Rodgers vs. Manning Playoff Stats

by uofmike on Jan 12, 2012 4:59 PM CST

I understand that the Giants and the Packers have two different styles of offense, but I took a look at how Manning has fared in the playoffs vs how Rodgers has fared in the playoffs in standard passing stats. Charts and such are below.

This first chart is the stats of Eli Manning in the playoffs

The second chart is the stats of Aaron Rodgers in the Playoffs

The third chart is the average for each QB as well as the difference between each QB

The fourth chart is the total number of games each QB has played and achieved a certain stat

the fifth chart is what each QB would have for a complete season's stats based on playoff averages. It's strictly a reference point for easier comparison.

So what does this tell us? This tells us Aaron Rodgers does what Aaron Rodgers does and not much more needs to be said about him. Both teams run different styles of offense, but it would appear that Manning is nothing more than a game manager in the playoffs. Last week was by far and away the best playoff game Manning statistically has had, it happened during the best season Manning has ever had, so maybe he is growing and turning a page. However, even though Manning's last game was his best, it's surprisingly close to the average Aaron Rodgers playoff game. Manning has never thrown for 300 yards in the playoffs and has thrown for less than 200 yards in 5 of his 8 games. Rodgers on the other hand has only thrown for less than 200 yards once and he still threw 3 TDs in that game. Rodgers also has 2-300 yard games and 1-400 yard game under his belt in only 5 appearances. The 7.0 yards/attempt by Manning would further suggest that he is a game manager in the playoffs, however I would expect a little higher than 60% completion percentage if he was just trying to dink and dunk and not turn it over. While it is important for all teams to not turn the ball over, a team that is not producing many yards would especially need to not turn it over. With that being said, Manning still throws interceptions almost twice as often as Rodgers does. Although to Manning's credit, the number of 0 INT games really surprised me, especially with his eradicate tendencies. Of the stats listed (essentially all the ones on Yahoo, I'm not trying to be biased), Rodgers is better than Manning in every single stat.

The Giants had one of the worst rushing attacks in the NFL this season, a defense that allowed more points than it scored, and a team as a whole that played very inconsistent. They have won their last few games, but I am not sold on the quality of opponent that they've played. They've won 4 of their last 5, including their last 3. However the only team in that stretch that even made the playoffs was last week (duh) and it was lead by a QB who has never won in the playoffs.

So the question becomes, if the Giants need to rely on Eli this game to put up lots of yards/points, can they? Or is their defense going to have to carry the entire burden and be forced to completely shut down Aaron Rodgers? A very tall task.

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Your Eli chart has a slight error

The 3rd row from the bottom, the one concerning the New England game, is marked an L. It was actually a W for the game manager. =)

A pickier reader might quibble about Eli’s obvious improvement as a quarterback and the improvement of the Giants’ wide receivers since 2005-2007, when most of those games were played, but I digress.

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by rich316 on Jan 12, 2012 6:49 PM CST reply actions

good catch

how can I screw up the most important game of his career.

Well in 2007 his receivers were :
Plax
Toomer
Smith
Hixon
Tyree
Moss

I wouldn’t exactly say that’s a bad group of WRs. You could even argue that it’s ALMOST as good as the ones on the team now. If you want to put Eli winning a Super Bowl into the argument for why the Giants can win on Sunday, you need to look at how he did it. The Packer run D is pretty rough, the Giants may have to take advantage of that like they did when Eli won the Super Bowl. But in order for that to happen, the Giants are going to need to run like they did last game, not the previous 16.

The point was, Eli’s game on Sunday was considered a good game, the best of his career in the playoffs, and it’s essentially the exact average of what Rodgers has played in the playoffs. So if Rodgers has an average game, Eli is going to have to have the best game of his playoff career to win. This also doesn’t include the obvious improvement of Rodgers this season over his playoff averages.

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Jan 12, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions

you also made a mistake on Rodgers' career playoff passer rating

it’s 112.6, not 109.5.

so, even more ridiculous

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions

well

that’s because I took the average of all the QB Ratings, I don’t know the whole formula off the top of my head. So games where he only threw 20 times affect it more in my sheet than it should

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Jan 12, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions

Passer rating doesn't fluctuate if it's a game or a season.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 2:37 AM CST up reply actions

no, but

You can’t take qb ratings of 119 and 109 and say his rating is 114, which is what I find. The 114 will be close, which is why I did it, but its not exact

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Jan 13, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, I see what you did, now.

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In '07, the Packers hosted a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and lost. In '11 they host a playoff game against a Giants team that they had defeated during the regular season, and, again, we’re gonna get it right this time!"

by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions

You Forgot to subtract 52% of Rodgers Passing Yards

52% of Rodgers passing yards come from the run after the catch this has nothing to do with any quarterback. That is all about the receivers. You can subtract 40% of Elis as that is the amount of his yardage that comes from the run after the catch. That gives you the true difference between Elis passing and Rodgers (725 more yards for Eli without the run after the catch and 290 more when the run after the catch is added into the total).

by RAW on Jan 13, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions

lol...

