On Momentum, Eli Manning, The Offensive Line, and The Goal On Defense
by Brandon on Jan 11, 2012 7:01 AM CST
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Tanier: Don't talk about first-round 'momentum' - NFL- NBC Sports. A good look at why the Giants win on Sunday against the Falcons won't help them beat the Packers next Sunday.
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Wild Card Quick Reads. A look at Eli Manning's game against the Falcons. Other than a touchdown pass, he was generally ineffective in the first half. He was much better in the second half when the Giants scored 17 points.
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Audibles at the Line: Wild Card Weekend. "The real story here is that New York's defense completely kicked Atlanta's offensive ass," wrote Vince Verhei. The Giants defensive line played very well, and the Falcons had trouble blocking their defensive tackles. That shouldn't be a problem for the Packers because their interior offensive lineman (T.J. Lang, Scott Wells, and Josh Sitton) are very good.
Giants-Packers: Judgment day for defense - NFC North Blog - ESPN. Kevin Seifert looks back at all the yards that the pass defense has surrendered, but also looks at one of their best games of the season. On Thanksgiving, the Packers got pressure on Matthew Stafford without blitzing (a season low 22.4 percent) and the Lions didn't score until they were down 24-0 in the fourth quarter. I don't know if it's possible to pressure Eli Manning effectively by rushing only four, but that should be the goal.
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Calvin Johnson might have something to say about that.
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 11, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Do Victor Cruz & Hakeem Nicks have nothing to do with Eli's success?
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I look at it as how many WRs/TEs does the QB make look better then they really are.....
Eli : Cruz (UDF) Ballard (UDF) Manninham (last pick of the 3rd rd)Domenik Hixon (4th rd) K Boss (5th rd)
Stafford: ????
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Stafford makes Calvin Johnson look better than he is
scouting is hit or miss. If you think Cruz only looks good because Eli is throwing him the ball, you’re wrong, he could thrive with a lot of different QBs.
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or that vv
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So it would seem.
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Stafford makes Calvin Johnson look better than he is
LOL
So i guess the combination of Dan Orlovsky,Jon Kitna,Daunte Culpepper and Drew Staton Made Him and his 1330 yds n 13 TDs look better in his 2nd yr in the league? LOL!
Of course Cruz is great, but if u think Eli dont make him look even better then……
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1331 & 12 TDs is less than 1681 & 16 TDs
You cherry-picked the stats & still couldn’t make it look better.
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Yeah, but you're talking about going from bottom of the barrel QBs
to above-average ones. 1681 and 16 TDs is better than Calvin really is? The fact that he was able to do 1331 and 12 with a bunch of backup scrubs shows how good he really is. Of course he’s going to do better with a good QB.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
More evidence than Manning making Cruz & Nicks better
when there’s no data to compare it to.
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Here's a stat for ya.
Giant WR’s were second in the league in dropped passes 1st in dropped TDs.. Nicks n Cruz being the main culprits.
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Are you arguing that Calvin Johnson isn't a top-3 WR in the NFL?
I guess I don’t understand this whole “Calvin isn’t as good as his stats” argument.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
also ;scratching head
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No, absolutely not
Calvin Johnson is the best WR in the NFL.
That doesn’t mean his QB is shit, though. You can’t make the argument that Stafford only looks good because of Calvin Johnson & ignore the weapons Eli has around him.
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who did that?
Stafford is great Eli better is all . Facts are facts .. Eli has taken UDFAs 5th ,6th rnd picks and made them look great. And when them players move on they suck.
Stafford has 1st & 2nd rnd picks and they look how they should (a sign of a good QB).
How good would Elis #s be if not for all the dropped TDs and such?He would also be well over 5000 yds. But this isn’t my argument this pointing out some unknown facts.
Both QBs had no run game ,so thats a wash.
playing in a dome is nice too.
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Eli has taken UDFAs 5th ,6th rnd picks and made them look great. And when them players move on they suck.
OR… it could mean the coaching staff did a good job coaching and the front office people did a good job scouting..
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 11, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
And I guarantee if those two guys left, they would do just as well elsewhere
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 11, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
History proves otherwise. (I gave u examples)
also Ballard has a job because The TE we Signed in FA decided to retire just before seasons start. He like Cruz were practice squad players… That means teams could have got at them..
