Comparing The Packers Loss To The 2004 Season
by Brandon on Jan 16, 2012 8:02 AM CST
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PrintA team that went 15-1 during the regular season shouldn't lose to another team that went 9-7 during the regular season. Especially at home. That it was my Green Bay Packers on the wrong end of that horrible loss makes it even worse. It was like a bad dream, and it still seems unreal to me. Unfortunately I won't be waking up from this bad dream anytime soon.
It reminded me of a couple other losses that happened back during the 2004 season.
The 2004 Steelers went 15-1. In the playoffs, they barely beat the Jets in the divisional round before losing at home in the championship game by 14 points to the Patriots. The good news here is that the 2005 Steelers bounced back to win the Super Bowl.
Unfortunately it also reminded me a lot of the 2004 Packers, who lost to the Vikings at Lambeau by 14 points in the wild card game. Before that loss, the Packers had beaten the Vikings in Minnesota by 3 points (just as the 2011 Packers beat the Giants by 3 points back in December). In 2005, it got even worse as they fell to 4-12 and missed the playoffs.
There were many changes after that 2004 playoff loss. Head coach Mike Sherman was fired as GM and replaced by Ted Thompson. The defensive coordinator was replaced. A few key veterans were allowed to leave in free agency. And the Packers showed what the future had in store when they drafted Aaron Rodgers in the first round.
It's unlikely that such significant changes will take place this offseason, but maybe we shouldn't be surprised if there are some coaching changes and several roster moves in the coming weeks.
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Start in the Secondary Move forward
The big exposure of yesterday’s loss was the poor performance of our Secondary. Time and time again the WR would be open on 3rd and long and our Secondary was nowhere to be seen. Williams, Woodson, Bush, Shields all looked befuddled and confused for the entire game, we need new blood and focus and someone to drive these guys to do betterer.
From there the rest of the defense is next. Yes I know that statistics don’t mean squat but we were exposed big time for our needing 5 people to bring down the damn RB when he moved forward. Missed tackles and the inability to tackle costs us heavily. Is it a DC to blame or our players? Something has to change as that was inexcusable.
Offense? We can wave ByeBye to Capt YOTTO, get a real TE in there, someone that can catch the ball. Stonehands isn’t cutting it and even Crabtree played horribad. Our carrying of a bajillion TEs helped us but hurt us as none of these guys are in the same caliber as the current gold standard: Gronkowski.
This whole game opened the eyes of what was swept under the carpet for 16 games. Things have to change.
I agree on the secondary
But also lets not forget that it can be hard to cover guys when they have 10 seconds to get open.
I’d like to see Woodson possibly moved to safety for starters. Also, it’ll be interesting to see how Collins looks after the injury. Hopefully we bring in another guy or two, and someone on the current roster steps up (House?).
It is also crucial we get a 3-4 DE to replace Jenkins. Neal can’t stay healthy and we must generate some sort of pass rush from this spot. Also, it could potentially take some pressure of Raji and get him playing at the level he played at late last season.
Shit happens when you win championships
by Andrew Clark on Jan 16, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
i think
We need a pass rusher first. IMO the secondary was left out to dry on the 3 and 4 man rushes because there was no rush. Then again maybe if we could cover some people that wouldnt be such a big deal. Kind of a catch 22 but I think we work on DL first
Agree
If we could bring a 3-4 man rush effective, then the secondary should return to being ball hawks.
by king.nothing on Jan 16, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Agree about the pass rush
No secondary can cover everyone for more than a few seconds. The pass rush yesterday was just awful.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 16, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely. Eli Manning had enought time to have a slow dance at the prom back there as his receivers got open. That needs to get better.
by brad@bridgeport on Jan 16, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
We can wave ByeBye to Capt YOTTO, get a real TE in there, someone that can catch the ball.
Two things wrong with this. 1) Weren’t we saying the same thing about JJ last year? He seems to have gotten over his dropping habit. 2) How are we going to find a guy on the same level as Gronkowski? We would have to draft one in the first few rounds (that’s not going to happen)
by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe that is why TT went crazy in the draft
Maybe he saw something in Williams or Taylor just in case Capt. YOTTO becomes a dumb ass this year. Interesting to see how front management handles this.
by king.nothing on Jan 16, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Taylor
Was brought in for his special teams ability. Showed some ability as a TE, but his purpose first and foremost is a special teams ace.
On the other hand, Williams is a pure receiving TE. Not as dynamic as Finley, but someone you can count on to make a catch and move the chains (or at least that’s what he can become).
Call him Capt. YOTTO if you want
but TT will make the correct roster move this offseason.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look I am a critic of Finley, I think my record of arguing with Stroh about it over the year supports that…but I think you are being WAY too harsh on the guy. What is frustrating with him is he’ll make a sick diving catch where the ball is 1 foot off the ground when he catches it and then the next play Rodgers will ping one off his chest.
I think its just a concentration issue. When Finley has easy catches he’s thinking about his next move…that can be fixed (I think). I am not interested in seeing him move on unless he wants to be paid as the best TE in the league.
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Difficult to say where the most change will be
I bet we will see quite a number of new faces in the defense from the draft. But I also think we will lose at least two coaches this year to other jobs. So whats the are with the most change?
morning guys
Not here to gloat or be an a$$. My hats off to you guys for a great season and your team will bounce back. IMO the biggest part of the game was the dropped passes. It happens though anyways see ya next year.
by g-men_fan on Jan 16, 2012 8:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Thanks.