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 13, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions

Giant lol...

by Ben T on Jan 13, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Allow me to elaborate a bit:

You cannot simply subtract YAC because it is not possible from the stats to know how much of it should be credited to the QB or to the WR/RB/TE. I don’t want to get into a big, long discussion about this, so I’ll just say that I hope you realize why YAC can sometimes be at least partially credited to the QB.

by Ben T on Jan 13, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Your Wrong

If you go to NFL.com they give you all of the information and how much of all yardage is run after the catch.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions

Run After the Catch Yardage Was Not Added to QB total until 1986

Until 1986 the NFL did not see run after the catch yardage as passing yardage. It was because of Montana and lobbying by the 49ers that they added it to qb passing yardage. They felt that this had nothing to do with the qb passing the ball, they saw this as rushing the ball. If TB got run after the catch they still would be trying to catch his totals. That way 3,000 yards season were great and 4,000 yard season were unhurd of. That is what got Bradway Joe in the Hall, he throw the ball for 4,000 yards.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions

so do you literally just type whatever comes out of your ass, or what?

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 15, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions

Lol ignorance FTW

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions

This is patently false

run after the catch this has nothing to do with any quarterback

Obviously, some RAC is due to great plays by the WR/RB/TE, but there’s something to be said about hitting a guy in stride at 15 yards, and is able to run free to the end zone.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

holy shit we agree on something.

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions

hooray!

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions

lol

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions

Does not Matter

It is still a misted tackle by defender. Their job is to prevent the catch and if the do not they are to tackle the reciever after he catches the ball without a run or it is consider bad defence. Run after the catch was not added to quarteback passing yardage until 1986 after lobbying by the 49ers. This was due to Montana yardage being so low.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions

you are literally too stupid to insult

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 15, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions

you wouldn't say that's a bad group of receiver?

wow!
Plax- 70 rec, 1025 yds: Decent but not great
Toomer- 59 rec, 760 yds: I think your 4th wr is having a better year
Smith- 8 rec, 63 yds: Somebody call the HOF (by the way, he was a rookie)
Hixon- 1 rec, 5 yds: I think you have to consider these guys the new “greatest show on turf”
Tyree- 4 rec, 35 yds: you kidding?
Moss- 21 rec, 225 yds: Game Breaker!

Also, as far as your point: I really can’t understand how the 2005 playoff game against the panthers has anything to do with this game. That was Eli’s first full year as a starter and his 2nd year in the league….now if you want to be fair, then average in Rodgers’ 2nd pro year he passed 6/14 for 46 yds…or does that not count because it skews your point? how’d ARodg do in the playoffs his 2nd year in the league? Oh that’s right, he couldn’t beat old man Favre (as you guys like to call him). So let’s go to ARodg’s first full year as a starter, the year after Old Man Favre took the same team to the NFCCG, to see how he faired. Oh wait, they didn’t make the playoffs because they went 6-10 (don’t tell anyone but Manning has never had a losing season) Listen, I could go on but the real question is why? you clearly didn’t put much work into this and only used stats that favor whatever point you’re trying to make…Can’t wait until tomorrow, because there’s gonna be a lot of humble pie being eaten.

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Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Jan 14, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions

loooooooooolololol

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 14, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions

how’d ARodg do in the playoffs his 2nd year in the league? Oh that’s right, he couldn’t beat old man Favre

When did Rodgers and Favre every play against eachother in the playoffs?

So let’s go to ARodg’s first full year as a starter, the year after Old Man Favre took the same team to the NFCCG, to see how he faired. Oh wait, they didn’t make the playoffs because they went 6-10

Let’s look at the stats for each QB for those 2 years. Pretty similar. Looks like the diference was somewhere other than QB. Points for: 2007: 435; 2008: 419. Pretty close. Points allowed: 2007: 291; 2008: 380. Wonder if that had something to do with the worse record…

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by Zundar on Jan 14, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

Lets be honest. Do games Eli Manning played 5 and 6 years ago tell you anything about the QB he is today?

Especially when you admit he was in a run first offense for much of his career? No Giants fan anywhere is going to argue that Eli is better than Rodgers in any facet. I think that’s pretty obvious. What I don’t think you can do is draw conclusions about future performance based on these numbers. He’s quite clearly not a “game manager” anymore and his body of work over the course of this season suggests the same. In fact, it kind of destroys the whole point you’re trying to make in your post;

So the question becomes, if the Giants need to rely on Eli this game to put up lots of yards/points, can they?

The answer is yes. This is the first year he’s been asked to do so and he’s responded brilliantly (note: Rodgers is much better than brilliant, ethereal even). A three pick game six years ago isn’t going to tell you the whole story and IMO it’s silly to try and draw any conclusions from it because his job this year has been radically different than years past.

Also, you can be not sold on the quality of their past few opponents, but keep in mind had they lost to the Jets and Cowboys both would have likely made the playoffs, for what it’s worth.