Before the final cuts it came down to Cruz & Clayton the staff were split and it came down to Mara (the owner) to keep Cruz.
Yeah! Cruz and MARK CLAYTON.
So try as u may to diminish Elis accomplishments .. But all ur arguments fall sadly short.
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Never was a fan of Ballard
And Steve Smith was injured and buried on the depth chart.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 11, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
psssst…Nicks is a first round draft pick. Manningham is a third round pick. Steve Smith (who is no longer there) was a second round pick. Ramses Barden was a third round pick. Jeremy Shockey was a first round pick.
You want me to keep going?
Who are these UDFAs and late round picks you are talking about anyway? So there is one, Cruz…big damn deal.
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lol! I take it your the APC tough guy. OK ..Did u just bring up Shockey? lol! Dude was a cancer .
Who are these UDFAs and late round picks you are talking about anyway? So there is one, Cruz…big damn deal.
He gets hurt Eli gets a ring .
Allow me to help you with your math.
Cruz (UDF) Ballard (UDF) Manninham (last pick of the 3rd rd)Domenik Hixon (4th rd) K Boss (5th rd)Nicks (1st rd)
Stafford is throwing to 1st n 2nd rounders .
So whats your argument ? or are u just lonely?
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Yeah, exactly
Roy Williams was a 1st round pick (7th overall) & Hester was a 2nd rounder and look how good they’re making Jay Cutler appear!
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point?
Who are these UDFAs and late round picks you are talking about anyway?
question answered.
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referring to this
Stafford is throwing to 1st n 2nd rounders .
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I say that because its pointing out what kind of talent he was given to succeed . (More so then Manning) .
Its a small aspect to my over all argument. try not hurting yourself harping on it.
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Seems like its quite a large aspect of your argument
The only other thing I’ve seen is you saying for justification is that the Giants are 2nd in drops.
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1. 32nd ranked run game
2. 2. 2nd in league with drops
3. No friendly dome to play in.
4. Doing it with UDFAs and late rnd picks.
5. Stafford has the best WR in the game.
im sure i missed a couple.
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Hold on a sec
You cant use the argument of a 32nd ranked run game, if you are going to turn around and say you guys have a good running game. Pick a side. Are you what your rankings indicate, or are you better than that?
no.not anymore
but for the 1st 12 weeks? yes
simple math.
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So
You are saying that you are better than that 32nd ranked run game then? Good, then stop using that to justify your argument.
And maybe you should look up how the Lions ran the ball this season. They were hardly effective at running it, part of the reason Stafford passed the ball 40+ times from the shotgun.
Whats my argument?
I don’t have one, you are the one making some big argument citing draft position and players moving on and sucking.
I’ll help you out:
Eli has taken UDFAs 5th ,6th rnd picks and made them look great.
So according to your “math” we have 2 UDFAs that are starting that fit into your model (UDFAs 5th ,6th rnd picks) that Eli supposedly makes better. Ballard is a first year player and a middle of the road TE at this point.
Who are the players that are moving on and sucking?
HOw about this…next time you have a point to make, back it up with something logical. This is a bunch of nonsense.
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We've seen enough of Eli to know what he is and isn't, with a variety of weapons.
This is our first look at a full season of Stafford, so it’s a little bit harder.
And I mean, this isn’t even Eli’s best season passing by passer rating. I think the arguments of Eli’s greatness have been vastly overstated, and not because of his supporting cast. He’s never cracked a 94 passer rating in any season. He’s good, consistent, and unspectacular.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
By QBR this is Eli's worst season of the past 4
Although his QBR also shows he’s remarkably consistent (all 4 seasons are between 66-61 QBR). We know what Eli is – good and consistent.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
And whatdya know?
Stafford’s QBR is right in that range too – 65.1 this year.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
QBR is the most worthless stat ever.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 11, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This
I have never used QBR to back up any argument ever
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 11, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever rate stat you use, you get the same story
Eli’s good and consistent. QBR is just another data point, and much better than gross yards (which is the biggest reason people point to when they say Eli had a breakout year).
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
(which is the biggest reason people point to when they say Eli had a breakout year).
Well I dont know what "people "u are referring ,but that’s the last reason Giant fans would point to.
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"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
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WAIT
Now Eli is consistent? That is one of the things I like the least about him is his inconsistency. His ability to disappear for an entire half, his ability to play down to his opponents.
