Washington Post: My First Preview of the Giants At The Packers
by Brandon on Jan 11, 2012 5:00 PM CST
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Giants vs. Packers: Can New York pull the upset? - The League - The Washington Post. In my latest post at The League, I compared the 2010 Green Bay Packers to the 2011 New York Giants. In each season, they were the last teams in the NFC to secure a playoff spot. The Packers went onto win three straight playoff road games. The Giants have won their first playoff game at home, but now have to win on the road. There are some similarities, but these are two very different teams.
While the 2010 Packers led the NFC in scoring margin at +148 (which proved they were better than their 10-6 record) the 2011 Giants were outscored by their opponents during the regular season by 6 points (which proved they were closer to an 8-8 team than 9-7). In 2011, the Packers scoring margin was even better +201, and they were also much better at Lambeau where they scored on average 40 points per game.
NFL Playoffs: Packers, Saints On Upset Watch In Divisional Round - SBNation.com. So when I read upset alerts that think the Giants can win at Lambeau, I can't believe it. The Packers defense has had problems throughout the year, and the Giants offense should present a challenge, but the Packers offense has rolled over every opponent they've faced. The offense only struggled against the Chiefs, but that looks like a one game fluke. In their two home games following that loss, they scored 80 points against the Bears and Lions. And those are two very good defensive teams.
You can never look past any opponent, especially in the playoffs, but there's no reason that the Packers should be extremely confident this Sunday.
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It all goes back to that article that you link earlier
“OMG momentum!!!!!”
Stupid. Giants are a good team. We are a better one. This should e a good game but we should win. Go Pack Go
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 11, 2012 5:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm actually getting sick of the national coverage this week of this game
It seems like two out of every three analysts, show hosts, writers, etc., are picking the Giants to win. I expected some people to pick the upset, but the talk has been so constant that you would think the Giants are favored in this game.
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by -JP- on Jan 11, 2012 5:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
actually
They are talking more Broncos vs Pats than anything else. I also find it so rude that some folks are so disrepectful saying that your team is better. now im not saying the giants are the better team however both these teams are very capable of winning Sunday but for some who have pisted to say its going to be a blowout is just absurd. I believe this game will be close and come down to the 4th qtr and whichever team plays a better 4th will win SO PLEASE STOP with the blowout talk and that one team is better than the other instead have a friendly convo about the game
by g-men_fan on Jan 11, 2012 7:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just a nice reminder.
The Packers do have a 15-1 record… Best in the NFL, that gives us the right to say, at least for now, that we are the best team. Giants have a formidable team as well and it will be a challenge to beat them, especially since they are playing their best ball of the season recently. Sorry you don’t like to hear it, but we did earn the right to say that by winning SB 45 and by our 15-1 record!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
by Strohman on Jan 11, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
seriously
The right to talk to down to other teams? yes yoy had the best record in the reg season but lets look at what teams you actually beat to gwt your 15-1 record. Yea you beat us and had the refs not been on your side who knows. you beat a lions team twice really the lions twice not really much to speak on since they beat 1 playoff team in the broncos with whom u beat as well you also beat an Atlanta team and last your win agaisnt NO which by no means is easy however u got them week 1. btw not for nothing detroits only win agaisnt a winning team was Denver. now take the fact the giants had the tuffeat schedule in the reg season and the fact we are where we are speaks volumes not to mention your QB hasnt really played in 3 weeks and your best WR hasnt played in 3 weeks as well. tells me your a lil rusty. not saying we will win however i think we for sure have a better chance than anyone else in the NFC n
by g-men_fan on Jan 11, 2012 8:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Huh? He didn't say anything about talking down to anyone.
He said that we get to say we’re the best team in the league right now, which is true. That’s not talking down. Our record says 15-1. Can any other team say that? If you feel that’s talking down to you, it must be hard to even give you a compliment of any kind. Not too many people are saying it’s going to be an easy game for GB, and the ones who are, are kinda deluding themselves.
Even if our best QB hasn’t played in 3 weeks, we still have a backup who’s not too shabby either. Our #1 WR was out, but then our #2 stepped up and took over. The Lions still had a better record than you. The whole “he’s gonna be rusty” thing is overrated. They still practice. The W-L ratio of the #1 seed in the divisional round is
GB beat the Bears (playoff team last year, missed out this year because of losing starting QB and RB), Falcons (playoff team last year and this year), NO (who we “beat in week 1” is a stupid argument because we had the same amount of TC time as them, virtually none), Broncos (playoff team), Lions (playoff team), the Giants (playoff team) and another team or two that just missed out on the playoffs.
The Giants are 9-7 and the next best teams were both 8-8. So, the opponents record GB:80-96, NY 96-80. Out of the (6) above .500 teams that NY played, they beat 3( Phi x1, Ari, NE). Of the (6) above .500 teams that GB played, they beat all 6 (Det x2, Chi x2, NO, Den, Atl, and NYG). How many current playoff teams did the Giants beat in the regular season? 1 . How many current playoff teams did GB beat in the regular season? 5. The only team that GB didn’t play in this year’s NFC playoff bracket was SF.
Don’t forget that up until losing to KC that GB was on a 20 game winning streak, dating back to beating the NYG in last season to get into the playoffs.
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I screwed up a stat there. My bad.
NY beat 4 above .500 teams. Include the Cowboys x2. However, they still only beat 1 team in this year’s playoff bracket in the regular season.
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Our dominant regular season record kinda makes helps make our opponents winning percentage look a lot worse than maybe it shoud
If we has NY record 9-7 our oppnents record would be 86-90 if NY had our 15-1 record their opponents record would be 90-86 not nearly the difference
It wouldn't quite be that
The Giants did play three 13-3 teams and one 15-1 team. we played 0ne 13-3 team, but yeah, you could skew the numbers quite a bit with our records being swapped.
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
And who did the Giants beat?
NE. That’s it, one playoff team. You say NY had a tougher schedule, yet the NFC North was better than the NFC East, the NFC South was tougher than the NFC West, and the AFC East had two more wins than the AFC West. Not to mention, if you take out their head to head match-up, GB had a tougher strength of schedule than the Giants.
We’re not talking down to anyone. The Pack’s record speaks for itself and all Packer fans should be confident that they will win. If you come here expecting us to say the Giants are going to win on Sunday, you may want to check your URL because you’re on the wrong site.
I’ll have no problem congratulating Giant fans if they win on Sunday, but sorry to burst your bubble, they won’t win because they are the better overall team.
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by Bezerkers on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This is rediculous. For one, Noone is calling a blowout, we are saying our team will win, which Giants fans have defended how most fans expect thier team to win because that's what fans do
We have only mentioned frustration being the chic upset pick. Rodgers hasn’t played in 2 weeks and Jennings in 4 not three and three and neither in that small gap of time is no longer in shape or forgot how to play football. You play the disrespect card while disrespecting everyone. For one, discounting the Packers win against you because of a couple favorable calls is disrespectful ignorant crap. You guys played the best you had all season and lost, at home. You didn’t have every bounce and call go your way so apparently the Packers are nothing is the dumbest most disrespectful thing you could say, far more disrespectful than expecting a blowout as you claim. And you tout you schedule as so tough, for one that is suggesting the Packers schedule was a cupcake schedule which is disrespectful to the Pcakers and who they played. Secondly, the Packers are part of exactly why your schedule is tough, without us your schedule has a below .500 record at 118-122 Mr. “Toughest Schedule”. Thirdly your schedule is propped up on a the four teams with the best records in the NFL, whom were the only four teams that you played that we’re over .500 or made the playoffs, the Giants lost all four games. The Packers played four winning teams who made the playoffs (one twice) and won all five games. But it doesn’t matter that a tough schedule should be used to show that your better than your record. Nope, beating winning teams doesn’t matter as long as your schedule is “tougher”. The Packers are a great team that should win and the Giants are a good team that should win but is being picked for the upset annoyingly too often. Your argument is ignorant, hypocritical, whiny crap
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Beat none=beat one. I forgot that you beat New England, sorry
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 11, 2012 10:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
New England: 0-2 against teams with winning records
plus a loss to the 6-10 Bills.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
first off
You must not have paying attention to anything i said and yes there have been many packers fans on this talking blowout. what i was saying is that some of you guys are talking alot like you team is not beatable when clearly you are. Now my bro in law is a die hard packers fan has been for all his life and i have shown him some of the comments here on this site and he agrees some of them are way off base ignorant and just down right disrespectful. now that i cleared that up imma go bk to bbv where we can have logical talk with the name calling
by g-men_fan on Jan 12, 2012 7:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
byeeeeeee
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by Tedaldtada29 on Jan 12, 2012 7:20 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
such
ignorance you would think a team with such class would have fans with the same class instead of having a chat about the game and giving points as to why you believe that some of you just wanna be smug.
FFS, I really have to do that?
For one “I also find it so rude that some folks are so disrepectful saying that your team is better. now im not saying the giants are the better team however both these teams are very capable of winning Sunday but for some who have pisted to say its going to be a blowout is just absurd” is a direct quote saying that you did think people are claiming the Packers will blow out the Giants. So yes I did listen. Also in the quote is where your disrespect argument starts because we say the Packers are a better team. I’m sorry, thinking a defending superbowl champion team that finished 6 games ahead of yours in the conference is a better team is not disrespectful. Then Strohman who is normally the most brash person in the world to people who disagree with him kindly and respectfully explained the SW thing to you and either pointing this out or the fact that some people feel confident that our better team who is at home, beat yours on the road, and is favored will beat your team (and at BBV there are plenty of posters confident the Giants will win, as they should be, the Giants are good and it’s thier team) is somehow talking down to people and you went off insinuating (I have no idea how to spell that word) that your team is just as good and the Packers were propped with a weak schedule because the Packers who played as many playoff teams as you and beat them all, on twice and outside of those playoff teams only had one loss aren’t good enough to better than 9-7 with your schedule and The Giants who were 1-3 vs playoff teams and only beat on that hasn’t beaten a team with a winning record all year, and have four losses to .500 or below teams. You are delusional and disrespectful, because begin talking downto you when you all for it with angry, loud, delusion, ignorant arguments and fire off angrily at the sensible rebuttals. And FYI the packers have and over 200 point differential and you have -6 and the Paxkers are undefeated at home, how dare we think we are a better team the will win!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 12, 2012 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And other Giants fans don't worry, I know your not all this guy
And I’m sorry I have to brashly point out your teams flaws just because of this guy. The Giants are a very good team
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 12, 2012 8:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Ok so first
OFF there have been plenty of SO CALLED Packers fans on these boards saying the Pack will win 41-17 or even worst. Yes the Giants have a record of 1-3 vs Playoff teams this year and the Packers have won all of theirs. No one is arguing that and i never said anything about not believing in your team or even thinking they will win. I never said that what i said was i was sick of seeing folks saying blowout. Which there have been numerous posts on that. I think you have mistaken what my intentions were/are.
(And other Giants fans don’t worry, I know your not all this guy And I’m sorry I have to brashly point out your teams flaws just because of this guy. The Giants are a very good team)
As to this First off what flaws have you really pointed out? Regular season is not an issue here no more. What you guys did in the Regular season is Great and it has gotten you to this point i applaud the team for doing what they have done. BUT this is the Playoffs and is a new season and right now our Point differental is +22.
Also
for the Record i do respect the Packers. And i also follow them closely as my Bro in Law comes over all the time and we watch them since thats his Favorite team. They have so much talent on both sides of the ball and will be very Tuff to beat on Sunday especially with them being Home. So i dont want anyone thinking that I believe the Packers suck or anything like that I was just simply voicing my Opinion that some folks on these boards are claiming blowout
Also if you want to go regular season means nothing
last game for you means nothing because GB didn’t have to play. Right now you’re 0-0. Last week was just a continuation of the regular season. Point differential is 0. There. We’re on even terms.
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't mean flaws, I used the wrong word
I meant negative underlying aspects of your teams record I suppose, I can’t think f a good word for it. What I meant to say is that I dot want to look like I’m just bashing on your team. Also the regular season is over, the doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, it still shows the Packers are a better team and that they should e favored. Seriously too this was all in response to a Packers fan worrying that it was annoyingly obvious that sportswriters think the 2011 Packers vs 2011 Giants = 2007 Packers vs 2007 Giants which is blatantly untrue. If you are going to complain about a blowout prediction Atleast do it replying to a post with a blowout prediction. Also you are on the Packers site. I’m not hopping over to BBV saying that anyone picking the Guants at all or picking them by more than a TD or whatever is disrespectful.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Why does it bother you so much if people are predicting a blowout?
I’ve seen a few Giant fans posting that they can win because Eli has already won in Lambeau, yet the last time he played there they lost 45-17. Now I would consider that a blow-out so I don’t see how you feel disrespected because somebody has confidence that the Packers could do it again.
You’re starting to sound like Vikings fans were before the Monday night game. They were appalled that nobody here was giving the Vikings any chance even though the teams played a close game in Minnesota. And yet the result was a complete dismantling of the Vikings in front of a national audience.
Personally, I don’t think it’ll be blow-out, but it wouldn’t surprise me if GB wins by 10. I also wouldn’t be surprised if GB loses the game either. There are too many variables to be able to predict any game.
Oh and btw, you can disregard the regular season all you want, but that’s the reason this game is in Green Bay and not New York.
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by Bezerkers on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not even going to dignify the rrest of your complaining with a response but
Are you kidding me with this?
plenty of SO CALLED Packers fans on these boards
What the hell qualifies you to question anyone’s fandom?
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Badgers: Chin up, boys.
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by Tepo6688 on Jan 12, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
c'mon dude
when did NY fans become so delicate and sensitive. Un-bunch your pink panties and realize that you are a guest on a Packers site. We did win SBXLV, have a 15-1 record, are the number 1 seed, have home filed through-out, and had a 20 game winning streak,
And therefore earn the right to stick out our collective chests and do a bit of smack talking.
One of the top net points records, tops in turn overs. Yeah our defense is rated low, but does this stat really blemish our record? Last year our #1 defense got us a Lombardi, this year our #1 offense will do the same.
by Farveuless Pack on Jan 12, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Points to Both Teams Fans
I would like to point out to both Giants Fans and Packers Fans some points:
Points to Giants Fans
1. Packer are Defending Super Bowl Champs and Deserve Respect for that;
2. The Packer Offences had Great Season;
3. Officially the Pack Won the Game against the Giants
Points to Packer Fans
1. The Giants Offences outscored your Offences last Game;
2. Like the Packers of 2010 the Giants lead the League in IR Players;
3. Officially the NFL stated the Officials denied the Giants a Touchdown that they should not have in last game. That is 4 more points. This means the true amount of points scored was Giants 39 Packers 38.
The no one has any room to talk, play the game and see what the outcome is.
Points to Giants fans
1. The Packers defense outscored your defense last Game
2. A high number of players on IR is a bad thing. The 2010 Packers won in spite of it, not because of it.
3. If you think the Packers couldn’t have scored a TD on that last drive if they had to, you obviously didn’t watch that drive.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 12, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I am here.
The beacon was sent out!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 12, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Do you have a light signal?
Instead of the Bat Signal, it’s the BLAS Signal!
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 12, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Indeed.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 12, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, the NFL never said that
but cool beans
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Point to you
learn how to spell
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 12, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
[Citation Needed]
Officially the NFL stated the Officials denied the Giants a Touchdown
Ref? Link? Anything?
by DaveInTucson on Jan 12, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
it never happened, he was talking anally. (literally)
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Hehe
I can have fun with lies too.
Re point 3:
Officially the NFL stated the Officials denied the Giants a Touchdown that they should not have in last game. That is 4 more points. This means the true amount of points scored was Giants 39 Packers 38.
I would point out that the NFL officially stated that there was a hold on Raji on that two point play as well. Therefore, the score is Packers 38, Giants 37. If you want to lie, then I can lie too (BTW there was a hold on Raji that play).
by Shoes31 on Jan 12, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Petrus, Raji, and the holding hold that ever got held
by DaveInTucson on Jan 12, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Although, because holding isn't a loss-of-down penalty,
I think the Giants would’ve had the opportunity of a do-over from the 12 (similar to the Eagles 2-point try in the 2010 wildcard game)
by DaveInTucson on Jan 12, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
It would have been a do over from the 12.
The NFL did make a statement about the picture that FOX released, and that statement was that pictures are not looked at in replay situations. Probably due to the post processing that the picture takes, as well as giving you no real useful info. The video angles give you way more information.
And the NFL would never issue a statement along the lines of that the officials were wrong and cost your team 4 points. They would never throw their refs under the bus like that.
LOL…dude. You lost the game. He was out of bounds. Multiple angles show him out, ONE shows him in and here you are talking like its the only angle. That score, if it were to have happened, would have changed how the game was played as well afterward and clearly the Packers would have scored a TD on their last drive instead of a FG.
Packers 42 Giants 39
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
You lost to the Redskins and Seahawks
Wanna keep talking about who we beat?
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 12, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
We didn't beat anyone
the refs did
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by Wiedmann on Jan 12, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Touche :)
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
correction
I think in that last sentence should say *shouldn’t
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
There's a watch that gets upset?
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
They're usually Timex brand watches
Though every now and then an old Casio has some pains.
I've got a Timex I wear for work
Does that mean I better watch out next time I get hydraulic oil on it?
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Just be sure to clean it gently
Touching it wrong might upset it further.
I'll have to buy it roses and take it to dinner afterwards I guess
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
don;t give it a lickin'
hard to get that taste out.
by Farveuless Pack on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
It's why I don't wear watches anymore
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 11, 2012 8:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did someone say Casio?
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Comparing
the 11 Gnats to the 10 Packers is absurd. The 10 Packers were coming off of two close losses both due in no small part to having their best weapon on the sidelines. The Packers then walloped the Gnats on Rodgers return and held off the NFC North winning Bears to make the playoffs. The Gnats beat the fading Biplanes, Cowgirls and Forksinem. The Gnats will test the pack but the pack will be at full strength sans Collins. Rodgers will be tested but in no way any worse than he has been by other teams with a front four that can bring pressure. That and MM will outcoach Coughlin.
by glblank on Jan 11, 2012 6:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Gnats? Really?
Cowgirls and Forksinem? Even if you meant Cowboys, and Forksinem…I have no clue what you are referring to with Forksinem and how that would be an insult.
With name-calling, you’re insulting at a 4th grade level! Congrats! But what’s the point? Why even post drivel such as this?
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Jan 11, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Verbal rec for you...
Pointless post is pointless.
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With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 11, 2012 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes! Preach it brother!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
VERY well put.
Why even post drivel such as this?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
I predict the Packers win 201 to nothing...
The Giants D line all comes down with the flu and doesn’t show up, Tom Coughlin retires immediatley after the game, and CMIII rips Eli’s still beating heart out of his chest in the 4th quarter ala Temple of Doom…..
Now THAT kind of post would be reeking of extreme overconfidence, the kind Giants fans are whining about supposedly seeing here on APC. Damn, Sunday can’t get here friggin’ quick enough!
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Jan 11, 2012 7:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
interesting point
I didn’t know that the Giants were outscored by 6 points this season… ridiculous. Even a 4-12 Packer team can out score their opponents, well, at least for 13 weeks or so
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
Lol, truth
52-3 bitches!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
When we were 6-10 in '08
we outscored our opponents – lots of blowouts and really close losses.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 11, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
and what I was referencing was ’05 when until we lost on MNF by 45 to the Ravens in week 14 we were something like 2-10 but still scored more points than our opponents
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
It is a sad stat
and yet despite that we still made the playoffs. Good coaching and strong-willed team. We had some serious issues on both sides of the ball this year. Big shakeup on Oline that is just now starting to play better together. Defense it was one injury after another and our DC refusing to use his talent as it was meant to be used or unable to because of the numerous injuries. All I know is that the Giants finally seem to be playing the way we all thought they were capable of playing. And so far in the playoffs we have a +22 point differential. Not saying the Pack should be shaking in their cleats cause you all have a great team. But to not take the Giants seriously based on their earlier season struggles would be a mistake. They showed they can give GB all they can handle and they are playing better now and are healthier now than they were in the previous game. I have a lot of confidence in this team to pull off the upset. Hopefully it’ll be a great game and may the best team win.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of your DC
I was over at Silver And Black Pride after the Raiders hired Reggie McKenzie as their GM the other day, and one guy was saying that he wanted them to hire Perry Fewell as their HC.
I told him that my impression, from imposing myself as a guest on BBV quite a bit, was that the general consensus over there is that you guys would be happy to let them have Fewell, and would probably laugh at the idea of him as a head coach.
As I said, my impression from my visits to BBV.
How far off the mark am I?
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"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
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I think
numerous fans in NY were ready to ship PF out of town. He has been our DC now for 2 years and we were still seeing a ton of confusion, miscommunication and coverage breakdowns late into this season. A lot of that could be due to the multiple injuries and rookies playing at LB. But as a coach, I think you have to adapt your methods to what players you have, not the other way around. PF seemed unable or unwilling to do that. This late season surge by the D has probably saved his job, but I’m willing to bet most people would still rather see him go as long as we could lure Spagnuolo back as our DC. I don’t think PF would make a great HC honestly. He was interim in Buffalo and they didn’t want to keep him. But you never know. So you are not off the mark at all.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 15, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention....
the mis-use of his formidable D-line. Too many 3 man rushes, with JPP at NT. He also seems to have no creativity. He can’t design or disguise a blitz to save his life. His idea of blitzing is just walking 1 or 2 LBs up to the line of scrimage. The opposing QB has no chance to figure out where the blitz is coming from (I say with heavy sarcasm).
by NYStateofMind on Jan 15, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Best of luck to Fewell if he does get that chance
I’m not sure he’d be an upgrade to Hue Jackson, but maybe he’s make the most of it. I wouldn’t say I’d laugh at the idea. I don’t think he’s completely incompetant like his predecessor Bill Sheridan (who was run out of town after on season of the worst defensive football the NY Giants organization has ever endured).
by NYStateofMind on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
This just in
the snow storm that is coming through the GB area will delay the Giants arrival until noon on Sunday. I bet someone will blame that on the refs as well………..
It's a conspiracy! The NFL wants the Packers to win!
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
wait...
since when are we playing the raiders??
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 11, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Well we do have Chuck
and he was the Raider who made a pivotal non-play….I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Another little fun fact
In the past 30 years, the #1 seed has lost in the Div Round only 4 times. 1980 (Atl lost to Dal), 1987, (49ers lost to Min), 2007 (Dal lost to NYG), 2008 (NYG lost to Phi)
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions
Um, 2010?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, my bad
Damn, I’m losing it tonight. I was actually watching that game when I wrote that. Damn the obvious! lol
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Presume you are restricting to NFC teams?
Because there’s a bunch of AFC #1 seeds that were 1-done, most recently the Pats last year.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
yep, just NFC.
I’ll do a little more research and see what I can find for the AFC
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Full list right here
1975: Vikings lost to Cowboys (this was the original “Hail Mary” game)
1979: Chargers lost to Oilers, Cowboys lost to Rams
1980: Falcons lost to Cowboys
1985: Raiders lost to Patriots
1987: 49ers lost to Vikings
1992: Steelers lost to Bills
1995: Chiefs lost to Colts
1996: Broncos lost to Jaguars
1997: Chiefs lost to Broncos
2000: Titans lost to Ravens
2005: Colts lost to Steelers
2006: Chargers lost to Patriots
2007: Cowboys lost to Giants
2008: Titans lost to Ravens (again)
2010: Falcons lost to Packers, Patriots lost to Jets
Marty Schottenheimer is the king of this
by DaveInTucson on Jan 11, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Nice
That simplifies it quite a bit from what I was gonna do. I was going scores and seeds, but I like what you did.
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 11, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Nice work
to both of you. Always interesting to look back at the epic playoff upsets. For as good as Marty was in the regular season, he sure had some devastating playoff failures with the Chiefs and Chargers.
and Browns
(just not in the Divisional Round, haha).
Referring to ‘The Drive’ and ‘The Fumble’, of course.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Yes, 'The Fumble'
What was it, the 1 or 2 yard line going in with 1 defender to beat? You gotta believe the guy was cursed after you watch that play.
and even this stat is a bit misleading
If you keep in mind there are two #1 seeds. AFC and NFC
by Farveuless Pack on Jan 12, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
That list he did was all #1 seed losses in the Div Round since 1975
Both NFC and AFC included in there.
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
understood,
But my point was there are two number one seeds each year, so only one in any given year means the other number one went at least as far as the conference game.
by Farveuless Pack on Jan 12, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
I understand that, but that wasn't the basis of this stat
This is moreso that the Giants fans want to talk about us losing this round and saying that we have a better chance of losing because of our first round bye, Rodgers not having played since week 15, etc. So it applies to this round only.
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 12, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
So what this list tells me...
is that in 5 of the past 6 years, at least one #1 seed has lost in the divisional round… or am I missing something? Seems to be a bit of a trend doesn’t it?
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
That means the Patriots are gonna lose.
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by TXPackerBacker on Jan 13, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
2008 NYG-Philadelphia was also the first 23-11 final score ever.
Seriously.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 12, 2012 3:49 AM CST up reply actions
TD, FG and safety? Or 3 FG's and a safety?
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 12, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't add up to 23.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
It adds up to 11
But only if there was no XP on the TD.
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probably went for two to cut the lead down to ten or seven, depending on the score at the time
or maybe to tie
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Sorry. No sarcasm font in subject line
so, had to make it subtle. :)
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Damn sarcasm detector is on the blink again...
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In Cheese We Trust
Is my clock moving in reverse? Will this game ever get here?
I feel like I’m in some alternate time/space continuum and we haven’t played in a month.
Wasn't it so much nicer last year,
when we didn't have such a long wait for our first playoff game?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
yes it was
I think this wait is getting people a bit edgy
"The script doesn't change for us,… As long as we're taking care of things and keeping our focus on improving the quality of play, I don't think we can be beat. If you had asked me six years ago, I would have said the same damn thing. … We expect to win every time we take the field, and I would think that every team thinks the same thing." -Mike McCarthy
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I know that's right
Sunday cannot get here fast enough.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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Some advantages for the Packers
1. The Packers are a very good team. The fact is, you don’t slop your way to a 15-win season, 8-0 at home and a sweep of the division, and 6-0 against playoff opponents.
2. Sure, the Giants played the Packers close in week 13. In the Meadowlands (and, lest it be forgotten, still lost). The rematch will be played at Lambeau Field, one of the stadiums that defines home field advantage.
3. Somewhat of a side-note, but apparently CM3’s pick-6 is the new talking point today. You know how much defensive touchdowns are worth? 6+1, just like on offense.
Sure, the Packers can’t afford to overlook the Giants, and if Rodgers has as bad a game as Favre had in the 2007 NFC CG, that’s going to be real trouble.
But if the offense comes out playing well, and the defense plays to a reasonable level, the Giants will be left with virtually no margin of error to stay in this game.
Giants Fan Rebuttal
#1. Great point. Can’t argue that one. Great team. Great record. GB and the fans deserve to be extremely confident.
#2. Giants gave GB all they could handle. Yes it was in NJ. Yes they still lost. But you can argue that Giants were robbed of a TD while GB was gifted one. Also, yes GB has traditionally been a very hard place to play, especially in the playoffs. But (and I tried to do some quick research here but got lazy), when was the last time GB WON a home playoff game? They lost in 2003, 2005 and in 2007 at fabled Lambeau. Also, in 2007 they lost to the Giants. Many key players on this years team were on that team, so they already have the experience and confidence of winning a playoff game in GB.
#3. Yes a defensive TD counts as much as an offensive TD. I think the point is that GB is known for its offense. And if you take into account the pick6, you can say that the Giants D only allowed 31 points to your offense, while your defense allowed 35 points to the Giants offense. You could even go further (if you are a rabid NY Giants football fan – haha) and say that if you take into account the two very questionable TD plays (1 GB TD, 1 NY non-TD), that the Giants offense actually outscored the GB offense 39-24.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
#2 The Packers won a playoff game in '07 before losing to the Giants, that's why they made it to the NfCCG, you don't just get sent there
And all of you loss example had a different qb for the Packers, the Giants were also a different team 4 years ago, even of the have the same backfeild (qb included) an coach
- this point is just stupid, if you don’t give Green Bay’s offense the TD then you have to dock it from NYs. Also if you are complaining about the refs, the Jennings call exactly followed the rule and he clearly caught it, he just handled it in a certain way to show the red that he had possession that it looked unstable to Fox’s booth and the other TD was a close call that didnt goth your way, those happen in every game. You only scored your 2 point conversion because of an obvious hold. Complaining about the refs is a whiny excuse. You also can’t say that every play from there on out wouldn’t have changed and the Pacjers wouldn’t win anyway. And even if they did until the final drive. The Packers were unstoppable flying down the Feild and layed up and ate the clock for a FG because that’s all they needed, of they needed a TD there they would have gone for one, considering the drive, likely gotten one, and won anyway
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I realize
that a changed play at one point in the game will probably change the rest of the game from there on out. And yes bad calls happen all the time in every game to both teams. But as a Giants fan I can say that a lot of calls on crucial plays seemed to be going in GBs favor. Say what you will, but officiating often times decides games (and it sucks when it does).
Also, as I said, I did get lazy with my research. My apologies. But fact of the matter is, GB has lost 3 of their last 4 home playoff games. (I think that’s correct right). So the mystique or this unparalleled home field advantage GB enjoys at Lambeau (that “DaveinTucson” was referring to) doesn’t seem to really exist anymore.
As far as docking NY’s TD? They didn’t get the TD. Pics and replay clearly show Ballards knee on the turf inbounds but it was ruled no TD. So what TD am I supposed to dock from the Giants? The one the officials already docked from us?
