A Plea For Sanity
by texwestern on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM CST
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Ladies and gentlemen, I know last night was difficult. Perhaps that word doesn't sum up how we feel after that crushing end to a marvelous season. But I beg of you: do not forget that this was, in fact, a marvelous season.
Calendar year 2011 saw the Packers lose once in twenty contests (that mattered) over 365 days. Starting with the January 2nd win against the Bears, our beloved team won nineteen football games. They won three playoff games on the road, including one more against our most bitter and respected rival, to earn the opportunity to play on the biggest stage. They then emerged victorious against another storied and respected franchise.
During this season, our quarterback shattered league and team records. The offense was nearly unstoppable for almost the entire season. Young players emerged and played well during important and meaningful opportunities. Do not forget the breathtaking manners in which our team earned victories - a goal line stand on opening night, dominating performances against division rivals, last-minute scoring drives, and a backup standing tall and delivering the final win of the year. These are memories which will last a lifetime.
Yes, our season is over a few weeks before we had hoped. Yes, the defense has many issues which need to be solved before next year begins. Yes, several of our players made mistakes over the course of our final contest. And yes, we are all reeling from a disappointing result in a game which we believed we could win. But do not let your intense negative emotions in the present detract from the positives of the past and the future of our team.
Soon, judgments will be made on the future of the franchise by people far more qualified than you or I. I am certain that none of us will agree with every decision that is made in the next several months, and let us discuss these decisions in a civil manner when the time is right. But now, in the disappointment that clouds the aftermath of defeat, let us not lay judgment on individuals for their performances on one day. Instead, let us take a step back; let us breathe before we react; let us mourn. And let us celebrate. For while we will not taste the ultimate victory this year, remember that taste from the last time, and know that it is well within our grasp for the next.
Do not be overcome by the moment, ladies and gentlemen, for we are the spirit of the Green Bay Packers.
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With all due respect
No.
I’m angry and want to blame sombody!!! LET ME EMOTE DAMNIT!!!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
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by Hyatt on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Great post
This was a damn fun season and although it didn’t end the way we wanted it to, the future is still very bright for the Packers.
Taked baby. Meet at later bar, night or day sometime.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 16, 2012 12:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
agreed
although I’ve seen the Packers play in ATL and Nashville, this year was the first time I actually got to come to Lambeau. It was the night we beat the ever living out of the viqueens. This season was special, and a lot of fun to watch.
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 17, 2012 1:44 AM CST up reply actions
Amen
I was hearing harps and gregorian chants while reading that.
Thank you.
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 16, 2012 12:15 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
You are totally right about the "blame game"
As I was saying in the other thread. Camera angles are deceiving, the camera doesn’t show the entire field. We have no idea what the play call was, who did or didn’t run the right route. Who did or didn’t run their defensive assignment correctly. Who is or isn’t really injured (since teams like to keep that info secret). What type of defense THEY are in — what coverage WE are in. And a thousand other uncertainties.
That’s why coaches in the post game presser always say “We’ll need to view the film” — that is, look at the entire game from multiple angles, etc., before passing grades/blame.
In the end, — we really need to rely on the experts. In our case, that means the brain trust headed by Ted Thompson, which has delivered double digit winning seasons four of the last five years, including the Super Bowl last year. Dang-it!
McCarthy we Trust, In Thompson We Worship
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Thanks, this truly was a legendary season
Most of my ire comes from the fact that out of all the playoff teams we lost to, it was the $%#@ New York Giants. That’s still hard to swallow. But we’ll be back, and a future postseason victory against them will be all the sweeter.
It still doesn’t take away the great things we did. If we can keep our offense in tact and even just get an AVERAGE defense, imagine what we can do.
That doesn't make any sense. It sucks that they lost, and it would have sucked no
matter who it came against.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
No. Fuck the Giants.
Fuck the whole NFC East.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I guess I just think differently then.
To me, the season turned into “anything less than a second Super Bowl win is a disappointment” mode sometime around Halloween. It was at that point that it was evident the Packers would have home field.
