Shocking Loss: Green Bay Packers Upset By The Giants, 37-20
by Brandon on Jan 15, 2012 7:19 PM CST
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The Green Bay Packers defensive had its usual poor performance. Poor coverage and not enough of a pass rush led to a big game for Hakeem Nicks (165 yards, 2 touchdowns) and the Giants had 422 yards of offense. The two long touchdown passes to Nicks in the first half were especially embarrassing as Charlie Peprah failed to wrap up on one tackle, and the defensive backs failed to knock a Hail Mary pass down in the end zone.
The defense had been giving up yards, while forcing turnovers this season. However, they only had one interception by Morgan Burnett, and it ended up having no effect on the game. While the defense didn't help much, it was the offensive struggles that lost them it.
Aaron Rodgers had a respectable 264 yards passing and 2 touchdowns (plus 66 yards rushing) but that wasn't quite up to his usual great standards this season. His one interception was a meaningless pick in the final minute after the Packers were down by 17 points. Throughout the game the offense had missed opportunity after missed opportunity.
At least 8 drops by the receivers. Several receivers (Finley, Nelson, Crabtree, Starks, Grant) all had drops, but Finley was the only one I recall having multiple drops. He also missed a wide open catch early in the fourth quarter that could have kept them in the game. No single one of these lead to the loss, but it's almost impossible to have that many missed opportunities and expect to win.
Three fumbles. The first one was by John Kuhn (after the Burnett fumble) and it lead to a Giants field goal. Later, Rodgers had the ball slapped out of his hand just as he was about to throw a touchdown pass to a wide open receiver. Then in the fourth quarter, when they were only down by ten, Ryan Grant fumbled after a first down reception and it led to another Giants touchdown shortly thereafter.
Missed touchdown passes to Greg Jennings. On the Packers first drive, they settled for a field goal after Rodgers missed Greg Jennings by a couple yards when he was wide open. Then on the Rodgers fumble, Jennings was released uncovered but Rodgers couldn't get the pass off before it was knocked out of his hand. And the final one was a pass into the end zone into tight coverage, but the ball did go off his fingers.
In both losses this season (to the Chiefs, then the Giants) the offense was disrupted by turnovers and drops. It only happened twice this season, only once at home, and it couldn't have happened at a worse time. The Giants played hard and deserved to win the game based on their offensive performance, but the Packers offensive struggles were more self-inflicted then anything else.
Unfortunately the offseason is starting much earlier than I expected, but the team just completed a 2011 year in which they won a Super Bowl and only lost one game. They deserve credit for an outstanding 15-1 season, and I expect to see them playing for the NFC Championship game again next year.
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From Dynasty...
to Die Nasty.
Hate my life! But we’ll march forward…
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I was at the game, so that sucked haha
Oh well, need to remake the defense because it’s pathetic. Probably shouldn’t play for home field advantage anymore either, better off playing in domes
I am too drunk to taste this chicken.
by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 15, 2012 7:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This is how I feel right now
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I feel ya.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Jan 15, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We at BBV wish you guys luck and we again are sorry for the lost of Philbin’s son Michael.
by Giantstep on Jan 15, 2012 7:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks...
Take you at face value and I’ll assume you are not a troll…
lot of trails with fake politeness in the other thread to only turn around and act immature…
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I also second this
No trolling from me! I’ve been on the receiving end of too many games like this to want to!
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ditto from BBV
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Deion Sanders makes a good question...
He sees talent and five or six probowlers on Defense… how can we be dead last on yardage….
something is just not right.
Don’t know if I agree with that…
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Capers didnt do his job very well...
Been his MO for most teams.. His D’s start out fast and fade. Not saying fire the guy, but something aint right… Same happened to his other D’s! Kinda ignoring his history.
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Interesting observation
I still stick with the 3 balls given to the giants offense inside the 40 — failed onside, the Antrelle Rolle fumble recovery, and the dagger from Grant’s fumble… that really skewed the defensive performance
OH and the boneheaded Peprah play! sheesh…(actually Peprah was also partly to blame on hail mary too)
I don’t know, need to think about it more…
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Just sayin...
Its Capers D. Pure and simple! And his MO in the past has been to be excellent the first year or 2, then fade quickly when it should be getting better, NOT Worse. Said it on another thread too… Capers comes in and is able, for some reason to improve Dramatically in years 1 and 2, then start to fade when they should be getting better every year.
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Turnovers Man
The turnovers gave them alot better field position than we got in the game. Also, no pass rush due to the departure of Cullen hurt his schemes. Since no one was getting close, the secondary gets hung out to dry.
by Pack Fan from ATL on Jan 15, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Thats one game...
This is a problem that plagued the D all year. Say what you want about rankings, and I agree they are skewed somewhat by the offense jumping to big leads and they did force turnovers, but at the same time, they didn’t get stops when they needed too! Did they Packers even have one 3 and out against the giants? I don’t know, but last year it seemed they got turnovers AND forced alot more 3 and outs and alot more punts in general.
The D just wasn’t as good! And I really don’t care to hear about any excuses! Great teams don’t make them, and I as a fan won’t make them! If you wanna thats your perogative, but its not mine!
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The D had back to back 3 and outs in the 3rd
But I agree the D wasn’t good enough this year.
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Saints fans
Certainly feel your defensive pains…
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by cajuncreation on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
gotta agree..
a few third and longs on the opening drive and couldn’t get oof the field until they were in FG range. Usually thats good, but stil..
The numerous thrid and longs the opposition converted all year was very disturbing..
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We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
His D has regressed alot
Maybe he tries to get too cute with his plays? Because our DB’s seem to get confused alot.
it's the way the defense "evolved"
All freaking year, they’ve played Tramon and Shields 8-12 yards deep. The wr’s haven’t had to fight many jams and have been able to get into their routes without any sort of tampering.
If you notice the top defenses hit the freaking wide recievers in the 5 yards and play tight and tough.
We played the exact opposite, which is great for getting tip balls, misthrows, and misroutes; however, it predicates a lead. which we were mostly able to have this year.
This is why we were “comfortable” with giving up 350 yards a week in the passing game, becuase we had 3-4 turnovers a game and were up by 14 points.
But we couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down and couldn’t get pressure on the QB. Our blitzers all seemed to run straight into the nearest blockers and never found their way home.
In the end, it was a total failure on the defensive side. . . but it was only made worse by the putridness of our offense today.
by Nels Winkler on Jan 15, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Who changed the D?
Its still Capers D to command. And his D played poorly most of the year! Why were the CB’s playing 8 yds off when last year they didn’t?
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because there was no pass rush this year and they didn't wanna take the chance of getting beaten deep
football does not build character, it reveals character.
He watched too many Badgers games?
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
this is true
everytime he goes to a new team, it seems like their defense improves tremendously in the first couple of years, then plummets after that
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Personnel
Losing Jenkins and Collins hurt the defense more than what Capers could cover for. Peprah was a liability all season and Burnett doesn’t have the chops to cover for his partner’s weaknesses like Collins could. Having no pass rush threat opposite Matthews let teams slide pass pro his way. This nonsense about Capers’ losing his touch is fault finding when we should give the Gnats credit for gaming the Pack successfully and then pulling it off. The Gnats have the personnel on defense forcing Rodgers to put the ball in spots that his receivers couldn’t get to or couldn’t always corral the ball when they got there. The Packers left the middle wide open gambling that Bish or Hawk could get to Manning before he could make a play. There were throws that Manning had a good 7 seconds and at least three looks before the ball was off. Revis can’t cover that long.
Who cares about yardage? Packers PPG allowed under 20,
good enough for middle of the pack in the league. Why don’t they focus on that?
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 15, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
If your happy w/ 19th anything...
Your not expecting success! No excuses…
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by Strohman on Jan 15, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Again, yardage generally equals greater time of possession which equals less Rodgers on the field. The defense not being able to get off the field on 3rd down plagued us all season long. As long as they’re playing that way, we’re not going to win another SB.
We desperately need another pass rusher.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah…how did that work out for us yesterday. I think those of us that expressed concern over this D all season were justified today.
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Played Like Crap!
Didn’t deserve to win, don’t deserve any accolades… Only player that really showed up today was Rodgers! Everyone else, as far as I’m concerned was rusty or distracted. Pure and simple they were FLAT and lifeless! No excuses… They need to accept that they lost and move forward! Don’t wanna hear anything otherwise! Played like Complete Crap! IMO…
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by Strohman on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Rodgers and Driver...
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Agree...
he actually played VERY well…
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Morgan Burnett made some plays
I didn’t watch close enough to see if he also made a bunch of mistakes.
Rodgers, Burnett, and Driver all had decent games
but Rodgers did miss a couple throws that he usually makes, but he also made a bunch of good ones that went uncaught
Seemed like Driver was the only receiver out there who really wanted it today
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Rodgers missed a couple throws.
But he MORE than made up for those by putting his body on the line w/ the 1st down runs he had. I thought Rodgers had alot more heart today than anyone… Driver showed pretty well too. But he might have realized it was his last game for the Packers. We’ll see about that, but its My opinion!
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I agree completely, he played as well as any QB could be expected to play under those conditions
behind a line that was not protecting him and receivers who were not catching the ball, he sold out for it today. Not many of the other guys on the team can say the same. Clay also looked like he was giving it, so did Burnett, Driver and Starks, but past that a lot of guys came up with far less than their best effort and it really hurt today.
But that being said, he did miss those two throws, and we’ve come to expect perfection from him throwing the ball.
I don’t think they would have made the difference though, knowing Finley he probably woulda dropped that one anyway if it was on target.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
We were beaten in all aspects of the game. Our offense didn’t execute and gave the ball away. Our defense couldn’t make stops (though pulled it together for a stretch in the second half only to have our O crap on that opportunity), and our special teams played like it was last year. Just a terrible game. The Giants deserved the win.
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This is unreal
You guys have been joined to us at the hip for years now.
In 2006, Sean Payton interviewed for the head coaching position at Green Bay, but you hired Mike McCarthy. So Payton took the New Orleans job instead, and what happened? He brought the Saints to the NFC Championship game, and lost.
The next year, you went to the NFC Championship game, and lost.
Then, in 2009, we went to the Super Bowl and won. The next year, you went to the Super Bowl and won. Meanwhile, we were one-and-done in the playoffs. So the next year—today, in fact—you were one-and-done in the playoffs.
I’m making a prediction here: next season, Green Bay will win one playoff game and lose the second. And pay close attention to what happens in New Orleans, because that’ll be your 2013 season. (I’m hoping you win Super Bowl 48.)
And for what it’s worth: everyone in New Orleans knows exactly how you feel. Tomorrow will be a little better. Hang in there.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
by MtnExile on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I guess that means...
when we finally meet in the playoffs, the Mayan prophecy will be fulfilled
Or something…
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
So we can trade SuperBowls?
I’m cool with that.
One more "joined at the hip" coincidence....
Saints fans have been assuming we would be playing each other for the NFC Championship. I’d bet most of you thought the same. But, instead, neither of us will be there.
Oh well, there’s always next year.
Well said
tough to accept defeat when almost everything was self-inflicted; only real outstanding play by the Giants was Osi’s strip saving a touchdown. Turning point of the game was that two-play sequence of failing to tackle Bradshaw trying to run out the clock, then giving up a hail mary, which I think is the new 4th and 26 to me.
That said, we have a great team and should only get better after the offseason.
the Giants did pass protect very well
but that’s probably more because of the ineptness of Green Bay’s pass rush.
Also, Eli made every throw he had to make, and his receivers caught every ball that hit their hands.
that last point was arguably the biggest difference today. That and turnovers.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Tough Game Fellas!
Things got heated this week between all of us. Fans of both teams, but that just goes to show how great this rivalry can really be. I wish you guys luck in the offseason and well see you next year. It was great chatting, debating, and shit talking this week.
I got banned from Jests Blog for saying Chad Henne has better stats than Mark Sanchez. And they think they're the big brothers in this town? LMAO try again little sisters!
Let's Go Giants!!!!
haha...well said...
yeah some of you went overboard, some of our guys as well. You have a smart, engaged fan base over there.
Good luck against the Niners
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Doom and Gloom
This was a crazy year, a crazy week and there was a lot of opportunity left on the field. But the team will be back next year and I think they will be stronger than ever. I expect a defense heavy draft and better performance next year after a full offseason.
The 8 drops and the three fumles
stick out like a large throbbing sore thumb…
Two key plays, the miracle hail mary and the WIDE OPEN Jennings miss…. 14 point swing decided in seconds….
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The play that pisses me off the most in this game is the Ryan Grant fumble
that pretty much sealed the win for the Giants
The wide open Jennings touchdown passes
Those were the two I’d love to have had. They were right there for the taking. And the last wide open Finley drop. I don’t know what to do with him since he’s so droptastic.
That last one was a terrible throw by Rodgers. Finley was wide open.
can’t put that on Finley, he barely got his fingertips on it with one hand
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by sheehan on Jan 15, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The reason the pass was off was because Finley slowed down coming out of his cut.
Rodgers threw it to the spot Finley would have been in had he gone full-speed the entire time.
Not a drop, but not Rodgers’ fault, either.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 15, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t know. Finley was absolutely wide open. Maybe what you said was the case but Rodgers still has to put a better ball on him. For Finley to have to completely lay out to try and catch it isn’t good enough.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, um... Rodgers kinda shit the bed on that one
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 15, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
why? not until after the 2012 super bowl, man.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 15, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
Obviously it was a crapshoot all around, but you always remember the play that officially ended it.
It’s frustrating because we still had a chance at that point (after playing like crap the whole game) and then fumbled it away.
On Wisconsin!
That sealed the win
Especially since he didn’t need the extra yards.
But the plays that killed me was at the end of the first half. You know they are going to run, and you let Bradshaw pick up 30+ yards and get OOB? And then you give up 7 on a hail marry pass?
Yeah, those plays summed up the game for me. Charlie Peprah’s Steve Atwater impersonation left something to be desired as well. Dude, did you not learn anything from the LeGarrette Blount run, wrap up….
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Oh my god was that horrible
Where have you ever been taught to tackle by shoulder chucking someone? I seriously want to know where he learned to do that.
The play that pissed me off the most was the play right before the Hail Mary
Giants were happy to run out the clock on go into halftime up by 3. What do we do? Call timeout, then allow a huge run and allow him to go out of bounds setting up the Hail Mary. That was awful.
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The Play That Pissed Me Off was the Unsportsman like on Osi
I hope you guys can admit that you got 2 very bad calls by the refs that led to your 2 TDS. Start giving Eli credit he is as good as Rodgers or any other quarterback in the league. I too Hope your offences coach and his family find peace with there loss. I know they will never get over it, I just pray they can find peace.
You still complain about calls when you win?
What, you didn’t win by enough? Eli had a good game. It does not change his position in the pecking order of QBs in the league. He’s very good, but he’s not as good as Rodgers, Brees, Brady, or Peyton.
by Ben T on Jan 15, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Isn't that like, the New York way?
they’re never happy with what they have, they always want more, and they always feel like they’re getting shafted somehow?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I know this is for Yankees fans, but I'll reserve this for all of New Yawkers. At the very least the trolls
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Jan 15, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
It's not that
It’s just, had we lost, everyone would have wanted Bill Leavy’s head on a platter for that fumble that wasn’t a fumble, as well as the hits that Eli would take to the helmet or after he’s thrown the ball, not like a late hit, but if you compare it to the one that Osi got a penalty on, then the Packers should’ve gotten a handful of those calls. But what’s done is done, Giants played great, everyone on the Packers didn’t show up except for Rodgers and Driver, good luck in the offseason.