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Actually no
During the replay process pictures are not used. Want to know why? Because pictures have no context to them. The video replay only shows the grass/turf/pellets moving OOB. That means his knee came down OOB to cause that disturbance. And even if his knee did come down in bounds, some sort of disturbance would have been shown in the turf. None is shown on the replay.
And that picture does not clearly show his knee being down. There could have easily been a half inch of space in between the turf and his knee. As far as Jennings TD, he established possession with two feet down before it was knocked loose. Sorry, but they called it correct. Stop blaming the officiating and get over it. You guys still had a chance to win at the end of the game, and that is all you can ask for.
by Shoes31 on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
HFA at Lambeau
So the mystique or this unparalleled home field advantage GB enjoys at Lambeau (that "DaveinTucson" was referring to) doesn’t seem to really exist anymore.
The Packers have lost a total of 3 home games in the last 3 seasons.
GB has lost 3 of their last 4 home playoff games.
They also won 4 playoff games last year. Maybe you heard?
by DaveInTucson on Jan 13, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Yes I heard
all on the road. Great run. Just like the Giants in ‘07. I’m not dismissing your team or trying to disrespect them or you guys. I know I’m a guest here on your site. Just saying the Giants and their fans have plenty of reasons to be hopeful in this game. Will they win? Probably not. But I like what I’m seeing from the team right now and I think they can give you guys one hell of a run for your money. Should be fun to watch (at least I hope it will be).
And the Giants have no use for home win streaks or any of that nonsense. Ask the Patriots LOL
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
yeah because the Patriots are even in the same league as the Packers this year...
they’re not. they played two decent teams all season and lost to both of them.
The whole AFC, minus Baltimore, is a joke.
And Baltimore has Flacco as QB. ’Nuff said.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Ok, I get what you are saying about the mystique now
The Ballard TD wasn’t even the controversial one, it was really close but replays showed he was clearly out and only a still that doesn’t show if he’s touching the ground (which the video shows he wasn’t until he was out) with the exception of some bad NY fan analysis online the bad TD call was the wideout that had two feet in but was called out. Also I meant that the defensive Packers touchdown counts, it was not on special team so it either goes for the Packers or against the Giants offense in your poor “Giants offense outscored them” argument. Hell you counted FGs and that was special teams which should count in your silly argument less than a pick 6
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But Offense
gets your team in FG position. The defense is giving up those yards/field position. But again, sure every TD counts obvioulsy. We gotta take something out of the games to argue about or else these blogs would be empty haha. And Giants fans need to take something out of the game to help us believe that we are not running into an unstoppable force or some buzz-saw. I mean we do as a franchise have a history of writing sad endings for teams with other-worldly offenses. We limited Pats to 14 in SB. We limited Buffalo and that amazing offense to 19 in the SB. We shut out the mythical SF offense in the divisional round and held them to 13 in a CCG. Is this Giants team the same team? No. But the way the D has picked up of late and the fact that there are still a lot of hold-overs from that 2007 team (and swapping Strahan for JPP), that all gives us confidance too.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
and we shut out Minnesota and their record setting offense in a CCG as well. Not that I’m delusional and think we’re gonna do that against Rodgers. But if we can keep the game in the 20s then the game is definitely up for grabs.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
That was 1998 the Vikings set the scoring record
As far as I know, they didn’t set any offensive records in 2000.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 13, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
they still put up a ton of points that year.
But they were a dome team going on the road into a cold weather stadium. They couldn’t play good offense in bad weather. Remind you of any other team that people keep touting as the NFC favourite?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Hope the Saints get smoked in SF
Send the Saints marching home
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda wanna see them come into Lambeau next week
then all week people will be talking about how Brees has been better the second half of the season (where he’s played outdoors ONCE, and struggled in that game against a weaker opponent), and how he’s the hot QB and should get consideration for MVP…
And then Sunday will come, and Rodgers will light it up as he always does, warm or cold, snow or rain, and the Saints will get sent home with their tails between their legs and there won’t be any more doubt as to who’s the MVP.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Well I see your point and that would be sweet too
but I am obviously pulling for that Giants upset Sunday and I do not want them to have to go to NO for the CG. Would much rather play in SF where we almost won earlier in the year.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
yeah I'm not gonna lie, the Giants just plain don't match up with the Saints
especially in the dome. That game would probably end similarly to the last two times they went there.
On the other hand, I’d expect the Giants to beat San Fran
football does not build character, it reveals character.
True, and it's not like your team is bad
You are facing an epic offense who is six games better than you on the road but even the home game you lost to us was closer than the three points made it look, which in that case mentioning close calls, not complaining about thier outcome, but mentioning them and how several could have gone either way and changed who won is a fair argument that the game was closer than the score looked
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
" but replays showed he was clearly out and only a still that doesn’t show if he’s touching the ground"
I meant to mention there is a picture going around thebiternet where he looks in but you can’t tell from it if he’s actually touching the ground
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know
I’ve seen them all. From different angles. Not even being a Giants homer here, but to me it looks like they show pretty clear evidence that he was in. But officials don’t use stills and when you look at the video it really is impossible to tell. With the rules and tools they have at their disposal I don’t think it was a horrible call, but looking at those pics gives all Giants fans a bit of heartburn.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Full video >>>> any 1 frame grab or still photo
If you look at the video Fox showed during the game, it looks very much like Ballard came down on the chalk.
I will agree it was very close. One of those plays that wouldn’t get overturned, no matter how it was called on the field.
From different angles
Fox’s video coverage of this play was virtually perfect. Well lit, HD video, right in front of the play, with an unobscured view of Ballard’s knee coming down.
I guess if you want to complain, they didn’t have a camera 1 inch off the turf so you could see exactly where his knee first contacted the turf.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
"GB has lost 3 of their last 4 home playoff games"
Actually, they’ve lost 3 of their last 5 home playoff games & won all 13 home playoff games before that.
In those three losses, Brett Favre threw a combined 8 INTs. Aaron Rodgers has thrown 6 INTs all season.
GB playoff records:
15-3 at home
4-2 against the Giants
13.
In '62, Green Bay's 7th Championship season, the Packers took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and lost. In '11 they took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and got it right this time.