I think I speak for all of us in saying that I appreciate it when opposing fans come over and are respectful in victory. (Especially in light of the first commenter’s ramblings)
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by texwestern on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
ditto this
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Thank you, it's classy of you to come over courteously and it's been a great season
Good luck in the NFCCG, it’s a fun place to be, but SF looks really good
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm just curious to see if this changes up TT's strategy at all
He has done a tremendous job building a championship level team through the draft, undrafted free agents, etc. However, the Packers are firmly in a win now mode and have one of the best offenses in the league (and most guys on the offense have been signed for the next couple of years). Does he shake things up to improve the defense via free agency? In the past, he has shown he will if he thinks he can get a steal on someone (the Woodson highway robbery). If there ever was a time to do it, it is now. The Packers have a window to compete for championships, the best QB in football surrounded by a talented offense. We also have some very talented defensive players. Just shoring up a few things will keep the Packers great, and will give us plenty of opportunities to avenge last night’s loss.
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"Firmly in win now mode"
What makes you say that? The offensive core is young (Rodgers, Starks, Jennings, Nelson, Kuhn), the defense has nowhere to go but up. The Vikings were in a “Win Now” mode two years ago; the Raiders were in a “Win now” mode in October. There is nothing about this team that is a “Win Now” mode.
Only "Win Now" mode we in
Is “win now for about the next 5-10 years”
by king.nothing on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Win now as in we need to one or two players to push us into dynasty status
A 5-year deal on a vet entering the pinnacle of his career sounds just about right to me. TT going nuts in FA is signing one guy (no, KC Asiodu doesn’t count), which I think could be a beneficial move.
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I should have explained that better
We aren’t in a win now mode due to age like the Vikings were, more so we have a very good team now. You never know, in two to three years maybe we’ve lost a few guys, a few regress etc. I don’t think it will happen, but whatever.
Point I failed to really get to is we have the pieces for another title run, but a few additions (DE, DB? OLB?) ready to contribute now might get us another trophy next year.
Guess I meant that the building phase is over, Ted built his championship roster. Maybe this is the offseason to try to sign one or two difference makers rather than continuing to build via smart drafting and developing young players.
Not saying right or wrong, just wondering if it will happen.
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by Andrew Clark on Jan 16, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you can't ever stop building via the draft and developing young players
Or else you end up like the Colts. Or the Cubs.
But even if this team regresses next year to 12-4, that should still be enough for a playoff spot. The minimum expectation should be playoffs every year, and there is room to continue to build through the draft and meet that expectation.
I don't think TT would forgo the draft entirely if he signs a FA.
you can’t ever stop building via the draft and developing young players
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I think defensive coaching. Capers is usually a good DC but this year was hard an there was little excuse
Plua he may get a head coaching job anyway. That was what killed me, our coverage sucked all year but we were constantly playing way off the lines when we usually bump and run and it killed us. I also hate to say it because it was tragic and far more important than football, but the Michael Philbin tragedy may have weighed heavily on the team. Teams take two weeks off and come out precise all of the time and the whole “got rusty on the bye week” analysis is stupid, but the emotions obviously weighed on every player and the practice schedule that keep you from getting rusty in the bye was thrown off.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 16, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
No it did not
These guys were as focused as they come going into the game. What happened on the field is the responsibility of the players. You can only take a death so far as a liability, that was a complete non-factor to the team only the Coaching staff which handled it well.
The fault lies squarely on the players dropping balls, not making tackles, and generally looking befuddled through 60minutes of football. I highly doubt any of these guys were going “Man that coaches son’s death sucked, what am I going to do?” when getting reamed out by their respective coach.
the offensive gameplan is drawn up by Philbin & McCarthy
There was obviously somewhat of a step back taken.
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Were they playing off when Capers was sending the blitz? If that's the case it
makes sense, because if you’re playing press coverage while sending a blitz, there’s nobody behind you to help if you get beat.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 16, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
DN is gloating about our loss
Seems they forgot that they’re the laughing stock of the NFL still.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 9:06 AM CST reply actions
Them and the Bears will be basement dwellers in the NFC North for many years to come
Not much to laugh at… our team will be perennial contenders for a while… their teams will continue to stink.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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Eh, the Bears are good when Cutler is healthy
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
amazes me how people continue to deride Cutler
he is a very good QB with little to no talent around him on the O-line or at WR/TE
football does not build character, it reveals character.
That's a LOT of rebuilding to make him a "good QB" though
Might as well have him go to another team if that’s the case.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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Cutler's done all right considering
the lack of talent on the o-line, the TE, and the WR spots. He’s got a heckuva arm, but you can only do so much when your life is in danger every time you drop back.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 16, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I hate dah berz, but I like Cutler*. Go figure.
*this might possibly have something to do with the fact that he’s a fellow T1 diabetic.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
as I've said before, after Rodgers I can't think of more than a couple QBs I'd rather have on the Packers than Cutler
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Is that the Detroit Blog?
If so, the Northern Raiders still need to learn how to play ‘nice’ football and not penalty based system.
Viqueens still crying over their stadium?
Did they get one yet or are they off to LA?
Who gives a damn what Chris Gates has to say?