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Man im gonna miss Driver
My all time favorite Packer. Whenever we have had issues on the offense, Driver always stepped up for us. This playoff game he stepped up, and against the Eagles last year in the playoffs he stepped up big for us.
Regarding the possible fumble by Jennings, it came way early in the game. Plenty of time for your team to come back from that. If you guys lost, it would not have been because of that fumble. Funny thing is, I don’t hear any one else talking about the fumble Cruz had earlier against the Cardinals anymore. If it was called a fumble, as it should have been, you lose that game and quite possibly don’t make the playoffs.
idk.
if the giants win the super bowl, he’s got to be mentioned in the same elite class as those guys you mentioned. which sucks, because i can’t stand eli manning.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 15, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Eli would be up there with such Super Bowl winning QBs as
Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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a game manager?
he’s a bit better than that, i’m afraid.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
people need to stop dismissing him
he is one of the best QBs in the NFL, deal with it.
He’s not Aaron Rodgers, he’s not Drew Brees, he’s not Tom Brady, and he’s not his brother, but he’s about as good as any QB in the league besides those 4 and that’s not bad company
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If You Want to Put It That Way
All week you guys were talking about how great Rodgers is and that the Giants were Eli to Cruz. I was trying to not rub it in. But since you want to talk like that get real Rodgers is not trhe Great QB you think. When 52% of your passing yardage comes from run after the catch and your 5 yard pass get credit as 20 you are not a great passer. The only reson it look like you were in the game and the only reason you were in the December 4 game was bad calls. You guys better get use to it, now that people know you shout down the recievers from running with the ball you shout down Rodger your going to see a lot of it.
rodgers was the best in the league
at passes 20+ yards down the field..im not one of those thats gonna sit here and argue with u ..the giants beat us fair and square..but if ur gonna come here and try to rip our qb get ur facts straight..
Yes, it must be that everyone is wrong,
and some random guy that calls himself RAW is right, and Rodgers isn’t really very good after all. Do you even watch any other games besides the Gints?
raw is war, man.
that’s just science.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 15, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
because your argument was nonsensical, so why would anyone on here take you seriously?
Aaron Rodgers played better than Eli Manning today. He made several throws that Eli could only dream of making. His offensive line did not get the job done like Eli’s did, and his receivers, aside from not being wide open like New York’s were, dropped almost 10 passes.
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by sheehan on Jan 15, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sorry but...
Played better than Eli? Made several throws that Eli only dreams of making??? Come on haha, that’s terribly false.
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did you see how wide open the Giant receivers were, and how much time Eli had to throw the ball
Rodgers threaded the ball into tight windows several times, although many of them went uncaught (like the one in the endzone by Jennings).
Eli was not making those kind of throws.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
When 52% of your passing yardage comes from run after the catch and your 5 yard pass get credit as 20 you are not a great passer.
Eli’s TDs were when a CB fell over and the WR ran it in with a billion YAC, and a loopy Haily Mary bomb that Charlie Peprah sat back and watched for what seemed an eternity – if that were Ed Reed, that would’ve been picked off.
Eli, better than Rodgers? Hah.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
..and a loopy Haily Mary bomb that Charlie Peprah sat back and watched for what seemed an eternity
Yeah, what in the world was he doing?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
The time out was dumb
I was wondering why they did that
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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There were quite a few moments like that for him, really. I think Collins’ injury proves just how good he is — and maybe just how not good Peprah is. He was a step late all season long.
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by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Funny how he thread the needle to mario on the TDD huh. Between the backer and Cb you guys fools now. I understand it hurts but come with facts.
if you think that Eli Manning is even close to as good a passer as Aaron Rodgers, I just don't even know what to say to you
sorry
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by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how Eli would look
If his pass protection broke down on more than 60% of his attempts, his receivers drop 9 passes a game, and his team coughed up multiple fumbles.
And you know what run after the catch is gotten from? Good ball placement. And I guess Eli wouldn’t know anything about YAC, because none of his relievers go for 99 yard TD receptions on broken tackles.
Or go for 67-yard TDs when the Safety tackles the CB.
or when he lobs up a Hail Mary and the three DBs in the area all congratulate the WR with a big post-catch hug.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Our O-line hasn't been that great this season
They played well today, but it’s mostly because of the Packers redundant pass rush. Eli’s O-line this year has pretty much been breaking down, he just gets the ball out before he gets hit.
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Eli as good as Rodgers?
Not a fucking chance! Eli is a top 10, probably about 5-7 in the NFL, but Rodgers is as good or better then any QB in the game today! Lets not go overboard w/ the Eli greatness. Your just being absurd!
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by Strohman on Jan 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Cocaine's a helluva drug
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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by P-Townfan on Jan 15, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
5-7?
I’m really disappointed with no one here giving Eli any credit.
1-3. Brady, Rodgers, Brees – no certain order
4-5. Both Mannings. Who knows how Peyton will be after 3 neck surgeries.
6. Stafford
7-10. Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Newton
11. Roethlisberger
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The future is looking bright boys.
switch Stafford and Roethlisberger, and put Rivers in with the Mannings
then yes
football does not build character, it reveals character.
LOL @ Stafford being ranked below Ryan, Newton, and Romo
What's so funny 2011 Lions? Gordon Bombay doesn't think losing is funny.
Leshoure = 2012 Beastmode
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Great game...
Good luck next season. Two great franchises battling for a spot in the NFC Championship. This can end up being a yearly dance!
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by bleedblue12 on Jan 15, 2012 7:32 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I think so...I think we'll recover...
I hope we don’t go the route of Falcons, who got killed in a similar fashion in the div, round
I think they overreacted to correct errors and may have mortgaged their future
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
If we "overreact" by drafting 75-85% defense this year
It won’t be an overreaction
by Danwood on Jan 15, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I was thinking the Julio Jones
you know, trading away a first next year like they did…
then again, TeD Thompson doesn’t strike me as the “oh my god sky is falling” type of guy…
if anything, he may undershoot when it comes to changes
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
Right
What I meant was that the Falcons DID overreact because they thought they were one receiver away from the promised land. If we were to “overreact” to our sieve defense then I wouldn’t call it an overreaction.
We don't have Jerry Angelo at the helm
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or Ted Phillips.
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by hawks61 on Jan 15, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
don't need to worry about that
TT is steadfast, he won’t deviate.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
um, we're you seeing the same game I saw?
Rodgers played like he was rusty missing passes he hits all the time
the recievers missed about a dozen balls they should have had
Our retarded defensive backs hesitated at the 10 yard line for the hail mary giving #88 no real threat to knock the ball away – at that point in the game you have 4 guys at the 5, 4 at the 20, and 3 rushing and that’s it.
we couldn’t hold on to the ball for our lives
we couldn’t stop fucking eli on 3rd down if the taliban had a machete to our child’s neck and stoppign them decided their lives
we, like the saints, played the worst games of our seasons and you’re calling it a great game??
you must be a giants fan come here to gloat.
by Nels Winkler on Jan 15, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Its what you do
Even if you dominate another team, when the game is done you congratulate each other. He’s being very respectful and saying the right things bro.
Seems wrong that a fan from the winning team can’t come in and pay respects without being labeled a troll. If he wanted to trash talk, he could do a lot worse.
by tossin on Jan 15, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, he isn't trolling.
But we have dealt with a dozen trolls already, so some people are on a short leash. Not to mention the loss.
On Wisconsin!
Rodgers made two bad throws and one bad decision
the miss of a wide open Jennings in the first, the miss of a wide open Finley in the fourth, and the short curl he tried to throw on the left sideline to Nelson in the second that looked like it was gonna be a pick-six (not a good decision).
Aside from that, he played his usual game. You can’t fault him for the fact that he was on the run literally almost every play, and his receivers weren’t catching the football.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
This proves is that Rodgers is only good because of the players around him.
/MSM
by Jedi Master A-Rod on Jan 15, 2012 7:32 PM CST reply actions
I'm sure I'll get crap flung at me for this
But both TDs came on drives extended by BS calls (non-fumble and the RTP). This offense only put up 6 yards on their own.
by Danwood on Jan 15, 2012 7:34 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think it's a bit of an overreaction...
True, they really covered our WRs well…
but I think we had scoring drives ending by us shooting ourselves in the foot too…
read: 8 drops, 3 fumbles
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I disagree on the second one
they got the number wrong, Justin Tuck did hit him in the helmet, Osi didn’t. they made the right call there.
The non fumble was a ridiculous call, Jennings was clearly not down, I don’t know what they were looking at.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I was watching the calf... that might be what made them question the decision to overturn it
by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 15, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
I think
they kept it because while he was obviously losing the ball, I don’t think it fully left his hand until right around the time when his knee hit. Definitely a “whatever was called on the field stays” type of call.
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by uofmike on Jan 16, 2012 1:16 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Best explanation yet.
As a Giants fan I didn’t like the call, but that’s all I could think too is that the ref saw the ball somewhat still in his hand, even though it was already starting to come out.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 2:44 AM CST up reply actions
What I saw
Was that the arm with the ball was moving before any part besides a foot came down, and that was clear. However, at that point Jennings still had possession of the football. Arm moving with ball in it does not equal losing possession. As far as when the ball did come out, it was close for when it came out and some part was down, be it his knee, butt, or calf.
Yeah I think it was much closer call
than Giants fans would admit. I’m not even convinced it was a blown call, even though everybody in the media seems to be talking about it today. Looking at the replay, you can’t say 100% that he had already lost possession when his shin or calf was on the ground. The ball was in complete contact with his right hand. How can a ref determine if he was actually holding it or if it was loose? Actually a pretty good non-overturn in my opinion.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Watching it live
I thought no way was he down. Even with the first replay, I thought no way was he down. But after watching a few replays, I wasn’t so sure. And looking at the replay today, I’m still not sure, it’s pretty darn close.
yeah completely agree
we played like absolute shit today…no need to sugarcoat it
by tmoneyttime1 on Jan 15, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
The good news:
1. I don’t have to spend any more money at the bar
2. Finley will be cheap as shit to resign.
3. We still had a phenomenal regular season.
4. The Bears still suck.
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by RealityIsOptionable on Jan 15, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
I hate #2
I wanted to give him big money to be a big star. Right now, I rather just let his ass walk.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
i'm leaning towards this also
he’s playing like he wants out. it’s pretty pathetic. good riddance.
by Nels Winkler on Jan 15, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'd ask Finley's big head to resign
and I’d like him to play up to his potential. Today was ugly.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be fine. Jones had the dropsies last year, but that was corrected.
Hopefully they can get Finley to hold on as well, because he’d be a force.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 15, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What happened to Jones today?
Nada?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
He had one catch. I'm just referring to the drops Jones had
in the playoffs last year – one against Philly comes to mind – and that I don’t recall that being as issue with him this year.
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by CarolinaHawk on Jan 15, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
He had a couple
But it wasn’t an issue with him this year. Unlike some others out there for us.
Right, and I'm saying Finley deserves the chance to correct it just
like Jones did.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 15, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Agree 100%
Finley just made himself cheaper, and I bet he wants to win some more super bowls. Best place to do that is here with us.
by Shoes31 on Jan 15, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we won the SB with him only playing in 4-5 games last year
so clearly we are ok with or without him, we have tons of other weapons
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Weve got other weapons
But Finley is a match-up nightmare. He can put this offense over the top.
Doesn't mean he isn't worth bringing back.
Look, I know the drops are frustrating beyond hell, but it seems very obvious that all of his drops are mental problems. We sign him back cheap, he fixes the dropping problem, we score the steal of the year.
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by Celtin on Jan 15, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm fine with that
and i think it can happen, happened to JJ after he had the dropsies last year, but it has to be cheap, he’s not currently worth the top-5 TE money everyone said he was gonna get at the start of the year
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely.
If Finley wants big time TE money, by all means let him walk. I think he may have just dropped his way into a cheap contract for us however.
On Wisconsin!
the thing is, as soon as he drops a couple again next year this same thing could start all over again
even if it is psychological, he might start to doubt himself again when he drops a few
football does not build character, it reveals character.
You are right there.
I believe he is definitely worth one more shot. If the drops start up again next year, we have a problem. It’s just that he has never had a drop problem until midway though this year! It feels like something that can be fixed.
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Jones was fairly solid this year, from what I remember
I just wish MM and Rodgers had trusted him today…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
The primary reason Jones did not drop many passes
is that he was rarely targeted. You can’t drop a pass that isn’t thrown your way.
Jones improved Dramatically from last year!
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by Strohman on Jan 15, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you say it, it must be true
No knock on Jones, but i bet you his targets were down this year. And, from what I remember, he was not counted on in very many crucial situations this year.
he had two huge gamebreaking catches in key road victories this year
against Atlanta and Detroit, and both of them were similar to the kind he made a habit of dropping last year (deep throws that hit him in the hands behind the defense)
football does not build character, it reveals character.
The fact his opportunities were down isn't really a reflection on Jones.
As much as it is that the other WR were all improved. Especially Nelson who became the CLEAR #2 WR. There’s a reason that Nelson was drafted top of 2nd round and Jones was a late 3rd. Nelson is just more talented… Jones also was thought to be long gone and McCarthy may have planned on not having Jones this year. We don’t know that for sure, but those 2 thing help explain why Jones’ targets were down alot.
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My original comment wasn't really a reflection on Jones.
The ball was not thrown his way very much, and not in many crucial situations, so he doesn’t have many drops and the ones he does have are not memorable.
What Really Hurts
We lost this game rather than having the Giants win it. Three fumbles and eight drops in your own barn? The coaching staff appeared to be unprepared, and offense played their worst game of the season. Rodgers had plenty of time to throw, but missed several wide open receivers, and was getting frustrated by the drops.
The Giants did a lot to win it, though
They blanketed the receivers very well with Jordy all but taken out of the game. We did miss some throws but they also were disruptive with their standard pass rush. The Giants clearly looked like the better team tonight, and the Packers didn’t do anything to change th at.
Interesting stat from BIll Michaels...
on the radio, both the giants and packers were 50% on 3rd down conversions…
Didn’t’ feel that way at all…
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That's because the Giants converted 4 of their first 6.
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by CarolinaHawk on Jan 15, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Probably the manner in which they were converted
Eli was throwing, Rodgers was running.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 15, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
I don't agree
Packers did a lot of uncharacteristic things to lose, but we would have survived them if the Giants had not done a lot to win.
by Ben T on Jan 15, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what game you were watching if you thought Rodgers had plenty of time to throw
he was flushed out of the pocket almost every time he dropped back
football does not build character, it reveals character.
He was probably listening to Aikman and Buck
They kept going on about how the Giants weren’t getting pressure.
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In the first
He really wasn’t pressured that much. But in the second, that OL was almost a sieve.