Anyways, that’s just my humble opinion. Appreciate all the work you put into the post and the even handed manner in which you presented the data. I don’t do score projections because I’m horrible at them but I think the only way the gmen stand a chance is if Rodgers comes out rusty for maybe a quarter and a half and they’re (the giants) able to put two scores quickly. That would allow them to attempt control the clock with the now healthy running game ( who has recently beat up on the 6th,7th and 13th ranked rush D’s) and would presumably expose Mr. Rodgers to the best unit on the Giants team, the pass rush. It’s either going to be that or just a boatload of random lucky crap that goes in the Giants’ favor.

Either way, best of luck and may the best team win.

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by CasanovaWong on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 PM CST reply actions

hahaha
All of your buddies in Giant nation have been talking non stop about how you guys beat us 5 years ago in the playoffs, you can’t have it both ways. If that game means anything then yes, Eli’s stats mean something. If not then no!

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by TrevorR on Jan 13, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs

what Giant fans? not the ones that know anything.

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions

This is a fallacy

“talking non-stop.” Try barely, by very few.

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions

It hasn't been brought up as much as officiating, I'll give you that.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs

LOL

Oh that is something I am not proud of from my brethren. :-)

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

+1

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

It's totally just me

nobody in the media has said anything today about the officiating.

Oh, wait, it’s sort of one of the biggest issues of the weekend…

Bottom line, the NFL has to do something so that referees do not determine the outcome of games by making mistakes. Why would you not agree with that?

Do you want the game to be won or lost by players or by wrong calls?

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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

we want people to stop being whiny babies…especially when they won the damn game.

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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions

so every sports media outlet in the nation is a whiny baby?

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions

Nope, just you.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions

No, Ace.

Just you.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 18, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions

Hey, I found a photo of you...

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by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions

:)

As always you are correct.

Me and Giants fans are very much down in the dumps these days.

Peace.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions

No reason to whine, yet still doing so.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions

No Wied.. this is more like it

McDonkey and his homies from BBV

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions

it's not fair that I'm enjoying this and you're not

but really, we look more like this right now

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 18, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

Give it a couple days.

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions

thanks!

Until then, I’ll enjoy being a fan of one of the 4 best teams in football

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 18, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions

LOL

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by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

More assholes there than what a proctologist sees on a given year

Yeah, that’s…. good for you, McDonkey. We’ll see how ya feel in 4 more days.

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Jan 18, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions

Probably going to be seeing more of this soon though...

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by TrevorR on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions

You are not the media. The media is just pandering to your whiny attitude. Move on.

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by TrevorR on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions

No comparison

Are we really comparing apples to apples?

We are talking about a QB who is going to end up multiple SB winner and in Canton vs one whose D went on a roll and won a SB and who may not even get a sniff at the big game ever again.

Pumped for Rodgers’ first home playoff win. First of many.

by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 12, 2012 11:08 PM CST reply actions

there's no doubt that if Rodgers maintains this level of play for even just another 5-6 years, he'll go down as one of the best ever

but if Eli continues to play like he has for much of this year, I would not be at all surprised if he’s on the HOF borderline someday.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions

I don't know

I just don’t get what the big deal with Eli is, he’s good, but I wouldn’t go any farther than that. I’m not saying anyone is wrong, he may be a very good QB and I just haven’t seen the right games and maybe he will show me something Sunday… but from what I have seen, I just don’t get it.

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REPORTER: How far can it sink?
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by uofmike on Jan 13, 2012 1:11 AM CST up reply actions

Kind of my view on Eli, too.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 2:39 AM CST up reply actions

I dunno. Obviously we're both biased. Maybe me moreso....but Eli DID go toe-to-toe with Rodgers in that last game.

Granted, it was that one game and I know y’all saw it. But it shows that Eli ain’t just a run of the mill QB.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 13, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions

I like Eli

I really do, let’s not forget he’s had to fight pretty hard to get out of his brother’s shadow for most of the start of his career. that team is loaded with talent, esp. on DL, and they have some pretty great young wideouts too.

Eli’s curse is inconsistency, not just his own, but his team’s too. The Giants can inexplicablynlook like world beaters one week and a squad of UFL rejects the next. If they can overcome that, they’ll be perennial playoff contenders for the next several years.

As far as Eli’s HOF worthiness, he might have to win another SB or an MVP before he gets considered in the conversation, but he’s on the way for sure

by PackerFanInTN on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions

I can agree with this. I know Eli isn't on the level of Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Peyton.

He is on the same level as Stafford, Rivers, Roethlisberger.

I hate full on rankings, I prefer tiers, cause each QB brings something different to the table.

I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.

by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 13, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions

Well, except Rodgers

He brings it all: appetizers, main course, drinks, dessert, the guests, fine china, silverware, glassware, tablecloth, centerpiece, chandelier, and those little foil ducks for leftovers. Yes, he’s that good…

by Ben T on Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Yes, I support those tiers

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions

agreed

He is basically a Stafford, which is a solid qb that can win you games. But that to me makes him a top 10 qb, not an elite qb

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REPORTER: How far can it sink?
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by uofmike on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not sure we really know what

“a Stafford” is yet. Eli’s coming off his best statistical year of an 8-year career (7 full years as the starter). Stafford exceeded that in his third year (first full year as a starter). Eli looks like a QB who has bumped up against his ceiling, while Stafford looks like he could very well be on his way to elite.

by Ben T on Jan 13, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think stats are the only thing that make an "elite" QB

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 13, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions

Would you agree

that Eli had his best year and that Stafford’s year was essentially just as good? I certainly think that’s true based on watching their performances. Given where they are in their careers, it’s not too big of a leap to suggest that Stafford could jump up to the upper tier and Eli might never get there.

by Ben T on Jan 13, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

has Stafford won a playoff game

Any BIG games he pull out of the hat this yr? (Besides the 1 Romo gave them). How many 4th Q come backs ?

there are QBs in this league that put up a ton of empty stats. ( Stanford,Romo,Rivers). Not 1 of them guys have won a game that really counts.

