard Green scare me in terms of making it into December. Also, if something happened to Raji the season would be lost…IMO
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell that to Belichek…clearly TEs are of growing value in the league and we’ve cornered the market on young up and coming TEs. They are versitile in that they can block and catch as well.
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by TrevorR on Sep 20, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not only that, but,
FBs are of diminishing value in today’s pass-happy-crazy NFL.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
except for that guy
who plays for the Raiders. FB revolution!
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
5 TE's is not silly
I love how you throw out that 5 TE’s is silly and then not back that up. I would guess that it’s about as silly as 3 FB’s, who does that right? Really though those three fullbacks, as much as they limited us in what sorts of offense we could run once Grant was injured (a key fact that’s often overlooked) still allowed us to mix up packages and run the kind of diverse offense that gave d-coordinators nightmares.
Really that’s the same thing with the 5 TE’s on the roster. I’ll start with the one you dislike the most, Quarless. Like it or not, Quarless is the most well rounded TE on the roster right now. If the Packers run a two TE set with Quarless and Finely they can run or pass very effectively. Any other two TE set that we run out will either be run or pass depending on who is out there. If it’s Crabtree and anyone it’s probably run, if it’s Williams and anyone it’s probably pass. Thus to get the right mix of packages and mismatches Quarless is a valuable component. After that Crabtree and Taylor are for special teams and blocking. Williams is insurance through what happens with Quarless’ development and Finely’s contract.
The other point is that your 5 TE conclusion is about as outdated as your handle. If you hadn’t noticed today’s NFL is quickly being built around the mismatches that can be created through a creative use of the TE. That’s what allows Brady to throw for 500 yards. That’s what is covering Cam right now in Carolina. That is what’s also opening thins up for Rivers and Ryan as well. It’s time for you to wake up to the realities of today’s NFL and stop living in the late 90’s and realize that TE’s in today’s NFL are flexible players that can be used to create mismatches all over the field.
by PackApologist on Sep 20, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
The other bits of total wrong in this take
I’m pretty sure that Williams was active for the first game and worked as an H back…filling in for the FB roll on motion. So stating that he’s inactive for the whole year is your basic fact fail. Really he’s going to bounce on and off the active game day roster depending on the match ups and injuries….you know like most other rookies even our first round draft pick this year.
I don’t get your problem with the drafting process at QB. Did you want the Pack to draft a QB this year? Who? In what round? It’s always nice to sit back behind your computer screen and type little angry notes about getting this player or that player, but seriously the draft is something that is handled as it unfolds. If a QB doesn’t quite rank up to the way the board is shaking out then you move forward with what you have. What the Packers have is Graham Harrell and a coaching staff that can develop QB’s. That’s enough for me despite Flynn’s contract status.
by PackApologist on Sep 20, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was screaming RYAN MALLET all draft day long.. Fire TT he passed on the face of our franchise.
I love Donald Driver. AND RANDALL COBB!
by arodgb on Sep 20, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I know it was a shame wasn’t it? Instead we got that Alex Green guy instead of a third string QB for a third roud pick.
by PackApologist on Sep 20, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what we should have done?
We should have traded up and taken Jake Locker. That Aaron Rodgers kid is an awful QB.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 20, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did he throw another interception?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 20, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
FTFY
We should have traded up and taken
Christian Ponder.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
depth at safety isnt my concern
charlie peprah’s lack of skill is manageable…lack of depth on the d-line is not. pickett has an ankle now, wynn will stop playing well, and raji is the only guy I would want as a starter. the d-line is the down fall this year…and there comes a point where the fifth TE might have more value than a d-lineman but might still be a dumb choice
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
"Wynn will stop playing well"
Thank you, Kreskin.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 19, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like that's what he wants, doesn't he?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
What? Pickett has two ankles!
Plus he’s a great starter, I don’t think the injury is too serious. The coaches love Wynn, and he’s more than adequate until Neal comes back. You posted above that you wanted everyone to agree with you. You don’t need to bash Cutler to do that. Just post intelligently.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Sep 20, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Walden has actually been pretty decent so far.
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Sep 19, 2011 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
flashes...not consistency...IMO
^^
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 19, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would agree with that mostly...
with the understanding that he would never really be counted on to be a big playmaker from the start.
In Every Climb and Place....
I am an ass hat.
by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 19, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
This
He is pretty good in coverage though. But still, I’d much rather have somebody who can apply at least a little pressure.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Sep 20, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's nice to see that there are still TT haters out there
It’s also nice to see that they are still trapped in the Mike Sherman era of thinking when Mr. Jue was running around in bad coverage.
After skimming the comments and the post I am just left shaking my head wondering what’s going on….
Why would you be fine saying that Zombo, Walden, and Jones can all be cut…but So’oto should be out there? Seriously? Zombo has been hurt since the end of the preseason. While Zombo didn’t light things up the dude was solid and was able to generate a few sacks…you know including a key one in the Super Bowl. Walden also isn’t a clone of Woodley running around out there, but he’s upped his coverage and is stout against the run. Brad Jones is like these other two guys…not dynamic, but not terrible.