Vikings have one year left in the dome, and they’ll be a bad team, and then they’ll be in Los Angeles. They’ve known for years that the stadium lease was coming up, and did nothing about it. So long.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
DN is gloating about our loss
And that’s the only way the Viking fans will win a short lived championship. I feel bad for you guys having to deal with that crap twice a year. Once a year is bad enough. Worst fan base ever, right up there with falcon fans. Way to put a team down.Real classy! If there’s ever a cheapshot artist, it would be This Guy Here
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They really are a classless bunch. I have a bunch of friends that felt it was necessary to gloat about the packers loss on FB last night too, as if their team had something to do with it (even if it was my team I would never gloat on FB about it…maybe that is just me though). They’ve morphed into this fanbase that gets more joy out of watching our team fall short than they do of watching their team succeed.
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I have a bunch of friends that felt it was necessary to gloat about the packers loss
You should have seen what our rival Falcon fans were saying. It was ugly. They’re classless too. Wishing a broken neck or leg on Drew Brees and wishing another catastrophic storm on the city. I could go on and on. There’s no excuse for that type of behavior. I have no compassion for anybody of that graphic nature. People take it way too far.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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Indeed it is Mike. Scumbags of that nature should not be allowed to have access to blog on SBN, much less have access to computer access. But that’s ok, they wont win anything for a long time. Karma will catch up to them
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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Hey, he can laugh all he likes, the rest of us are laughing with him.
It’s just that we know the punchline to the joke, and he doesn’t. The Vikings and their are fans are, always have been, and always will be the punchline.
2011: A wasted year
It’s just that we know the punchline to the joke, and he doesn’t. The Vikings and their are fans are, always have been, and always will be the punchline.
Thank you Tepo. Perfectly said. It’s just a petty way to cover up their insecurities. For a fan base that has ZERO championships, has a lot of nerve posting a celebration “Fake Championship Thread” kicking you guys while ya’ll are down is the most hypocritical thing to do in life.
And I will say this. You guys have 13 Championships. They have ZERO. Like i said, this is the only way they will win a Short Lived Superbowl by posting a petty childish thread. And whats even sicker, there still blaming the REFS (like they always do) even though you lost.
If that isn’t Petty, I sure as hell don’t know what is.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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Really though, they aren't all bad over there.
It’s just that Gates is a rabblerouser. With a different writer in charge, I don’t think there be anywhere near as much negative activity.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 16, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
With a different writer in charge, I don’t think there be anywhere near as much negative activity.
You really hit it on the nail. Then probably some of his followers would leave too. There are a few good ones I will add. But I will give you an example how he and a fellow member there are two peas in a pod. Where’s one member wished injury on Drew Brees And The Saints players. I called him out, and he didn’t like it too much.
Both of them are worthless excuses for human beings in my book.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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Very true. Some of them are able to talk about football and not be jerks but the problem is that just going over there and saying hi will result in about 20 posts about being a troll. Its such an odd community he’s built. I with Ted would take more control, I think there could be a totally different interaction between our sites if he was the main guy running the place.
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After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
That is the MN way. They can’t win anything on their own so rather than enjoying their own teams success they have adapted by rejoicing in other failures. Its pretty pathetic actually.
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its pretty pathetic actually.
Yeah, beyond pathetic. They have a knack for putting a team down while they’re down. It falls under the same category as stealing from a blind man. Sad and classless. Not too mention wishing injury on a coach or a QB. What’s worse is when “The Lead guy” encourages that type of idiotic behavior.
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its not all fans...
but I am pretty sure my wife would be that way if she wasn’t married to me so maybe its in the water here…I better switch to alcohol only or something. ;-)
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Gates doesn't encourage that behavior, he incites it.
He is the starting cap to the marathon of vitriol that goes on over there.
2011: A wasted year
Gates doesn’t encourage that behavior, he incites it.
Which is why I’m so glad our moderator Dave and yours Brandon, runs classy clean sites. We’ll never see that trashy behavior around here.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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by Jricky70 on Jan 16, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
And I'll add this
When we lost Saturday to the 49ers in a wild battle, it stung yes. But never once did we act classless or do any petty whining. Can’t expect to win with 5 turnovers. That was on us. And we congratulated them for the win and a great game.
There lies the difference between class and the DN.
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Exactly, I have seen too may posts around these parts blaming anything other than the Packers' shortcomings.
Except for, oddly, people who were rooting against the Packers STILL complaining about the refs. Sad, no?
2011: A wasted year
And it makes you wonder they give themselves a bad name. And the bitterness on a daily basis. Maybe they need to pick another hobby and quit watching any sport that requires any form of “Contact”
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Am I missing something?
Sherman was fired after the 4-12 season in 2005.
Regarding coaching changes, obviously McCarthy is going nowhere. But i think everybody else is fair game, especially anyone involved with the defense. They simply did not improve during the course of a horrible season for them, and it finally caught up with the team yesterday.
coaching changes
im expecting Moss to go to Oakland and take a few coordinators with him so there should be a good bit of coaching changes this offseason.
I'm with you on this one
You usually don’t see much roster turnover when a team is coming off a successful season. But you do see coaches leave for higher-level positions.
And I’m all for talking about free agency and the draft – it’s nice to not think about yesterday’s game.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
YES
THIS is now the time to start talking about the off season (not in the midst of a 12 game winning streak. Bring on the talk and speculation about what we can do in the draft and in FA!
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Want to congratulate the Giants for coming to play... Why didn't we???
First of all… I remember when TT Drafted Mike Neal and I was blasted for over reacting… I think I’ve been vindicated there…
#2. 88 Should be gone… And we’ve drafted enough mediocre TE’s… Time to find one that can catch the ball… Tired of 88’s mouth and inability to live up to his potential!!