Everybody who would be happy with a QB that can do what them 3 can ,and be happy , can have um. I’ll take the guy that steps IT UP with the best of them.

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions

Can't believe I'm being asked to defend Stafford

So I won’t, do your own goddamned Google search and you’ll find out what you need to know. Just keep in mind, every game is a big game when you are trying to turn around a perennial loser. He’s only played in one playoff game so far, and you know what happened. And, don’t give me this shit about Romo giving him a game. Stafford still had to do his job to make it happen.

by Ben T on Jan 13, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions

O my another internet tough guy.

up 27-3 Romo then threw 3 ints (2 for TDs) leading to the loss.

Less to do with your boy n more to do with incompetence.

Google that!

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions

How exactly did I behave like a tough guy?

I don’t remember threatening you. I didn’t even criticize your horrendous butchering of the English language. The fact is that you are speaking out of your ass, when a simple search will demonstrate that Stafford has shown himself to be pretty clutch in his short tenure.

by Ben T on Jan 13, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions

ca mon..

your horrendous butchering of the English language.

And, don’t give me this shit about Romo giving him a game.

do your own goddamned Google search

bout sums it up ..

Stafford has shown himself to be pretty clutch in his short tenure.

im’a wait’n
English enough for ya?

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions

It's En-glash

OK?

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think the Giants could beat the Saints in NO

Rodgers “couldn’t win a playoff game” either, before last year. Stafford’s first playoff game looks a hell of a lot better than Eli’s 1st playoff game.

Stafford could have guided the Giants offense to a least a FG drive against the Falcons, I’m pretty sure.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions

lol

before u start comparing playoff loses u should prob wait till Stafford wins a significant reg. season game. (which he hasn’t.)

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions

NYG 0-Car 23: 10/18, 113; 0TDs, 3INTs; 35.0 rating 6.28 ypa; 9 total 1st downs

Give Stafford some time before you dismiss him.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions

yep he did that against the #1 D and NFC SB rep that took

the Pats to their limits.

Stafford went up against the 30 ranked pass D ,so not all that impressed.

Also in that game Eli for forced to try in make plays due to the Giants missing 4 LBs (3 starters) and having guys play that were sitting on the coach A week prior.

Eli also had a limited set of plays to work with due to the Giants being a run 1st team. Being Forced to throw the ball was the death nail. especially out of his own endzone.

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions

Eli has never put up more than 24 points in a playoff game (in 8 games).

Stafford scored 28 his first try.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions

damn u got me

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by Troy O on Jan 13, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions

Internet victory!

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by Wiedmann on Jan 14, 2012 1:55 AM CST up reply actions

He has Now

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions

pathetic.

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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions

yes he has

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions

His defense forced 4 turnovers

and he was facing the worst pass defense in the history of the NFL. I would hope he could put up more than 24 given those circumstances. Surely they’ll be talking about his 5 yard TD drive in the same sentence as Unitas’ game-winning drive in the ’58 Championship game.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

nah,

we don’t talk about pre-superbowl championships; it’s pretty lame to do

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions

I assumed you were an idiot.

Now I know for sure.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

talk more about football

less about me. One, you know a tiny bit about; the other, nothing

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 18, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions

I was talking about football

Then you said to not talk about it.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions

We know you're an alcoholic loser.

You’ve confirmed that beyond a shred of doubt.

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions

Worst pass defense in the history of the NFL?

Bull.

You guys were last this year if you count pure yardage, but yardage does not score points.

Touchdowns score points.

Packers D: 29TDs 31INTs
Vikings D: 34TDs 8INTs

by Bjorno on Jan 20, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions

That's how they count total defense

I don’t like it either. Regardless, the pass defense was poor this year.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 20, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions

That is how "They" count it...

but “they” don’t know their head from their ass.

Eli is prone to throwing interceptions, he got lucky that he didn’t put up a 4 INT game like he does from time to time.

by Bjorno on Jan 20, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions

Whether or not it's the most useful stat....

…it’s still the worst performance in the history of the league, which means there’s something not quite right.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 21, 2012 1:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

ORLY?

…on a serious note, I wish our defense had ever been in the position to shut out an opponent this season. Instead, they allowed everyone to slice and dice them. When the turnover margin flipped, the D was doomed.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 21, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

I agree with this completely

Way too many teams were able to keep pace with us. We really had trouble with QB’s that faced us their first time, like Newton and Ponder (his first game wasn’t that bad), and then we also let Orton (his first real start with KC) go to town on us. Just way too many yards and big plays given up period.