I think he started to lose some confidence in the receivers in that second quarter when it seemed like everything he threw was going to be dropped no matter what he did
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Yes, but...
what surprised me was that it seemed it wasn’t really heavy rush pressure that forced Rodgers out a lot of the time. At least early on it seemed more like he couldn’t find an open receiver and decided he had to get out before the pressure did get there. I was surprised at how little the Giants blitzed and just relied on the 4 man rush so they could drop 7 in coverage. Surprised at how well our secondary (which had a lot of issues this year) was able to take away Rodgers’ options. Although clearly there were plenty of missed chances for you guys. We definitely got a little lucky that your guys seemed rusty or just a bit off.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 AM CST up reply actions
Wake Up
Until we got down 17 and the pure rush was on, the line gave Rodgers plenty of game. He could step up at will, and many of the times he was out of the pocket were designed plays. Learn the game twit.
They got good pressure in the second half
And to end the second quarter. Once we were down by 10, that’s when the flood gates opened. And we were down by 10 because of the Grant fumble, and the strip sack on Rodgers when he was trying to hit a wide open Greg Jennings for a TD to make it a 3 point game. There was a disconnect between Clifton and Lang on that play that led to Osi being able to blow right pass them; he wasn’t even blocked. It looked like to me that Clifton passed Osi to Lang because Osi went inside, but Lang got caught looking inside and didn’t get his head around in time to make the block he was supposed too.
I think you mean Bulaga, not Clifton
Osi came off the right side on that play, didn’t he?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Pretty sure it was the left side
Here you go if you want to watch it. Don’t know the protection scheme or if Clifton just got beat inside, but I think Lang was late in getting over to help Cliffy.
I wasn't trying to be rude, I just assumed it was from the right because he hit Rodgers' arm from the right
you were correct, my bad yo
football does not build character, it reveals character.
again, I just don't know what game you were watching
if someone wasn’t open immediately when he hit the top of his drop, he was scrambling, because he knew the protection wasn’t going to hold up long enough. we saw it right away on the first drive on the play where he missed Jennings – the pocket broke down almost immediately, he had to escape, did, but then missed the throw. This happened all game, although it got progressively worse because, obviously, the Giants knew they had to pass when they were down late.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Thanks for the objetive analysis
I thought I saw what I saw, which is exactly what you described. I like to think I know the game and am not a twit as Phana24JG suggests.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Our future will now be even brighter
Time to man up (unlike my Jet fan brother) Pack lost and I am crushed losing to Giants the way we did. Just wanted a return to 61 and 62 and 60;s when we smashed them every year, Future is beyond bright but it hurts. We did not show up today and play, no excuses and no crying like a Jets fan
Offseason plan number 1: Ryan Grant needs to watch old Jim Brown film and learn how to run hard and look for tacklers, hit people instead of waiting for tacklers to come and let them strip ball from him, We had a chance even after all the mistakes but that was the proverbial final nail in the end !!
Especially after Starks was helping them get their composure back.
Donald Driver was an inspiration. But I think Finley and Grant gotta go,
That fumble was just so fluky.
He came so close to having his elbow down, and then the ball squirted loose. But the fact that the Giants scored on the next play was just devastating.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yes but I saw it coming
I know buI as I watched the play unfold and saw how he seemed to slow down and said oh no, He does it a lot. He either runs great and hard like the first play of the game or slows down and stops at the first log jam, Giants were poking at the ball all day on every tackle
Considering the magnitude of the game he should have held on with all his might and hit them!.
I like Starks!!!! and he was silver lining today
..or slows down and stops at the first log jam,..
This, more often than not, is how he runs imo. And it drove me freakin’ crazy that McCarthy had him out there so damn much. Starks runs so much harder than him, and does other things a lot better than he does too (catching and blocking).
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Grant
Missed on a few cutbacks today. He doesn’t have great vision.
Grant over 29
Most running backs slow down after they turn 29. Thats way Jacobs will be gone next year.
yeah Grant probably won't be back next year
they really should have leaned on Starks more today, he was dominant when he had the ball in his hands
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Starks
Starks was no ball of fire. Runs into the pile, falls down after one or two yards. I’d stick with Grant.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 15, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Grant is getting old.
I’d definitely take him back as long as he doesn’t want too much money, but I’m not sure if a contract would be agreed.
Unless you meant today. Then Grant looked better in the beginning and Starks looked better later in the game. I’m fine with them going with either one.
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did you watch the same game I watched?
as soon as they started giving Starks the ball instead of Grant, they started moving the ball on the ground in the third quarter
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Yep
It made no sense. Aside from one of the Bears games’, Starks looked better than Grant all season. The only reason I could come up with was him maybe not being 100% health wise. But he looked pretty good in there and didn’t seem to be hurting.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
And especially since we ran so many plays from the I or offset I formation. It seemed like we wanted to be able to run. If that was what we wanted it’s puzzling why we wouldn’t be using what was clearly our most effective runner all season long.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Ugh
Too many missed opportunities. 9 drops, three fumbles, a few disconnect on passes, 3 missed TD’s to Jennings, that missed 3rd down pass to Finley. We lost this game. There’s an old saying, more games are lost then won. Well, we lost this game.
Definitely self inflicted but..
Game is completely different had we not put the ground on the ball 3 times, shoulda been 4 in my opinion, not dropped 8 balls, and rodgers makes a few more throws he usually makes…just a really bad time to have ur worst game of the season..that being said as bad as the offense was our defense was horrible..not just this game but all year..they had a great 3rd quarter in this game and thats about it
The thing that bothers me is we have the players to be a good defense so what to u look to draft?? who is replaceable in you opinion on that defense? Peprah? Shields? And nobody on the d line either raji pickett are both good…The only thing i can think of is a true pass rusher we can bring in and out of the game and another db or two..but like I said the players are there I just dont know why it fell apart this year
Might be coaching
I haven’t liked how Dom has called our D for most of this year. Shields is still a work in progess, but Peprah is just a backup. We could sure use a replacement for Jenkins, and I pray that Collins gets healthy and can play again.
yea
I almost wonder if the collins loss was the nail in the coffin from the beginning..idk it just doesnt make sense to me how were top 5 last year come back with the same players and stink lol..and I agree with you on how hes called it..almost to say as if we will bend but not break..dont be too risky and our offense will get us out of a hole
Not having a good pass rush from the front 3 didn't help much.
Jenkins was missed in that regard, and blitzing Matthews on a regular basis didn’t work because teams doubled him up.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Jenkins & lack of a pass rush are on TT
He took a gamble and lost.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 15, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
In TT's defense
It was the over 30 thing that pushed it…. although there are exceptions… I wish Jenkins was one of them this year
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Loss of Jenkins really hurt us.
No inside pass rush. Raji and Matthews were doubled consistently, leaving others one on one. The other players just couldn’t win those. Good blitzes could help, but Capers really hasn’t blitzed that much this year it seems like. And those 3 man rushes are god awful.
A three-man rush of Deacon Jones, Reggie White, and Jack Youngblood would be awesome
unfortunately, Capers thought that we had them on the DL instead of Raji, Pickett, and Wynn.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
The Packers just acted like divisional weekend was halloween
and dressed up as the mid-’90’s Kansas City Chiefs. McCarthy was doing a dead on Marty.
But in all seriousness, the fact that we won the Super Bowl last year, softens today immensely.
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Yeah
Most of the time the super bowl champ missed the playoffs. At least we got in. Still a major disappointment to go 15-1 and lose our first game in the playoffs.
all gravy
After last year I could not have been prouder or happier. They did what noone else could have, after all the injuries etc. No team has ever done THAT and I do not mean the wild card run. The whole season!! Future will be just as bright but yeah it really hurts especially who we lost too.
by TundraBoy on Jan 15, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Futures bright
But this season will leave a sour taste in my mouth for a while. Just like some teams I’ve played on, we could’ve went a lot farther.
That's not true...
70% of Super Bowl champions make the playoffs the following year.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Really?
It seems lately that that trend has reversed. Must just be the Steelers being inconsistent.
I think it was the team that lost the Super Bowl
that often missed the playoffs the following year.
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Not for me. Team was 13-0 headed into Kansas City.
At that point, anything other than a Super Bowl championship is a disappointment. They split their last 4 games.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 15, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
A few questions going into the offseason:
1) We obviously need to improve our defense, but are we ever going to see Nick Collins again? How should we draft if he can’t play again? Should we move Woodson to FS and draft a stud CB? But we definitely need some more pressure on the opposing QB…ROLB? DT?
2) Rodgers got hit A LOT this season….we must improve the Oline. Clifton is old. Is Sherrod a bust?
3) Run game? Sure, we got to 15-1 without much of a run game this year but it didn’t even show up today and we will need it to win in the post season. Is Grant still on the team next year? Is Alex Green good enough? We barely got to see him this year.
4) Finley. Drop after drop after drop…..he should not be expecting max numbers next year.
5) Matt Flynn is gong to be a FA. Should we pull a Cassel and franchise him hoping for a #1 pick?
#4 and #5...
Finley was awful..for all his great moments he had double the amount of bad ones..if he demands top money let him walk..the worst part is he acts like a big time receiver with the way he talks and dances on the field but hes not..if we let him walk and draft a TE i have confidence rodgers will turn whatever TE we have into a productive one..
As for flynn I think we need to gauge the market..certainly wouldnt be a bad idea to do that but if we do it too soon or without gauging the market then the pressure is on us to get rid of him not the other way around
I think Finley will resign for alot less than he originally wanted
He seems like an ego kind of guy, and he was pissed about his drops and not getting the season he wanted.
that would be great.
let us franchise flynn…get something from the team that didn’t draft RG3 and needs a QB badly. redskins?
by shutupdrogba on Jan 15, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
skins have REX
how could they possibly want someone else? ;-)
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
The Man, The Myth, The Legend...Rex Grossman.
Wait, WHAT?!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
and
train rex (second half of super bowl)
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Answers
1. Collins returns, we draft a CB to groom behind Tramon and Woodson to be the #2. I would love another shutdown corner like a Tramon Williams. I don’t like moving Woodson to FS since we love to bring him on CB blitz. As for pressure, would like an opposite LB from Clay that could apply pressure but could play back in coverage. A DE on that side would help out more than anything. DT is Raji position and Raji has played really solid.
2. If we get offensive line bust, I want another guy that can play multiple positions on the line. Sherrod isn’t a bust. We drafted him to groom to be the future. His injury and lack of playing time can’t result in him being abust.
3. Get rid of Grant. He going to want some big money. We have Saine, Green and Starks in a dominate passing team. Let Starks have the #1 role. He has his moments where we want to ship him out but his is still young. Young backs > Older backs
4. Finley…bye. I am prepared mentally to see him leave. I am going to miss the match up nightmare. If he is willing to come back for a decent contract them I am ok with him returning. If he wants too much money, then later dude. I rather waste the big money on Clay and Raji, who makes plays in the moments we need them.
5. If the NFL allows it, go for it. I would love two #1 picks this year. Teams that need new QBs this year: Browns (4), Redskins (6), Jags (7), Dolphins (8), Chiefs (11), Seahawks (12). Pretty sure that if we throw a conditional on the pick(s), we could gain a lot of picks. 34th pick was traded for Cassel. Just make it known that we don’t negotiate with terrorists and we will name the stipulations and you just hand it over.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t like moving Woodson to FS since we love to bring him on CB blitz.
He could play FS on base packages and nickelback on sub-packages. Best of both worlds.
I’d be more worried about the lack of quality FS play. Ed Reed would’ve stopped both of Eli’s early TD passes, and probably intercepted the second one.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
True but part of me just doesn't like the idea.
Can’t really find an idea that doesn’t have an answer. Maybe its just I see the play of our CB behind Tramon and don’t like the idea of Woodson not being there.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
please give credit
Where credit is due we plain and simple beat u guys even with the clear fumble in which the refs screwed us. all i ask is give credit most said and expected the Pack to win today shower a better team plain and simple
by g-men_fan on Jan 15, 2012 7:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Learn to use a period, chief.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 15, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I think everyone
would agree that you guys deserve the credit. You clearly won. But we clearly dropped 8 passes and we did somethings that we haven’t seen all year (like Bulaga’s elbow hiting Kuhn causing the fumbe and Antrelle Rolle recovering). We had three fumbles ALL YEAR on offense…and now three in one game…
Giants played smothring defense, great tackling…you were disciplined and good.
But we are focusing on things that we can correct … that’s what we are focusing on here…
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You guys made the plays to win
You guys won by making plays and capitalizing on our mistakes. Simple as that. But you have to admit this is was a fluke game for us. We haven’t had a game with more than 2 turnovers all season, and have only lost 6 fumbles all season.
Yeah, the Giants looked good but we had 8 drops and 3 fumbles. That’s just bad football by us. Period.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Please fuck off.
You guys are pathetic.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Jan 15, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
the Giants outplayed the Packers in every facet of the game except quarterback
but Eli didn’t have to do what Rodgers had to do because he had all day to throw and his receivers were wide open and actually caught the ball.
The Giants will get every bit of the credit they deserve, there are not many teams that could have come into Lambeau in the playoffs and beaten this year’s Packers, and to their credit, they completely outplayed them.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Really?
I think Manning clearly outplayed Rodgers: 3TDs to 2, 330 yds to 260-something, Win versus Loss. Manning made the plays when he needed, too. Rodgers didn’t.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 15, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Manningham outplayed Rodgers, Eli just benefitted from that.
Throwing a basic 10-yard comeback that somehow has the CB and S fall over each other so the WR can run 60 yards, or heaving a Hail Mary that isn’t defended, doesn’t make for good QB play.
That could easily have been 1 TD, 2 picks, just by changing those two plays.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ugly maybe, but good enough to win
Eli doesn’t throw as pretty as Rodgers or his brother, but he got the job done today. Rodgers didn’t. It was his worst game of the season.
You want more stats?
Completion % Eli: 64%, Rodgers 57%
YPA: Eli 10, Rodgers 5.7
QB rating: Eli 114, Rodgers 78.5
I think that Rodgers on a good day, maybe even an average day is better than Eli. But Rodgers didn’t have a good game today.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 15, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
in fairness
garbage time int really skews the passer rating and ypa skewed big time by a couple huge plays..also dont forget the 5 first downs he got with his feet..that being said eli got the win thats all the matters..i still take rodgers any given day tho
Completion % Eli: 64%, Rodgers 57%
YPA: Eli 10, Rodgers 5.7
QB rating: Eli 114, Rodgers 78.5
Completely changes if you consider the 10 dropped passes by Rodgers’s targets.
Same as if you made the Hail Mary a pick, like it should have been.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to get the sense
that you didn’t actually watch the game. If you did, then stop relying on the stats and use your eyeballs. Rodgers didn’t have a great game, but he was one of the only Packers players who came to play today.
by Ben T on Jan 15, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
yes, if you just look at the stats
if you watched the game, you saw how much time Eli had in the pocket, how wide open his receivers were, and the great catch that Nicks made on the hail mary.
you also would have seen Aaron Rodgers running for his life most of the game behind horrid pass blocking, his receivers dropping 9 balls, and him making several throws into tight windows that Eli simply does not make (like the one to Driver after he scrambled away from pressure to his left, or the one to Jennings down the left sideline in the endzone in tight coverage, which Jennings dropped. He also rushed for about 70 yards.
Contrary to popular belief, the QB can not actually control whether or not his receivers catch the ball, or how well his pass protection works (though they can manage that to an extent, if your line is getting beaten consistently by a 4 man rush there’s not much a QB can do about it – which BTW I credit more to the outstanding pass rush the Giants have than to poor O-line play by GB).
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Statistics aside
It was clearly his worst game of the season. I saw the dropped balls. Some of them were on him.