#3. 25 Should be gone… One good run a game does not a RB make!! He’s hit 30, can’t block, fumbles when it counts… Nuff Said!!
#4. Ted is a good GM… He does drive me crazy at times… But, I think it’s obvious that UFA or 6th round picks aren’t going to cut it across from CM3!!
#5. Give any QB time and they’ll complete balls… Our front 7 left our secondary out to dry…
#6. Think we can agree our offense is pretty good… Fix the TE’s & RB’s and I’m not too worried… BUT ~ 32nd Ranked Defense is unacceptable!!
#7. Has the team with the 32nd Ranked Defense in the league ever kept their DC? Almost hoping Dom gets the Raiders Job and we get energized with a new DC!!!
#8. Special teams seemed to step up this year… Injuries weren’t as bad… So not too worried on that front… : )
#9. D Line sucked this year… Guess letting Cullen Jenkins go wasn’t such a good idea!
#10. Hoping we can overcome this crushing defeat and get back to work!!! TT better bring his A Game this off season… Up Grades on Defense are a must… Offense needs some minor tweaking… Maybe Edgar Bennet needs to go back to coaching the RB’s?
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by BirdDogUni on Jan 16, 2012 9:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Time to find one that can catch the ball…
And just how are we going to do that? Draft? Free Agency?
by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
What TE is up for FA this year
That’s worth a damn? Maybe the draft can help. There’s tons of quality players out there who are hungrier than Finley.
Hell start playing one of the brazillion TE’s we have on staff.
by churchill92 on Jan 16, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
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by churchill92 on Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
My point is we won't get one in FA or a quality one in the draft...
So it would have to come from within. The only guy with potential is Quarless, and it really sucks he went down with an injury.
by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 16, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
He was developing very nicely too.
Crabtree, Taylor, and Williams are all role players IMO. Similar to Hernandez and Gronkowski. You need to take Gronk out of the game or he will kill you. Hernandez is a good player, but not the same threat as Gronk. Finley is very similar to Gronk. I don’t want him to leave, because he is a special type of player that is a huge match up advantage.
Take your pick
Mike Leach – ARI
Justin Peelle – ATL
Joe Zelenka – ATL
David Martin – BUF
Scott Chandler – BUF
Gary Barnidge – CAR
Jeremy Shockey – CAR
Richie Brockel – CAR
Greg Olsen – CAR
Kellen Davis – CHI
Chase Coffman – CIN®
Garrett Mills – CIN
Bo Scaife – CIN
Alex Smith – CLE
Martellus Bennett – DAL
Martin Rucker – DAL
Daniel Graham – DEN
Daniel Coats – DEN
Jermichael Finley – GB
Joel Dreessen – HOU
Marcedes Lewis – JAC
Jacob Tamme – IND
Jake O’Connell – KC®
Visanthe Shiancoe – MIN
Jim Kleinsasser – MIN
Alge Crumpler – NE
Bear Pascoe – NYG®
Ben Hartsock – NYJ
Matthew Mulligan – NYJ®
David Johnson – PIT®
Chris Baker – SEA
John Carlson – SEA
Kory Sperry – SD®
Randy McMichael – SD
Kris Wilson – SD
Justin Peelle – SF
Billy Bajema – STL
Fred Davis – WAS
Donald Lee
by king.nothing on Jan 16, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 16, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Let's not overreact
TE is not a problem area. Finley, for all of his frustrating habits and loack of focus, is still a matchup nightmare for opposing D Coordinators. He isn’t going any where.
The bigger problem is RB and O-line. Apart from Sitton, the O-line is pedestrian ( I have never been a drinker of the Scott Wells Kool Aid), including Bulaga (RT is the easiset O-line position, by the way). I really think that Thompson needs to invest a high draft pick on a running back for a change — I suppose he’s still smarting about missing on Brandon Jackson in the 2nd round and doesn’t want to do that again, but I just don’t believe that finding discards and undrafted free agents is the way to go.
The biggest problem, of course, is the secondary. I thought last year that Williams played over his head, and this year seems to support that opinion. Somebody said that Burnett is a stud — clearly they didn’t mean Morgan Burnett of the Green Bay Packers, because he is better than a stiff, but not a whole heck of a lot. The loss of Collins was a killer, not only because he was/is (I hope it’s “is”) a very good safety, but also because he ran the secondary.
I really think its just a lack of focus which is why he can make the amazing diving catches and miss the ones that hit him in the chest. He’s thinking ahead to what “amazing move” he is going to put on next. That is just a head thing which can be fixed.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 16, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
A few things
Bulaga was a rock at RT. Solid piece next to Sitton. Wells gets the job done, but with no flash to his game. He’s a great player, and if he was 2 inches taller and weighed 10 lbs more he would be a perennial pro bowler. Outside of that, the other pieces are young and still growing into their positions. You don’t draft someone and expect them to be a star right away. This was Lang’s first season starting at LG, and he was surprisingly good.
As far as RB’s, we have Saine, Starks, and Green. Good group right there. Do you want a blue chip player at every position? Sorry, can’t do that with the salary cap in today’s NFL.
And Burnett was a baller this year. Remember, this is essentially his rookie year because of that injury. Collins didn’t start out as a pro bowler, he grew into it. Burnett is developing very nicely.
32nd Ranked Defense?