What I’m saying is that any playoff loss sucks, especially when the only acceptable outcome for the season is a championship.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
the whole “best division in the nfc” shit is so annoying. the’yre the worst top to bottom. the only reason they’re in the playoffs at all is becuase they beat up on their shitty division, and we’re the ones with the “soft record”? screw their arrogant selves. Personally, I hope they win the super bowl so we get the marquee matchup with them on thursday week one, to kick the living hell out of them and run up the score like nobody but the saints knows how to do. I want to make a definitive statement week one by killing someone, and blue blood looks mighty purty.
by Nels Winkler on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Imagine our offense
With the defensive stylings of the Baltimore Ravens? (I can dream, can’t I?) Anyway, yeah, it was a great season, had some hard fought games, and Aaron Rodgers looked damn good even with all the drops in his 15 games. I seriously hope the offensive scheme sticks next year, and they try to work on defense a bit. And another silver lining, our team swept the NFC North this year. When was the last time that happened in that division? Pretty damn good if ya ask me. Yeah, the playoff loss sucks, but what can ya do? The Packers didn’t play like they should, and the Giants took advantage. At least we didn’t lose to the Bears last year (my personal silver lining)
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
I still don’t think we are that far away from it. I think this defense still has the players but need one or two pieces. Hopefully that will be addressed in the offseason appropriately.
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats whats so annyoing
we have the playmakers on defense to be great
The salary cap
Makes that kind of impossible. Today’s free agency rules do that as well. The 80s and 90s were the last of seeing completely dominant on both sides of the ball teams.
Last year's team was damn close.
The injuries are the only thing that kept us from that.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
it's better this way
gives more opportunity to bottom feeding franchises to have some success, especially with the new rookie wage scale.
Although some teams will surely still manage to suck year after year (looking at you, Buffalo and Cleveland)
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Add Minnesota to that list
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Negatory, my cross-borders fan.
For a team to suck year after year, they have to suck year after year.
We have only sucked some years.
Even when Minnesota doesn't suck
they still suck. It’s a running theme for Minnesota sports (and I’m a Twins fan)
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
It only seems that way...
I mean, UMD did win a national championship in WCHA hockey, and might repeat… So we have that going for us, which is nice.
That and the Twins did win two World Series titles in my lifetime. So it is not all bad. But it would be nice to win a Super Bowl at some point.
I'm actually a Minnesota kid
So I’m being somewhat facetious. It does seem to be a trend currently in the major sports, though.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
You're living in the past.
For a team to suck year after year, they have to suck year after year.
We have only sucked some years.
TGPackersTwins19 was talking about the future.
And, in the postseason, the Vikings have always sucked.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 18, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep...
Which is why we have been to the NFC title game 8 times and the Super Bowl 4 times since the merger. Sure, we have yet to win the Super Bowl, but the Packers have only been to the NFC championship game 5 times and the Super Bowl 3 times in that same time frame.
"since the merger"
nice time frame for you to pick
13.
by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And boasting about losing
The merger was in 1970, after the Queens lost their first SB.
Even accepting the rather convenient way to exclude the Packers’ first two SB wins, he’s boasting about going 3-5 (not 4-4) in the NFC title game (.375), and points out for us that the Packers are .600, and fails to mention that while the Packers are 2 out of 3 when advancing, the Queens are, as we all know, a perfect .000.
Maybe they’ll finally discover what it’s like to win a SB once they’re in LA.
The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
- Vince Lombardi
by PackersOwnersBox on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not boasting about anything...
Just responding to a comment claiming our franchise sucks… Which, BTW, I have not made any negative statements about the Packers.
Do you really want the Vikings to move to LA? If you do, then you are not a football fan.
I fail to see any logic in this statement.
Do you really want the Vikings to move to LA? If you do, then you are not a football fan.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 19, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you really are willing to screw up a dynamic such as the NFC north...
… just because you “hate” the Vikings, then you are more interested in satisfying your own need to make others miserable than actually enjoying the game.
The reason the NFC north is such a great division is because we are all so closely linked together. The proximity means you regularly come in contact with fans of your rivals and that enhances the experience.
Would you really rather have the St Louis Rams be part of the NFC north over the Vikings?
We've only played the Vikings 10 more times than the Rams.
They were the Packers/Bears/Lions divisional rival from ‘37-67. Detroit & Chicago are both 100+ miles closer to St Louis than to Minneapolis. Plus, they’d add three championships to the division.
I’m not really “rooting” for either way, but I don’t think having the Rams as a divisional rival would be all that bad.
13.
by Wiedmann on Jan 20, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
True...
