More On Matt Flynn, Chad Clifton and Ryan Pickett Return, and Their Next Playoff Game
by Brandon on Jan 2, 2012 7:01 AM CST
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PrintHow do you bench Flynn after that performance?. The question is a joke by Vic Ketchman at Packers.com. He's pointing out that no Green Bay Packers quarterback has ever thrown for 480 yards in a single game, or thrown 6 touchdown passes in one either. Until Matt Flynn did it. Against a pretty good Lions defense. If that didn't earn Flynn the chance to start for some other team next season, nothing will.
Game notes: Clifton, Pickett pass their tests. The link also mentions that the only injury noted was to backup TE Ryan Taylor. As for the returning veterans, Chad Clifton had some struggles early, but that wasn't surprising since he was coming back from the long layoff. By the end of the first quarter, he looked about as good as he's looked at any point this season. I expect he'll be starting at left tackle in the playoffs. Ryan Pickett looked very active on the defensive line.
Packers will play on Sun., Jan. 15 at 3:30 p.m. - JSOnline. They'll play the last game on that weekend. So they'll have the longest layoff of any NFC playoff team.
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It's nice to have him as a back-up...
…but my goodness that guy deserves to be starting somewhere. That is two games now where he has just blown the doors off of all pre-game expectations.
Not to mention he won the national title at LSU with the one shot he had after backing up Jemarcus Russell (!!!) for three years.
I mean, huh? What gives, coaches? Someone pick this guy up!
Well, it all goes to show both are system QB's.
Apparently McCarthy’s offense is for QB’s what Shanahan’s was for RB’s. So, we need to trade both Flynn and Rodgers, because we can obviously just put in Graham Harrell and our offense won’t skip a beat.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah...
Then we can draft another 3 QBs and show them off and stock up on even more picks next year!
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 2, 2012 10:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's what i did in 08 madden.
I traded favre for something, anything, started rodgers.
and every season starting the 3rd season, I’d trade my backup for a 1st, 2nd, and 4th round pick. hehehe.
Biggest flaw in Madden was that trading system...
I would do the same. Wait until the trading deadline week, find the teams with lowest win percentage, and trade for all their top picks. Rinse, repeat every year.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
That or
Trade up in the first round every time. The CPU always makes me the offer of their 1st for my 4th and 5th.
lol yeah.
There was no concept of value to the picks, or at least not a realistic one.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Sign highest rated free agent
Trade to team for all their draft picks.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 2, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
LOL!
I never did that one. Then again, I could never get the highest rated FA to sign with me.
Of course, you don’t really need to because your first 3 draft picks are perennial pro-bowlers after a year anyway.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, I played the newest one and they made drafting a little harder
You actually have to scout now, instead of just looking for a full pentagon on their rating thing.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I would actually be surprised if Skip Clueless did not use an argument that it is Green Bays System
Not Rogers talent that makes our offense go , that is why Brees should be the MVP lol
"It's a joke. It's all a joke.
But Tebow got the Broncos to the playoffs.
That right there makes him the automatic MVP.
Packers' Magic Numbers:
Clinch Division = DONE!!!
Clinch 1st Rd Bye = DONE!!!
Clinch Homefield = DONE!!!
Bayless probably WOULD spell it R-o-g-e-r-s.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 2, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
don't call yourself a Packer fan if you can't spell the best player's name.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Skip? is that you?
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Very nice memory for both Flynn and Tiger fans ;)
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
And that schedule is good news for me
I’m travelling on Jan. 14, so I was afraid I’d have to miss the game.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Matt Flynn has a higher season passer rating,
and a more yards per attempt than Rodgers. Just sayin.
Packers' Magic Numbers:
Clinch Division = DONE!!!
Clinch 1st Rd Bye = DONE!!!
Clinch Homefield = DONE!!!
Rodgers still has a better TD/INT ratio, though
I think you give him the nod in two weeks.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I think there needs to be an honest to goodness open tryout for the QB spot
But MM and TT will never do it because they know Rodgers is better. Instead they’re going to intentionally sabotage his career and offer him some chump change to be a spokesman for the organization.
