Don't Jump on Me, but I hope Brees wins the MVP
by Nels Winkler on Jan 2, 2012 2:24 PM CST
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PrintI've thought about it long and hard and I've come to the conclusion: Drew Brees should be MVP this year.
Not because of anything he's done on the field. nonono. I strictly believe that his records are a product of a team trying to run up the score as much as possible and his stats are representative of that (ahem 62-7). Rodgers sat 8 quarters and his stats given those 8 quarters would be ridiculous (5450 yards /54 TDs / 7 INTs - all would be records). However, we should praise Brees all over the field. My reasoning is two fold.
1. If Brees is the MVP, Rodgers would be pissed and feel like he's got something else to prove. We all know what a pissed off, determined Aaron Rodgers plays like. If you need reference, simply ask the Chicago Bears Defense who were killed 2 weeks ago.
2. Brees winning the MVP makes it more likely that Rodgers avoids the cover of Madden 2013. I'm not a believer in curses, however, I'm also not one to take a chance on the possiblity of the curse existing.
So I say Brees for MVP, which gives us a very pissed off Rodgers, punishing defenses on his way to the Packers 3rd consecutive Super Bowl appearance (being 3 back to backs), and another Superbowl MVP. Brees can win the Pro Bowl MVP for all I care.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
This is the subthread that never ends.
Yes, it goes on and on, my friends.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Some people started posting it, not knowing wot it was
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and they'll continue posting it forever just because...
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This is the subthread that never ends....
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Is this the real life?
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
When the music's over.....
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
You know what this reminds me of?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jan 4, 2012 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good game.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
See you next time.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
BLAS4MOD
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Happened to Brees after 2009 season
and he played with a naggin knee injury last season. Just sayin’
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 3, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Aaron is too powerful for the Madden Curse.
All is vanity.
by levnclf on Jan 2, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
A Rod doesn't need that kind of thing to motivate him.
I think breaking a passer rating record is far more impressive than a yardage record.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Jan 2, 2012 4:10 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
If Aaron Rodgers ends up on the cover of Madden
John Madden would suffer the curse after it bounces off of Rodgers…
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The more I hear people talk about it...
the more I am for a Co-MVP again this year. Hell, they could throw Brady in and make it a three-way (wut?).
There is no way Brees or Rodgers don’t deserve it. If you have to argue semantics and what-ifs to try to put one ahead of another, then they are close enough in my book to share the award. It’s not just yardage that Brees put up. He also had Comp Percentage as well as 300 yd games in a season, 300 yd games in a row, etc.
Rodgers had a lot more than just that Passer Rating record too, like basically locking up their playoff positioning before ever stumbling, TD/INT ratio, and doing it all in an incomplete season (15 games).
It’s not as though MVP sharing is unheard of. It’s happened three times in NFL history dating back quite far.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 4:29 PM CST reply actions
I agree with the Co-MVP thing
Nothing against Brees though, but isn’t the yardage record made slightly less impressive when you consider how pass heavy and offense focused the league has become? This year, we had two guys break Marino’s yardage record, three guys either get to or almost get to 5,000 yards (Rodgers, Manning, Stafford) and we had a rookie throw over 4,000. Again, props to Brees on a great season and new records, but it doesn’t seem as significant when you look at how the league operates.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 2, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
it doesn’t seem as significant when you look at how the league operates
Maybe, maybe not. It depends if it happens again next year. We’ve had both historically great statistical seasons for QBs this year and historically awful statistical seasons for defenses this year in regards to passing. Maybe it’s just an anomoly.
Then again, even if 5000+ yd passers are trend going forward, I still think it proves just how valuable they are in a pass-first league.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
It could be an anomaly caused by the lockout
Offenses around the league got out to a hotter start than normal and the conventional wisdom was that the lockout cost defenses more than offenses. It was thought that defenses would catch up later in the year, and they did to some extent, but the elite offenses (Packers, Saints, Patriots just kept their foot on the gas despite that.