The Giants played Rodgers well and he wasn’t good enough to overcome them. A month ago in NY he did it. Not today.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 15, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
some of the dropped balls were on him?
what a ridiculous thing to say
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 15, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He probably should have said some of the missed opportunities were on him
Rodgers was clearly not as pin-point accurate today as he normally is. I think maybe 3 of those missed passes I would put on him but the rest for sure on his receivers. And then of course thank god for Osi. He definitely saved the Giants 7 points on that strip-sack.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:13 AM CST up reply actions
Well, maybe, but,
if he meant missed opportunities, then he should have said missed opportunities.
But, what he said was,
I saw the dropped balls. Some of them were on him.And, I agree with Sheehan that that is a statement to be ridiculed.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
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After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 16, 2012 4:45 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I can agree with that, he missed throws that he usually does not miss
in particular the one to Jennings and the one to Finley
football does not build character, it reveals character.
You guys have a solid team.
Don’t feel bad. This was not an easy win for the Giants. Don’t look forward to seeing you guys anytime soon.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 15, 2012 7:58 PM CST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
Thanks and you will now we have two games to exact revenge for!!!!
Good to know there are normal classy G fans left
Saw some of the trolls on your game threads.
Embarrassing for us. Classless gloating, etc.
I’ve added a few posts here and there, trying to maintain a constructive, objective approach (I just like to talk football with smart fans). Was hoping I wasn’t breaking etiquette by trying to be involved in your blogs discussion so soon after a heart-breaking loss.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:21 AM CST up reply actions
You're okay, NYSoM
This
(I just like to talk football with smart fans).is why I like to go around visiting all the other teams’ sites whenever I can, especially during the offseason.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
I second that.
It was one of those nights when nothing was going to stop the Giants. GB just drew the short straw…
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 15, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
They played like shit today. The defense was pathetic as usual. How do you give up 70 yards to a team that has 40 seconds and 1 TO left? Peprah looked especially bad today. He basically just stood there on the hailmary TD, he let Bradshaw outrun the angle he had on him to set up the hailmary, and then he blew that tackle on Nicks. Not too mention he was really late getting to several plays. I’m praying Collins is back, and if he isn’t then we gotta get a safety — cause Peprah ain’t the answer.
Anybody else baffled by the 10 yard cushions our CB’s always give too? How many times did Eli just throw it out to Nicks who got a free 5-7 yards? Two or three? What happened to us playing almost all press man? Looked like a few blown coverages again today too, which I really don’t get. I was kinda nervous when I heard Capers is a HC candidate for the Raiders — now I’m thinking losing him really wouldn’t be a big deal.
Just an absolutely terrible game. Rodgers was the only guy who really showed up on offense, and even he had some pretty bad misses.
Fire Slocum
The 10-yard cushions were especially stupid on 3rd and short situations.
There’s simply no logic to them. You might as well give up the first down…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
No time outs left. Wood looked slow out there, took some bad angles and missed some key tackles. Time to move him to Safety is now it seems if Collins doesn’t come back.
I think Dom had our CB’s playing off alot because of the lack of pass rush. Harder to cover in man coverage for 6+ yards. But you have to try something else when the other stuff is not working. Cobb and Driver showed up as well, and Starks had a decent game (besides the drop and a possible whiff on a block).
by Shoes31 on Jan 15, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just totally disagree with him having them give those cushions. It doesn’t play to their strengths at all — especially Williams. What we needed to do was let both those guys play press man and bring some blitzes. If they get beat, oh well. It’s not like they weren’t consistently getting beat all season long when Capers was trying to do all that zone blitz BS. I don’t think he did a very good job at all with the defense this season.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well see
Here’s the thing: Capers has made his gameplans all year counting on AR and the offense to score close or over 30.
Both games we lost we scored well under that… it was the offense that blew it today guys.
Here’s the thing: Capers has made his gameplans all year counting on AR and the offense to score close or over 30.
That’s a flawed strategy if you ask me. It resulted in a whole bunch of soft zones all season, which allowed any and every QB to absolutely tear us apart. And on top of that, it took our two best cover corner’s out of what they do best — which is man up on guys.
I think Capers saw how weak our pass rush was and decided he was going to just sit in zones all season long — or at least that’s how it seemed to me. But is it better to play zone or man behind a horrible pass rush? For the Packers, I think we woulda been better off just playing man. It’s what our secondary really excels at. And all the zones sure did seem to result in A LOT of blown coverages.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe Capers felt vindicated by the fact
that the Packers generated so many interceptions. Of course, giving up a TON of yards in every single game with the zone plays was and still is annoying…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
But why wouldn’t we have had those INT numbers playing primarily man? We still had a bunch last season, when we generally played mostly man.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Williams strength
…was getting in the receivers face and going mano-a-mano…like a minni Al Harris. The cushions really surprised me as well. I called them out during the game thread. so did OBrien.
That could be one of the big difference between this year and last. Tramon was simply not Tramon.
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It is
Capers was just playing the odds. Big time offense + No pass rush = just don’t give up big plays and you win 98% of the time.
by TXBearmeat on Jan 15, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Except for we probably gave up more big plays than any other team in the league this season.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
this
can’t play as tight coverage when you have no pass rush, because if the QB has long enough to throw someone will get open for a big play against press man
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I hate seeing Wisconsin give 10-yard cushions on 3rd and shorts,
I hate it even more when a D with Green Bay’s talent more or less gift-wraps opposing teams first downs with stupid positioning.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with Tramon not beeing Tramon...
I remember cursing him at least three times during the game, including one of the TDs… If I’m not mistaken, Hicks beat him badly a couple of times…
by Lucas Lima #52 on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully the offseason will cure that...
And talking about injuries, it’s just sad that we had pretty much our A-team on the field today and played so badly… Except for Collins, everybody was there,…
by Lucas Lima #52 on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
I think the corners have to give those cushions because there's no pass rush
if they improve the pass rush from the front four, they can start playing press man on the outside and will just be more effective overall. This should be by far the number one priority this offseason.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I guess I take the opposite stance on that. I feel like if you let Williams and Shields bump them and re-route them at the line that it will disrupt their passing game even more, and maybe help your pressure get there.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
but if the QB has all day to throw, like Eli today, someone will get beat deep for a big play most of the time
I also think the loss of Collins had a lot to do with it, because they didn’t trust Peprah nearly as much to help out in coverage over the top
football does not build character, it reveals character.
but if the QB has all day to throw, like Eli today, someone will get beat deep for a big play most of the time
I get what you’re saying but this still happened to us when we’d play zone.
Too me, you’ve gotta put your players in a situation where you think they’ll best succeed. I don’t think having the CB’s play 10 yards off and in zone is that.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 15, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, true
It certainly didn’t work effectively. I just think that was the reasoning behind playing that type of soft coverage.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 8:13 PM CST reply actions
Good game Packers fans
Sorry for some of those trolls. Don’t represent our fanbase
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 15, 2012 8:20 PM CST reply actions
Thanks man
We know, just a few individuals that have no class. Good luck in the NFC championship game.
Random Question...
How do you think Favre reacted to our loss?
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
Yes
I’m sure he was happy as a clam. Especially against NYG.
I really don't know
I don’t think he has any real hate for the Packers any more. He might be a little happy because he felt his legend was in jeopardy, but that’s it.
in some real. comfortable. jeans.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 15, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Packers had success against Eli when they blitzed and put pressure on him making quick decisions.
Bump and Run would help the pass rush bc the corners would throw of their routes and timing with the QB. Defensively I don’t think we played as physical as last year. Lot’s of missed tackles. Did thought we played well in the run today except the Jacobs game ender.
Skip Bayless
At least Favre took the Giants to overtime in NFC title game. ARodg lost at home in divisional round by 17. Blow to legacy. Tomorrow I want to hear all the ARodg lovers — that means YOU, Stephen A – tell me how their guy is better than Tom Brady. Absurd.
Did he not realize that Farve also lost that NFL title game because of the INT’s? And was Rodgers responsible for the dropped passes and 3 fumbles? Did Rodgers play defense? And who has Brady beat in the past 3 years? One playoff win the past three years, and it came against the Broncos! Brady has failed at home for the past few years in the playoffs and got to beat on an over-matched Broncos team.
He's just deflecting
Becauase his guy got spanked by 40
by TXBearmeat on Jan 15, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What a dumb a$$
Yeah, since Rodgers dropped 9 passes, and Rodgers blew all those coverages and missed all those tackles. Whatever.
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ridiculous...
Clearly Giants>Broncos…
And Rodgers played VERY well in lots of ways.
We’ll see how Brady against the Ravens…
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I think we'll see another high flying offense go down to a great defense next weekend...
My SB prediction, Harbaugh V. Harbaugh…24 -17 Niners. NFC will win this Super Bowl, again.
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by cajuncreation on Jan 15, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Those niners are absolutely for real
football does not build character, it reveals character.
sure are
Knew the D was lights out, but I couldn’t believe how well A Smith played.
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pulling for them to win the SB, personally
them or Baltimore
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Baltimore!
On the surface I would say SF, but I do NOT want them to be even farther ahead of us in total SB wins! I know its not counting the NFL Championships, but I still want the Packers to have more SB’s than any team!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
mehhh, more total titles is bigger IMO
and it would be nice for them after such a down era, and vindicatin for Alex Smith who’s been ridiculed for most of his career.
I’d love to see him redeem himself with a SB win.
But I’m also a big Ray Lewis fan, so I wouldn’t mind seeing him get another ring either.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Heard a rumor
That if Ray Lewis won it all this year, he was going to retire. Ed Reed is getting to that point also. Man image if they win it all then have to rebuild losing Ray Ray and Reed.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I want it all...
More NFL Championships AND more SB’s than any team! Leave no doubt in ANYONE’S mind who the best Franchise is!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
by Strohman on Jan 15, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
We are the best
But we should be better.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Baltimore for me!
Mostly because they have always been my (very very distant) second team because I’ve always respected Ray Lewis.
On Wisconsin!
That, and
I do NOT want A. Smith to have as many Super Bowl wins as A. Rodgers.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Well the Saints D is ranked near the bottom of the league
I’m expecting a nasty defensive battle next Sunday.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:31 AM CST up reply actions
Bayless Once Wrote A Story in the Dallas Morning News
He stated that LT, Reason, Banks and Carson did not rank in the top 100 of Linebacker groups all time. I think Carson and LT put them in the top 100 by themselves. So do not lissen to him, he is a fool.
We just love ripping on him
Unfortunately, the people he “debates” with really don’t know how to debate and attack his arguments.
That's shocking...
any linebacking crew with Lawrence Taylor is instantly top 100 in my book…
He is just someone that says something outrageous to get mentions/views…
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Did this guy just imply that Rodgers isn’t as good or better than Brady because Rodgers just got beat by the Giants?
Does he not remember that the Giants ended Brady’s perfect season in SB XLVII, or that Brady had his home winning streak snapped by the Giants earlier this year?
I’ll take AR over TB any day.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:28 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, Bayless is an utter tool
He has a man crush on Brady, Tebow, and Favre. And due to that man crush on Favre, he has an intense dislike of Rodgers, even though he won’t admit it. The stuff he says is hilarious, which shows why he is the laughing stock of real NFL analysts and journalists. His facial expressions when he doesn’t agree with what someone is saying is also hilarious.
I would love to see Brady try to do anything against the type of pass rush Rodgers was under last night
he would fail completely, as he always does when his line doesn’t give him ample time
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Guess you didn’t see the 07 Giants Pats reg season and SB games or the 11 Giants Pats game huh.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Jan 16, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well
’07 reg season game was kind of before that D really started to step up and get on a tear. SB XLVII, Brady was under constant pressure, and if I recall, they only score 14 points and lost. The ’11 game, the Giants D was not nearly at full strength or playing like it is now, but still limited Brady to 20 points in another loss.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Crap
I don’t know why I keep typing XLVII. I obviously mean XLII
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
you mean the Super Bowl game where he put up 14 points? that one?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Yep
I’m done watching football for the year
I'm too much of a football fan
Not to watch or care about the rest of the season.
I agree that it will be hard knowing what could have been.
On Wisconsin!
Well 2 great offenses and 2 loses
We at CSC share your pain
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 15, 2012 8:31 PM CST reply actions
Thanks
Terrible end to a great season.
If you had told me beforehand that GB would lose a shootout, I’d have believed you. But if you had told me we’d turn it over 4 times and the offense would not produce, I’d have laughed…
Un. Frieken. Real.
Man
This weekend was weird. 3 out of the 4 games were decided by turnovers. That’s crazy.
yeah
if you continually squander scoring opportunities you’re generally screwed
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 15, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
haha yea
coming into the game i thought rodgers feet would negate the pass rush (which it did) and wed stop the run game (which we mostly did) and I thought those were the keys to the game..but to lose by 17 at home the way we did..im right with u on that one buddy
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 15, 2012 8:34 PM CST reply actions
Saints fan feels your pain and still feeling ours
Everyone that predicted the both of us in the NFCCG, didn’t happen. And I wanted the 2 best offenses going head to head in a high scoring battle. And it didn’t happen. I guess the “Defense Wins Championships” still stands.
We both had terrific seasons with a disappointing ending. Who can predict anything in the playoffs? Not much. Always enjoy blogging with you guys. You’re a class act.
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Hey Jricky
Great having you again. I really thought you guys were much more game than us. You on the road facing a really good D, came back from a 17 point deficit to take the lead late…
But isn’t that strange. I also had us penciled in for a rematch of week one…the NFC season would begin and end with us.
Was not meant to be…
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Brother I hear you
I’m still exhausted from that game yesterday. One of the most thrilling playoff games in a long time. And they sure did fight hard the whole game. Putting up 32 points against the number 1 defense including “Five Turnovers” was pretty epic.
If there’s anything I want for 2012, is a frigging defense!!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
if either of our teams
step up on defense LOOK OUT lol
Hell yes 34
With the 2 best offenses, add defense in the mix. Unstoppable! God I wish The 9ers defense could play for my team!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
Maybe Saints-Packers should play anyway
Sort of a consolation match, just to see. Should we have it a Lambeau or the dome?
How about both Ben-T
2 games would be epic in both areas
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It's a deal
We’ll do the first one next week in the dome to upstage the championship games. Then we’ll do the second one at Lambeau the morning of the Super Bowl.
by Ben T on Jan 15, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Consider the deal closed
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
Thought it was gonna be your team and ours fighting it out
in the NFCCG….. friggin’ sucks
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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That’s exactly what I wanted man. It does suck and wasn’t meant to be. The Giants are a strange team. When they’re cold they are bad, when they’re hot they are hot.
I will say this: Those 49ers are the real deal.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
49ers/Ravens Super Bowl?
That’s what I’m gunning for now
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
That would be wild... I'd watch it
Hell, I’d even watch the Madonna halftime show if that happened.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
49ers need to sort out their protection issues
They have given up a lot of pressure on Smith, and the Giants will certainly take advantage of that.
Agreed
And depends on which Giants team shows up. You never know with the Giants
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
How Is This One on the Defense?
By any measure? Exclude the hail mary as a statistical anomaly. We give the Giants three extra possessions on turnovers, we don’t extend drives…
by Tiny Felder's Flip Shades on Jan 15, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions
Of course the defense wasn't the only problem.