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This is the 1st time Eli has had to preform with no run game
The respect he has gotten this yr( and well earned) is directly due to the results of having the last ranked run game , 29th ranked D and all the 4th Q come backs..
All on his back if u will.
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Giants defense and rush offense were both 20th
unless you use “gross yards” as your yardstick, but that would be like saying the 2011 Packers had the 2nd worst defense in NFL history.
Try an advanced stat like DVOA.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Try an advanced stat like DVOA.
Why would i do that when i watched every milla second of every game?
The Giants run game was ranked 32nd with 89 yds a game. and thats with getting 100 yd plus games the last 4 games of the season .. IT WAS A LOT worse earlier in the yr.. 69 a game avg.
Giants D was 27th in yds aloud , gave up 4.5 yds a rush..
They were also great at giving up the big play..
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Right, and by that logic
the 2011 Packers have the 2nd worst defense of all time.
You guys will put 60 on us, you’re facing the 2nd worst D ever – trust me, I watched every millisecond of every game.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
umm OK
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well im pretty stocked that u just
associated Eli with a pretty good bunch of QBs.
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You were also top 5 or 6 in rushing TDs…maybe it wasn’t as bad as you want us to believe.
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no ,i think ..
averaging 89.2 a game and 3.47 a carry should do it..
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cite me...
What have you seen Eli do to make Cruz look better? This is purely speculation and opinion that can’t be proved…which is maybe why you are running with that as your primary point.
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look up
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Exactly…there is NO proof.
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ok
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Stafford makes Calvin Johnson look better than he is
Sarcasm hopefully?
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by packallday555 on Jan 12, 2012 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Perhaps stated wrongly
Stafford makes Calvin Johnson look better than he would with most other QBs.
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In '62, Green Bay's 7th Championship season, the Packers took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and lost. In '11 they took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and got it right this time.
In '07, the Packers hosted a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and lost. In '11 they host a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and, again, we’re gonna get it right this time!"
Exactly
and other players.
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In '62, Green Bay's 7th Championship season, the Packers took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and lost. In '11 they took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and got it right this time.
In '07, the Packers hosted a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and lost. In '11 they host a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and, again, we’re gonna get it right this time!"
Stafford has ONE great WR and bunch a castoffs and mediocre guys along with a very good TE. The team around Eli is stronger from top to bottom. Who cares where players were drafted.
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by TrevorR on Jan 11, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This
I would rather have a solid #1, #2, #3 than a great #1 & mediocre #2 & #3 (and I think that’s even underselling Nicks)
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by Wiedmann on Jan 11, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nicks is our best WR
no question.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 11, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Tell K Boss and Steve Smith that
Talent is subjective .. players have left Eli and havnt come close to the same success.So says u Eli has more “talent” around him .
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Lol
Take that!
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by bleedblue12 on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
On Momentum
The Giants might have some momentum, but so do the Packers so I see taht as a wash. I do have some nerves about the game but I do about every playoff game. I feel like this is a game we should be able to win though.
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??
Did you read the article? Part of its point is that momentum is essentially meaningless. Teams with a first-round bye are 25-15 in the second round since 2001.
He doesn’t discuss WHY those teams won 63% of the time. Could be home-field advantage or it could be that they’re better teams. Or maybe a combination of those factors, or maybe some other factors.
Like in Baseball..
Momentum is who you have pitching tomorrow. I’m good with Rodgers
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We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
Momentum
An invisible force believed to be garnered upon a person or group of persons due to one or multiple “moment-ary” lapses of another person or group of persons being in or moving as if in an “idling” state of action..
Ex;Websters Dictionary…Smith/Falcons>Garrett/Cowboys etc.
What is interesting
All I see everywhere is why the Giants will be hard for the Packers to beat. I have not yet seen one article on why the Packers should win the game. Since everyone else is going back to the 2007 game, let’s take a look.
In 2007, the Giants rushing game was much better. Secondary was better. D-line was at least as good as it is now. Their passing game was maybe a little worse than what it is today. So what you see is a team that is about the same.
The Packers have a much better passing game with 5 legitimate targets. O-line is better. QB is much better. the importance of which cannot be understated For comparison sake, Favre completed 66.5% of his passes for 4,155 yards, 28 TDs and 15 ints in 2007. Rodgers, on the other hand, completed 68.3 of his passes for 4,643 yards, 46 TDs and 6 ints this season IN 15 GAMES! Defensively, the Packers give up about 100 yards but only 4 more points per game than in 2007. The 2007 defense got 9 more sacks but 10 fewer turnovers.