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by TXPackerBacker on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions

he kept pace with Drew Brees for much of the night

a little different than putting up zero points.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 14, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't dismiss Stafford like that

He’s not there yet, but the guy has an unbelievable arm, in the same class as Rodgers and Cutler in arm strength, and he’s still just 23 years old. We don’t really know what he is yet.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions

I think Stafford will bring a Lombardi to Detroit before his career is over.

He’s already a pretty good QB & is not even entering his prime yet.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think he will

I think he’ll suffer from the curse of being in the same division as Aaron Rodgers, and the same conference as Cam Newton, and will have little opportunity to even get to a Super Bowl because of that.

But I’m a Lions hater, so what do I know

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by sheehan on Jan 14, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions

no way

stafford is overhyped. arrogant, has a good strong arm, makes bad reads and decisions, and has the luxury of the greatest WR currently in the game that bails him out on jump balls. so he’s basically this decade’s daunte culpepper

by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions

I agree with that…

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by TrevorR on Jan 14, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions

The giants are perennial playoff contenders.

Since 2005, Eli’s first full season, the Giants have made the playoffs 5 of 7 years. The two years they didn’t make the playoffs they went 10-6 and 8-8. They have either been in the playoffs, or fighting for a spot until the very end.

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions

that was maybe Eli's best game though, against a porous pass Defense.

Rodgers played easily his worst game of the season outside of KC, and it was still better than what Eli did.

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by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions

Definitely not eli's best game

I don’t blame you for not knowing, because you’re a packers fan, but any game in which he throws a pick-6 is certainly not his best game of the year. That would be either week 3 v. Eagles (4 TD, 0 INT, 254 yards 145.7 Rating) or week 17 v. Dallas (3 TD, 0 INT, 346 yards, 136.7 rating). What he did week 4 v. Arizona and week 14 v. Dallas was also arguably better, since neither had a pick-6 and he carried them back from multiple-TD deficits.

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by rich316 on Jan 13, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions

my mistake then

it was still one of his better efforts, especially considering the late drive for the tie

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by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions

A Packer fan is an expert on Eli's best game..... SMFH

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions

his big brother is maybe the greatest QB of all time, certainly top five

he plays in New York City (technically Jersey, but whatever).

And he won a Super Bowl by beating an undefeated team with a last second touchdown drive.

Those reasons, plus he’s become a pretty good QB as well.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions

If You Look At the Fact Eli Out Performed Rodgers

True Passing Yards is the amount of yards the ball travels in the air. when you look at the numbers adjust for true passing yards Rodgers is not in the same zip code with Eli (2,958, 8.3 YPC, 5 YPA) Rodgers (2,233, 6.5 YPC, 4.4 YPA). Rodgers depends on the his recievers, Eli depends on his arm.

by RAW on Jan 13, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions

not sure you're going to win that argument after what cruz did this year

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by rich316 on Jan 13, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions

These are the Stats with Run After The Catch Subtracted

with run after the catch subtracted Eli is 725 yards better than Rodgers and he has 8.3 YPC v Rodgers 6.5 YPC. That is the stats there is no argument

by RAW on Jan 13, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions

If you don't believe that Rogers is an incredible deep-ball thrower, I dunno what to tell you

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by rich316 on Jan 13, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions

ESPN says Numbers do not Lie

Eli has 18 pass of 40+ yards and has a 42.6% compleation percentage when passing 30 plus yards that 10% greater than any other quarterback including Rodgers. I did not say he does throw a good deep ball I just said the performance say Eli is better.

by RAW on Jan 13, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions

well, as long as you're not just regurgitating talking points...

ESPN says…

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions

What exactly are you trying to argue here?

That Eli throws downfield more? That GB has better receivers after the catch? or that Rodgers is better at throwing his receivers open?

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by Bezerkers on Jan 13, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions

This was Not the Year of the QB, It was the Year of the Reciever

Run after the Catch is all about the telent of the reciever and todays rules. It has nothing to do with the quarterback. Watch the flim, if the defender is in the right spot the best crossing route is not going to account for 52% of a teams passing yardage. Reciever are not going have have 900 recieving yards and have 400 of the yards come from run after the catch because of the quarteback. It is because of them. If the run after the catch was so great Montana would have hit the 52% mark in the 1980’s. At his highest with Jerry Rice he was at 30%. The quarterback today would never be talked about being the best ever if there YPC through the air was not 8 or above. That is just plain crazy.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions

Oh my God you really don't know anything do you

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by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions

I have Forgotten More Than You Will Ever Know

Way do you think they use west costs offence, way was it invented jurk? Because the quarterback cannot throw the vertical pass. Read Bill Walsh book you might learn something. He explains how it works and way Parcells was the one who shut it down.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions

so you have dementia? That sucks dude

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

Rodgers can't throw the vertical pass?

Check. No argument here.

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by Tepo6688 on Jan 16, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions

That explains why you know so little.

By the way, are you from the UK?