And what makes you think that So’oto is going to be any better? Right now he’s had good practices and one great preseason game. That’s something to build on, sure, but he’s also been injured and not gotten on the field for real game time. Now he should spell and rotate with the other guys at OLB (and by “guys” I mean everyone not named Clay Matthews who is not a man but a beast), but he shouldn’t be considered a starter or better than any of the other guys out there until he shows me something when not playing against third stringers or the Chiefs (which is looking more and more like the same thing).
Finally some advice going forward:
1. Get a handle that is relevant to this decade.
2. Don’t write angry.
3. Think through what the shape of the NFL is before you throw something out like talking Kevin Greene coming back or 5 TE’s is unquestionably wrong.
4. If you are going to question TT come with some strong and compelling because you’re going to be swimming against the current
by PackApologist on Sep 20, 2011 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Amen on So'oto
Once upon a time, Zombo and Walden had great games also. Some of them were even in the regular season…
For me, I have at least as much faith that Zombo and Walden will continue to develop into solid players than I do in So’oto being good.
So'Recd
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"It's a great day to be great, baby!"
Skol is a four-letter word.
The Munsters of the Midway still suck!
In a league that is pass heavy
That’s why we drafted a WR (Cobb), a pass-catching TE (Williams), and a 3rd down RB (Green).
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by Mitchell Maurer on Sep 20, 2011 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention a pass protecting O-lineman
And our first non-offense pick was a corner. I really don’t get where this guy thinks we don’t acknowledge the fact that it’s a pass happy league.
by PackApologist on Sep 20, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we might have our "Fire Mikw McMoron!" moment for 2011
Cut Sherrod, get rid of Bishop, force Raji to take a pay cut (his rookie year was pretty mediocre), and dump Donald Driver – it took him too long to develop!
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by I voted for Kodos on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh, god. No Wilfork. We'd have Collinsworth hiding in bushes around Green Bay to catch a glimpse of him.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Sep 21, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
God, I love these forums lol
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by Shamalamadingdong on Sep 21, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's Collinswortho?

That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 21, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fuck yes! Where's Waldo!
In Every Climb and Place....
I am an ass hat.
by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 22, 2011 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions
PS Signing News
Packers sign DL (DT?) Johnny Jones to the PS. Not much on him in the way of scouting reports. He evidently was a good field-goal blocker in college, so what?
I was hoping they’d sign Levine or Gordy to fill the spot left by West, but no such luck.
He is the crossbreed of Johnny Jolly and James Jones.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 21, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
So, he would constantly be on the purple drank, if not for the fact that he keeps dropping the bottle?
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
by Packers3485 on Sep 21, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
D-Line Depth...yea buddy
i see johnny jones to the 53 in oh 4 weeks…when picketts ankle crumples under his weight and bj starts getting winded from too many snaps…i know he has the hypobaric chamber but come on…60 snaps a game!?!?!?! howard green is losing the faith of the coaching staff…cj wilson and jarius wynn don’t go on the field at the same time…mike neal is still healing…the other option…kevin greene – who has put on weight, could play on the line!!!!
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 21, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
genius
haters gonna hate and thats fine…but d line depth is a big issue….good to see me and ted are on the same wavelength…now i must use my telepathy to get quarless cut
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 21, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right!
We need 2 more defensive linemen to keep the bench warm. We can eliminate 2 Special Teamers. Who the heck needs them? Then again, Dan Connoly managed to return a kickoff for a TD. I think you’re on to a new trend…defensive linemen returning kickoffs for TD’s! Bhawoh 4 GM! Fire Ted Thompson!!!

One game at a time...
REVENGE4BHAWOH!
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Sep 22, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol stop reminding me. Actually keep reminding me cause it was so funny.
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I've always wondered if he's actually 5'9".
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by BlackPack-fan on Sep 23, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Defense Problems...
The problems have been talked about at length…lack of pass rush, stiff ILB’s, lack of depth for the front 7.
I think the pass rushing problem is overrated. We are 4th in the league in sacks and I have seen numerous occasions where a pass rush has been generated but a check down is wide open alleviating the pressure,
My biggest problem has been with the ILB’s. Both Hawk and Bishop have been exposed in coverage. This is where Collins loss may affect us most. He had to ability to mask these problems in the long term. Without him I fear that TE’s and RB’s will gash us on any routes that threaten the middle of the field.
+1
I mentioned in a couple other threads that the biggest issue lies in the coverage of the LB’s. We were killed 2 weeks in a row by the RB’s getting the checkdown and the TE’s beating our LB’s. The secondary has its faults as well, but I’m with you that the LB’s are not doing their job in coverage. If we can eliminate those checkdowns, we are doing a much better job of getting our defense off the field sooner. Our pass rush has been just fine the past couple games. It’s not as dominant as it was last year, but you can’t have the #1 pass rush every year! I’ll gladly take #4.
