Packers Roster: 10 Defensive Backs Make The Team
The Green Bay Packers play most of their defensive sets with five defensive backs, so if there was an area to keep an extra player or two, the defensive backfield was the place. This is the deepest backfield I can ever recall. That doesn't mean that everyone is a future star, but they'd be OK if any of these players (except Jarrett Bush) were forced into a starting role.
The locks: Charles Woodson, Nick Collins, Tramon Williams, and Bush. Why is Bush included? Because if he can play like he's played over the past few seasons and still have a roster spot, he's never leaving. I don't know what he'd have to do to find himself released.
Locks, but they're not both starters: Sam Shields and Morgan Burnett. Shields plays as much as some other defensive starters as the third CB, and I wasn't quite sure Burnett had the other starting safety job secured until training camp began. Both players were locks to make the roster.
The backups: Davon House, Pat Lee, M.D. Jennings, and Charlie Peprah. House barely played this preseason as he was battling one injury or another, but they don't appear to be serious (or he'd be placed on I.R.) and the fourth round pick has shown enough in practice to show he belongs.
Lee was the best of the backup cornerbacks in the final preseason game, and his past experience with the defense helped him secure a roster spot.
Jennings was fine when he played safety, but he recovered two onside kicks on special teams that probably earned him a job. I didn't expect he'd have any chance to earn a roster spot at the start of training camp.
I thought Peprah would open camp as the starting safety, but he was never in the mix. He played like a backup this preseason. It's good to know they have such an experienced starter on the bench.
On the outside: S Anthony Bratton, CB Josh Gordy, S Anthony Levine, CB Brandian Ross, and S Brandon Underwood. I'm not surprised these five players missed out, but I won't be surprised to see them get another chance elsewhere (or wind up on the practice squad).
Bratton might have been just as good on defense as M.D. Jennings, but didn't stand out on special teams.
Gordy got off to a strong start and played with the first team defense at times, but he slid down the depth chart as the preseason went on. He allowed two TD passes against the Chiefs in the final preseason game.
Levine was out due to a concussion for most of training camp, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him back on the practice squad at some point because he did a great job with the scout team last season.
Ross is listed at 6-0 but he seems taller due to his long arms. He made a couple rookie mistakes, but he showed some potential. I'm glad they were able to sign him to the practice squad.
Underwood never translated his great athletic ability into a great performance on the field. His off-field legal problems over the past couple years didn't help him, but it was his on-field play that made his release inevitable.
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You say some of these guys could be on the PS...
but isn’t it already set? Can they add more to it later or do you think ones on our PS will get activated by other teams and we will have to replace them?
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 4, 2011 6:20 PM CDT reply actions
PS is extremely fluid
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by Green and Bold on Sep 5, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
or it can be
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by Green and Bold on Sep 5, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Bush is good enough on special teams to almost cover his sins as a CB
And really though, he’s probably best suited to slide over to backup safety.
People hate on Bush all the time (and I’ve shaken my fist at the heavens a couple of times myself when he’s blown an assignment) but no Bush and maybe there’s no clutch interception in the Superbowl and we’re left talking about “what if” instead of celebrating for the past six months.
by nikolokolus on Sep 4, 2011 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
All the Bush haters STFU, he was one of the brightlight on special teams. He had at least 3 huge plays on ST in the plays offs. Thats why he is on the team. Is that really so hard to understand?
It’s realy hard to take an article serious when the writer is so obvious baised!
Its really hard to take your comment "serious" for many reasons....
not the least of which being that it was entirely incomprehensible.
The author was commenting on the secondary play of Bush, not his special teams play.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 5, 2011 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This.
Basically the guy is saying, “OMG I DINT READ THE ARTICLE, BUT IA M GUNNA RAGE!!!!”
He is piss poor in coverage. He is an exceptional special teamer. The internet is the bane of reading comprehension.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Sep 5, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I suspect there was a tiny bit of humor behind that statement as well. Brandon knows Bush is the site scapegoat.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 5, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
“Why is Bush included? Because if he can play like he’s played over the past few seasons and still have a roster spot, he’s never leaving. I don’t know what he’d have to do to find himself released.”