But there are many less fans that remember those days than are active fans now.
Also, I would wager that many if not most of the Packer fans west of Madison enjoy the Packer-Vikings rivalry more than the Packers-Bears.
I'm a Packers fan west of Madison (Anchorage)
and, to me, you’re just a division rival (for now), while the Bares are our arch-rivals.
Always have been, always will be.
The same would be true with the Rams.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 22, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well,
With a lack of Wikipedia due to the SOPA and PIPA blackouts, I was left with information that was unsubstantiated. I went with what I had at the time.
Um,
Even with Wikipedia, you would be left with information that was unsubstantiated.
If you believe otherwise, then you have about as much credibility as Wikipedia, LMAO.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
There is a difference between 'references'
and ‘reliable references’.
Wikipedia is the former.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 21, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But, you go ahead and rely on Wikipedia if you want.
I won’t, without a corroberation from somewhere else.
And, if you cite them, it doesn’t give any added credibility to whatever point you are trying to make, haha.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 21, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
pro-football-reference.com
I would never trust Wikipedia for stats.
Author at Acme Packing Company
by texwestern on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Um...
in the postseason, the Vikings have always sucked.
The four times you have made it to the Super Bowl (both before and after the merger), you sucked in the Super Bowl (part of the post-season, as I understand it).
And, the five other times that you made the NFC Championship Game, you sucked in the NFC Championship Game (also part of the post-season, as I understand it).
The TRUTH is that the only times that you guys haven’t sucked in the post-season are the times that you haven’t participated, due to too much sucking in the regular season.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 22, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
they were a play away from the Super Bowl two years ago, and probably should have won it all (not that that really matters, as we all just were reminded of yesterday)
hardly a downtrodden franchise
football does not build character, it reveals character.
That was the 1996 team
No 1 in points scored, no. 1 in scoring defence.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Rodgers press conference words as to this being
the last time together for some,IMO means he has given up on Finley without saying it directly,as he told another reporter that a certain question was unfair and unhappy he even posed it to him.
Or he could be referring to Driver, or Clifton, or anyone else who has a contract
that is expiring. The only thing he means by that is some guys who were on the team this year won’t be back next year. It’s the nature of the business.
Personally – and I said this a couple times last night – Finley deserves the same chance to cure “the drops” that James Jones got. Jones dropped a lot of big passes during the playoff run last year (or maybe it was just the one against Philly, but it was a big one), and Finley deserves the same opportunity. We’ve all seen what he can do when he’s on his game.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
A player of Finleys so called or expected ability/potential
shouldn’t be suffering these pangs as often as he does.I know great players have bad games,he just strings them in bunches and that is too much and hard to keep sweeping away as a head problem.
YOTTO TEs perform every week;Gronc,Gram,Davis etc,Finleys YOTTO lasts only as long as it takes him to type/tweet/speak or hand fin-fish gesture it.
That question
Was them asking how Rodgers felt about the receivers dropping a decent number of balls yesterday. How is a QB supposed to answer that? Rodgers has never thrown a teammate under a bus, why would he start now.
I highly doubt he has given up on Finley. When Finley’s head gets put on straight, he will be a huge asset to any team and will be able to take their offense to the next level. Give the guy a chance. Good thing Rodgers didn’t give up on Nelson in the Superbowl because he dropped a few passes. And this is definitely the last year for a few packers. Grant and Walden come to mind instantly.
Nelson had 4 drops in the Super Bowl last year,
and Finley had two last night.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Rodgers was really pissed when they asked that question
you could tell by the look he gave the guy and the way he started to answer before collecting himself.
A good leader doesn’t pass off the blame to his teammates, and he is a good leader.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
That he is.
Rodgers is a class-act. The reporter is a turd.
Did Finley really drop that many passes? The only one I recall is the one where he had to dive for it, and I wouldn’t credit that as a drop.
Final count is two drops for him
Unless you want to be really strict, in which case it is three.
Does anyone else think that Rodgers may throw the ball a bit to hard on every pass? I remember Finley talking about the heat Rodgers puts on every pass he catches, maybe Rodgers should tone the speed down some? If you asked Driver who throws passes with more zing between Favre and Rodgers, I wonder what his answer would be.
The throw in question was certainly thrown too hard.
He could have made that pass had he taken a little off… But that is walking a fine line.