One game at a time...
good point
i think i want wood to shadow forte as much as possible…but in reality we will see aj hawk burned and desmond bishop juked, as matt forte has 8 receptions for 147 yards…aj hawk is still a bust for a fifth overall choice…who cares if he did good last year…i miss mufasa hair (though barnett never really played with that hair, he was just hurt with it)
Dagger anyone?
by Bhawoh Jue burned for 6! on Sep 22, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Not Woodson
Having Woodson covering a RB is not the best utilization of his skills. Keep Woodson on the WR’s, especially considering we really need his coverage skills. I would say put Bush on him, but then we are more vulnerable to the run. All we can really do is rely on our LB’s. LB’s are expected to cover RB’s, so they have to get the job done. Occasionally bringing Woodson in to cover him wouldn’t be bad, and he could get a few blitzes in that way, but Woodson shouldn’t be covering the RB for the majority of the game.
What we could use is an ILB to play in the Nickel. The same way we utilized Brandon Chillar, only not injured as often. Barnett would’ve been way too expensive to take on that role, thus being why he was released. I don’t know if DJ Smith is that guy or not. He is only a rookie at this point.
One game at a time...
Smith still looked very raw in coverage from what I saw this preseason.
There also won’t be many weeks when we face players like Sprioles receiving out of the backfield or TE tandems such as Olsen/Shockey. It’s something we need to improve, but I’m not too worried.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
You need to look up what a bust is before you start throwing words like that around.
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by TrevorR on Sep 22, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, I think the ILB’s have been a big problem in coverage, and in blitzing (anybody else notice that the ILB stunt blitz never seems to work). It seems like we always have Hawk take the RB when we’re in man, and for the life of me I just don’t get it. I suppose offenses could just be isolating him though too. Either way, he looks too slow and stiff.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Sep 22, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a lot of questions. First off, how the hell does Kevin Greene help the loss of Nick Collins? Second, why do you keep saying ‘haters gonna hate’? Are you in fifth grade? Third, do you actually watch the Packer games, or just the highlights? Fourth,
The moral of this story is that the Packers need to build depth at positions of need. Drafting two TEs, a WR and a RB is a waste. The defensive line needed depth and all we got was a 7th round pick who is on IR. OLBs needed depth and we got a clown in Ricky Elmore who wasn’t even capable of playing the position. Instead we got Randall Cobb who gets stripped by his teammate, rookie TE Ryan Taylor, a running back who is inactive and another TE who is inactive. Don’t freak out, I like Cobb, but if we are planning on resigning James Jones, why bother. With Jermichael as our number two RECEIVER, that puts Cobb at 6. Why not draft Cobb and give Cullen Jenkins that contract that Jones got?
So, the needs going into the draft were an offensive lineman, a playmaking kick returner/punt returner, a third down back to replace Brandon Jackson, a special teams ace, and a pass rushing outside linebacker. We hit on all four, and only missed on the pass rushing linebacker, which we may have hit on AFTER the draft. I know you REALLY wanted that quarterback to replace our scrub quarterback Rodgers, but I’d say our picks were well spent, especially since we might not have beaten the Saints without Cobb. Really, this post is absolutely ridiculous.
I love Donald Driver. AND RANDALL COBB!
by arodgb on Sep 22, 2011 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I thought Thompson did a good job hitting on everything. Obviously, we don’t know on Sherrod but from all indications he’s supposed to be your prototypical LT. If he turns into that, we’ve got pretty much all of our OL spots filled for the future aside from C, and even Wells probably has 4-5 years left.
Cobb fills our return void but more importantly to me, he’s going to be another weapon on offense. His TD against the Saints showed his explosiveness, and so did his catch and run off that curl route in the Panthers game. He actually reminds me a lot of Jennings. I liked what Green showed as a pass catcher too. Hopefully we can teach him how to block, which I imagine will happen.
I do understand his point about re-signing Jones though. Too me, it does seem like kind of a mystery. My theory is we did so because it didn’t cost much, and we wanted to see how Finley’s season went. If he gets hurt again, I doubt we re-sign him, which would require somebody to move up and take his role. My guess is it would be Nelson, or even Cobb depending on how much he develops. And because we all know Teddy loves his receivers, maybe he would want to keep Jones as a third/fourth option guy?
And yeah, I get his frustration about not getting another OLB opposite Matthews but there weren’t really any available to us early.
I also wish we woulda re-signed Jenkins but oh well.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Justin Houston was avail
He lasted to 3rd rd. Tho I think Thompson took him off the draft board at least in the top rounds due to his getting a 2nd positive in the drug program at the combine.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Yeah, maybe he was being a little overvalued as a pass rusher too. There’s no way he drops that far if he really had that much pass rushing ability.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
KC fans
THe one that visited here and ones I talked to on their site are all pretty high on Houston, Think he is the steal of the draft. Can’t say for sure, but I think he was a 1st rd talent. Only reason I can think of to fall to the 3rd is the drug violations.
You've been Stroh'd™!!!
Didn't he already have some trouble since he was in the league?
Thought I heard something about him this offseason…
In Every Climb and Place....
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 23, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
In the offseason?
Only thing I know of w/ Houston is that he tested positive once in college and then again at the combine. Haven’t heard of anything since the combine… But I haven’t exactly followed KC closely either. Mothing ever came up in the time in spent on the chiefs blog in the preseason tho.
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