Let’s also look at two significant stats handicappers use: turnover differential and yards per point.
The Packers were +24 and Giants were +7. Everyone keeps saying that good teams don’t turn it over in the playoffs. Whatever. I saw the Saints turn it over twice and should have turned it over two or three more times. Lions turned it over twice. Besides, getting turnovers is not luck. Good teams create turnovers. So you can’t say good teams won’t have turnovers and in the same breath say good teams will stop creating turnovers in the playoffs. It doesn’t make sense.
Yards per point tells you how hard the offense has to work to get points and how hard the opposing offense has to work to get points against you. The Packers have to gain 11.6 yards to generate one point, whereas the Giants have to gain 15.7 yards for one point. In the Giants win over Atlanta, it took them 18.4 yards to gain one point! On defense, opposing offense have to gain 18.4 yards for one point against the Packers, whereas against the Giants, opposing offenses have to gain 15.1 yards for one point. So that is a +6.8 yard differential for the Packers and +0.6 yard differential for the Giants.
And finally, everyone loves to point out who the Giants did not have due to injury or played but was coming back from injury and thus ineffective – mostly focusing on the Giants D-line. However, seemingly lost in the conversation is that Sitton and Clifton did not play. Sure Newhouse filled in alright but Clifton is a gamer and played his best football in the playoffs last season. Also, Bishop and Hawk did not play. Bishop is more significant than Hawk but Hawk is an experienced vet and does provide leadership. Further, Woodson was out for the most critical portion of the game due to a concussion.
All in all, I am not concerned. The Packers are nearly as healthy as they were at the beginning of September, are playing at home, and simply are a much better team. I am sure there will be trying moments in the game, but I see this one playing out much like the Detroit Thanksgiving game, tight in the first half, take control in the third quarter, and maintain in the fourth. If you recall, the week of Thanksgiving the national media was also pointing out all the reasons the Lions would be tough for the Packers to beat.
by bpatrickJD on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
The reason you haven't seen the article is that no one wants to read it
No one cares about the favorite winning the game and if they do it will be because they’ll just continue being the best team in football, everyone wants to know how an underdog can pull it out.
Regarding 2007, the teams are almost completely different so there is no point comparing and even the game 5 weeks ago, both teams are different on defense and about the same as they were on offense. I give the Giant defense the edge over the Packer defense because of how well they have been playing, but I give Packer offense the edge over the Giant offense because they are just that good. It will come down to which defense can make plays and contain the offense (I can’t say shut down because both offenses are too good to get shut down). All in all it should be a good game and all I want is a close game where the Giants have a shot, if it turns into a blowout, I can’t imagine us being on the right side of it.
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by DavidE on Jan 11, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
all of this ^
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
You don’t see the article because the Packers are the favorites to go all the way. Writing an article about why the Packers should win is like writing an article about why America is great. We all know those reasons.
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Ummm
Writing an article about why the Packers should win is like writing an article about why America is great. We all know those reasons.
Except the Pack are the greatest team in the world… while the US is outside the top 10…
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 11, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Country-wise that is
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 11, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
#1 in my heart, baby!!!
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 11, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
tell that to all the people that keep applying for citizenship here…
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Well no shit we are better off than hundreds of other countries...
We just aren’t top 10.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 11, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Dude…are you trying to make this about stats or something?
It was a dumb blanket statement.
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Haha
Nah, I just don’t like when announcers or people say, “the greatest country in the world”. It irritates me because that sentiment breeds ignorance.
Anyways… back to football.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 12, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
all the people coming here without bothering to apply.
It sure as hell ain’t because the country they’re leaving is better!
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After further review,
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I'd rather be a Bears fan than a Vikings fan
but that doesn’t mean GB isn’t #1
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Giants O
QB 2011
WR 2011
RB 2007
TE =
Giants D
DL =
LB =
CB 2011
S 2011
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Packers O
QB 2011
WR 2011
RB 2007
TE 2011
Packers D
DL =
LB 2011
CB 2011
S 2011
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It was never a debate to as which GB team is better..
15-1>13-3 say’s it all.
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The Dline is = ?
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I would say so
It’s tough to compare 4-3 DL to a 3-4 DL (the same could be said of LBs). Lets just say this:
Front 7: 2011
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lol!
Yards per point
The Giants will more then likely be ok with a long field as long as their moving the ball. And they will be very happy if their 15.7 yards spikes to 18 n up..
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Has alot to do with special teams
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Tanier = good
The Tanier article is really good. He expertly dissects popular, baseless myths that are endlessly repeated by less-educated sports fans (which admittedly is most of them). Good stuff, thanks.
by Starquest on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I loved the article
Then again, I’m a football outsiders, fangraphs for baseball sort of guy
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
OK it's a full on "Bromance"!
This guy Tanier is great! In the first paragraph he goes after the number one myth I hate hearing coaches, journalists and fans make, namely “we need to establish the run”…. read the whole article as he goes after other myths
Even Tom Silverstein of the WJS said that in this game vs the Giants, McCarthy will probably want to establish the run more than usual….Hello? How about forcing the Giants to “establish the pass defense” against our unstoppable four and five wide sets? That’s what I want to see, I want to see a Blackmon covering Jones or Randall Cobb from the getgo. Or Prince on Jordy … or see boley take on Finley again :)
And Giants fans, quit harkening back to the 2007 Packers. This team has won 13 in a row at home by an average of 16 points. Our level of offensive AND defensive talent is WAAAAY better now than in 2007. It’s not even close. And that inferior 2007 team was only an overtime away from the Superbowl.
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
antrel rolle playes corner against 4 and 5 wr sets
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 11, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
YESSSS! that's even better!
I remember when Rodgers destroyed Antrel Rolle in the 2009 playoff game against the Cardinals
here is what Antrel Rolle said after that game:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/11/rolle-wants-no-part-of-aaron-rodgers-again/
Having nightmares Antrel?
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 11, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I keep seeing Packer fans
talk about Giant fans “harkening back” to the two teams and game from 2007.
It must be somewhere other than BBV cause I’m all over that thing and I see ZERO POINT ZERO (just like Mr. Blutarsky’s GPA) importance placed on a game from 4 years ago. And if it’s on Facebook or Yahoo or somewhere that isn’t BBV it’s worthless IMO.
I’m tired of reading how Giant fans need to forget 2007. Nobody is bringing it up so how about the Packer fans stop projecting.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
They brought it up
Not in this thread, but the Ask a Giants Fan II thread.
Establish the run...
ya I love that one too. McCarthy even said before the superbowl that the team would run the ball only enough to make the opponent respect it.
The Packers aren’t going to change what they do
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
Giant fans don't harken back to the '07 pack
The media does.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 11, 2012 12:54 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
First of all
It’s “the media do” — the word “media” is plural.
Secondly, first comment on your 2nd-to-most recent article… (the ed valentine article)
Comment: If it happened before {giants beating the packers in 2007}
then we know it can happen and that increases the odds that it will. <—- increases the odds! the giants fan says…
Followed by 3 commenters responding that’s “logical” etc etc. Various comments throughout the piece. And on and on in talk radio shows i’ve listened to. Yada yada.
So it’s not just “the media”
Only bring that up because when packer fans bring up Giants’ 9-7 reg season record, Giants fans retort “Oh it’s a new season”… So that’s where the cognitive dissonance kicks in…
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
No kidding!
You got to bring your big boy grammar to this blog!
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 11, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Check your usage notes
“Usage note:
Media, like data, is the plural form of a word borrowed directly from Latin. The singular, medium, early developed the meaning "an intervening agency, means, or instrument" and was first applied to newspapers two centuries ago. In the 1920s media began to appear as a singular collective noun, sometimes with the plural medias. This singular use is now common in the fields of mass communication and advertising, but it is not frequently found outside them: The media is (or are ) not antibusiness.”
Can go either way, your mileage may vary.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
media when used as a plural for medium is plural.
When used in reference to news sources, its not as cut and dry as you try to say here. It can be used singular or plural. if you are going to be a grammar Nazi at least make sure you are 100% right.
Here is one of many sources that talk about this:
http://styleguide.yahoo.com/ask/style/social-media-singular-or-plural
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Firstly, read what your boy's below responded with
Secondly, say out loud “The media do,” as a sentence…does that sound right to you? so yeah, as the two posters said below, check your facts before you get your grammar police on.
btw, it’s an internet sports blog, not the Wall Street Journal. I can use AP style when necessary.
And yes, you do get the occasional person repeating what they’ve heard on 24 hour sports talk radio, or the hour and half local talking heads block on TV in NY, but my point was the majority of us aren’t foolish enough to believe that Brett Favre = Aaron Rodgers, and that 2007=2011. i should have made that clear, so my bad. but most of us know that this is a whole new ballgame, with a whole new threat(AR), and a whole new D philosophy(Spags vs. Fewell) and damn near new rosters on each side. that’s all there is to it.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
also in the future
blockquotes make quotes easier to read…..:)
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
UH. Guess I should have kept reading.
I just wrote the same thing. :-)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
The Seahawks came in with momentum 4 years ago
took a 14-0 lead on Ryan Grant fumbles. Yet still wound up losing.
best game ever
, that I have attended.
Was perfect day at Lambeau.
Gopher football season ticket holder
shut up.
I want a snow day at TCF Bank Stadium like that game had sooooooooooooooooo bad.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
Here's momentum for you...
“Rodgers, who was the MVP of Super Bowl XLV, is one of the top postseason quarterbacks in NFL history, ranking first all-time in passer rating (112.6), completion percentage (67.8 percent) and yards per pass attempt (8.72).”
Source: http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2012/1/11/2696615/divisional-playoffs-preview-baltimore-ravens
Go Pack Go!
by LombardiBackToGB on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 AM CST reply actions
no, eli is better
I read it on bigblueview
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Stop it
Ya did not, and if so it was done in jest.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 11, 2012 12:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
no, that was not jest
the best someone came up with was to “respectfully disagree”, as if it were really a matter of interpretation
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 11, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
must see quotes
or at least the posters name….if it was one of our regs, there’s no way they would say that without jest in there somewhere. we are a bright bunch – we know AR is better than Eli.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Well it's under 3 reasons why the Giants will win
but it doesn’t really matter anyway. We shall see who is better Sunday!
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 11, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
where have you been
wilddre, you usually post quite a bit (or at least the last 2 times we’ve played you) and I think you and wil are 2 of the better opposing posters we get
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
thanks and what's up uof
i’ve been around more or less, i get burned out sometimes repeating myself on blogs, or what 15 other people basically said before me. i love Will’s ‘ask a giant fan’ segments tho, he’s the king at that stuff.
question – what happened at the KC game? was it a sluggish day for AR and crew, or did Crennel draw up that good a game plan to stop your attack? because i was listening to one of your broadcasters being interviewed on our local station, and he said it was basic man to man coverage, with safeties over the top. that seems simplistic, and i don’t think AR can be stopped so easy. can you provide any insight to that? because whatever it is, i hope my DC has studied that tape inside and out! hehehe
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
If your DC can gameplan for our receivers to drop 5 or 6 balls that hit them in their hands
then yeah, Rodgers is stoppable. Also if you break our backup right tackle’s leg after the starting RT went out with an injury, you can get some pass rush.
That’s basically what happened in the Chiefs game.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
KC did what everyone has done
except they actually executed it.
On offense they rushed 4 men and with the combination of having a solid pass rush and the misfortune for us of having lost 2 OTs that game, they pretty much blew up our line. This allowed them to drop 7 into coverage and with that many people in coverage and no time for the receivers to run their routes, well it’s not hard to see what happens. Rodgers really wasn’t bad at all, he wasn’t his usual greatness, but he was definitely playing better than his stats suggest. I think we had 5 dropped balls that killed drives (so help me God if Finley drops another easy catch this week) and 2 huge PI calls on Jordy, 1 of which he caught the ball and him and the defender never touched so I’m not entirely sure how they called that offensive PI. Just a bad day on offense.
On defense, they pretty much took it to us. We were fairly solid on first and second down and never gave up the big play, but we couldn’t get a third down stop outside of the redzone to save our lives. If it wasn’t for our stout red zone defense, that game would have been a blowout. They ran the ball and used the flats very well to control the clock.
It’s literally the exact same game plan almost every team has deployed, the Chiefs just executed it.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
clarification
on offense, actually mean while the Packers were on offense and on defense means when the Packers were on defense
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
FTFY
On defense, they pretty muchtook it to us.did what they always do, except not force a turnover.
13.
Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!
STOP FIXING THINGS FOR ME!
but it’s true
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
So rushing the front four with success is the key?
if so, that could play into our strength, which is obviously our front 4. depending on the rust that your 2 guys bulaga and clifton have, i think that may come into play with the success we’re able to have against you guys early. i don’t think blitzing is the key, as AR eats that up, and if our DC reverts back to a heavy zone this week, he’ll be lynched upon returning to the Jersey/NY area. altho surprisingly, i thought we had some success in rushing 3 against AR, except his escapability still made it difficult, especially on that go ahead TD in the redzone to Driver(i think). so if we can replicate KC’s physical play, we may have a chance….good to know thanks mike.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Had to pop over to BBV
Don’t waste your effort. You’d think they were 10 point favorites. Same old homerism that you’ll see on most sites. Nothing more or nothing less than you’d normally expect. Not much intelligent talk. Typical baiting trying to get ONE, at least one, APC member to jump in but to no avail. Appreciate the respect we have for our opposing fan bases on their home sites.
This is the best football we've played all year
I know that Green Bay has been playing at a high level all year, but we just started and would like to see it continue.
As far as intelligence, we can’t go by stats because statistically Green Bay is the better team, so what would you like us to say, “We are going to get killed on Sunday”? No, we are all pretty much saying the same thing…we have to play great defense, control the clock and put up 7s instead of 3s. We are speculating as to what needs to happen in order for us to win, no one is guaranteeing it (with the exception of JPP who digressed once the emotional high of the win last week subsided).
We don’t bait, we express our opinions. Opinions are just that…fact based, but with bias thrown in. Maybe you should have some respect for those same fan bases on your own site before banging your own drum about it.
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Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
Excellent post and totally agree...
I think as fans, we are all biased towards our teams. As gameday approaches, anxiety builds and we take refuge in stats, past performances, speculation, etc. to convince ourself of our team’s victory.
This is the post season and no team can be taken lightly. We know the GB team will be distracted this week due to the tragic circumstances, not just around Coach Philbin’s son but some of the players as well. I am just hoping they come out sharp and its a good game.
by LombardiBackToGB on Jan 11, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, forgot to use my sarcasm font
If you’d read your own site, you’d realize that you have some 2-faced fans who like to innocently post here and then go over to BBV and comment on the intelligence of our posts. Nice to know you feel the same way I did, when I read it on BBV. Was hoping I would get a response from one or two of the Giants fans who like to do this. Sorry to offend those, like yourself, who do post intelligently and don’t turn around and bash us in front of their own fan base.
Every fanbase has its yahoos
We’d appreciate you not bashing the whole site because of them. Most of us have ultimate respect for your team and the franchise as a whole.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 11, 2012 12:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Agree, including our fanbase
Not meant as a generalization to everyone. I respect the franchises that have a sense of history like the Giants and Packers. Most people these days like to pretend that pro football started with SB I. Giants and Packers fans know that many more NFL titles were won before SB I, unlike Steelers fans. They like to ignore their 40+ year streak without a title before they won a SB.
by Icebowler on Jan 11, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That is a HUGE pet peeve for me.
We both have a boatload of championships to go along with Superbowls. You have 13 total, we have 9 or something like that. People like to believe they don’t count, but they did happen and they are a very real part of the history of football. To disregard that is simple ignorance.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 11, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
true that
but shhhh! don’t tell Eagles fans that they count. i like to let them think that they don’t matter….makes it sooo much more fun! hehehe!
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Eagles only have three.
No matter how you look at it, they’re last in the NFC East.
13.
Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!
And they have the inferiority complex that goes with it.
Like the Viqueens, maybe?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
On the whole.
There are normal/cool ones, of course, but their voice is alot smaller than the knuckleheads
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
I stand corrected, my bad haha
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 11, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
One of mine, too.
And, never more so than when it comes from Steelers fans touting their six Super Bowl wins, since they were right there competing for most of those other championships won by the Pack and the Giants (and the Bears, for that matter), but never won so much as a division championship before 1972.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
I appreciate that
Sorry, I took it so offensively…I’m used to dealing with Cowboy and Eagle fans ;)
The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
No prob...
we’ve had some great discussions this week and look forward to more. Had to laugh at your Cowboys/ Eagles comment. We say the same thing about the Vikings and Lions.
we have won 21 of our last 22 games
We have all the mass x velocity that we need.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 11, 2012 12:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
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