The entire team sucked today. But if you think that some blame doesn’t fall on the defense, you’re kidding yourself. No pass rush, consistently giving up yards, letting Ahmad Bradshaw run for 40 (or however many it was) yards to get them in Hail Mary range when they obviously we going to run, giving up a Hail Mary, absolutely crap tackling. Both the offense and defense looked bad today.
On Wisconsin!
by Celtin on Jan 15, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This.
The point is that the offense had 2 off games all season, and the defense wasn’t good enough to win either one of them on its own.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 15, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I could die happy if I never saw another Hail Mary actually fuycking work.
Trust me I know. Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Atlanta did that shit to us all the time
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
I had low expectations for the defense
But they didn’t make any plays in the game. Giving up nearly 40 points shouldn’t be consider a win.
we never saw a giants punt, did we?
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 15, 2012 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
Once I remember
Their first drive of 2nd half. Only 3 and out also I believe.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Two
First 2 drives of the 3rd were both 3 and outs with a punt.
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The one I remember was a good one...
Punting from inside their 30, Weatherford got the ball around the Packers 20.
let's put it this way
if the defense had played this poorly in the playoffs last year, the only game they would have won would have been Atlanta, and they wouldn’t have been able to get there after losing to Philly.
The offense isn’t gonna win every game by itself, 37 points is a lot to overcome in a winter playoff game
football does not build character, it reveals character.
and I know that all playoff games are played in winter, I meant in cold weather
football does not build character, it reveals character.
hard to exclude it as an anomaly
when we give up a 30 yard run before that..and 7 points is 7 points idc how they get it it hurt all the same
Here's the thing:
We fumbled 3 times.
We dropped about 10 passes.
Rodgers missed at least 3 wide open men, one for a TD.
Does this suck? Yes, it does. But let’s not open a vein. This is a very good team. This year virtually every player on our defensive squad played worse than they did the year before. This year we have an offseason program, and Ted can get some reinforcements in as well. The 2012 offense should be just as good as the 2011 edition, but even if their a little worse they’ll still be good enough to win a title.
And there is virtually no way the defense is this bad again next season.
We’ll be back.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 15, 2012 9:05 PM CST reply actions
exactly
now imagine us with a defense..20 points isnt a bad number to get in a playoff game..37 on the other hand..but i agree we will be around for awhile
The tough thing is...
We had a defense last year… Remember all those game ending INT in the postseason, also Raji pick-six…
Ok, we lost Collins and Jenkins, but most of the guys still were there and just couldn’t deliever.
by Lucas Lima #52 on Jan 15, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Do you know?
It’s pretty tough to get to where these two teams were. Don’t take it lightly because it doesn’t come along. The Packers are one of the few teams that plays with class in this league. Good luck next year.
Looks like someone had a few during the game.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
hell of a game fellas…hate playing the packs but deff respect them. on to san fran
by old man strahan on Jan 15, 2012 9:20 PM CST reply actions
good luck, that defense is a scary unit they've got over there. should be a great game.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Their front 4 is scary...
… the rest is pretty pedestrian.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 15, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you think their linebacking corps is pedestrian?
are you kidding me? It’s far and away the best in the NFL
football does not build character, it reveals character.
It’s far and away the best in the NFL
Agreed! Those 9ers D line are stingers. You will feel their hits for a long time
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
I'm not sure how you have a "front 4" when they run a 3-4, too
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, it's the front 7
and it’s by far the best in the NFL, with a solid secondary behind it (good but not great).
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Chill out...
… I thought the comment was intended for the Giants, not the Niners.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 16, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
I misidentified the team that the comment was directed to...
… and I’ll just ignore the fact that 3-4 teams rush 4 on most downs.
"fortunate, but also lucky"
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Tell that to Capers
It seems like most of the times we go to a 3 man rush as our standard.
Yeah you are going to be facing a tackling machine out there
But you guys have the road warrior mo-jo going… I think you take it…
Still not totally sold on Alex Smith…if you can’t contain Rodgers, should contain Smith too.
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
Yeah Not so Worried about their O
as I am of their D. Definitely should be a defensive battle but I think the Giants have the better chance of breaking a big play or two that will hopefully be the difference.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:38 AM CST up reply actions
do you think those Giants
are just THAT KINDA TEAM
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
He wants us to bow down to the new god, Eli apparently
Yeah, you guys won, but Rodgers is still the better QB.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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HI I LOVE YOU
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'd love the bus driver that hit him.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 15, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Seriously, how miserable are you, you sack of shit?
Did you just get laid off, so your house is going to be foreclosed upon, so you have to rob a 7-11 but something will go wrong and you have to shoot the clerk, so you’re going to death row, and this is literally your last moment of happiness in your wasted shell of a life?
2011: A wasted year
you're batting 1/6
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Last moment of happiness?
Okay, if that’s the case. Enjoy your trolling.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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no trolling here
all class. wish you the best. tonigjt’s outcomne was incoinceuvabel
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
And now you're trolling the English language.
Have you no shame? It’s done nothing to you.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
I remember the last time he was here after a game,
when he was drunk crying to us about the refs. Seems like he might just be a drunk.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 15, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn that PBR
Always messing up someone’s spelling.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
I got something for that....
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
by P-Townfan on Jan 15, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Waiting for somebody to go DN
And block!
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
at first ...
I read that as “Did you just get laid”….
We know THAT didn’t happen to him in a while lol
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
We played a horrible game all around...
The only ones who seemed to bring it were Rodgers, Driver, and Jennings. I’m not trying to make excuses, because they were clearly out played by the Giants, so a big congratulations to them, but I wonder if the Philbin tragedy had a bigger impact than anyone thought. That said, I’m still pissed off. Especially since that asshole guaranteed it! I hope the 9ers kick their ass next week.
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 15, 2012 9:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
And Cobb
The kid played great at the end.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Well, 4 beers later I don't feel so disappointed,
so here’s my take:
1) The run before the hail mary was the turning point in the game. It was a complete lack of execution after the Giants had telegraphed what they were going to do and was completely inexcusable.
2) The defense was bad, but their play was made worse by the mistakes on offense. At least six drives were stalled by turnovers, drops, or missed passes and that means a lot of points were left on the field and a lot more pressure on the D to hold.
3) The Giants capitalized and for that I tip my cap. Its a bitter end to a very good season, but it is what it is.
4) It may be the homer in me, but I still feel this team is on the rise and will contend for the foreseeable future which makes this loss a little easier to swallow.
One of the things this defense is missing...
is the ability to rush just three or four and cause enough disruption/pressure to allow our very good and opportunistic secondary to do things. Plus,it would give us so much more unpredictability/flexibility
The shocking thing about the big hail mary play and the outrageous Bradshaw 26 yard run before that was Peprah. He took a horrible angle on Bradshaw, allowing him to go out of bounds. And it was Peprah (notice a pattern?) who failed to wrap Nicks up for that 66 yard TD.
IN this pass happy league, you need a Safety with the quickness, speed and depth to cover lots of ground. Peprah is more of a Bigby minus the dreads… We really missed Collins…
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
final score aside, rodgers is better than eli
And the packers top to bottom have to be considered
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
Unfortunately, It's the nature of the game
Here’s the best player in the game who had played at unseen level for over a year. Unfortunately, he had an off game at the worst moment.
Possible bailouts – great defense, great running back, great coaching – are something that this Packers team doesn’t have. We have no safety net if Rodgers has an off day.
Now, i ripped the NY Giants all week but they came prepared and with a clear gameplan. They were not overwhelming, but just like in a tennis match they held serve and waited for us to commit errors. And we had way too many, drops and fumbles. So, Giants, I tip my hat to you and offer a big apology. The win was well deserved.
I would like to thank the Packers for a great year plus of football. This was one of the best stretches I’ve ever witnessed.
We’ll be back, hopefully hungrier.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 15, 2012 9:42 PM CST reply actions
couldnt agree more
just one of those days..i do think overall coaching has been good during the run we went on but def i think the giants outcoached us in this game during the game and in the gameplan aspect of it all..i think ur first points about the lack of d and running game are more concerning to me going forward if rodgers has an off day
Yeah that 19 win run was pretty special, eh?
The reason we lost this game…Yeah first and foremost, the Giants played really well. Discipline, hard tacklers, no mistakes from what I could tell…
Rodgers did have a bad game, but not all his fault…He showed lots of grit running the ball
I thought this year was saw lots of guys blossom. Rodgers established himself as MVP, Jordy Nelson broke out. I thought Desmond was headed for the probowl before his injury. Lots of good young talent with Cobb, Green, Gurley, DJ Smith, etc…
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
The Packers
are the class of the NFC
tonight was a fluke
"I like to win all the time, so all the time I play with myself."
i agree
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 8:20 AM CST up reply actions
Giants got so lucky the whole game.
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"Eli done gangsta'd the NFL" -Deion Sanders
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by jp2y on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It was a fun ride and the future looks good.
I think it’s OK to say I feel better about the future than fans of most of other NFL teams do.
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by Zundar on Jan 15, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yep
when favre retired if u told me within 3+ years we would have 3 playoff appearances a 19 game win streak and a superbowl id be pretty damn happy..that being said i expect big things after watching this team play this year..which makes tonight hurt a little more
by packers34 on Jan 15, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Same here
Well, I knew we’d be great with Rodgers when I saw that Dallas game in 2007, but we just lacked it today, big time. Giants came to play and our receivers had stone friggin’ hands and noone could hold onto the ball. That front 4 was getting pressure all day and they were playing better coverage than I thought. Even though it pisses me off, the Giants were better than us today, and hats off to them. And I hate to sound like a Cubs fan here, but I guess wait until next year
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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thing is, he didn't even play that badly
he missed two throws that I saw, to Jennings and Finley.
aside from that he was either running for his life, or having the ball dropped after he put it on the money
football does not build character, it reveals character.
thats what i was gonna say
look at the statsheet and its a decent game..however were used to him lightin it up lol
I got the feeling
He wasn’t seeing the whole field today. I don’t know if there were open receivers and he just missed them, or if there was excellent coverage by the deep safeties, but there were no deep passes. A few of 15 yards, but none really over 20. Gotta force them to respect the deep ball.
Well there were the two obvious misses.
The TD he overthrew in the 1st Qtr, and then the blown coverage that Osi bailed us out on with the strip-sack. But I was surprised by the coverage too and how that often forced Rodgers to scramble, instead of the pressure. When the Giants are healthy, that is what this team is designed to do. Get pressure with just the front 4 so we can still drop 7 into coverage. It’s a huge advantage on D. The blown coverages and the big plays we were giving up a lot during the regular season have been disappearing the past 4 weeks now that everyone is pretty much healthy.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 AM CST up reply actions
I believe the stat is
that when Osi, Tuck and JPP have all played in the same game together the Giants are now 5-1 in those games.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 4:05 AM CST up reply actions
How long are you gonna keep the deadly trio?
Didn’t either Tuck or Osi want a trade at the beginning of the season?
Osi wanted a new contract
He got a big six year (I believe) deal that was heavily front-loaded. So now the tail end of the deal he feels underpaid, even though the average yearly compensation of the contract is respectable (and that’s our GMs stance on not reworking the contract). Personally I think Osi is being a prick. He got all his money early and now he doesn’t want to honor the tail end of his contract.
On the flip-side, I love the way he plays and what he brings to this D. They really are missing something when he’s not there. I wish our GM Reese would give him a new contract because I want him to stay. But I think Osi still wants out because he thinks Reese lied to him about restructuring his contract or giving him a new one. In a recent interview at the end of the season, Osi already hinted that he wouldn’t be around next year.
Although he is still under contract for 1 more year, so the Giants could just play hardball again and say play, you’re under contract. But they may explore trade options.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting
Thanks for the info and for wading through this mess to answer the question. Hopefully you guys can keep him, because that rotation is fierce!
You're welcome
I think it will be hard to keep him. He thinks he deserves top DE money (and he’s probably right – although the sheet on him is he’s a situational pass rushing specialist who can’t stop the run). Giants have cap issues. Probably can’t afford to pay 3 pro-bowl DEs. I think best option is to trade him now when his value is high (we were looking for a 1st round pick in pre-season and nobody bit), rather than play hardball and force him to play for 1 more year and watch him walk as a free-agent with nothing in return.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be as upset if he left
if we can get a 1st round pick and turn that into a stud O lineman (our biggest weakness right now in my opinion).
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the props.
Now that is a classy post. Sorry for the drunken douche-troll. He gives our collective fan base a black eye. Or is that, our fan base a collective black eye?
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:54 AM CST up reply actions
Real classy
I made a comment about SF and got hammered
"I like to win all the time, so all the time I play with myself."
The Packers beat themselves on offense
drops and fumbles did them in. And the Giants beat them on defense. That is all there is to it. Could they have won otherwise? Sure, they did earlier this year. But they didn’t today when it counted. The defense is worse than they were in 2009. Any one notice how these great defensive coordinators have awful defenses? Gregg Williams, Dom Capers, Cunningham, Bellicheck. Seems like all reputation not based on reality.
Could we have played any worse? Don't think so...
#1. Hope we let 88 walk… Potential doesn’t mean shit if you never live up to it! He may be a match-up night mare… But, I would rather have a team player that can actually catch the ball!
#2. 25 Should be gone too… One good run a game does not a RB make… Especially when he can’t block or hold on to the ball…
#3. Don’t get me started on the defense… Sorta hope Dom gets the Raider Job…
#4. Feel awful for Coach Joe Philbin… Very sad… Even tragic… But, what was his son doing on the river at 2am on very thin ice???
#5. Are we going to Franchise Tag Matt Flynn and trade him? I think we should… I’m not as up on this stuff as some of you… but, I’d hate to let him walk and just get a comp pick…!!
#6. We went 15-2 and I feel like we went 0 – 17 right now… Like we accomplished nothing at all… I know we had a great year… Just completely crushed right now…
#7. I guess tomorrow I’ll start thinking about the combine and the draft… Just disappointed we couldn’t finish!!
#8. No more whining… Looking ahead to all the changes that are going to inevitably come…
#9. Hoping for 49ers Vs. Ravens… NFC wins again… I HOPE!! : )
#10. Hope TT brings his A GAME THIS OFF SEASON!!!
GO PACK GO!!!
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GO PACK GO!!!
#4 is out of bounds...
I refuse to start thinking about the combine/draft till around March
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
#4....
so real life gets in the way of fantasy life aka sports… lost touch with reality?
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
#4??? No... I really want to know the story???
I seriously want to know the story? I haven’t heard what happened!!?? Or how it happened… I meant no disrespect at all!!!!
I apologize if I offended anyone!! Not my intent!!
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GO PACK GO!!!
- - I think the re-sign him but don’t franchise him. I could live with 3/10-13
- - I agree he should go, but I disagree with your assessment of him. He ran pretty good toward the end of the year, but I think there is too much depth behind him to keep him around.
- - I agree to a point, but there’s no guarantee that the D will improve with someone else. A lot of the problems seemed more player based than scheme.
- - Dude, really?
- - I’m growing weary of franchising him in case we end up getting stuck with a back-up making more than the starter.
- At least we ain’t the Vikings.
- - Too early.
- - Prolly not as many as you’d think. This team was 15-2 after all.
- - I could go for that.
- - When doesn’t he?
and LOL at the Bears fan Skags
talking trash. If only the Packers had beaten them in last season’s title game then they wouldnt be so superior!