As far a who throws with more zing… I would still have give it to Favre in his prime. Rodgers has a strong arm, but not that strong.
Driver, Jennings, and Jones, have all said that as long as Rodgers has been there along with them
he has thrown with more zip than Favre.
Jones even went so far as to say that, back when he was the backup, Rodgers was ‘making throws in practice that Brett was not able to make’
football does not build character, it reveals character.
James Jones?
You mean the guy who wasn’t even on the team when Favre was there? Also, saying that Rodgers made throws that Favre was not able to make does not mean Rodgers has a stronger arm. More accurate? Likely yes.
We also have to consider that Jennings was only with Favre later in his career, so it would make sense that the arm strength was waning when he came along. I would trust Driver’s judgement on the matter, but I have only found quotes from Jennings claiming Rodgers had the stronger arm.
It is very hard to quantify; but I still maintain that in his prime Favre had the stronger arm.
.....................................
You mean the guy who wasn’t even on the team when Favre was there?
You mean the guy who wasn’t even on the team when Favre was there?
You mean the guy who wasn’t even on the team when Favre was there?
You mean the guy who wasn’t even on the team when Favre was there?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Jones was on the team for Favre's rennaissance year in 2007, when he led them to a 13-3 record
football does not build character, it reveals character.
the diving one was a bad throw
but judging by the reactions, Finley pulled up when Rodgers was expecting him to continue full speed, which is why that throw looked so off
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I think he was referring to a few players and I don’t think Finley is one of them. Why would he have ANY clue what is going to happen with Finley, especially already. I think he’s probably referring to guys like Driver, Grant, Clifton, etc that are either at the end of a contract or who’s writing has been on the wall for a while. GB has been working at resigning Finley for a while now so him leaving is FAR from imminent.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Working on resigning Finley for a while now
A)pay him as a top WR….No
B)pay him as a top TE….No
C)Tag him and over pay him even for one year and endure more “head lapses”….No
D)Tag him and let him walk next year…No
E)Let another team over pay and endure his YOTTO and get a COMP pick…why not.
F)get him to admit he has been a loss and sign for low money and prove himself once and for all….sure.
G)Make a Tag and Trade and make everyone happy….PLEASE
Tag and trade?
First, that is technically against the rules. Second, what do you suppose we get for him? Third, how do you propose we replace him?
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Technically yes but even the NFL guys talk that it happens..hush hush of coarse
and you feel only a 3rd for the beast that is FIlet of FINLET er sorry,FINLEY.Geez,we expect at least a 3rd for Flynn.Well,NE found two TEs in one draft,so like Rambo said in #2,"there are others out there…find them or I’ll find you…TT.
In my head....
I see Bill Belichek with a thought bubble above his head reading “Technically Schmectially”.
by Bjorno on Jan 16, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're wrong.
I think Rodgers was only referring to the fact that every team has some turnover in personnel every year, meaning that this is the last time that this particular group of 53 guys plays together, which is true.
With any franchise, in any sport, each year’s version is a slightly different team, and I really don’t think that Rodgers meant it any other way than that.
Maybe I’m wrong, but, that’s the way I took his comments when I first heard them.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 18, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
perfect storm
Rodgers’ first bad game since God knows when
Kuhn’s first fumble in his career
Eli’s first 300 yd playoff game
First Hail Mary to work in a meaningful game since Doug Flutie
Finley’s first dropped pass since the previous play…
Just wasn’t our day
Thanks for the Bikini Girls=)
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 16, 2012 1:02 PM CST reply actions
And seriously. What's up with hail mary's this year?
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
More like a team not ready
Woodson and Shields, I think, trying to decide who covers who and they both cover the same guy? Rodgers goes to hand the ball of to Starks and they both stand there a second until Rodgers takes off up the middle? Finley is uncovered and thinks Rodgers will throw it one place while Rodgers thinks Finley will go to another? Same thing with Rodgers and Jennings early?
This looked more like a preseason game than a postseason game.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
I actually think that one was a designed qb run. It just felt like one.
Right now I’m leaning towards coaching being the issue, but I won’t have a fully formed opinion for a few months.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Rodgers’ first bad game since God knows when
Since the Chiefs game?
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Neither time was really on Rodgers
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
yeah he still played better than about any other NFL Qb would have under those circumstances in both of those games
I’d love to see Tom Brady or Drew Brees try to run around as much as he had to last night and still make plays throwing the ball
football does not build character, it reveals character.