Let’s see — we have posters congratulating Thompson for “stealing” Woodson, for choosing Raji and Matthews in the 1st round, and for finding Shields, Williams and Burnett. With all of this talent, however, the defense ranked dead last. Last! So, I take it that the lack of an outside linebacker opposinte Matthews is the reason? Phshaw!
Matthews, of course, is stud no. 1, and kudos for Thompson for seeing that when he drafted him (I admit I didn’t agree with the pick at the time). Raji? Eh. The interception last year against the Bears was nice, though.
The problem with the defense is that the secondary just isn’t very good. Woodson is slowing down (although kudos to Thompson for signing him when he did) and isn’t the cover corner that he was even last year. Williams regressed significantly this year — maybe he was hurt, or maybe he just played over his head last year. I thought Shields had a better year. The big loss was at safety, where the team just never recovered from the loss of Collins. Burnett may improve (yes, free safety is a position where it takes time to develop), but don’t be deceived because he had a few picks and big hits — it’s the nature of that position.
And I take exception with the characterization of Bulaga as a “rock,” unless by that you mean he doesn’t move very quickly. I also take exception to the statement that Wells gets the job done. He is the key to the ineffective running game.
Its your opinion
But I think most here disagree with you. There are many reasons for the 32nd ranked defense, more than just one position. And not all of the reasons lay at the players feet either.
I would argue that this secondary is built to play man to man behind a pressure defense. Similar how the Colts D was built to play with a lead. You take away the pressure or the lead, and the D struggles. Burnett had a good year, and I really don’t know how to convince you otherwise. He is still young, and that’s not what you want from the leader of your secondary. He will continue to improve, and he will make Pro Bowls.
About the OL. Bulaga may not be the best road grader (Though he is still good in run blocking), but he was solid in pass protection this year. He’s a future pro bowler, and possibly all pro. Yes, Wells is undersized, there is no disputing that. Yes, having a bigger center who can move would improve our running game. But he gets the job done in pass protection, and is able to get to the second level sometimes. You can only have stars in so many positions.
I completely agree with this
“I would argue that this secondary is built to play man to man behind a pressure defense.”
We have ball hawks at DB, its their strength. Even with poor pressure this year, they still had a ton of picks.
I’ve been very frustrated with the secondary, but its hard to cover guys for 5-10 seconds. And Burnett played very well down the stretch. I’m very excited to see him continue to develop.
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by Andrew Clark on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
hmm
Do you think there is just a pool of 6-5+ guys that can both block and run a 4.5 40 yard dash that can also catch the ball?
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Really?
Surely you are NOT refering Finley? If footballs were food, that man would starve!
No I referring to his replacement.
…and you are being VERY overdramatic there man considering he was third on the team in receptions, yards and TDs. Now I am defending the guy I was ripping earlier in the year. Shows how the fanbase has swung on him! LOL
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
1st
And he was FIRST in DROPPED PASSES!!!!!!
yup…just like Jones was last year…and clearly Thompson didn’t resign him!
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FTFY
just like Driver was last year
in spite of the widely-held misperception that it was Jones.
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I have a feeling 2012 is going to have a whole new defensive look to it
Might start with a new DC if Capers gets the job in Oakland. We need another OLB opposite Clay for sure, plus a DE that can pass rush…. Dunno if it’s a good idea to move C-wood to safety, but Davon House comes back next season and we’ll see what he brings to the table. More man to man and less zone coverage needs to happen. Our guys were getting burned last night, and that has seemed to be the case when we go up against a decent QB that has a good enough support system this year. I’d just like to see a lot of changes on defense. Offense is fine.. I’m even fine with keeping Grant if he’s cheap, but Fins has got to go if he thinks he’s worth 5 to 6 mil.
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5 million to drop balls?
I think he’s deluding himself. StoneHands Finley will land a good job somewhere else and proceed to bitch and complain he didn’t get the same amount of ball time as the rest of the receiving core.
by churchill92 on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
It is what it is..
It’s a tough loss but it’s what makes winning even better. I really don’t think a lot of changes will be made to coaches aside from the ones that find promotions else where, ie. Philbin, Moss, maybe Perry. I really don’t think we get rid of Capers after ONE bad season, and nor should we. He came in and turned the defense into a top 10 after 1 year. We had a bad season sure but a coach can only coach so much, the rest is on the players.
I think a huge focus in the off season will be getting more physical as a team and focusing on fundamentals. We will lose some players to FA and get some in the draft, but this team is built to win for the long haul and we’ll bounce back.
Looking forward to next season and making another run.
Capers' D was awful 2009 as well
with the same players. Exactly what makes him a good coordinator again? Is he a genius like Gregg Williams, Bellicheck, Cunningham and the other defensive geniuses of the worst defenses in the league?
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 16, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
they actually were top 3 in yards allowed in 2009
they just had a couple games where they got embarrassed by good QBs (Pitt, Minnesota, and Arizona)
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by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so that year they were good in yards, just got scores ran up
this year good in points but bad in yards. something isn’t right there with the defense. and to say cullen jenkins was that important is wrong. what about the games he missed last year. they weren’t this bad then
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Fundamentals and more physical
We need a couple players with mean streaks. An o-lineman (or two) who’s nasty, and an OLB and 1-2 DEs who just relish contact.
And fundamentals – hold on to the ball! If it’s in your hands, protect it. If it’s in the air, catch it. If it’s a hail mary, go after it!