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 9:54 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Believe me, I gotta put up with a LOT of Giants Fans By Proxy tomorrow, aka Disgruntled Bears fans
And I hope to God they let it go…. for their sake
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
Yeah I might kill a Bear fan
Before the game was over I had Bear fans texting me. The bastards.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Text trolling
That’s pretty low. I mean, anonymous over the interenets is one thing, but to know somebody (hope ya know them if they got your number that is!) and talk shit… ugh.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
Shit, so is my boss
I quit today, then she freaks out and convinces me otherwise. I won’t put up with it from snide customers though.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
Ask him how many Super Bowls he’s witnessed over his life. His answer will most likely be zero.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
What a maroon. Made an ass out of himself and does not reflect most of the Chicago Sports fans on SCH. They’re a good group that give and take it.
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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
I know
Been to a few White Sox games and they’ve been really, really cool people that ya can heave a beer with.. even if you’re a rival fan, and talk baseball. Bears fans though. Eh, some are okay. I don’t get those though.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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agreed..
The schadenfruede is the lowest of the low. I mean, how pathetic do you have to be to cheer loudly when your rival loses in the playoffs which your team has no part in?
I guess if thats all Bear fans have, let them have it. I’m sure I won’t get the chance to cheer a Bear loss in the playoffs anytime soon..cause they ain’t goin
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
Have to say
The Defense stepped up big in the second half. The Giants had 420 yards on offense, and 311 came in the first half. Those two turnovers in the second half killed us, as well as that missed pass to Finley and drops.
If I had to say what aspect cost us the game more, the offense was it. You can’t turn the ball over 4 times and expect to win.
by the standards the defense and offense set this year, it was certainly on the offense.
the defense played their usual game, a shitty one. The offense didn’t play to their usual astronomical level
football does not build character, it reveals character.
This is why I'm not surprised the season ended early.
And also why I think the saying “Defense wins Championships” is still valid. Not as much as it used to be though.
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In Cheese We Trust
It was probably
A better defensive performance then we are giving them credit for. We had the ball almost the entire third quarter, and only scored three points (to the Giants 0). And then the 4th down play happened, where they get the ball back at the 44 or so. If Mike had punted there, the defense could have held them to a punt I bet (they were getting confident).
Of course, we probably fumble on the ensuring possession with the way the game was going. Sometimes I think McCarthy gets to involved in the game and makes way to many emotional decisions. Gotta play smart there Mike.
It is interesting how the game played out.
I think the Giants came in wanting to slow the game down by establishing the run, but you guys pretty much shut that down. Instead, we slowed the game down by absolutely not giving your offense anything down field. No big plays. No quick strikes. If your O was going to score we were going to make you grind down the field and work for it and make you eat up a lot of clock doing it. Make you run a lot of plays and hope for mistakes or opportunities to make a play. I think the Giants did a very good job in that regard.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 4:21 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting statistic there...
…I would also add the failed 4th and 5 play….that was very much like a turnover…we gave them the ball around midfield and they quickly got in field goal range to make it 23-13 with eight minutes to go.
23 points allowed with nearly 8 minutes to go is not “catastrophic”
But I will repeat, Peprah is basically like Bigby…lacks that Collins/Burnett range that’s needed in the safety position
And we need to develop a pass rush when rushing just 3 or 4 like the Giants. That would GREATLY improve our secondary and pass coverage, me thinks…
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
But I will repeat, Peprah is basically like Bigby…lacks that Collins/Burnett range that’s needed in the safety position
I figure that’s why the CBs were rarely playing press, too – if they were up on the line and got burned, Peprah’s lack of speed meant it was going to be a TD, not a long completion. Thus, the off-coverage 10 yards back.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Out of curiousity
Are you the blogger Obrien?
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Nope, although I know OB pretty well.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, this might be the reason for all the off coverage.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
HEY YOU'RE THE GUY I LIKE
YOUR COMMENT IS IN MY SIG
THATS BECAUSE A;LL YOUR BRETHREN WERE SO COCKY.
anyway thats over now. and because you’re truly great i will leave pon behalf of your request. so all of acme owes you for my departure.
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
OH I FOUND IT.
Go back to Big Blue View
No more comments or you’re banned
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Good luck next year, Pack fans!
You did our division proud this year, can’t wait to play you guys next season and have another shot at ending that losing streak in Lambeau.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
good night packers fans I am drunk
best wishes to everyone in everything
football is just a game
life is more
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 10:06 PM CST reply actions
Please learn how to handle your alcohol...
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
sorry dude
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
This excuses NOTHING!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sup NS.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not me, unfortunately. :(
Meant to say
This
I am drunkexcuses NOTHING!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
No problem.
Now it is unfortunately the off-season, you can join us in APC OT!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
If you're wondering what JMike is thinking
JermichaelF88 Jermichael Finley
Put you feet in my shoes. But guess what I’m strong as hell! I’m the best at what I do. Shit! just had a OK year. But have a bless night.
Best at what you do, eh?
On Wisconsin!
No new contract
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
not even top 5
which i wouldnt have been caught dead saying before the season…really disappointing
gronk, hernandez, graham, davis, gates in no particular order
Still why I think we should let him walk
Get one of the two from New England in a few years.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Belichick won't let those two go
For years Belichick’s lusted after having a Mark Bavarro the second, and now he’s got it with Gronkowski, and he’s always loved what Dallas Clark does for the Colts, and he’s got a Clark-like WR/TE hybrid in Hernandez who also plays a bit of H-back and RB.
He’ll let Welker walk before he lets Hernandez and Gronkowski go.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
But will they waste that much money on the two for long term deals?
I know they are worth it but still.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Probably
Belichick will pay guys who play multiple positions because they save him roster spots. Gronk doesn’t come off the field (he played 66 of 66 offensive snaps vs, the Broncos) and Hernandez plays TE/WR/H-back/RB, so he’s got all kinds of value as a game-breaker.
Belichick will actually bust out his credit card for players who contribute on 100% of snaps. It’s why he’s a bit less likely to purchase an expensive RB or WR, because they (usually) don’t play or contribute on every snap.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and Gronk is a stud run-blocker, too
He really does contribute on every single snap – if he’s not catching TDs, he’s flattening defenders. He’s as productive as Randy Moss, but actually helps the run game.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Good points
I guess if you lack spending money in some areas, you could do that. Just a shame to not be able to get a chance at them.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
That was a fluke
Gronk slipped from the first-round to the 2nd round because he’d had back surgery in the offseason, and Hernandez slipped from an early-2nd, maybe late-1st round tag to the 4th because he smoked a bit of weed in college.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
"thinking" is relative...
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Best at Tweeting stupid shit?
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
by Zundar on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
??
Probably not the best day to say that, considering what Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez and Vernon Davis did this very weekend.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and Graham.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 15, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, fuck that guy.
I noticed the first thing he did after he scored yesterday was point to his name on the back of his jersey.
2011: A wasted year
can't stand when players do that
would make more of a statement if they pointed to the logo on their helmet. pointing at your own name makes you look like a douchenozzle
football does not build character, it reveals character.
At least he is confident
Gotta have that confidence J-Mike. He realizes he could have done much better, which makes me think that he’s gonna sign with us for less than what he thought he could get originally.
which is the only way
i think we take him back..discounted
We will have to take yhour word at it Jermichael
I guess we cant say you arent since you just didnt feel like catching anything all year and proving it. Testing our faith in you? Making sure we are true believers in your free agency year? Well if we believe in you, does that mean that you will reward us and put your talent where your mouth is?
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
A bit premature.
That tweet pissed me off, but it looks like he’s had some ridiculous trolling going on, and he feels awful.
2011: A wasted year
Some pack fans love to hate on him
He constantly has been RT the hate against him. Check out Crabtrees page as well.
please exit Green Bay never to return
thank you and good night.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I hope he really is feeling strong but it sure didn’t seem like it this season. He must have had some serious confidence issues or something this season. You don’t just go from catching almost everything every thrown your way to having what seemed like at least one drop a game.
I just wonder what it was that was messing with him. I can’t help but think back to the Broncos game where he seemed disappointed about his lack of activity in the offense.
Anyways, I’ll stop pretending to be a psychologist and just say I still want him on the Packers. He can be one of the best at what he does but he’s gotta work through whatever is going right now.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
My take:
1. 10 drops. Inexcusable. Can’t take away from the offensive rhythm by dropping easy catches. We were throwing wrenches in our own gameplan doing that.
2. Fumbles. I can’t believe we can’t hold on to the ball. It seemed like they addressed the problem throughout the year. Well it reared its ugly head again.
3. I thought the O-Line played a solid game. I was really impressed with the pass blocking. Run blocking has always been a mystery to this squad, but I am glad they did well.
4. It is now very apparent how much our DL needs a revamp. Clay played like an animal out there. He needs another animal at ROLB and a couple quality down linemen to help him out. They need to act as a unit. I was more than pleased with the run stuffing ability, except for that 23 yard toss that lead to the hail mary.
5. I can’t believe how much we miss Nick Collins. We got so used to him just doing his thing out there that I think many of us took it for granted.
6. Giants played well. No credit going to be taken away from them. You just can’t give a team extra chances to capitalize on your mistakes.
There are many more, but I think they will be addressed soon. I ain’t even mad.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 10:15 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Oh.
I am so impressed with Morgan Burnett. The guy is a gamer.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Remember how many people didn’t want to give him the starting job before the season!?!
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
To be fair
You never want to “give” someone a starting job, especially a 3rd round rookie.
O-Line played solid?
Rodgers was running for his life all game.
More of the game plan
Instead of fighting the front 4 all day, Rodgers knew he could out run them and the line would slow them down.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
interesting
Didn’t appear like it was planned, but OK.
The first 15 dropbacks of the game...
He didn’t have any pressure on him. When we had to throw and only throw, that is when they pinned their ears back and started to apply more pressure. I think they did a good job considering they had ample opportunities to attempt to get after him.
The times I think the pressure was applied when Rodgers held the ball. It is going to happen in those cases.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Agree on it all
O-Line, I was really pleased. And when Rodgers ran away from the pocket, they followed still making blocks.
D-Line really does need to be rebuilt. I take a hard look at everybody but Raji.
Collins was always underrated in the NFL. Woodson, Tramon, Collins and Morgan are a crazy ball hawking secondary. Collins is the biggest lost of the year.
by king.nothing on Jan 15, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
yep
1. yes
2. yes
3. I think rodgers had something to do with that.. cuz they did get some pressure but rodgers ran the whole game
4. YES someone on the other side will unleash the claymaker once again
5. yes
6. yes
and burnett has a big upside
by packers34 on Jan 15, 2012 10:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Since people are still around
Can someone please explain to me just what in THE HELL we were doing at the end of the first half? Why did we call a time out??? I could not believe what I was seeing!
I don't think we'll ever figure that one out.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
I dunno
I wish I had an explanation too. Basically gave the Giants another shot.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
Yes!
OK, so it wasn’t that I missed something and that we needed the timeout.
That was just about the worst game management I’ve ever seen, and I started watching the Packers in the mid-80s, so that should give you some perspective.
That set the tone for failure IMHO.
if i knew
id tell u..seemed like the gmen were content to run it out before the timeout..so we knew it was coming so no excuse to not stop it or let him go out..and then the hail mary left me speechless..wish i had answers for you man i really do cuz that hurt..10 points in final 3 minutes for them
Yes, speechless
Simply incredible. I was shocked at that hail mary. Just such awful, awful football.
The clock was stopped anyways, so it didn't give them any more time.
I think it was just to figure out our strategy for a deep pass. And then they ran. And then we forgot that strategy for the next play.
2011: A wasted year
We totally forgot...
They left 3 WRs against 2 DBs (Woodson and Peprah?)… A couple of DB played it way short, so they actually had an advantage in the hail mary.
The Packers should have watched the Ravens game to learn how to defend against a hail mary…
by Lucas Lima #52 on Jan 16, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think we were lined up properly
But the issue I have was what happened after the TO. Because of when the TO was called, we got to see that the Giants were planning on running the ball and getting out of the half with a 3 point lead. But we did nothing to prepare for that after the TO was called. Bradshaw had the entire middle of the field to run down and then get out of bounds. The only player there to make a tackle was Peprah, who whiffed on it.
And then the hail marry pass where everyone failed. Peprah got too deep, and Wood was to far under. Add in Bush and Shields slow getting to the end zone, and well it was just a complete collapse that crushed everyone’s spirits except the Giants, who must have felt that they could have done anything after that.
Things to feel good about from the past few weeks
better than the Bears, Vikings, and Lions. Didn’t lose to the Broncos unlike the Steelers. Saints lost too so that will shut the pie holes about Andrew Brees. Matty Ice was ice cold again. What else?
Maybe home field is not such a great advantage
Here’s a puzzling stat:
we have not beaten a non-NFC West foe at home in the playoffs in 14 years.
For a team that never lost at home before in the playoffs, this is incredible.
Our 3 home wins in that span are two against Seattle and one against SF a decade ago.
Teams from all three other divisions have come to our home and kicked our ass.
I guess teams have gotten used to the Frozen Tundra, except for the warm weather division.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 15, 2012 10:26 PM CST reply actions
i dont think its just us
look around the last few years…when was the last time the #1 seed won it all?? i think it was NE in 04?? might be wrong but u just dont see homefield plaing out much these days
King of the arrogance
here on APC all week what is your excuse now?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
by tommy d. on Jan 15, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I apologized
read the previous post. I gave you credit.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 15, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
if so credit
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
I addressed the game before in this post
I gave the Giants credit for coming prepared and deserving the win. Here I’m talking about something else.
I was not going to hide my confidence in my team when I see a good team. So you won one, you were better one day. Enjoy it.
We’ll be back.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 15, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
yeah it is so arrogant to think the MVP of the season
is better than a second tier QB… sorry, hasn’t changed anything in that sense
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
You're an asshole.
Hopefully you follow in Simms’ footsteps and get banned too. Your empty shell of a life must really suck if you have to troll.
2011: A wasted year
How about:
Why did we beat the Giants last month in THEIR stadium, then they come to Green Bay and destroy us?
Maybe none of it means anything.
Easy
The Giants wanted it more. They outplayed us and deserved the win.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
by Zundar on Jan 15, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It would appear that way, yes.
And I’d rather be beaten by the Giants than by a lot of other teams.
They wanted it more?
I don’t know about that. Everyone on the Packers wanted this win. We just weren’t playing fundamentally sound.
Hard to define "wanting it more"
but to me this:
We just weren’t playing fundamentally sound.
qualifies.
Maybe there’s a better phrase to use.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
I think homefield is still an advantage
you just have to play well. And unfortunately the Packers played as bad a game as they possibly could yesterday, and against an opponent with whom you don’t match up well, you can’t afford to play that poorly.
a lot of teams have come off the bye and dominated. Look at New Orleans, Minnesota, and Indy two years ago.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Favre off the hook now
C’mon Packers fans, all those loudmouths who criticize other Packers fans over their concerns about Packers defense—anytime the offense can’t move the ball efficiently it takes a SHUTDOWN defense to keep opponents OFF the field and OFF the scoreboard—today’s game proves out those concerns in ONE GAME. Rodgers and Packers were DOMINATED by Giants on BOTH sides of the ball, Aaron fumbled away one turnover, INT for another and defense could NOT stop NY’s pass offense. That wasn’t ole #4 behind center that couldn’t get it done with a BETTER offense, Aaron didn’t have enough help and Finley couldn’t CATCH A COLD if his life depended on it. It’s called CHOKE, McCarthy didn’t have them ready, didn’t adjust to Giants defensive schemes well enough to move the ball consistently. Manning and Giants OUTPLAYED the Packers on both sides of the ball, especially on defense. And P.S.—when losing in the fourth Qtr, Rodgers and McCarthy are now 0-17, only game they’ve won in final qtr in last two years is the game Matt Flynn played agains the Lions two weeks ago.
by Shavager on Jan 15, 2012 10:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I can think of one right off the bat...
we were trialing 15-13 to Chicago, opening night at Lambeau 2009 in the 4th Quarter. Rodgers hit Jennings for a gamewinning TD, Packers won 21-15
Where in the world did you get 0-17 from?