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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions

This is the 1242th time you have posted this...

SUPER BOWL CHAMPS

by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 13, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions

…and what does that stat tell you? Nothing really. The game is about performance on the field not nominal stats.

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by TrevorR on Jan 14, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

Did You See To Day in The Game What it Tells You

The Bill Walsh/Joe Montana 49ers invented the offence that the Packers use they had a losing record against one team, the Bill Parcells Giants. What Parcells learned was to tackle the receiver were he caught the pass and the offence implodes. It throws off the timing and takes away the dependent variable, the run after the catch. If the quarterback is not a pure passer, which Rodgers is not and you force them into a vertical passing game 9 out of ten times they do not perform. That is way KC know what to do to the Packers Romeo was on the Parcells staff.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions

What language are you speaking?

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 15, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions

LOL!!!

OH man, you HAVE to be a reincarnation of R4F.

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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions

Looks like you'll be pumped for a long time..

Because that playoff win is a long way away lmao. Arrogance you guys had before the beatdown was great!!

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 16, 2012 9:13 PM CST via Android app up reply actions

13 > 7

The so-called ‘arrogance’ (in reality, pride), is more than justified, and no, it’s not gone because of one game.

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

arrogance? I would say you guys had the same arrogance coming over here and talking crap all week.

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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions

Looks like ours was warranted...

Yours…..not so much. I wasn’t one of the arrogant posters this week. You guys on the other hand had a poll on margin of victory. Not whether or not the Pack would win, margin of victory! Welcome back to Earth and enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions

meh…it doesn’t come post game. Both teams were in the playoffs and had a right to think their team was going to win. If you can’t see that you are either blind or an idiot. I’ll let you make that call…

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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

C'mon, Trevor.

He could just be an asshole.

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by Tepo6688 on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I've been accused of both lol...

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by bleedblue12 on Jan 18, 2012 1:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions

So what you're saying is..

that again, you go to another team’s home and call them arrogant after YOUR fans initiated a whinefest? I swear that you Giants fans are the most obnoxious, arrogant, and naive people on the planet. That’s right. You’re from New York. You think your shit doesn’t stink. Forgot about that one. I’ll have to keep mental notes of that. Check. Got it logged. Thanks bro.

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by TXPackerBacker on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions

joel'sjock

Biased, yes! I was at the Giants-Packers game last December. What I remember of Eli was he was in interception throwing machine. While a little improved this year I expect the same. He has to carry it on his shoulders this time. I just don’t see him doing it. AAron Rodgers MVP.

by joel'sjock on Jan 13, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions

I agree

9 picks

by brisulph on Jan 13, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

I guess I should explain why he will have 9

really it works out like this:

=Eli is always good for 1 stupid INT, and since it is play-offs, multiply that by 2 (since mistakes are magnified)

2 INTs so far

=Eli had 6 INTs last time he was in Lambeau… he will remember this, and it will weigh heavy on his mind for two more

4 INTs so far

=Charles Woodsoon

5 INTs so far

Eli always has a pass tipped up for grabs for another one

6 INTs so far

At this point they are down by so much, Eli regresses into a scared rookie and just flips the ball directly to the nearest Packers defneisve player

8 INTs so far

Finally, Eli throws a good pass, but someone has pushed Jerry Reese out of a blimp overhead, deflecting the ball, which is guided by the ghostly hands of Vince Lombardi and Reggie White, coming to rest in the hands of Aaron Rodger, who despite not being on defense (or on the field), the play continues, and he proceeds to shine his Tebow Aura (henceforth known as the Rays of Rodgers), incinerating Eli into a pile of ashes, which he kicks about the field with general indifference to the murder he just committed, scoring the ball at the gun to make it the final score of 135-0 (the scoreboard will only show 99-0 though, as everyone knows from Tecmo Super Bowl that the score does not show any higher than that).

9 INTs and a dead QB

by brisulph on Jan 13, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs

So funny you mention the blimp. :-)

And I have that same Rodgers/Tebow feeling myself.

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions

Rec'd for this alone.

Rays of Rodgers

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions

How Many Did Farve Have?

Yet he won did he not?

by RAW on Jan 13, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions

Favre ain't Rodgers.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions

Why do you always your username as your subject line?

and, seriously, joel, why do you think we need to know about your jock?

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs

Reason Rodges Does not Have Many is the he does not Throw Down Field As Much

Rodgers average pass only travels 7.1 yards in the air Eli like Favre average pass travels 19.1 yards in the air. The Pack change its offences after Favre left and went to Pure West Coast. The level of difficulty went way down.

by RAW on Jan 13, 2012 5:39 PM CST reply actions

lolno

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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 13, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions

No, because Eli does it the hard way, he's a better QB.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions

Do You Know What a Degree of Difficulty Is?

What is hard to do throw a 6 yard pass or to throw a 20 yard pass, to compare apples to apples you must adjust for degree of difficulty. To find the degree of difficulty you regress the numbers and determine a beta. You multiply the percentage by the beta and know you are comparing apples to apples. That is how it is done when you do stats for an NFL Personal Department.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions

Wait, wot?