Let’s circle back around to this after next season – we’ll have a full offseason to work with, then. If we see the top five QBs put up nearly 25,000 yards combined in 2012, I think we can safely assume that this is what the NFL will look like from here on out.
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by Clutch16 on Jan 2, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The co-MVP thing is a cop-out, imo.
Look… I love me some Drew Brees, but I don’t believe he is the MVP. I think Aaron setting the season mark for passer rating clinched the MVP for him.
by mike_o on Jan 2, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It can be....
and I thought that at first too. But the more I look at both QBs the more it becomes nearly impossible to come up with a definitive arguments for either without really using Green&Gold / Black&Gold colored glasses.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Passer rating
YPA, TD/INT, TDPA, eye test, etc.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yup. The only significant stat that Brees is beating him in is completion percentage
it’s still an easy pick
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Eye test is pretty subjective
All the things you mentioned are good examples for Rodgers, but what about all the stats for Brees?
Sheehan made the point below, but again, what constitutes a “significant” stat is just as much up for debate as anything else.
If I had to choose one winner, I would still go with Rodgers but as a Packer fan that’s not really a surprise.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think people understand…its not like there’s a room of people and they just decide to make it split. It has to just turn out that the exact same number of random people across the country voted for each of them…its extremely unlikely and rare.
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Rodgers will have the MVP
but it should have an asterisk.
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by cajuncreation on Jan 4, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Out of curiosity...
what would the asterisk be for?
Or is this is playing on that article that was up here before about Brees having one?
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Only way to prove whether the curse is real or not...
once and for all: Put all 1,500+ NFL players on the cover…
Looking forward to the Packers three-peating and visiting President Ron Paul at the White House in 2013
Why would we skip him?
I want him to be cursed!
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I can't say I disagree with Brees as MVP.
But Rodgers was the clear MVP for 3/4 of the season, and simple math dictates that 3/4 > 1/4. Either way I don’t think either would be a bad choice.
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Brees finished with 5476 yards and 46 touchdowns
-Also threw 14 interceptions, 1 returned
In my math, Drew Brees really ended the year with 5333 yards and 45 touchdowns. All his interception yards were subtracted and his touchdown taken away. Also another curious note, the only time you beat Brees is to intercept him 2+ times (Rams 2, Bucs 3) or you beat him in a shoot out (Green Bay).
Brees is going to have to beat the Packers at Lambeau
to win the MVP. It’s really his only chance.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
But the MVP is a regular season award
He won’t get that opport- oh, wait, yes he did. Week 1.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This week they will be.
I think that’s when they vote.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Remember when Favre didn’t win the MVP over Gannon in 2002 almost entirely based on the Week 17 flop, a 42-17 incineration at the hands of the New York Jets? Ugh.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 4, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
you're right, that would be his only chance
but he failed.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Get a room you two!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
*jumps you*
takes off with Nels’ wallet
finds picture of Brent Farve
returns wallet
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 6:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This didn’t work like I expected.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I guess so
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot to return the pictures of Brent?
Suuuure, we all know what you were really after!
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
hmm...
1. The award isn’t given out until the week before the Super Bowl…won’t motivate him until then and I really doubt he’ll need the extra motivation. And that is to assume he really cares THAT much about an MVP award.
2. A player has to accept their choice to be on the cover, if he doesn’t want to be on there he won’t be.
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I think he made it known that he was disappointed to lose the voting for it last year
I think he wants to be on the cover
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 3, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He did? I guess I never heard that. I think the Packer fans intentionally didn’t vote for him for the final vote out of fear of the curse.
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I voted for the 12th man
Because I wanted to see if the curse could effect an entire population. Maybe, Fleet Foxes would break up or something. Also, for the lulz.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 3, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How could you tell if the curse worked?
The Seahawks have never won anything, they’d still be playing in a city where it’s gloomy 226 days a year, Pete Carroll would still be their coach, and occasionally they’d wear hideous neon green uniforms. It’s like the 12th man has been on the cover every year since 1976.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 3, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I LOL'd at the few Seasquawk fans that were happy we beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl...
Because I was quite happy that they lost Super Bowl XL.
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