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome Back NJPackFan!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Catching a cold is a lot harder than it sounds
I haven’t had one in at least a year. Even if I tried, it’s still gotta be tougher than catching a football that hits your hands.
\V/ for Villanova
by dees ees en drama on Jan 15, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
haha
rodgers has 17 losses in 4 years of starting i think?? so ur basically saying all of his losses he was at the losing end of the scoreboard at the end of the game. No shit huh? Imagine that
by packers34 on Jan 15, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
yea lets see favres record
when he was losing when the time runs out..i have a feeling its not much better..could be wrong (sarcasm)
Settle down, man. I agree with most of what you said besides the last couple sentences. Rodgers can win at the end of games. Though, I can’t say I’m disappointed that he’s won most of our games for us early the past couple few seasons.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
Ugh
If a 15-1 team can’t win ONE FREAKING PLAYOFF GAME…I don’t even know. Someone just shoot me now (I hate living in MN)
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 15, 2012 10:46 PM CST reply actions
I'll be happy to switch ya
I live in Kim-Jon-Illinois. Minnesota at least is known for it’s passive aggressive people.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
Looking forward to the Sox season then?
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
I dunno
Sox “rebuilding” ought to be more fun to watch than seeing a “built to win” team shit the bed like yesterday.
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by NorthSidePaulie on Jan 16, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Just heard ....
We are the first 15-1 team in NFL history to be one and done in the playoffs….is that true?
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
probably lol
just pile it on haha..technically we did get that bye tho i know its not a win but still
Imagine how the 07 Patriots fans felt
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
I'm guessing you heard that from a Vikings fan
5 teams have gone 15-1:
’84 49ers: Won SB that year
’85 Bears: Won SB that year
’04 Steelers: Won SB the next year
’11 Packers: Won SB the previous year
’98 Vikings: ?
13.
I think you need to add something about the blown calls....
it is a recap and the pack got 14 points off of them…HUGE CALLS
Anyway, congrats on a stellar 15-1 season.
I see some exciting games between my lions and your packers next season. provided we get a real #1 corner.
his calf was obscured by a leg. PLay stood, not confirmed.
Contrary to what Mike Perreira believes, the calf is not only located 6 inches below the knee.
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
youre telling me that you could see
his lower calf through the Giants’ defender leg? Looked like it probably was one, but it was never confirmed. Called the other way on the field and it would have stood
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
they can put different angles together in the booth at play them at the same time.
the called it a fumble then reversed it…then challenged it and for some “crazy” reason didn’t overturn it.
1:44…clearly a fumble
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012011501/2011/POST19/giants@packers#menu=highlights&tab=recap
well, it wasn't as clear as you say
it stood on the field. oh yeah, I forgot, so obvious that the ref was paid off on that play…
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
no, i thought it was a fumble too
but i can see how the play stood as called. tin foil hat for you perhaps? im not the one believing in conspiracies after all
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not a conspiracy dude, i think the refs in the NFL are garbage ...
why they aren’t full time i don’t know
A WIngs fan talking about tin foil hats?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
by hawks61 on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
CHEESEHEAD CONSPIRACY!!!!!!
Are you seriously bitching about this? What did we say about bad calls? You guys overcame it. So get over it
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
not a Giants fan...i was just talking to this fellow about it...
i was surprised how there was zero mention of it in the recap
Why would they make a big deal out of it?
The team that was on the wrong end won by 17 points.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
Because there's nothing TO mention
If it had been a turning point in the game in GB’s favor, then maybe, but crap wasn’t done about it, so there’s no discussion of it
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
dude, it was a fumble.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Eh.
To be honest, I don’t think they need to be dwelled on, they didn’t make a difference in the game.
And thanks! It will be fun facing you guys in the future.
On Wisconsin!
But we didn't win the game.
So why does it matter now? Most of us (including me) agree they were crap calls.
On Wisconsin!
Actually it just shows that blown calls don't change the outcome.
When they happen, do what the Giants did and overcome them. They made plenty of plays after the blown calls and easily won the game.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
You want to talk about blown calls on those two drives?
Okay here you go. Before that pass to Jennings where he possibly fumbled, Finley had his helmet whacked by your safeties arm. He was defenseless and there was a blow to the helmet. Who knows how the game is played out if they call it. Maybe you guys play a little less aggressively, or maybe the game still happens the same way. Either way, that’s a blown call on the Jennings drive. Maybe that play to Jennings never happens, and we score anyways on that drive if the personal foul is called.
And on the roughing the passer call, did you miss the DPI on second down when your defender tackled Ryan Grant while the ball was in the air? If they throw the flag there, its first down and 10, instead of leading to a 3rd down and 10 situation. Boom, no flag needed to “bail” us out there.
Nick Collins via Twitter
I just want to thank the packernation for the support this season!!! Sorry we couldn’t pull over the win today!!! Next year we’ll be back!!! With 36 on the field..
2011: A wasted year
March 2012
Doctors will have the final word. Collins wants the organization to know for sure prior to the draft, etc.
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I think there is no doubt a 36 will be on the field
the question is, will it have Collins name on it?
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
wait...
is merton hanks gonna un retire??
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 17, 2012 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
I know the refs love to help the Packers out
but I don’t think they’ll let the Packers play with 36 players on the field at one time…
Next year we’ll be back!!! With 36 on the field..
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
by Zundar on Jan 15, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Someone said earlier
that the supposed blown call on Osi’s “helmet to the head” on Rodgers was actually called on Tuck’s hit on Rodgers on that play
Anyone have any confirmation of this?
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link?
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
I would hope not
Tuck didn’t even hit Rodgers, he was knocked to the ground and was trying to stand up. Osi drove AR into Tuck, who made no movement towards making a tackle. If it was called on Tuck I feel like it would somehow be even more of a BS call.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 15, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
I think the official that threw the flag was the one behind the play.
He got really owned by angles in real time. Tuck (he made the tackle?) looked like he put his head forward, but it was behind Rodgers’ head. To him, it may have looked like helmet-to-helmet when reality his depth-perception needs to be checked.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 15, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Would you concede...
that kenny phillips shot to the head on finley earlier in the game should have been called?
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Without a doubt. I would now like the two late hits to Eli that weren’t called, and a replay decision that doesn’t defy the laws of logic.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 16, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Just saw the replay...
no way was it on Tuck…they must have thought Osi hit him helmet to helmet, which clearly he did not.
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 15, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
? Tuck hit Rodgers in the helmet Lol
football does not build character, it reveals character.
it was chest to helmet, not helmet to helmet, but he did get him in the helmet
that must have been what they saw since they called it contact to the QB’s helmet
football does not build character, it reveals character.
What happened was....
Osi hit Rodgers. His forearm got him right across the ribs and his helmet was to the left of Rodgers, near his shoulder pad or even behind his back. His helmet didn’t come close to hitting Rodgers’ helmet. But as Osi drove Rodgers backwards, Rodgers’ head smashed into Tuck’s body and snapped forward. It was clearly a clean hit.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
I think Rodgers got knocked forward, with his helmet/facemask smashing into Tuck’s body. Either way, I think he definitely got knocked a bit silly. His next thow would suggest that as he sailed it high over his receivers head into the sideline.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 16, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
yeah he looked loopy
regrouped and made a heck of a throw to Driver for the TD though
football does not build character, it reveals character.
especially when they say stuff like
“you guys had a great season, you fought hard”
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 15, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Because of the psychic energy they send to their teams
and out of body experiences when they take over player’s, bodies. Didn’t you know?
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 15, 2012 11:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Because of the psychic energy they send to the team...
And the out of body experiences where they take over player’s bodies. Didn’t you know?
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 15, 2012 11:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, that sucked...
Anyways, it was a fun season gents (and osc630). We always have next season and let’s all pray to Tebow that Collins is able to come back.
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
Just want to say that the drunk and bitchy commenters trolling here do not represent BBV in any way
99.99% of us are happy with posting gifs of hot chicks and lauging at our own dumb inside jokes in our own threads, not coming here to be sh*t stirrers and smack talkers. I know I shouldn’t take it so seriously, but I am legitimately embarrassed by some of the things said here by Giants trolls. Please don’t think they represent all of us. It’s embarrassing and disgraceful. Good game, see you next year.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
haha thanks
i knew some of u had class..probably most of u..and im sure there are those of us that troll as well..we know good fans when we see them..good luck to you next week
We know it's not reflective of BBV.
I’m guessing the trolls we’re getting are just drunk. Your guys straight-up outplayed ours; no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Congrats and good luck in San Fran.
If the circumstances were reversed, I think many commentors here would call out the idiots trolling BBV.
We would probably be posting really dumb gifs and memes here, like every other thread we see.
Always welcome here and on the APC OT!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks man...
Yeah most of us understand it’s a small minority of morons/dead enders that come here. BBV has a good community.
Great game by Giants and good luck next week!
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 16, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks man...
Theres always some in every group. Congrats to the Giants. But I hope you’ll understand how I’m feeling right now when I say I’ll be rooting for the Niners next week.
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 16, 2012 12:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks!
Good luck to the Giants next week.
Now I plan on enjoying the rest of the playoffs no matter who wins, except for maybe the Patriots…
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
Thank you!
Yeah, all fanbases have those couple fans that troll, we know it doesn’t represent your entire fanbase. Good game and good luck the rest of the way.
On Wisconsin!
No worries
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
For those Giant fans who think...
…all us Packer fans are arrogant and we only we had to just “show up” and we’d win…
Here is what I said on December 4th right after we beat you guys in New York:
I want to acknowledge
THE GUTSY GIANTS. i dont want to face them again!
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by PackFaninFL on Dec 4, 2011 7:46 PM EST actions
link http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2011/12/4/2611071/fourth-quarter-open-thread-packers-at-giants
The guys who were disrespecting the Giants prior to the game probably aren’t on this thread in any case.
Long story short, don’t condemn an entire fan base based on what a vociferous few are telling you. I talked to more than a few Pack fans who were worried and thought we would lose (I was confident we would win, but I knew it would be tough).
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Don't worruh bout it.
Live. Love. Laugh. Brah.
Game is over. Let’s move on from this. Just a road bump in the “DYNASTY.”
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Cheers to next season, bruh.
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
...
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ask a lobster
Guy: Lobster, I’m having problems with my girlfriend.
Lobster: Scavenge the sea floor for nutrients.
Guy: Ok…..
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
Lobster: "And stop being so shellfish."
by mike_o on Jan 16, 2012 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha...boom.
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
Yes!
And the reality is…we are a Dynasty! a 90+year Dynasty with 13 NFL Tiles, including 4 Super Bowls!
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by PackFaninFL on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
At least one is.
The guys who were disrespecting the Giants prior to the game probably aren’t on this thread in any case.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Unlucky, guys
All the pack fans I know are class acts and I hate to see them disappointed. I hope we make it worthwhile though. Good luck next season; I know you guys will be a force for years.
Formerly epb2102
Fire Gilbride
Giants / Knicks / Yankees / Rangers
by Monsieur Bobo on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good luck to you guys as well.
You guys definitely deserve it.
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I've exhaled
After a few ohms and deep breaths, I feel good again.
It’s just a game, after all…
This was me a few minutes ago:
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i1vMK4XaPk
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Whoops, linked that wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i1vMK4XaPk
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
On Rodgers...
Just to vent, I’d like to say that Skip Bayless and all the other idiots suggesting that this game ‘proves’ Rodgers is worse than Favre, or that Rodgers really isn’t any good, or anything like that, are just that – idiots. Rodgers played a hell of a game, considering the 8 drops and the fumbles. 8 drops are just unheard of in a single game for a playoff team. Rodgers didn’t cause the Packers to lose this game. It won’t affect his ‘legacy’. Rodgers played his ass off in this game, and hopefully that’s how we will remember it. I’m going to make sure to see what Bayless is saying in 5 years time when Rodgers has a couple more Super Bowl rings.
Link to the idiocy (and it was commented on above): http://twitter.com/REALSKIPBAYLESS
F*CK SKIP BALL-LESS!
He never even liked Farve,
until Bertt turned against the Packers.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Skip Bayless is one of the biggest hacks out there.
The guy will defend Tebow to the death, but Rodgersthe Packers have a bad game and suddenly, Rodgers is awful and his legacy is tarnished. Honestly, the only thing I hope he’s saying in five years is “I used to be on ESPN” from his desk at a local new station in Albuquerque.
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I see me html didn't work, probably should've previewed.
Oh well.
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
Dear Mr. Thompson
While my affection and loyalty to the Packers remains stronger than ever, it is no secret that I not always a fan of yours. When you were first hired, you inherited a coach, Mike Sherman, that, frankly, you didn’t want. You intentionally sabotaged him your first year, resulting a a 4 – 12 record (refusing to bring in any guards was just plain mean-sprited) that justified firing him. You also alienated your pain-in-the-ass, prima donna hall-of-fame quarterback, and while that didn’t change the fact that he WAS a prima donna pain in the ass, it also didn’t change the fact that he was a hall of famer. As the grown-up in the room, I felt that you mishandled that situation.
Still, these are events in the past; turnaround specialists in all lines of business have to believe in themselves and their own systems, and firing people who do not fit their vision is standard operating procedure. The sole criteria is success, because in business (sports is a huge business), the ends justify the means. In that regard, you succeeded — the Packers, re-made in your image and by your vision, won the Super Bowl last year. As a fan I was delighted of course, but I had a nagging concern about HOW the team won. Specifically:
I did not like the offensive line. I thought your right guard was extremely solid (kudos for you for drafting him), but I didn’t like the left guard that you kept on the roster forever (thank you for finally dumping him this year), plus I thought your tackles were getting old and fragile, and I have never been a fan of your undersized center (more about him later).
I did not like your running backs. This is my biggest point of disagreement. You seem to have fallen into the trap of believing that running backs are fungible. After getting burned by reaching for Brandon Jackson in the second round, you seem to have decided that any practice-squad fodder or 7th round draft pick will be just as good as a blue chip first rounder.
I was concerned about your secondary. I had watched Tramon Williams rise to a pro-bowler, but I always had my doubts about him, and I was greatly concerned that here didn’t seem to be anybody competent at safety on the roster, apart from Nick Collins.
Still, the team won the Super Bowl, and you can’t argue with that, so I celebated and then turned my focus to the next year. The year, during the regular season, went about as good as it could, in the sense that the team went 15 – 1. Unfortunately, it didn’t feel right, especially during the last half of the season.