There is no doubt Rodgers is far better on the run than Brady/Brees
Imagine what he could do with a solid O-Line…
You can explain it this way and that but
it still wasn’t a good game from Rodgers. And even if Rodgers was better than Brady or Brees would have, it was still a big fat loss.
There’s no question that. Rodgers can play at a high level, but he didn’t last night.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 16, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
maybe but
it’s pretty damn hard to get in a rhythm when your WRs and TEs dropped more passes in that game than they should have in a month
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 17, 2012 1:50 AM CST up reply actions
Head up
We proved the only team that can beat us is ourselves and that’s better than any other team can say.
If we can come away with a solid DE and OLB from this off season and just add depth to other positions… we will be unstoppable. There’s a lot to look forward to
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 16, 2012 1:13 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I agree with you except for:
We proved the only team that can beat us is ourselves and that’s better than any other team can say.
The Giants beat us plain and simple. The Packers didn’t do themselves any favors with the mistakes and such, but let’s give the Giants the credit they deserve. Not only did the play better but they also looked more prepared.
We have a great team right now, but if we want more titles something needs to be done on defense. The offense can beat anyone, but if their off for some reason, whether it’s poor play from them, a great job by the other team’s defense, or a combo of reasons, the defense isn’t good enough to be counted on to win the game. That’s why I still believe that offense wins games and defense wins championships.
That being said, I don’t think this defense is very far from being good enough. It’s pretty close. And I have total faith in the front office to make the right decisions.
I Trust Ted!
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
by Zundar on Jan 16, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No.
The Packers had three lost fumbles & countless dropped passes. They beat themselves. The Giants were there to capitalize on them, but if the Packers don’t make those mistakes, they win the game.
13.
by Wiedmann on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The Giants forced the fumbles. Then they recovered them. Yes, the Packers made the mistakes, but part of the reason they made the mistakes was because the Giants were outplaying them.
And as to the drops, they dropped a lot of passes this year and went 15-1. They dropped several passes in the playoffs last year and won, including the Super Bowl. In those games they overcame the mistakes because they were the better team, on Sunday they didn’t overcome them because they weren’t the better team.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
by Zundar on Jan 18, 2012 2:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Great ball security always beats great fumble forcing.
The Giants really weren’t outplaying the Pack, they were out-disciplining the Pack. If just a few of those dropped passes are caught, the drives are extended, and the Giants D is more worn out & the Packers D gets more rest.
13.
by Wiedmann on Jan 18, 2012 3:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope. The Giants beat us. Don’t be the kind of fan that can’t admit when you got your butt kicked. This wasn’t a game where you could have won it if one or two things didn’t go wrong. Our offense sucked (partially due to the Giants playing very well), our defense sucked (partially due to the Giants executing), etc. This game was a very clear win for the Giants…
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by TrevorR on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
The Giants certainly beat us and they deserve credit for it. However, the Packers deserve a fair amount of blame for failing to show up for this game in just about every area.
They were out coached, out played in the trenches, out played on offense and out played on defense.
How the Packers let themselves be pushed around and battered by a team that, at least on paper, is clearly inferior to them is a little mind-boggling to me. Maybe all the trash talking the Giants did all week got into the Packers heads? Who know. All I now is that, as a fan, I expected them to go the Super Bowl, not lose to a lesser ten at Lambeau and look pathetic in the process.
Wow...
Heck, you guys even got two late Christmas presents from the refs that anyone with eyesight better than Mr Magoo could see were not what they were called and you still lost.
The Giants are a team with enough offensive firepower to keep up with your offense, and has a defense that was strong enough to limit your offense. Give credit where credit is due.
plenty of people did
even the post right above yours..looks like ur just coming here looking for some confrontation..troll?
by packers34 on Jan 16, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure, which is why I only posted one comment in this entire thread.
If I was looking for confrontation, I would make more blatantly instigating comments in multiple conversations.
It does not matter if someone else above me gave credit, as I was not responding to them. I was responding to uofmike.
It sounds more like you are trying to goad me into a confrontation, and I simply will not bite.
you've already bitten.
you expect everyone here to agree that we didn’t beat ourselves? i disagree with uofmike, but what do you want, everyone to worship at the throne of eli? he stated an opinion on the blog of his favorite team, why don’t you take your superiority complex someplace else?