REVENGE4RODGERS
by Danwood on Jan 2, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Like I said,
Flynn will be a showcase on Sunday and was underrated as to his deep pass.
Ain’t that right …sheehan.
by Tarynfor12 on Jan 2, 2012 10:28 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
yep, I was wrong about the deep ball, no doubt.
best he’s thrown it, by far.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Email me, yo
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
REVENGE4FLYNN!!!!!!1
"I wanna kiss you. I couldn't care l-l-less about the team strug-guling..." -Joe Namath
by Shamalamadingdong on Jan 2, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions
anyone here going to the game?
I will be there. My first playoff game. So psyched!
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
by White92 on Jan 2, 2012 11:04 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I've never been to a game of any sort, be it preseason, regular, or playoffs.
Not even when they have played the Queens in the Dome. :(
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
gotta fix that
Should be a bucket list thing. I’m hoping to be a kind of Packer dead head and follow them all the way to Indy
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
by White92 on Jan 2, 2012 11:13 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's on my bucket list
Needs to be in Green Bay though. I will work something out in the next year or 2 to fly to Green Bay, tour the stadium, go to the Hall of Fame and see a game.
Enjoy the ride and GO PACK GO!!!
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
Oh, it's on the list
I’m only 18 living in Minnesota, and none of my family are fans (although my aunt and uncle moved to Appleton some years back, thus becoming bandwagon fans, and have worked at games before). But I’m planning to go to school in Wisconsin next year, so I’ll be a little closer, at least.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
cool..
at 18 you should have a lot of time to fufill the dream.
Lambeau is one of my favorite places on the planet. If you go next year, I’ll buy you a Guiness
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
Uhhh....
I’m only 18
next year, I’ll buy you a Guiness
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Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!
by Wiedmann on Jan 2, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't drink anyway
Being diabetic and all.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
ahh..sorry to hear that
keep it under control. I lost my mother and brother to it.
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
I'm sorry
I was just diagnosed this November, so I’m still new to the game.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
That sucks.
But it’s good that you are taking it seriously and doing things the right way. I know some young people get diagnosed and think they are invincible and can do whatever they want and really pay for it later in life.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
lol
nah, I think he takes care of himself. Unless you count playing for the Bears as hazardous to your health, which I guess it is.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry..I have authority issues sometimes..
drinking age was 18 when I lived in Wisconsin. If you can die for your country and all that..I’m not saying I should think that way, just that I do.
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
Lol legal drinking age 21
that sucks
football does not build character, it reveals character.
They really should just lower it to 18.
The main reason 18-21 year-olds drink is because they’re “not supposed to.”
that's not true at all
they drink because they enjoy drinking, and will continue to, legal or not.
My legal drinking age is 19, which I think is more reasonable… I mean, if you have to wait til 21, you either have to do a lot of illegal activity, or spend most of your university years completely sober… that’s not the kind of world I would want to live in.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Point, bruh
According to my dad, at least.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
well, I'm not sure why anyone drinks those
American beer is not so good… But the reason people that age drink is because they like getting drunk and having a good time, they don’t much care what type of beer/liquor they’re drinking. Trust me, 19 year olds are allowed to drink in Canada, and I guarantee we drink at least as much (probably more, a lot more) as 19 year olds in the US.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
UW Stout
Not too close, but closer than I am currently. Unless my aunt and uncle get their way, and have me go to Fox Valley Tech lol.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'm hoping to take a trip to Houston next season!
Is going to be my first game as well
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 2, 2012 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I've only been to Packers games in St. Louis
And a Rams playoff game in ‘99 when they stopped the Vikings. It doesn’t get much better for a Packers fan in St. LLuis than seeing the Rams handily knock the Vikings out of the playoffs in person
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 2, 2012 11:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Go to Lambeau. You owe it to yourself.
Trust me, it is awesome. And I’m no stranger to football game-day atmospheres. It made me an even bigger fan.
McCarthy says Clifton will start
Anyone surprised? I am mildly surprised
I love wins. Wins are good for the soul.- Barry Alvarez Sep 25, 2005
We expect to win.- Ted Thompson July 28, 2011
by White92 on Jan 2, 2012 11:11 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Not really....