The team won shootouts, and it did so with a stellar passing game, BUT, it still had a pedestrian running game, headlined by Ryan Grant (whom you never should have signed to such a large contract) and a couple of “who’s that?”s. Even so, the ground game might have been better, but for the offensive line. Certainly, injuries took their toll, but your left tackle still didn’t get any younger, and your center, despite whatever hype turned him into a pro-bowler, is still undersized and not able to hold up against large NTs. Your first round draft picks from the past couple of years, at least so far, look like they didn’t deserve first round status.
Worse, the secondary was just plain bad. Woodson remains cagey, but it is apparent that he is aging. Collins, as we all know, went down with an injury that may very well end his career (let us hope he doesn’t make a bad desicion in this regard, for his own long-term health), and there was absolutely nothing, zero, zilch, nada, to replace him, either to play free safety or, much more importantly, to sort the defense on the field. Also, Williams regressed to (in my opinion) where he really belongs, which is to say he is average to slightly below. All in all, I thought Shields played better.
What does this mean to you? It means that your roster was flawed. You have an absolutely lousy track record with offensive linemen and running backs, and that bit the team this year against the Giants. You have a weakness for spending salary cap money on WRs, but you won’t, or haven’t, spent it on secondary (apart from the Woodson signing early in your career). To me, it is not surprising that the right team could take the Packers apart this year, and on Sunday, that team was the Giants.
But I carp long enough. As a GM, and even though you don’t talk to anybody, I know that you are thinking ahead. I strongly recommend the following:
Please, please draft a running back in the first or second round. Keep Grant as a third-down back (assumning he would accept that role, because that’s really what he is), but ditch the rest of your no-names.
Please, please find some help in the secondary. A starting cornerback would be terrific, and even if Collins returns, you really really need another competent safety, because right now you don’t have any.
Please talk to your head coach about gimmicks. He didn’t pull stunts all year, and then he decided to experiment with an onside kick in the playoffs? Stunts like that are for overmatched teams. It was a bad call, almost as bad as his bone-headed decision to call timeout right before the end of the first half (moron).
So, in conclusion, I am satisfied that, as a ruthless bastard, you have established this team as your own. The problem, as I see it, is that your vision needs to be tweeked. As uncool as you may think it is, you really need to invest in a premium running back. You need also to upgrade your talent-evaluation skills with regard to offensive linemen, and you need to give up the love-affair with WRs. Finally, you desperately need to figure out how to upgrade your secondary.
Some thoughts
After getting burned by reaching for Brandon Jackson in the second round, you seem to have decided that any practice-squad fodder or 7th round draft pick will be just as good as a blue chip first rounder.
RB’s are not the commodities they used to be. You can find good to great RB’s in the second round to undrafted free agents. Out of the top 6 rushers this year, none were taken in the first round. And go look at Matt Forte for the Bears, great rusher and a second round pick. Alex Green (3rd round) has great potential, and Starks is a good runner.
Even so, the ground game might have been better, but for the offensive line. Certainly, injuries took their toll, but your left tackle still didn’t get any younger, and your center, despite whatever hype turned him into a pro-bowler, is still undersized and not able to hold up against large NTs.
LT replacement on the roster and drafted. Wells is a baller at C, and is deserving of a pro bowl nod. He may not be the biggest or most powerful center, but he gets the job done. His size is an issue, and it leads to some limitations, but the dude is great.
Your first round draft picks from the past couple of years, at least so far, look like they didn’t deserve first round status.
Really? No firsts in 2008, Harrel was a bust in 07, Clay and Raji in 09 are blue chip players who are building blocks for the defense, Bulaga (10) was having an all pro year at RT save for injuries, and Sherrod in 11 was injured. He’s the heir apparent at LT that you talked about earlier. TT has historically picked a lot of OL in the draft in later rounds, but some haven’t panned out.
A starting cornerback would be terrific, and even if Collins returns, you really really need another competent safety, because right now you don’t have any.
Morgan Burnett played outstanding this year. Last year he was injured early, but this year he has been fantastic, and he had a great game yesterday. A secondary with Collins and Burnett in the back would have been amazing. Besides that, yes there was a lack of depth. But you really can’t expect great depth from every position.
Please talk to your head coach about gimmicks. He didn’t pull stunts all year, and then he decided to experiment with an onside kick in the playoffs?
Mike has shown a willingness to do onside kicks when he felt he had an opportunity for them to work. Examples: Playoff game against Cardinals in 09, Patriots in 10, Broncos in 11. Id agree that Mike gets a little carried away with his play calling and makes some weird calls (4th down play), but he has some balls. And that’s a lot better than a coach who is afraid to take chances to win football games.
…and you need to give up the love-affair with WRs
We have the top QB in the game, and you don’t want him to have weapons? Didn’t Sherman or Holmgren talk about how he wished how they had better WR’s for Favre after they left? Play to your strengths.
wow
This is the same guy that put rodgers at the helm, drafted jordy, starks, matthews, and raji just to name a few, who are the future. And you sit here and complain about the defense yet you want him to draft a RB in the first round when we have 3 on the active roster. Oh and wells is a pro bowler so Im not sure what your reaching for there. The loss was tough on all of us but I think your overreacting emotionally here or just plain lost your mind. And why dont u send the letter to the front office instead of posting it here? The address is online
Is that addressed to me?
Or the guy I replied to? Because I’m refuting his claims. The parts in gray are his quotes, my reply to what he is saying is directly underneath it.
Look who’s back!
You intentionally sabotaged him your first year, resulting a a 4 – 12 record (refusing to bring in any guards was just plain mean-sprited) that justified firing him.
He was brought in to save the team from complete implosion, which he did. The team was capped out due to extremely poor management in the past. Sherman deserved exactly what he got. He never should have been GM and the fact that he took it on despite having no experience with it and very little HC experience was a stupid move on his part (much like the kid from the Patriots taking an HC job at age 31 or whatever he was). Taking a job before you are ready for it is a bad move and he deserved his fate for how poorly he managed the team!
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
He was a turnaround guy
Sherman should never have been made coach and GM at the same time. That was a huge mistake. The team had gone “all in” to try to win a Super Bowl and they weren’t that far away. The 2004 team was really good but got killed by injuries late. Sherman, as a rookie GM, had managed the salary cap such that there was going to be a price to pay, but Adrian Klemm and Will Whittakers as guards was just plain awful.
But this wasn’t the point of my diatribe, and if you re-read it, you will see that I acknowledge that clearing out the old is SOP for turnaround managers. My current gripe, which I admitted is blunted by the success that the team has had for the past two years, is that Mr. Thompson does not believe in spending money on running backs, he still isn’t very good at evaluating O-line talent, and he got caught short in the secondary.
If it wasn’t your point, you wouldn’t have included it and certainly not the way you did. As long as you continue to try to pain TT as some sinister being you aren’t going to get much respect around here man.
Personally I think Thompson is smart for not spending money on RBs (and by the way, he DID spend on Grant and then you rip him for is…where is the consistency?). There are very few elite guys and the rest are all system guys that are pretty much interchangeable. They have a short life-cycle as well. Their value is very quickly shrinking around the NFL for ALL GMs (notice all the RBs having contract issues this year).
You are right on Oline…its clearly his shortcoming as a GM. I won’t even argue that as it would be a poor argument to make.
Secondary was one of the best in the league last year with two up and coming young guys (Williams and Shields) who both slunk back this year.
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I'm sorry, you said you're a Packer fan?
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 16, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The new people might not remember ktenreb. He’s a bitter Favre apologist who has it out for the current regime. He’s been gone all season but decided to come back NOW to talk after we lost.
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Right, which is why I ask yet again,
Kt, you said you’re a Packers fan? Because if you were, there is no way that you believe most of that drivel. And if you do believe it, you’re even dumber than you look. No way in Purple-fuck Hell should Ryan Grant be a 3rd down back. And ya boi Favre is the one who acted like a douchebag, quit lying to yourself.
2011: A wasted year
I believe that I called him a prima donna pain in the ass
I never apologized for Favre’s behavior — never. I have always called him a prima donna pain in the ass. I do have a problem with the way Thompson handled him, but as I say, that isn’t the point any more. Those days are long gone.
The Packers lost on Sunday because (i) their running backs are mediocre, (ii) their offensive line, which admittedly is banged up, isn’t very good, and (iii) the secondary played as poorly as it did all year. Now, it is also true that the receivers dropped every other pass thrown to them, but how many did Jordy Nelson drop in the Super Bowl last year? I get that a lot of you like Morgan Burnett — after all, he played free safety, where stats are racked up, and he had a few stats because of the positioin he plays. But his overall play wasn’t very good, and the regression of Williams (more so than that of Shields), the (slight) decline of Woodson as a cover corner, and the loss of Collins is why the secondary was so dreadful.
I have said that this is Thompson’s team, made in his image, and that it has had a lot of success. I think that the areas I have mentioned are the areas where Thompson needs to improve. No need to get nasty.
And I haven’t been around this year because of some personal issues. Trevor, nice to see you are still your same pleasant self!
Wot
A team that is supposedly full of holes wouldn’t go 15-1.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 16, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
FIRE TT! HIRE KTENREB!
He’ll fire Mikw McMoron, and right this sinking ship!
Because,
he clearly knows what he is talking about!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Fail.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
I don’t know man, I just can’t help but feel like your obvious dislike of him is what’s playing into you thinking that he’s got a lot to improve.
You mention the offensive line and running back, and he’s definitely had his misses at those positions but as of late I think he’s done ok. Like you mention, Sitton is very good but I also was impressed with Buluga and Lang. I think Buluga is well on his way to becoming one of the better RT’s in the league. I thought Lang was really solid too. It’s still too early on Sherrod, and really, probably Newhouse. I tend to think he’ll be a guy who is serviceable but how much did not having this past offseason slow him down? We’ll obviously have to see.
I think Starks is plenty good enough for what we want to do on offense. I thought he looked to break the big play a little bit too much this season but that’s something that’s easy to fix. When he gets up field and finishes his run, he’s almost always good for a 3-4 yard gain which hasn’t been something that can be said for our other guys before him. Green looked like a perfect fit for our third down back in limited time too.
As for the secondary, you can’t really rip Thompson for Williams having a down year this season. He was arguably the best cover corner in football last season, and was good to serviceable from 2008 to 2009 too. I think something probably effected Williams play because you don’t go from shutting absolutely everybody and anybody down in 2010 to being the guy that teams are actually going after. I think his shoulder injury early slowed his play but what really did him in was our scheme, in my opinion. Capers played so much off zone this season, and it’s just not something that Williams (or Shields really) is effective at. Of course, our absolutely terrible pass rush probably didn’t help either.
And that’s a spot where someone could have a legitimate beef with Thompson at. I said it all late last season, and it proved to be right this in my opinion : we needed to re-sign Cullen Jenkins. We just didn’t have the talent or depth to sustain the blow of losing him. After this season, he’s got to either take an OLB or DL who can provide some pass rush.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not interested in the rest of the playoffs
I hate all 4 remaining teams. Fuck ’em all.
Also, again, what a waste of the best season the Pack will ever have.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 8:29 AM CST reply actions
nuh uh bro
undefeated 2012 season, just wait.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
With a better defense
this is not out of the question
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Even a 13-3 season next year doesn't seem so bad
Given the coming schedule, I could see doing that or better. I sure as hell didn’t see the Packers winning 15 this year though. 12, yeah…. 15 is a nice surprise. By the way, a little silver lining to think about here (and this thought is what perked me up after the loss)… at least we lost to the Giants, it could have been last year to Duh Bears in the NFCCG.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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Like I said somewhere in the posts above me.
As long as we win the division, I am alright with how we finish the season next year. That could entitle us to either first round bye or playing wild card games just to go on the road (probably to domes).
I take a 13-3. Win some we shouldn’t and lose some we shouldn’t.
by king.nothing on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing cheers me up about this.
Anything other than a Title this year is a huge disappointment, IMO. So, yeah.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
My story
Briefly, I’m a sunny day fan of Pack, really of Aaron Rodgers unbelievable abilities, since Packs super bowl run.
I live in NY and watched game with NY fans.
NEVER BEEN SO DISGUSTED IN MY LIFE.
I knew, every Giant fan knew, that you dont pull your team away from real football action for 3 weeks and expect good to come out of it.
This loss is mainlyly on coach who insisted on having the only great part of Pack team rest for 3 weeks and expect them to play sharp. Throwing and recieving are fine abilities that have to be performed in real game conditions to stay sharp. They didnt. They were rusty.
Aaron was almost his usual self and would have had a monster day without the drops but even Aaron was not his usual all world self. The receivers that need real game reps with the QB to stay sharp were as bad as any corp I have ever seen.
Frankly, they often drop passes even in this otherwise great season but never with the frequency seen in this game where you could almost start to predict drops as the game wore on.
I am so very disappointed that in the conference finals we will be treated to Brother Inferior vs The Grand Manager instead of The Greatest vs The Flashiest. Darn shame!
Next year, please make sure coach takes the lessons learned by many other coaches. teams need to stay play to stay sharp. It doesnt matter at the non skill positions like defensive end but it does in the passing game.
Gotta go and wash out this piss taste from my mouth
thats a debate
that will never end..to sit your starters or not..damned if u do damned if u dont..unfortunately didnt work for us
by packers34 on Jan 16, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that is a debate that will never end...
…and I’m going to prove it
If you play games that are not meaningful, you might get injured. If you dont get enough playtime in real games that dont matter you will most certainly get rusty.
Frankly, good as Pack receivers could be, they are not good possession receivers. IMO 3 weeks between games in which receivers catch Aaron passes may have increased drops from a tolerable 2 – 3 to 8 – eight freakin’ dropped passes.
BTW, for any chump who claims that Eli had a better game than Rodgers (there are some), question? How many points would Eli(not Elite) have put up if he had to suffer 8 drops and and several fumbles. The answer is 0.
by sgiustra on Jan 16, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Pats *didn't* pull their players from week 16 and 17 in 2009
And then Wes Welker shredded his knee just before playoffs. The Pats were suddenly short of WRs and the Ravens dealt to them by jamming the backups on the line.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
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by Comedic.Sans on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
yeah not having Welker really killed them in that game
didn’t have that quick outlet to help mitigate the rush
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Do you guys know anything about Nick Collins' status?
Will he be back next year, and any idea if this injury will affect his longterm play?
Also, if Finley doesn’t come back, who would replace him? I think you guys need to keep him. He really is a great weapon, and it probably frees up your receivers alot.
Also, do you think Driver will return, or is it his turn to fade gracefully into the sunset? He’s probably my favorite Packer. Very classy.
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"Eli done gangsta'd the NFL" -Deion Sanders
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Collins: we won’t know for sure until march, but he seems optimistic. Need to hear a doctor’s word
Finley: AQ is serviceable but he’s not the matchup nightmare that JF can be. I don’t care for his prima donna self promotion or his maddening drops, but dude is talented, and a baller, and if we can score a smaller deal (3 yrs for 11-12mil?) he would be worth keeping around. Wouldn’t keep him for much more than that, though.
If they don’t keep him then Quarless becomes the starter, I doubt they’d go after another TE since they carried 5 on the roster this year. Plus I feel like the draft will be D heavy.
Driver: Dude is a warrior. Hard worker and always seems to make the toughest catches. He was the only WR that didn’t have a drop Sunday (I think.) I hope he comes back, but I’d say it’s 50-50, since we need his spot for our future 5th WR
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 AM CST up reply actions
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