In '07, the Packers hosted a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and lost. In '11 they host a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and, again, we’re gonna get it right this time!"
I know I got the numbers wrong
but the point was once Vick went in there and got that 1st win and then Minnesota and NY followed, the aura of invicibility of Lambeau in the playoffs vanished. It’s just another tough road game in the playoffs now. Not a place where Lombardi’s ghost is watching over the team and steering them to victory.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
That fall from grace might have had something to do with poor QB play.
Something tells me the aura will return, and the Packers will be playing a lot of home playoff games in the coming years.
We still haven’t lost a playoff game where our QB throws less than 2 INTs in the game (Rodgers hasn’t thrown 2 INTs in a game this season)
13.
In '62, Green Bay's 7th Championship season, the Packers took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and lost. In '11 they took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and got it right this time.
In '07, the Packers hosted a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and lost. In '11 they host a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and, again, we’re gonna get it right this time!"
the biggest reason for the home field advantage going by the wayside
was that Favre in his late 30s would fall apart in really cold weather.
Like the 2007 game against NY. He checked out of that game long before it was finished.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Absolutely true
It was so disappointing to watch. I remember thinking to myself at the time. Is he really giving us the best chance to win here? He looked old and slow.
Yeah. He sure looked like
he wanted to be somewhere else — anywhere else.
And, mentally, he was.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
No it doesn't
but officiating often times decides games
The players on the field decide games.
In 1998 Jerry Rice fumbles, the Packers recover, but the refs blew the call and the 49ers kept the ball. They went on and scored the winning TD with a few seconds left. If the refs get that call right the Packers most likely win that game and advance to the next round. Did the refs decide that game? No. Did the refs cost the Packers the game? No. The Packers cost the Packers that game. They had chances to stop the 49ers after the Rice play but didn’t. The didn’t make enough plays before that play to win it. The Packers and 49ers decided that game.
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But...
You wouldn’t have had to, and shouldn’t have had to, make any plays to stop SF because they shouldn’t have had the ball. Obviously the refs turned the outcome of that game.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
That was before
Video Replay. We still had a chance to win the game if we make one more play. Owens had like 3 people around him on that game winning TD. Maybe one of them should have made a play to win the game.
The outcome of a game is determined by every single play of the game.
No 1 play determines the outcome of a game. I won’t say the refs cost the Packers that game just like I won’t say Eli cost the Giants the game earlier this season because of the pick-6.
Just like the Wild Card loss to the Cards a few years ago. Yes, the refs missed a hit to the helmet on Rodgers on 2nd down. Yes, on 3rd down they missed the face mask. But the refs didn’t cost them the game. If Rodgers doesn’t overthrow Jennings on 1st down in OT the Packers win. If the Packers D doesn’t allow Warner to end up with more TD passes than incomplete passes then maybe they win.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
by Zundar on Jan 13, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'ed
Also, if the Packers first 3 drives don’t end with an interception, lost fumble, and a punt…
You could say the same thing about the “Rice fumble” game. Packers played a sloppy game; 4 turnovers really let the 49ers stay in it.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 13, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
And Yes...
Rodgers is a great QB and was not involved in those GB home playoff losses. That wasn’t my point. My point was that a lot of the main guys on this Giants team on offense and defense (15 all together on the team), have had the experience of going into Lambeau in the playoffs and coming out on the winning side. So again, the mystique I don’t think is going to be any issue.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
no, you're right, it's not.
Aaron Rodgers is going to be an issue.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, You are right
he is THE issue. If we have any success getting after him, making him uncomfortable, making him hurry throws etc. I think the Giants win this game. Otherwise we’ll have to rely on Eli battling him in a shootout again. Then the game tilts in your favor.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
when was the last time GB WON a home playoff game?
2007, beat the Seahawks 42-20.
I think the point is that GB is known for its offense.
The Packers D has forced more turnovers than any team except the 49ers (both have 38). Maybe not know for it, but it still matters.
Giants D only allowed 31 points to your offense, while your defense allowed 35 points to the Giants offense.
Here’s the thing. The Packers didn’t need to outscore the Giants offense. They didn’t need to outscore whatever you thought the actual score should be. They just needed to outscore the number of points on the scoreboard, and it didn’t matter how, or by how many.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 13, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
I said I got lazy with my research. But still, GB has lost 3of 4 at home in playoffs. That great homefield advantage GB used to have in the past isn’t really that relevant any more. Although, sure, it’s still the playoffs and it’s still home field advantage. It does count for something. But Giants have a lot of key players on that team who have the experience of winning in Lambeau in January.
GB D has a ton of talent and I think they are actually better than they get credit for or the stats would suggest. Of course your pass defenses stats are going to look bad and rank low in the league. Everybody you play has to throw the football to keep up or try to come back. I’m not taking you D lightly or expecting that we are going to shred it. Just hopeful :)
And yes the final score is the final score. That’s all that matters and GB was on top at the end. All TDs count. Congrats to you guys on an awesome game and an amazing season. I think my point was that our offense did outscore your offense (even if you laid up at the end and settled for a FG). I can hope that the Giants repeat that and that Eli doesn’t give you 6 in this game.
Should be an amazing game. Good luck and may the best team win. I know I can’t wait to watch it.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
3 of last 5, not 4
13.
In '62, Green Bay's 7th Championship season, the Packers took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and lost. In '11 they took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and got it right this time.
In '07, the Packers hosted a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and lost. In '11 they host a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and, again, we’re gonna get it right this time!"
The 2007 NFC CG
2007 [Packers] lost to the Giants
Yeah. Favre had a bad game (19/35, 236 yds, 2 tds, 2 ints). Al Harris utterly failed to cover Plaxico Burress (11 catches, 151 yards). The defense gave up 134 rushing yards.
And the Giants barely escaped with a win in overtime, largely thanks to Favre’s patented ability to throw a late pick. Like I said above, if the Packers play as bad as they did in 2007, all bets are off.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
- - Are you serious? Gifted one? Your QB making a terrible pass doesn’t change the fact that its a score. If he doesn’t score, the offense still would have. This kind of posturing makes me a little sad for you guys. You guys seriously need to get over it. The play was reviewed, multiple angles made him look out, one might have made him look in…not sure how 1 trumps 3…I guess its a card game I haven’t played.