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 16, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Umm... no.
Superiority complex? A Vikings fan?
I don’t see you replying to the comments from the two other Packers fans who essentially said the same thing I did.
my bad, i assumed you were a giants fan. i gave you too much credit.
Wow…
Heck, you guys even got two late Christmas presents from the refs that anyone with eyesight better than Mr Magoo could see were not what they were called and you still lost.
they said something similar to this? because i must have missed those parts, troll.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 16, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Stating facts is not trolling...
Save the troll label for someone who deserves it. Bad calls happen in every game, but you would have to be crazy to argue that the “non-fumble” and the Helmet to Helmet call were anything but ridiculous.
And yes, they essentially said the same thing I did; which is that the Giants were the better team on Sunday. I know that sucks to hear, especially from another fanbase, but it’s the truth. If anyone knows how much it sucks to make it to the playoffs only to lose, it’s a Vikings fan.
by Bjorno on Jan 16, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
terminology has everything to do with trolling.
you said vaguely the same thing, maybe, but went out of your way to try to demean a poster here. i know what happened in the game (sadly) but i’m not over on rival blogs looking for controversy after they lose. why do you care what a packer fan has to say about a game your team didn’t even participate in? you are, in fact, a troll. blather on all you want, i’m done here.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 16, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
I sure as hell interpret it as trolling
But I expect nothing less from a Vikings fan. By the way, enjoy their last season in South Canada. Then you’ll be shoulder to shoulder with Laker fans that could give two shits about an NFL team in their town
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
Yea, as if all Vikings fans are are bad people or something.
You do realize that EVERY fanbase has turds, and yours is no different?
If I was indeed trolling, this whole conversation would have played out much differently.
The only reason I am labeled as a troll is because I am not a Packers fan, and I mentioned the bad calls. Did I say anywhere in my statements that the Packers are a bad team, or anything else that a normal troll would state? Did I call anyone a name, disrespect any poster or cross any line with my statements? No.
You are just knee-jerk reacting to my comments because you are still upset about a tough loss.
Can we have one Pack fan at least stand up and agree with me that those two calls were terrible?
by Bjorno on Jan 16, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's hopeless.
This is the least welcoming blog in sbnation.
Tons of packers fans come to DN, and they are able to have civil conversations. But if we come here to try it, the troll word comes out almost immediately
I only came here because I was tired of talking about FA and the draft...
Figured that since I was not a Giants fan, that I would not have a target on my back. Looks like I was wrong.
In that case
This is the least welcoming blog in sbnation.
Welcome to APC… and you can get the fuck out
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
no problem buddy
I don’t come here often, but I am surprised that you guys are still obsessed with R4F. He’s in your signature line and I see him mentioned below as well. Have to wonder how many other posts his name comes up in. He must have accomplished his goal.
"Accomplished his goal"?
If that goal was having us laugh our asses off at him for years to come, then mission accomplished. Lulz for all.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
He gives us some good laughs over at DN as well....
He is a universal troll, and we take no responsibility.
Probably didn't see one of his last posts
He was defending a lot more than just Favre’s playing last time. lol
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
Why did Chris Gates send you over here to troll?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
YEAH TOTALLY LOL
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Find a single posts where any Packers fan is blaming anything other than the Packers' shortcomings.
I’ll wait.
2011: A wasted year
haha
u bit. so speaking of “facts” you are indeed a troll
Right, so the one where he says the Packers beat themselves.
It’s almost as if he’s saying it’s all the Packers fault they lost! I AM NOW AS OUTRAGED AS YOU ARE ROBBLEROBBLEROBBLE!
2011: A wasted year
By the way, you're apparently missing my point.
When the Packers lose we don’t blame refs, the Illuminati, ninjas, or anything else. The reason you don’t see anyone here given the Giants their due is because we don’t really think they played all that well. Oh, wait! this thread and many of the other ones posted in the past day have given them plenty of credit, and you’re just an idiot. But still, if the Packers execute, they win. They didn’t and that’s why they lost, regardless of how well the Giants played.
2011: A wasted year
Like I said before...
I was not responding to the other posts that did give the Giants credit, I was responding to the post that did not.
Thanks...I needed that.