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Free agents this year
Pick who goes and who stays:
QB – Matt Flynn
HB – Ryan Grant
WR – Jordy Nelson
TE – Jermicheal Finley
G – Josh Sitton
C – Scott Wells
OLB – Erik Walden
CB – Jarrett Bush
CB – Pat Lee
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....
Stays – Jordy, Finley, Sitton, Wells
Possible for the right money – Bush, Grant
Goes – Flynn, Lee, Walden,
by stratefaced on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
This is easy
Gone
Gone
Stay
Gone
Stay
Stay
Gone
GONE GO NOW PLEASE
Gone
by churchill92 on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
You realize Bush was actually a really good gunner for us.
Not saying he’s a good defensive player but he is a pretty good ST guy.
by stratefaced on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Depends on the day
I remember him running out of bounds or running into the end zone and didn’t stop the ball.
That and his antics last night taunting/ranting at the giants on the field does not bode well.
by churchill92 on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm happy with him on ST
But I got sick of his taunting/trash talk, whatever it was, Sunday and also in the Lions game. He gets beat way to much while playing D for that.
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by Zundar on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to keep the o-line pieces around
I think we can upgrade from Walden and I am on the fence about Finley. Grant was nice but we could easily upgrade in rounds 2 or 3 of the draft.
by James Stevens on Jan 16, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Nelson was already re-signed
so take him off the list
football does not build character, it reveals character.
so was Sitton actually
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Just went off the list they had at JS online
But…
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
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QB – Matt Flynn – Franchise and trade
HB – Ryan Grant – Bye
WR – Jordy Nelson – Already resigned
TE – Jermicheal Finley – Gone
G – Josh Sitton – Already resigned
C – Scott Wells – Keep
OLB – Erik Walden – Keep
CB – Jarrett Bush – GTFO
CB – Pat Lee – Gone
by king.nothing on Jan 16, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Walden stays?
I was hoping he’d win the spot in training camp but by about midseason I was ready to see him go (was hoping we’d pick up Curry to replace him).
I still think Finley’s better than anything we could (easily) replace him with. It’s not worth a first or second day draft pick to get a new TE when we have so many other spots that need more improvement.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 16, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
i think that depends
on the draft and what we decide to do with the dline
Waldens gone for me
The coaches were getting tired of his performance near the end of the season. He may get a shot at training camp, but I doubt it.
Here you go
Stays – Finley, Bush, Wells (If the price is right)
Goes – Flynn, Grant, Walden, Lee
Nelson and Sitton are already locked up. You probably saw that NFL.com article, and they must have missed those contract extensions for those two.
The Packers aren't going to win anything until they fix the defense
Need someone who can rush the QB and might need a new safety if Collins is done. TT should trade up in the draft and select a real impact player on D
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 16, 2012 10:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions
so 15-1 was just a figment of everyone's imagination?
I know everyone wants to put the blame on someone right now, but come on. The D got a few good stops and held them to field goals a couple times in the red zone. Some of this is on the offense. When you put the ball on the ground 3 times you can’t expect to win. Let’s all just breathe and relax.
by stratefaced on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
They need to fix the defense
They have no one other than Clay who can rush the passer and their secondary is garbage without Collins. If he can’t play again, Packers should trade up for someone like Matheu from LSU or something.
15-1 was nice but they were lucky in a lot of those games.
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 16, 2012 10:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mathieu isn't in the draft.
He’s a sophomore, won’t be eligible until 2013. Plus, I don’t like his style of play. He seems to be to be a boom or bust guy – either he’ll jump a route and take it to the house, or he’ll get burned on a big play. And with Cobb, we don’t need anything more in the return game right now.
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damn, I didn't realize he was that young
regardless, any of those guys in the LSU secondary would be better than what the Packers have right now haha
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 16, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Stick away from Matheu
And we don’t need to trade up that far to get one player. Good players can be found in the second and third round as well you know.
And I would hope we stick away from Matheu. He is way to much hype.
The loss of Jenkins alone could have been ok
but coupled with the loss of Collins,simply made the middle disappear.
by Tarynfor12 on Jan 16, 2012 10:29 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I've seen enough of Finley personally, I'd prefer not to see him in a Packer uniform again
and I think pass rush should be priority number 1, secondary priority number 2, and offensive line priority number 3 (although hopefully Sherrod making a full recovery and Newhouse continuing to improve takes care of that)
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by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think there are any real major concerns to be had about the offense
so I’d hope TT focuses on getting a solid pass rush opposite Matthews. I think there was one play yesterday where he got triple teamed while the two other rushers were negated by single blocks. That just can’t happen, they need someone to take some of the attention away from 52.
Also, I think the Nick Collins injury was bigger than anyone could have imagined. The guy is basically the quarterback of the defense and Charlie Peprah while he is a decent player just seemed lost at times back there. Morgan Burnett will probably play a lot better with an experienced pro bowler next to him.
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Gotta agree that Collins was a big loss. Burnett makes plays and misses plays – which is pretty much normal for an inexperienced safety. He’s got the potential to be very good if he works at it.
Peprah just isn’t athletic enough to be a starter. Great backup, though. And that missed tackle on Nicks was just awful. If you’re not athletic enough you better be fundamentally sound.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
All the pack needs (from a Giants fan perspective, at any rate)
is a bit better of pass rush, and some better tackling. Your offense did have an off-day, but that was the exception, not the norm. Your defense getting toasted though, that was happening all year.