I think they’re trying to use him for his experience. It is nice to know that should something happen we have Newhouse though. I just want to get consistency back for the line.
not really
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Nope
He’s better than healthy than Newhouse is.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 2, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Strohman was ahead of the curve on this one yet again
I think Clifton has played his last down as a Packer.
13.
Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!
by Wiedmann on Jan 2, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Alright Jeremy Wade....
;)
Let’s not in this thread too, please?
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Whats your freakin Problem?!
are you just an asshole by nature or just to me? I don’t get what your deal is.. So I had a fucking opinion and I was wrong. Do I go around keeping track of every one of your opinions and throwing it in your fucking face? NO I don’t… So once again. Get a fucking life!!!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
Maybe if you'd admit to being wrong once in a while
aside from constantly patting yourself on the back for the ones you got right.
13.
Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!
by Wiedmann on Jan 2, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been wron before and I'll be wrong again...
It isn’t going to stop me having an opinion… At least I don’t run around like a little scorned panzy and pointing out others when they are wrong! If you don’t like how I say something, then thats your problem. I have my way of stating my opinions and you have yours… Do I run around critisizing how you say anything? Why does someone have to express themselves the way YOU want them to?
Like I’ve said alot of you lately… Get a freaking life! Let people be who they are instead of being who YOU want them to be!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
by Strohman on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't mind that you have an opinion
and I don’t mind if you express that opinion. Seriously, though, how many times have you brought up that you were the first on the Rodgers bandwagon (which I don’t even believe to be true)? You really went out on a limb there to think that a QB who was in consideration for the 1st overall pick would be a success. I respect your football opinion, and I think you often make a lot of great points. However, your method of delivery is very poor, and causes people to discount it. In fact, the reason I even remembered your Clifton/Newhouse comment was that when I initially read it, I thought it wouldn’t happen, but I considered the possibility after you posted it.
It’s not that I have a problem with the way you post, it’s that the way you post is detrimental to APC & causes a lot of arguing between APC members. Calling other people “idiots,” “pantywastes” & telling other people to “get a life” is not constructive in the least. Your elitist attitude gives no benefit either. I do probably go too far sometimes in my interaction with you, but I’m hardly the only one at fault. I acknowledge that I am an imperfect being, and I think it would be the best for everyone if you made a similar declaration at least once in a while.
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Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!
by Wiedmann on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
you come off as someone who thinks they know everything, and are very in-your-face with your opinions
that is why people go out of their way to point it out when you’re wrong. Because you seem to think you never are.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 2, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Whether true or not...
are you or Weidmann really helping anything by doing this though? All it does is fill threads with stuff like this.
Just let it all go, man. Like…peace and love, man.
/Hippie’d
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Coming from...
The person who admitted and was found guilty of baiting agruments?! But its all MY FAULT? Do you realize how idiotic that is?
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
NorthStarr said the same
And I don’t see you keeping track of his and pointing out every fuckin time he’s wrong!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
Northstarr is not a pompous ass who constantly belittles other people
13.
Build Lasers And Stuff For More Ownage, Dude!
by Wiedmann on Jan 2, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Come on man
Its a prediction, they can be wrong. No need to rub it in his face. I personally agreed with Stroh too. With Newhouse having two great games to end the season, and Cliffy struggling early in his return, I thought Newhouse would still be starting as well. I though continuity would be more important, and that Cliffy could step in if Newhouse struggled in the playoffs.
I thought Cliffy and Newhouse would be fired....
and we would bring back the savior of the franchise, Barbre.
And I still do!
REVENGE4BARBRE
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
WHY DIDN'T WE RESIGN COLLEDGE?
COLLEDGE4LT
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Cause our compensatory pick for him will turn into someone who isn't an egomaniac?
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
He hasn't been too terribly atrocious for Seattle...
at least, not that I know of.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Funnily enough
They really like them from some reports I read. They are considering keeping him the starter at RT, and putting their first round pick from this class ( Carperter) in at LG.
If Flynn does sign with Seattle, he would have a good running game and OL to help him out.