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I was talking about the Jennings TD
where Amukamara was badly beaten but came back to swat the ball away as it appeared Jennings never really had clear possesion of the ball. I would never say something like that about the Manning pick6. Bad throw on his part and great play by Mathews. Nothing else to say about that play.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Jennings catch was a TD
Stop being a Giants homer. He had two feet down with possession before the ball was knocked away. Go watch the replay again and look at it objectively.
I am very objective honestly
I call things like I see them regardless if it’s against my team or not. I just like to see clean games. That ball was rolling around in his hands almost the entire time. Maybe for a split second he sort of had it under control between his fingertips before Prince knocked it out. Considering the stringent reception rules in the NFL today, it was kind of shocking that it was called possession.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
It was close, but
possession in the end zone == touchdown, and the play is over as soon as that happens. Because he wasn’t going to the ground (the “Megatron rule”), he didn’t need to maintain possession all the way to the ground, just get two feet in and demonstrate control.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 13, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
The problem is the rules
aren’t applied with any standards. I’ve seen catches where the receiver has WAY more possession than that, is not going to the ground, ends up dropping it and it is called incomplete, not a fumble. No consistency in the NFL. I was really expecting them to say “the receiver never demonstrated full possession of the ball. The ball was moving around in his hands”.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
It stopped rolling
And he got two feet down with possession. As soon as you have two feet down, with possession in the end zone, its a TD unless you go to the ground. When he first caught it, the ball was wiggling a bit, yes. But he got it under control quickly, got two feet down with it under control, and then had it knocked out.
I guess we can agree to disagree though. Because I clearly see him having possession.
For instance
I have no problem admitting that the Giants got away with a hold on their 2 point conversion. And I’ve been a huge critic of the NFL all season for never calling any holding penalties at the O line.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
oh okay
still though…both plays were reviewed and upheld and you are still arguing them???? You are in denial dude!
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
It doesn't count when there's a massive conspiracy to have the Packers win.
13.
In '62, Green Bay's 7th Championship season, the Packers took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and lost. In '11 they took a 10-0 record into Detroit on Thanksgiving, and got it right this time.
In '07, the Packers hosted a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and lost. In '11 they host a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and, again, we’re gonna get it right this time!"
by Wiedmann on Jan 14, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course I'm in denial
I’m a Giants fan!! :)
by NYStateofMind on Jan 15, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Packers stats, averages above Giants level
Comparing the teams side by side, GB had better production from both the run game and pass offense PER game than Giants did all season. Packers also averaged 35 points scoring PER game while Giants averaged a shade over 24 points PER game. In head to head competiton in the last two games, Packers averaged 41 points against the Giants while NY averaged just 26 points even though the latest game was a 3 point GB win. GB has handled Giants running game the last two times, if the same happens again on Sunday, Manning’s not likely to out play Aaron Rodgers in Lambeau to get a win.
Manning
Whereas Rodgers is clearly the best QB in the league and you are right that it isn’t likely that Manning will outplay him, dismiss him at your own peril. Everybody wants to do that to Eli, but he has often gone into other buildings only to outshine thier star QB. He did it this year in Philly, NE and Dallas. He also did it already in Lambeau, in the playoffs, against a future HoF QB. The last game between us he played Rodgers to as close to a draw as possible. The stats and late game heroics are almost identical.
As for the Giants stats this year, you can throw those out the window. The defense had so many injuries it’s impossible to list them all. They are getting healthy now and playing much, much better. The defense has allowed only 30 points in the last 3 games, with 13 sacks while pretty much negating the run. The Oline was overhauled this year and is just now starting to play well together. The running game that finished dead last during the season (at 89 ypg and 3.3 avg) has now gone over 100 yards in each of last 4 games while averaging 115ypg and 4.5 ypc, busting out 170+ yards against one of the best rush defenses in the league last week. When the O has that balance it becomes very dangerous..
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
One thing that Giants fans don't seem to realize though
Is that Favre is notorious for throwing ill timed interceptions that ended up costing his teams the game when it mattered most. Rodgers doesn’t have that tendency to help other teams out when it matters.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 13, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
No
We all realize that. We’re not delusional regardless what you guys probably all think of us right now haha. I think we all know Rodgers is the superior QB and we will be lucky to come out of there with a win. I think there are enough reasons right now to believe that it’s a possibility.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
reply fail
read below.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's fair
We just see some of the arguments as notthe strongest and we are giving arguments more Scrutiny because apparently the entire media world has already decided that the Gianta are upsetting the Packers. I know that’s not your fault but it is what it is
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
That’s the NFL or media hype machine. 4 weeks ago we were bums. We practically shut out Atlanta and now we’re world-beaters. Nothing matters til the teams meet on the field. This is all just b.s. to get everybody whipped into a frenzy about the game so that everybody is glued to the t.v. come sunday. Then Goodell sits back and dreams about all the ad money that’s gonna come rolling in.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
True
Did Goodell ever only take that $1 salary?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought about that after I wrote it
I almost completely forgot he played for your stadium enemies, so you guys do know. I don’t think you guys are delusional, it’s just that a lot of people like to bring up the last games won and lost at Lambeau in the playoffs, even pre-Giants game. Those all included a completely different team, and most importantly, a completely different QB. This will be Rodgers first playoff game at home, and no matter the outcome, I think it’s going to be a good game.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM CST reply actions
Absolutely
Our coach keeps pointing it out. 2008 has nothing to do with 2012. Different teams, different cast of characters, different circumstances. But we gotta have something to blabber about or we’ll all go insane waiting for the game.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks
For the bit of distraction from a Friday work day and helping me get my fix for this game til Sunday. You guys are getting plenty of props at BBV for being classy, smart fans. If I don’t get back to your blog before Sunday, good luck. Hopefully it’s a clean, well-played, well-officiated game.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 13, 2012 2:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Thanks, yourself, NYSoM.
You’ve been pretty classy, as well.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
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After further review,
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