Fix those two things on D, and your team becomes far less vulnerable to what happened yesterday.
The comments by Driver today concern me
I hope the Packers don’t cut him
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 16, 2012 10:51 AM CST via mobile reply actions
He wants to keep playing and if the Packers cut him he will play elsewhere
Wilde and Dunne speculate DD may be gone because the Packers really like Gurley and Borel a lot
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 16, 2012 10:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
TT doesn't seem as nostalgic as far as franchise icons as the last regime did
I hope he can stay but the future…
by James Stevens on Jan 16, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
personally I'm neutral on him
if they keep him, cool. If they don’t, cool.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Thats tough
I love DD, and I think he could contribute for another year or two. He’s showed up in some key moments for us, one hell of a player. My favorite packer too.
But football is a business, and it doesn’t make sense to pay your #5 WR 2.6 million dollars. Especially when you can use that spot to get a young guy with potential some playing time who also costs 1.4 million less.
I'm an out of market fan from the Holmgren days
the offense wasn’t great, dropped balls happen in the cold, our running game was off all year, I think that is where we need to get better. The giants could pass rush like made because they knew we couldn’t run. I love Grant and Starks but would love to see what could happen if we could add a guy like Trent Richardson to the mix (he may be around in the late 1st too)
I'd be shocked if Richardson makes it out of the top 10.
From a pure talent perspective, I think he’s the best NFL RB prospect since AP. I still think Ball should have received more Heisman votes than he did because of production, but Richardson is a monster.
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still there are a lot of options in the late 1st and 2nd that are really nice
I’d love to see a guy like Chris Polk from Washington (maybe NW bias) but knows how to be a great RB in a pass happy offense can catch and block too.
by James Stevens on Jan 16, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I can’t see us going RB with our top pick with all the needs on defense.
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a runningback
is pretty much a wasted pick. especially for an offense like the packers
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 16, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
It's also happens to the hot team that cools off and then deals with an off week
see the Vikings 15-1, Chargers in many a year, the Cowboys, and the Colts have succumb to it. If you think about it the Giants are like the Chargers of the NFC, they play up and down to competition and get hot in November and December which makes them dangerous in January.
The team is in a much better position than in 2004
The 2004 team was barely a playoff contender and very far away from the Super Bowl. They don’t need a complete rebuild like in 05 and 06 right now. And this team was one of the league’s best despite its defensive issues.
The 04 team really took advantage of a weak division
The Vikings were 8-8, the Bears and Lions were lucky to combine for their 9 wins, and the Packers went 5-1 against the NFC North. Of course, they lost 47-17 to Philadelphia, 48-27 to the Tennessee Titans TRAITORS IN LAMBEAU, and 45-31 to Indianapolis. Not the most consistent team in the world by any means…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 16, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
why are Tennessee traitors?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Perhaps these work better...
- Zombie Oilers
- Fighting A**holes Bud Adamses (actually, those two things are one and the same)
Houston fans call them the
BESFs.
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You don't want to make drastic changes to a 15-2 team
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Sure, they could use some db help but look at the way the league is going … remember, yards don’t matter, points matter.
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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
anybody else think this team might have peaked too early?
remember the Pats in 2007, how they started out dominant, then as the year went on they played more and more close games, struggled more on both sides of the ball, and eventually it cost them? This year reminds me of that.
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I do
This game seemed to be played by 1 team that was peaking and 1 team that peaked a month or so ago.
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peaking really only has to do with
peaking in complacency. and from what the players had to say after the game, that occured
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 16, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
or showing too much too early in the season
and by the time the playoffs come, teams have a pretty solid book on how to slow you down
football does not build character, it reveals character.
the defense was bad all season, no need for opponents to adjust to that
and the receivers and ball carriers just weren’t focused in the game. Nothing really to do with peaking here
by Glenn'sYank13 on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Defense Is the Key To Packers Future
This is a no-brainer…the Packer’s defense this year was putrid. TT must get both a pass rushing DE and also a OLB that can both pass rush and stop the run. Raji needs a partner up front and CM needs someone else to meet him at the QB. Don’t think getting rid of Finley is a good idea. There is no replacement in the draft or FA to replace him but don’t pay him to much. The secondary will be a hellva lot better if they don’t have to pass defend for such long periods of time. The defense has to be built for post season play when pass rushing can make all the difference between winning and losing. Although the Texans lost over the weekend look at what they are doing on the defensive side of the ball. That is the kind of defense that the Packers need to develop.
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Its really easy to say you can find a bunch of guys who can replace him…its another to actually find one. He’s still better than the TEs on 20-24 teams in the league and that is just based on production…the potential is there to move up higher.
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, so he goes
Who you gonna replace him with? No one on our roster is the same type of TE as him, and there aren’t any like him in free agency. Your gonna have to use one of your top 3 picks to get a similar player like him. That’s gonna mean less help for this defense, what everyone agrees needs to improve.
Embarrassing loss
1) McCarthy needs A LOT of blame! His cock management skills are terrible! his idea of what to challenge & not to challenge are not good. Then his idea to ONSIDE KICK was dumb as dumb could be! The ONLY thing DUMBER was helping the Giants out with 14 seconds left by calling a DEFENSIVE timeout to help the Giants call their play, get the right personell in & set the proper formation!