Now this is damn near getting to R4F levels. I hate to see what’s coming next

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by P-Townfan on Jan 13, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

What have we done to you Giants fans to unleash this virus on us!?!?

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by TrevorR on Jan 14, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

Have you ever watched the Packers play?

by MikeDB on Jan 13, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions

Yes and I see Defenders Missing Tackles

Than the reciever runs for 20 yards. Just like Rodgers or Manning have nothing to do with catching the ball once they throw it, they have nothing to do with running it after the catch. Way should they be credit with these yards as if they throw the ball to the spot were the reciever is tackled?

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions

then why should Eli be credited for the fact that his receivers actually hold on to the ball, and the Packers receivers drop 9 passes in a playoff game?

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by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions

pst…almost half of Eli’s yards in that game were yac.

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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions

The same can be said for most quarterbacks, most of the time.

Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?

by FrankWyt on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 AM CST up reply actions

I agree…but RAW is making the point all over about Eli leading the league in deep passes and how that separates him from all the other QBs.

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by TrevorR on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

According to RAW

only Rodgers gets YAC, that’s where all his yardage comes from. Eli’s a deep ball bomb thrower who never misses.

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by TXPackerBacker on Jan 25, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions

I think most people here who've read RAW's post there

Kind of just smile and go to the APC OTs, where the insanity is a little more fun and done by us instead of rival fans.

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by P-Townfan on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions

19.1?

Are you just making up numbers? The reason Rodgers doesn’t throw as many is because he makes smarter throws. Btw, the INT he threw in the Giants game this year was because the defender screwed up and was in the wrong position, plus at three others this year were because the ball bounced off a receiver. I can only think of one INT this year that was a mistake by Rodgers.

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by Bezerkers on Jan 13, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions

Just wondering:

Rogers is really really good at not throwing interceptions, regardless. But have you noticed whether he has had good luck this year with defenders dropping potential picks? I just ask because a big reason Brady had only 5 last year was because he was having ridiculously good luck with DBs just getting hit in the chest with balls and not coming up with them. Whenever you see a guy with only 6 interceptions, it begs the question to what extent luck has to do with it, just because the league is filled with playmakers who can beat even the best QB from time to time, not to mention the interceptions that happen to every QB through no fault of his own, like tipped balls and bad route running. That being said, he could be just that good.

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by rich316 on Jan 13, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions

no actually, I remember only one case of that, but it was that the defender couldn't get his feet down

on the other hand 3 of his 6 ints were dropped by Packers receivers before being caught by a defender

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by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions

It really is ridiculous how secure he was with the ball this year.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions

It's funny

I remember some interview either early this year or over the offseason where he was asked about his low turnover numbers. His answer was something to the effect of “I don’t really like turning the ball over, so I just, y’know, don’t.”

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by Tepo6688 on Jan 14, 2012 3:08 AM CST up reply actions

He really hasn't put the ball in danger of being picked

The Urlacher pick vs Chi & Elber Mack int vs. TB was probably his worst two throws all year.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions

Dropped interceptions was more Favre's trademark.

I swear defenses would drop 2 for every 1 they picked off.

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by Bezerkers on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions

Ro DDDDDDDDDDDDD gers

SUPER BOWL CHAMPS

by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 13, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions

Who's Rogers?

"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."

"We're nobody's underdog!"

"We don't play scared!"

After further review,
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by NorthStarr on Jan 14, 2012 2:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

The Detroit draft bust who loved weed more than he loved football?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 14, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions

He’s the guy playing Eli Maning this week.

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by TrevorR on Jan 14, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

Only 52% of Potential Turnover are Converted

According to Sports Stats on average only 52% of turnover are converted. The other 48% of the time the team maintains possession. That is what made Vick look so good in 2010 he was converted only 17.9%.

by RAW on Jan 15, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions

DEEP BOMBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!!

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by Wiedmann on Jan 13, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions

C'mon now

We all know who the true master of the deep pass is

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by P-Townfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

Nice post

I will quibble with your statement about not being sold on the quality of opponent the Giants have beaten in the last three weeks.

All good teams. Now you may be thinking what about the Jets, they are less than good. Well, they did enter our game on a three game win streak and it was most certainly the beatdown the Giants gave them that sent them into the downward spiral to self-destruction.

If you are not impressed with the quality of opponent, fine, but you can’t say the wins were not impressive. Look at the final scores:

Vs. Jets 28-14
Vs. Dallas 31-14
Vs. Falcons 24-2

All beatdowns.

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 8:11 PM CST reply actions

yup, the last two were definitely real impressive wins.

I watched the whole game against the Jets though, and I would say it’s a colossal stretch to call that a beatdown. That game was tight the whole way until the last couple minutes, and the Jets outplayed them in the first half (although Cruz saved it with the ridiculous 99 yard TD catch and run)

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 13, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

You are right, it was tight until that 99 yard TD

That broke the Jets back. And their will. After that it was all Giants. Which is typical of their season, playing their best, late.

That was basically the game to determine “who’s house it is” and who was going to get a shot at hosting the first playoff game in the new stadium.