He is asking why he was’nt release, the answer is: He is a specials teams player first and foremost. So referring to his bad play as a corner and asking why he is not cut, is not very serious. If he also was a bad ST player then I would take his question seriously. But apparently some think he is good : http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/09/03/packers-2011-preview
So please stop the Bush hating. But I must admit that he is the first player I cut when I play madden franchise :)
btw: I am Danish and a “bit” dislectic… so sorry for my bad english, even my danish sucks.
I was kind of wondering if perhaps you weren't an English-first speaker...
or had some other reason besides the usual trolls. My apologies.
In going back over the article, you are right. It doesn’t really differentiate between ST and Defensive play, but I think Brandon is getting at, that at some point, even though a guy is kept around for ST he has to show some kind of potential at his main position over time. Bush has had a long time and though he’s improved, he’s just not in any way trustworthy in the secondary. Watching him play again in preseason I wonder more and more if that Super Bowl play was just a fluke and he lucked into it (as many have speculated). I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but watching him still have absolutely no awareness in coverage hurts my eyes.
But that being said, I don’t have any problem keeping him around solely for ST if he makes as many plays as he did last year. The tandem of Masthay dropping punts inside the 20, and Bush downing them there, I believe, was invaluable to a couple of our wins.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 5, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
I wonder more and more if that Super Bowl play was just a fluke and he lucked into it (as many have speculated).
Read an article awile back where Bush credited Woodson for teaching him how to watch tape. Bush made that play becuz he KNEW who was getting the ball, something he learned from and credited Woodson for. So no, it wasn’t a fluke, he studied, knew the formation and the reciever Ben was throwing to and went away from his coverage to make a play, just like Woodson does many times a season.
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Well maybe he knew the tendency....
but had Ben seen the receiver uncovered behind him……
it was a nice play….but I’m not sold on his defensive play. A lot like Peprah this preseason….
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 5, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats just it tho...
He did know the formation and every time he saw the formation Ben thru to a certain reciever, w/o regard to who else was in the pattern. Much the same way Woodson/Williams make many of their plays. By stepping outside his responsibility… Something I mentioned before that drew an argument.
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Every time Bush
is in at CB,7 points go on the board.Does his SPT play really offset that,I don’t think so.
Give me a better CB,especially one who can find the ball when he knows the play is coming at him and I’ll chance the plays on SPTs he isn’t in on.
Every time? What about his pick during the Super Bowl?
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Sep 5, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately the image that comes to mind in this example....
involves a blind squirrel and a nut.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 5, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, same.
The only thing I like about him on defense is that he doesn’t draw as many penalties as Ahmad Carroll did. He’s a good gunner, a very valuable position on the punt team. If he’s on the field then we have other, more serious problems.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
(on the field for defense)
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I want M.D. to make some plays so we can
make jokes about “The Dr.” being in the house.
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That could also happen if you accidentally walked in on a "secondary meeting"...
but I’m not sure anyone wants to see that.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 5, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bush haters used to be justified
But they need to temper their hate as of late. He made a game changing play in the Super Bowl and has always been a special teams ace. Maybe he carries his SB heroics in to 2011. Who knows. I just think people should suspend their judgement until we see how he plays THIS season.
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by Green and Bold on Sep 5, 2011 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in a while.
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by Kuhl on Sep 5, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And even the worst players can improve!
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by Strohman on Sep 5, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bah I used the same analogy above before reading yours....
/beats self with porcupine blanket
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 5, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The guy played well (not outstanding, or anything, but just well) all of last season. Then he came up huge in the SB.
I was the most hitin’est hater of them all last offseason, but I was wrong. …as is everybody who’s still hatin now. Bush is turning into a very nice player all the way around. Get used to it.
by Curly Lambeau on Sep 5, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Curious......did you watch this preseason?
I’m a Bush defender. I think his play on ST justifies a safe spot on the roster (though probably not at $1.4 million….), and I don’t think his coverage is AS bad as some think.
But were you watching this preseason? He got the chance to play against the 1’s, and he (along with Pat Lee, until his good game against the Chiefs) looked absolutely brutal out there. With Woodson, Shields, and Tramon playing little (if at all) in the preseason games, the CBs we put out there made Colt McCoy, Matt Cassel, and Curtis Painter look like All-Pros. Granted, a lot of the time the Packers were going vanilla on D, so they weren’t getting much help from the rush, but the CBs were absolutely brutal.
I think it’s safe to say, if we have to rely on Bush for anything other than special teams, our defense is going to suffer big time. If Woodson, Tramon, or Shields go down for an extended period of time, I will be extremely worried about our chances for post-season success.
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Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
I would be fine using Bush in zone coverage
Lee too for that matter. I think Bush’s best position is by far S, not CB. As long as he can see the play developing he seems to be fine. But playing in man coverage w/ his back to the QB gives him problems. Pretty hard to judge the CB too harshly in preseason, since as you mentioned, the D was very vanilla and also the fact that nobody does any film study for opponents to prepare for that team and the players your playing against.
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by Strohman on Sep 5, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He certainly hasn’t “always” been a special teams ace. Let’s not exaggerate here. Am I the only one who remembers all the penalties he used to rack up early on in his career? I mean seriously, I still think he’s the only player I’ve ever seen in the NFL line up offsides more than once in his career. He definitely is better now, but that’s still all he’s good for.
Anytime he’s on defense, he gets taken advantage of. He has no awareness whatsoever, which is a shame because he actually seems to do a decent job of sticking with his guy.
I know people will bring up the SB play but for me that doesn’t negate years of poor plays on defense. I get that it was on the biggest stage but it was also a horrible read and decision by Big Ben, who seems confused and rattled all game long. Bush took a gamble, and it paid off. But I also saw the Steelers consistently target Bush in the middle of the field, and usually succeed in doing so.
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by packallday555 on Sep 6, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You simply refuse to give Bush any credit for that play!
He studied, recognized the formation, knew where the ball was going (if that formation Ben alway threw the crossing route) and went and made a play. Something Woodson has made a career of doing. But don’t let that stop you from hating on Bush for making a play!
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We're not hating on him for that play....
we’re hating on him for apparently having the ability to do all the things you mentioned on that one play……and no others.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 6, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
That’s da troof (as the kids say these days).
The play was great, now, let’s see it replicated.
PAD refuses to give him credit.
Face it Bush went and made something happened and made a HUGE play to help win the SB! I’m not saying he’s a great CB, just think he deserves alot of credit for making a game changing play in the SB. I could care less if he makes another one the rest of his career. He made one of the biggest plays in the biggest game of his life, that alone makes him worth every penny of the contract he was given.
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by Strohman on Sep 6, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's worth even if he didn't make the SB play...
as long as he keeps it up on ST.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Sep 6, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He made a one great play...
We don’t need to give him a lifetime spot on the team for one interception. He’s still an awful CB (until he proves otherwise for a season) and if not for his special teams play would not deserve a roster spot.
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Bush get his roster spot for his ST play
And I never said Bush was a good CB, in fact he isn’t… Hopefully he won’t see the field much as a CB this year. All I’m saying is PAD should give Bush credit for making a great play. Instead of saying Ben made a bad read… He didn’t. Bush broke off his coverage and went and made a great play in the biggest game of his life!
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by Strohman on Sep 6, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gosh Packers Fan Are Harsh On Bush
Hey The Guy Made A Great Play On The Ball because hes a hardworker and he study films with Woodson, and give me some credit for stepping up Big in a SB, And BTW this guys was open but idk because Peprah was in the bace end if you look at the video, and hey he didnt say it was all him but yea he gave the credit to Woodson for helping him out, how many DB’s do that and give credit to another guy for helping him make a Game changing INT……Well Props to Charles Woodson and Jarrett Bush
Hope You Prove Them Wrong Bush……..
by Touhue Cha on Sep 7, 2011 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

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