2) TT needs to draft a PASS RUSHER to help Matthews out! Seems like the only consistent pass rusher is Matthews & Woodson (when he blitzes!). Pickett & Raji are run stuffers ONLY who should ONLY be playing INSIDE! Neither are quick enough or fast enough to handle the edges. And speaking of Matthews, let him decide more of where to rush from! Make the offensive lines guess more where Matthews will be coming from!
3) Capers needs to have more faith in DBs to allow them to play MAN more often! It looked like all year long, zone coverage killed the Packers cuz it gave receivers more time (due to lack of pass rush) to sit in soft spots in the zone coverage!
As far as Finley goes, screw him! For a year now or so, hes been crying about not being able to help the Packers win cuz he was hurt. Now he had his chance & he never did correct his biggest fault of DROPPING EASY PASSES!!!!!! His talents do NOT outweigh his drops. He consistently drops easy passes. When the ball is thrown his way, as a Packer fan you think “OMG, will he catch it or drop it?” That reminds me of Favre when he would drop back to pass, “Will he throw to our guys or their guys?”
That's part of the risk reward.
I thought the onside kick was actually a pretty good idea. They needed something to get the team some momentum. If we had recovered, people would be praising MM’s coaching and leadership. But again, risk and reward.
As far as a rusher, this is why you don’t have a job as a GM. TT drafts BAP, which stands for Best Available Player. He won’t draft out of need or desperation and you know what, his scouting skills are coveted by many teams. Does he have some busts, absolutley, but it comes with the territory. Also Clay said he likes rushing from the left, because it feels more natural.
So although the loss was painful, I wasn’t embarrassed. We got beat, end of story. I don’t blame anyone, because it is just a game.
Wrong!
Not everybody agrees! Even if onside kick worked, bad decision! just when U had a lil MO (momentum) swing your way yet our defense was struggling, U kick the ball deep & make the Giants go a long field to score, NOT give them a short field! Even though they didnt score, that change in FP (Field Position) was crucial! It took all the mo out of the game!
Actually, its called BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. At least you can do is get it correct.
TT needs to make an ADJUSTMENT too, like coaches & players! By allowing Cullen Jenkins to sign elsewhere (although, knowing how cheap the eagles got him, I’m sure Ted would have offered him the dsame if not a little more), the pass rush was nonexistent without any blitz! hell, even when the Packers blitzed, they rarely applied the kind of pass rush you hope to apply when U blitz any NFL QB!
Blame needs to be pointed out. For a 15-1 team to get beat at home vs a 9-7 team is EMBARRASSING! When was the last time the Packers WON A HOME PLAYOFF GAME? Seattle in 2007. Before that? Thats what I thought!
meh…I was fine with the onside. If we get it, the team has a burst of confidence and excitement, the crowd is pumped and we have the ball quickly. ITs not like our D was really slowing Manning down anyway!
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Ends do not justify means!
You dont take a chance in that situation! The RISK was far HIGHER than the REWARD! Take off the green & yellow colored glasses!
What about the TIMEOUT with 14 seconds to go???? Nobody is talking about that!!!!
Are you accusing ME of having green and gold colored glasses? LOL
Risk vs reward? Had we stopped the Giants on any drive yet at that point. They could have started on the 5 or the 45 and they were marching right down the field. Where is the risk?
Oh and the timeout was meaningless…the clock was already stopped.
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Wow dude easy...
Terribly sorry that one game is life or death for you but it’s not for me. You need to relax and just cool off. Second it is BAP so I actually did get that correct, therefore stop being a dick. TT made a business move. That’s what football is, a business. We lost Nick Collins too, are you going to blame the coaches and players for that? It is a game and everything will be fine in the end.
By the way if you want to start correcting me it’s you not U.
by stratefaced on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
His cock management skills are terrible!
WOH! What were YOU watching last night? I have no clue about those skills of his…
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Am I one of the only people on here who liked the onside kick call?
Thought it maybe was used a little early (maybe save it for a quarter later when we have more proof the giants are retreating too quickly on the kickoff with their heads turned) but still.
Defense was struggling, offense starting to move the ball. I didn’t think it was a bad call. Just like when we used it in the Patriots game last year.
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by Andrew Clark on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
i didnt
even if we got it..#1 seed, favorite, at home…i know hes done it in the past but its usually reserved for an underdog trying to steal a possession
So maybe thats what made it a good idea?
Crap, I’ve been playing too much Madden…
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by Andrew Clark on Jan 16, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't like it that early
But other than, I really like surprise onside kicks.
I had no problem with it.
He tried to do something to get the team going. The whole team looked off. Maybe he figured if it worked then the crowd would get even more fired up and maybe the team would snap put of it. Didn’t work, but I’m not upset that he tried.
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His "Cock management" skills?
Hmm… you must know him more intimately than the rest of us!
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Takeaways
1. Giants obviously went to school on the KC game. Other teams will do likewise. What did we learn? What will we do about it?
2. Better-than-average secondary was unable to compensate for lack of a pass rush. Fixing that lack is priority #1. Who (not what) will fix it?
3. Capers was dealt a very weak hand and played a high-risk/high reward scheme which was unlikely to succeed in the playoffs. Collins is iffy, Woodson is aging, Peprah is a career backup. Now what—especially if injuries strike again?
4. We’ll qualify for the playoffs in 2012. What 3 actions can TT take to build a Super Bowl team?
Anemic pass rush + decidedly below average pass protection + WR drops + fumbles = disaster
That’s not a surprise, is it?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 16, 2012 6:48 PM CST reply actions
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