Of course I was very happy with the outcome. :-)

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by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions

well even if the Jets had won

The Giants have always been and will always be the big dog in New York

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 14, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions

bottom line

Eli sucks. All he does is throw interceptions. He is not fit to tie Rodgers’ shoes.

Today’s matchup is a foregone conclusion. Congratulations on your inevitable Super Bowl victory.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 11:47 AM CST reply actions

Very mature. But I would expect no less at this point.

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by hawks61 on Jan 15, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions

whaa?

I’m trying to congratulate you guys! Seriously. Rodgers is the greatest Qb to ever play. Eli looks stupid all the time. I think you guys are going to beat us today, and beat the 49ers, and win the Super Bowl!

I will be too butthurt to come back and congratulate you later, so please accept my congratulations now.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

Not sure if finally seeing light or just trolling.

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by Wiedmann on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions

seeing the light

you were right about everything. NFL officials are among the best and they got every call in that game right. The better team won that day, and the better team will win again today. Me complaining about calls that were absolutely right is just silly.

Congrats on the win.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

Hey, Simms.

When the Giants lose today, delete your APC account please.

Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.

by Tepo6688 on Jan 15, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions

but I want to follow a good team, the team that's going to win!

you know, the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

So, when the Packers inevitably beat the Giants, can’t I just switch and become a Packers fan?

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions

No

GTFO

Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)

by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 15, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions

darn

it’s just so hard rooting for a team you know has absolutely no chance.

Oh well, I understand. Enjoy your super bowl win in a few weeks.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions

This was the worst quality trolling I've seen in awhile.

Step up your game.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

considering how he posted this before the game....

it ends up being the best trolling i’ve ever seen. How’s that crow taste?

by NYG_Slater on Jan 16, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

You seem pretty mad for some reason.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

He mad, bro.

Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)

by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions

Do you still think

Eli is nothing more than a game manager in the playoffs?

Perry Fewell Stinks!

by GMen56-11 on Jan 16, 2012 11:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

He played against the Packers D

…so, yes.

Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)

by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd

Though the D didn’t actually play that poorly but didn’t get any help from the Packers offense.

by Max Schwager on Jan 16, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions

lol

u guys are like philly fans.“Eli is a game manager!” “Eli is servicable.” even after defeat, when you have a chance to reflect on how idiotic your statements were you fail to recognize the obvious….you can’t spell elite without eli.

by NYG_Slater on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions

...because he's not elite.

Very good, yes. Elite, no.

Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)

by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe its a sign…when every other fanbase says the same thing about a guy, maybe its time to listen??

The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010

by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions

haters gonna hate?

most of the guys on NFL radio think he’s elite.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

Are you gonna defend Eli's penis size also?

You are damn near there already

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE

by P-Townfan on Jan 18, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions

well we've already had a guy disparage Mike McCarthy's 'cock management skills' on another thread

I would not be surprised

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 18, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions

Disagree…not the radio guys I listen to at least. You must be listening to radio guys in NY.

The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010

by TrevorR on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions

Sirius NFL.

Madden, Schein & Gannon, etc…

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the 49ers.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 25, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions

Schein is the only opinion listed that I could care about at all. I love that guy and his totally unexpected voice. So SOME radio guys think he’s elite, many still do not. This year helped him a LOT in that quest but this is the first year he’s put up truly elite numbers (IMO). We’ll see if he can keep it up. If he can then we talk some more.

That said, I think your team is going to beat the Pats…

The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010

by TrevorR on Jan 26, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions

In my opinion, Eli Manning is the best quarterback in the NFL

Brady has had a better career, but give me one right now, and I’m taking Eli… he has more years left and continues to improve.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 PM CST reply actions

Good God you guys better pray you beat SF

Can I go over to BBV and gloat after your team loses? I think I might.

When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE

by P-Townfan on Jan 16, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions

i would never gloat.

I love my QB, I think he’s incredibly good. Sound familiar? You think the same exact thing that I do,

Rodgers is amazing. But, to me, small sample. Eli is clutch, he’;s precision, and I think he’s the best QB in the NFL. Just my humble opinion.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions

Not only are you a complete fucking loser,

but you’re also delusional to the point of institutionalization.

2011: A wasted year

by Tepo6688 on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions

Just saying. The Giants better win...

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions

lol id still probably take rodgers

younger and mobile, but it would be close. When u you consider what Eli did this year without steve smith, kevin boss, a shitty o-line and new wide recievers (cruz)….the guy is pretty special. keep on hating guys.

by NYG_Slater on Jan 16, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions

looooooololololol

football does not build character, it reveals character.

by sheehan on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions

I happen to agree...

Rodgers is great when things are going good. Give the two adversity, and I’ll take Eli Manning every time.

FIRE Perry Fewell

by bleedblue12 on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 AM CST via Android app up reply actions

3/10 for 45 yards when pressure is applied...

Guess who that was…

Look Eli is a good (I don’t care about the semantics of good vs. great) QB. We get it. Rodgers is just better. We don’t care anymore. You can go be arrogant with the 49ers fans now.

That dog just won't hunt.

by Bush League All Star on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs