Defense Wins Championships
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Much love. Now I don’t have to put a TL;DR. Will read :)
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 16, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
32nd Ranked Defense is Unacceptable... But...
Missing wide open receivers is unacceptable too… I love Aaron Rodgers but, this was by far his worst performance that I can remember… On the bright side… I think MM and AR-12 will learn from this and not make the same mistakes again!!
Defense Wins Championships… (That coming from an old QB!!! : )
Defensive Line Sucked this year… In fact our whole front 7 did… Which exposed our secondary… We have work to do… No Question… I want to know which of our coaches will be leaving to coach elsewhere???
Every year is a new team… This year I hope we cut some dead wood where needed, improve every phase and we’ll be right back in the SuperBowl!! Isn’t next year the SuperBowl in Giants Stadium? Wouldn’t that be justice?
Winning the SuperBowl IN NY??? : )
I’ve said this in every post I’ve made since the game ended… I hope they let 88 walk… So tired of his mouth and him not living up to his potential… Please let’s Draft someone who can actually catch the ball!! I’m guessing since he dropped 5 passes in the most important game of his career… & we won a SB without him, that TT will let someone else pay him 5 million a year to drop the ball when it counts!!!
Hope they let 25 walk too… It’s time to admit that without a running game you can’t win Championships either!! (Ask Dan Marino!! : ) Tired of having just barely serviceable RB’s… Been saying that for a couple years…!!! Prime example of AR having a bad day and nobody to step up and help him out… (Yesterday!!!)
15-1… Not a bad season… 1 and Done in the Post Season SUCKS!!!! Let’s have a great off season and come back with a VENGEANCE!!!
GO PACK GO!!!
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Finley
I hope they let 88 walk… So tired of his mouth and him not living up to his potential… Please let’s Draft someone who can actually catch the ball!! I’m guessing since he dropped 5 passes in the most important game of his career… & we won a SB without him, that TT will let someone else pay him 5 million a year to drop the ball when it counts!!!
What if we don’t have to pay him 5 million though? Considering Finley had such a down year, we may be able to get him at a fair price. Perhaps Finley will target a 2-3 year contract with a middle of the road salary in hopes of getting big money after that contract expires. I’m down on Finley too, but he still brings a lot to this offense and we have seen him play at a high level various times. I’m open to giving Finley another chance at the right price. Remember, he has performed great in the playoffs in the past…

One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Jan 16, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He’s also made some very nice catches this year too. I don’t want to see him go, I don’t think we would replace him that easily (or else you would have seen us looking like the Patriots this year) but I do hope that he realizes that he needs to humble himself when it comes to money. He’ll never end up in as good of a situation as he’s in now with the QB and the offense he’s in.
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by TrevorR on Jan 17, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree..Finley way too young to give up on..
I mean the kid is only 24. The Bears and Vikings would be glad to grab him. Vernon Davis didnt exactly light the world on fire right away either. I think you tag him and try to work on a long term deal.
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by White92 on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as some wanna hate on Finley.
I don’t see any chance that Thompson lets him walk! Likely have to Franchise him and let Flynn walk in FA. He wasn’t going to stay anyway, and Finley is in the long term plans!
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by Strohman on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
And, clearly Finley wants people to consider him among the best tight ends in the league. I think the emergence of Gronk and Graham this season (as well as the early exit from the playoffs) will motivate Finley in the off-season to sharpen his game.
by Ben T on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not hating on Finley. I do expect our tight ends to catch the ball though...
From the things I’m seeing, my take is they are trying to send 88 the message that they want him back with a long term deal, but, they don’t want to have to tag him.
With Coach Philbin going to Miami, I expect the Packers to now tag Matt Flynn and try to get the Browns, Dolphins, and maybe Washington in a bidding war. That is certainly my hope.
Good thing is we only have to wait a couple months for the Finley/Flynn saga to play out.
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Finley
I think he signs for more than the tag money for a TE. I’m expecting 6M per season area. The fact that he plays more like a WR means to some degree you have to pay him as much as a WR as a TE. IMO, he’s worth 3M per just for the effect he has on the offense as a whole and the time and attention he forces DC to play for him, as well as another 3M for his production this year. His drops were frustrating this year, but he’s never had problems catching the ball before, so I don’t think it will be a problem again at any time.
Still not sure how the Flynn deal works out, but would love to see him get franchised and traded just to re-coup some value for him. He could bring a quality 2nd rd pick and possibly a late 1st.
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by Strohman on Jan 22, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What a fair weather fan!
AROD is a great QB and played a fantastic game despite the drops. Clay matthews is part of the front 7 last time i checked. Finley is an above average TE and is still learning the game. Your defensive scheme exposed your secondary, not the front 7. If you don’t have the personnel to get to the QB with 3, bring 4 or 5 and take your chances. Might force more turnovers. Don’t need an elite RB in your system. As a vikings fan, I would give you Adrian Peterson for Clay Matthews and Tramon Williams. Will ya trade me?
You guys have the luxury
Of having a roster (and more importantly, a QB) that will keep you in playoff contention for years.
Defensively, I think the talent is there for GB (maybe a few adjustments), but schematically, I didn’t think Capers would rush three so often. But certain things are just hard to defend against (how often is a team going to hit that hail mary in the end zone at the end of the half?).
Great team you guys have, just picked a bad day to have an off game.
This is the NFL, where repeating is a ridiculous feat. You guys will be back in it next year and the year after (and probably the year after that) I’m pretty sure.
by Max Schwager on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You're exactly right and that's why this loss is so hard
We have a lot of talented players together on one team and there is a small window to keep all of these guys together. That’s why there’s so much importance put on winning championships now.
Defensively, I think the talent is there for GB (maybe a few adjustments), but schematically, I didn’t think Capers would rush three so often.
Capers rushed only 3 often times last year as well. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t. The difference was we had Cullen Jenkins as one of the 3 rushers. This year, we had a bunch of nobodies. I’m not sure whey Capers kept doing it, but perhaps after evaluating this season, he will learn from this mistake. Yes, the scheme was certainly different and bad. We played a lot of zone this year, which is not the strength of our players. We didn’t play a lot of press coverage either, like we did in past years. I’m confident that our D will be fixed though, because it was stout last year. We lost a couple key players, but we have another draft coming up with one of the best draft gurus in TT. I believe things will turn around for our D.
One game at a time...
I read
That Capers blitzed (5 rushers) something like 45% of passing downs in an effort to get pressure. Nothing worked and w/ our best Press CB unable to play press coverage Capers was between a rock and a hard place. I got to the point where I wanted them to just rush 3 and play coverage, but that didn’t work either… Nothing worked this year in pass D!
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Great team you guys have, just picked a bad day to have an off game.
Yep, it really was.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Been saying this all year
We were not a team built to win in the playoffs. Our defense was atrocious all year and it wasn’t just the players. Some of the calls by Capers were head scratchers. We really missed Cullen Jenkins and Nick Collins. We also need some safeties that can play in pass coverage. Burnett is a great run stopper, but he is awful in coverage. Pepprah is terrible in coverage too. We had to play so much zone to help these guys out and with the lack of a pass rush, we go picked apart.
I might be alone in this
While the D has been horrible this year, I can’t but the loss on the defense here. The 20 points allowed by them in the first half is unacceptable, but they shut down the Giants in the third quarter. Three fumbles, two failed onside kicks, and a failed 4th down at midfield is hard for any defense to overcome. And they did get one int that the offense failed to turn into any points. If the offense got on track in the 3rd, its a completely different game.
And just a little suggestion, but try breaking your text up into paragraphs. Makes it infinitely more readable.
The Giants were working with a short field the whole game.
Even the Niners D would struggle with that.
2011: A wasted year
Thats a good point
Two onside kicks that they recovered led to them having possesion near mid field. Add in a fumble recovered at their 30 or so yard line (Rodgers), a fumble recovered near midfield (Kuhn), a fumble returned the 5 or so (Grant), the 4th down stop near midfield, and that’s a lot of possessions with a short field. Masthay wasn’t putting all that well either.
eh
yes and no..u said it urself 20 points is unacceptable for the 1st half..just cant take one quarter into the equation here..and that goes for both sides of the ball..plus weve been seeing the defense shredded all year so its nothing new..just sucks the offense had a bad game for the 2nd time in 17 games..whereas the d has been bad 15 or 16 times out of those 17 games
True
But the offense had numerous chances and failed on numerous possessions. If they block up that Rodgers fumble correctly, that’s a TD to Jennings and we are down by 3. If Grant holds onto the ball on that drive, we might score a TD and have a tie football game. Heck, just getting fg’s there probably means McCarthy punting on that 4th down play instead of going for it.
Allowing 20 points in 3 quarters is actually an improvement for this defense.
haha i know what ur saying
I just dont think it should come to those expectations lol
i tried to break it down
in the HTML, it had it broken into paragraphs but it didn’t publish that way. i also have no idea how to fix it
Huh, thats weird
I’ve never done a fan post so I don’t know how the formatting works. Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh bro.
no, its fine man
i didn’t take it personally. haha. just don’t really know how to work fanposts that great, either. haha
Both sides were terrible. There is no point in trying to put the blame on either. You are right, the D played awesome in the 3rd and in most games that would have been enough for our O to win the game…unfortunately they sucked too. It was just a terrible performance by out team all around.
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I've heard 3 or 4 teams claim to have the worst defense
you guys were 19th in points allowed. That’s the only stat that matters. Capers is great, I hope he goes to the AFC! He’s had a lot of Giants fans wanting to go 3-4…
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
You make it sound like we were top 5 in points…sure we were bend but don’t break but those are the kind of D’s that fall apart the quickest. Good, solid, discaplined defenses can more easily survive from season to season. I worry what happens if the breaks don’t go our way next year with the turnovers (like the Saints last year after their super bowl run).
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that kid straight up balled in college
i think they’re bringing him along slowly. kindas like they did with Finley his first year. I gurantee you if Filey leaves (and I don’t want him to) it’ll be between Williams and Quarless to take over the job. I’m not that impressed with Taylor
he was inactive for the playoff game. I’m not sure why, I would rather have him in there than Crabtree.. blocking may not be as good, but I’d rather have the hands and playmaking ability of Williams.
by Tracker J Dunn on Jan 18, 2012 4:23 AM CST up reply actions
Guess I'm just really pissed at 88 right now!!! : )
I guess my point is… If he doesn’t pull his head out of his anal orifice, grow up, and start making plays when they count… I don’t care if we resign him…
Doesn’t do any good if the only time you make a play is when it doesn’t matter!!! Someone needs to sit on the lad, get his head straight, and his agent needs to impress upon him to give a hometown discount or I think he’s gone!!
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He's not clutch
that 88. he’ll make the early season catches, get a big freaking head, think he’s gonna get paid, then when he doesn’t get paid, he gets all pouty and plays like utter dogshit.
Let him walk.
We’ve got 4 TEs already, and we need an extra spot to put Gurley on the roster. 5 TE’s was something nobody had ever heard of.
Williams looks to be a poor man’s Finley, but with a hell of a lot better attitude. He’ll give you the same amount of drops, but since he wouldn’t be as critical a part in the offense, he wouldn’t get that many opportunities to drop the ball.
Taylor looked to be pretty good. and we’ve got Crabtree and Quarless for blocking. They didn’t do too bad when we won the Super Bowl.
Let the conceded drop-artist walk, get a compensation pick for him and flynn, resign wells, and draft nearly all defense in the first 4 rounds of the draft, preferably someone from Alabama if they’re available.
Oh, and let 93 walk too. he’s horrible. blitzing right into whoever is in front of him… EVERYTIME… as if he is there only to occupy a blocker. If you’re blitzing, get the damn QB!
Williams is not even close to a poor mans Finley!
You can probably cover Williams w/ a LB or Safety easily. He is only 6’2, so he has no size advantage and isn’t much quicker or faster than LB’s. He is a good reciever, but he won’t ever command a double team. Finley is going NOWHERE IMO! Williams won’t be someone teams look at and say how are we gonna matchup w/ him! Finley forces DC’s to do that every week and that allows alot more Freedom for Jennings and Nelson. Finley is worth 3M per year just for the attention that DC’s have to give to him and another 3M for his production! And if you assume he isn’t always going to have the drops like this year, and he never had a problem catching the ball before, so its a safe assumption, then the only reason you don’t pay his is cuz YOU think he’s too outspoken! And that is the epitome of stupid!
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No he’s plenty clutch. His issue is clearly with concentration and thinking ahead to the “amazing” things he’s goign to do after the catch. If you watch his catches, the more difficult they are, the better he does because he’s forced to concentrate on just the catch. When he’s in the open field and has an easy catch to make that is when he drops them because he’s clearly thinking ahead. Finley has made plenty of clutch catches for us though, I think that is an unfair statement to make.
Williams has the potential to be a nice #2 to Finley, maybe our version of Aaron Hernandez to Finley’s Gronkowski (if he can ever put it all together). He’s not the same kind of guy that Finley is though.
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No pass rush and team can't tackle
DB’s are adequate at best. Been saying this the entire year and got screamed at for it, but the season is over for multiple reasons. Maybe next year some changes are made.

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