I think he proved on Sunday he is capable
Had he struggled, I imagine Newhouse would have been given the nod
Shit happens when you win championships
What if we franchised Flynn then traded him?
Wouldn’t be fair to Flynn unless the other team restructured his contract, but we could get great value from the guy in the trade market.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Pretty sure they would restructure his contract
They aren’t gonna trade for him, then let him walk the next season.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 2, 2012 11:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
We get a compensatory pick either way an we have great morale from those who we draft
Thompson’s model makes players feel like he takes care of his own, no reason to put a big chunk in that for a nicer draft pick when TT is so good at finding talent deep in the draft anyway
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 2, 2012 11:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's what the Pats did with Cassel
and the Chiefs restructured his contract
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I think they should do it, if it doesn't change the plan with Finley
The compensatory pick should be enough, if we want to franchise Finley.
Flynn certainly seems like he'd be worth a 1st-round pick.
Why take a chance on a college QB who might not make it, when Flynn has shown that he can play in the NFL. If they could franchise him, sign Finley, and get at least an early 2nd-round pick for Flynn; then it would seem worthwhile to trade him to someone like the Redskins, Jaguars, Miami, Seattle are some teams drafting fairly early who need a QB.
Won't happen
I saw the NFC North blog on ESPN, and Seifert, who writes the blog, brought up the issue of the salary cap. In order for Green Bay to put a franchise tag on Flynn, there would have to be multiple teams wanting to sign him, and then they could possibly franchise him and offer him to the highest bidder. Otherwise, if no one would take him, they’d be screwed.
$$$$
Have to do the calcs, but franchising Flynn could result in Flynn signing a contract for a higher per year salary than Rodgers’ current deal. I don’t think the Packers want to open that Pandora’s Box. Rodgers is a bargain for another season as an extension for him gets worked out.
Nitschke never wore an earring!
Anyone else concerned about the injured players?
Clifton, Bulaga and Jennings…will they be the same players when they come back? I’m thinking of Mike Neal and how he really lost some explosiveness since coming back.
And Sitton doesn’t seem to be the same player since he sat out too
I wonder if Jennings will still have that explosive cutting ability in his routes. We’ll see, but I’m worried.
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
Of those injuries...
Clifton’s was the worst and most worrisome. Neals injury is one that was more severe than any of them… And Neal is still having quite a bit of pain in the knee which has happered his play this year quite a bit. Bulaga and Jennings injuries were pretty minor. No worries about either of them. I didn’t like the way Clifton started the game, he looked awful. He ended up playing pretty well after tho.
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
It's like Gilbert Brown going after a sammich.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Looks like GB is running the same system NE is
Plug in some jag QB and he becomes a HoFer. Genius
Rex Ryan: "There’s no way that we’re looking to replace Mark Sanchez"
Patriots Nation: "Thank God"
Giants Fans: "FOUR MORE YEARS!! FOUR MORE YEARS!!"
if thats the case
we should trade the jets rodgers for sanchize and a half dozen 1st rounders.
Packers just have a knack for finding great QBs.
Some teams can’t even find one QB worthy of starting in the NFL and we have two.
Hey, Bertt.
We didn’t replace you with just one quarterback who is better than you. :D
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 2, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Flynn's performance might cost Rodgers some votes
But it won’t cost him the MVP. It’s about making the throws, and the fact that Green Bay has 2 quarterbacks that can do that while most teams don’t even have 1 should not factor into the fact that Rodgers has dominated ALL SEASON.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions
I think, for season purposes, Rodgers and Brees are #1 and #2...
for both Passer Rating and QBR. At least that’s what Mike and Mike said this morning.
In Every Climb and Place....
by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
If you put no qualifications on it
I think it’s Rodgers and Flynn
Unless a punter threw a touchdown somewhere along the way.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately, David Akers & Brandon Banks each have a perfect passer rating
So, Flynn & Rodgers #3 & #4 in passer rating. However, when you restrict it to those who have started a game at QB (or anyone who has attempted more than one pass), Flynn is #1, and Rodgers is #2.
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Ah ok
So one restriction it is.
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
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