I appreciate the pep talk. This is my 50th year on this earth. I have been a Packer fan for every one of those years. (my dad was a rabid fan). This one hurts (as much as any others), but time heals all wounds. Fortunately, I have faith in what I believe is the best franchise in the NFL. Sure, there’s many people I’d like to blame (from my arm chair), but I won’t. I believe it was a bad game at a bad time. Something that worried me all season. But I know The Pack Will Be Back! (they always are)
Thanks to the Packers and everyone here ...
it’s been a blast all year long and it’s too bad that it didn’t end the way we all wanted it to, but this team will be better for it and will be a lot hungrier but smarter moving forward. With the talent that surrounds this team I really believe that the Super Bowl is coming back to Lambeau in the not to distant future.
The offence is fine, but just needs to tweak the running game to be a little more effective to give the Pack some balance. Something that it the passing game is awry then it gives you a second option, a base if you will.
The defence is far from unrepairable. The possibility of the return of one of the games best safeties in Nick Collins is going to have an immediate impact just in confidence alone and Burnett got valuable experience this year and should be better moving forward. Another DE and a reliable pass rusher should help this team going forward and back to the dominant ways of the 2010 run to glory. More of a aggressive rather than a passive one should be an emphasis more than anything.
It was a lot of fun and there will be more to follow and thanks to Brandon and everyone here on such a remarkable season – 15-1 is nothing to sneeze at!
Proud fan of the 2010 Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks and the 2010 Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers.
"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself into one."
I'm split
Positive – underboob
Negative – Worst pass defense in NFL history
by gangstaff on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
And I thought I was the only one thinking of that positive
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
by P-Townfan on Jan 16, 2012 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Nope.
Far from it.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Is underboob better than side boob?
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
This sounds like a discussion for the Open Thread...
/consider it done :D
by mike_o on Jan 16, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FIRE TED
(someone had to say it)
also 2011 the Packers released more shares of stock which is very exciting for a lot of people.
Good season that ended a couple games too short…
Now i get to listen to Niners fans talk and talk…downside of living in Nor Cal
let them have their moment
they’ve had precious little to cheer in years.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 16, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I'd just like to say thank you to the entire APC staff
your writing is great and this is my favorite place to come and discuss the team we all love.
we can argue about certain things all we want but there are millions of fans that would kill to be in the position we are. so we should at least be thankful for that.
"I was so drunk I thought a tube of toothpaste was astronaut food"
My Twittah!
by Wisco12 on Jan 16, 2012 3:29 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I agree!
All hail the great AcmePackingCompany! Best Packer blog going! Great mix of persons and personalities in here!
The march toward Dynasty/team of the decade continues next year!!!!
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
by PackFaninFL on Jan 16, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
OMFG!!!!!
IF ONLY WE WOULD HAVE DONE PLAYER-ORGANIZED WORKOUTS!!!!!!!
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
CAM NEWTON!
TIM TEBOW!
ANDY DALTON!
TED THOMPSON MISSED OUT ON 3 HOF’ERS!!!
15-1
Back on track to Super Bowl XLVI!
MattFlynn4StartingQB
REVENGE4FARRRRRRRRRRRRRVE
blas4mod
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
DanielHeiman4Kamelot!!! (or bring back Roy Khan)
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 16, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
If not for So'uperman,
it would have been FOUR!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
for me, a super bowl loss would have been tolerable eventually.
maybe even a nfc championship game loss. but not a loss in our first playoff game, not a successful season, in my opinion. maybe i shouldn’t be that way, as enjoyable as the regular season was, but that’s the way it is.
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
I'm more the opposite
For some reason I can’t stand the thought of losing the Super Bowl. I’d rather lose before then and just say it wasn’t our year. But to make the Super Bowl and lose makes me think that it should have been our year but wasn’t.
Now I can look at it and say it was a good year, but we got the wrong team at the wrong time in the playoffs.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
Well put, sir.
But it doesn’t help the fact that the defense was spectacularly shitty. Letting Cullen Jenkins walk was one of the first times I can recall Thompson badly losing a gamble.
Seriously, put another competent pass rusher on the line, and I’d be that the defense would be merely awful instead of horrendous.
As they say on BrewHoop, there’s always next year.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 PM CST reply actions
Very much.
Anybody who makes Ersan Ilyasova eligible trade bait is a winner in my book.
Fans at the BC love the guy.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
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