Will Aaron Rodgers Be Named NFL MVP?
by Brandon on Jan 2, 2012 7:00 PM CST
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PrintMVP: The case for Aaron Rodgers - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports. As great as it was to see Matt Flynn outplay Aaron Rodgers against the Lions, it might have hurt the MVP case for Rodgers. Any quarterback can have a big game with the Green Bay Packers! Not really, but you get the point.
Rodgers should be MVP because he had a great individual season, he was a great team leader, and the Packers went 14-1 in games that he started.
He shouldn't be MVP because Drew Brees and Tom Brady each had great seasons too. Brees broke Marino's record. The Patriots went 13-3 in games started by Brady, and he led his team to the top seed in the AFC. Both quarterbacks also started all 16 games (compared to 15 for Rodgers) which should help their stats. Yes, that shouldn't matter, but I'm speculating about the thinking of sports writers who vote for the MVP.
In the end, I don't care.
Matt Ryan made the Pro Bowl ahead of Rodgers, but the Packers beat the Falcons. Clay Matthews lost the vote last year to Troy Polamalu, but the Packers beat the Steelers. It's not a zero sum equation. Players can win awards and the Packers can win the Super Bowl. But awards are a subjective contest, much like trying to understand the BCS in college football, and they don't change the fact that I wouldn't trade Rodgers for any other player. Or that every other accomplishment this season is a distant second to winning another championship.
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I believe he still will
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 7:09 PM CST reply actions
I feel like they're going to overthink it because it's so obvious
if you said in a given year a QB went 14-1 and threw for 4,600 yards with 45 TDs and 6 interceptions – that player should be the MVP.
But the problem is that Brees and Brady both put up record breaking yardage #s – and that will draw attention to them and possibly sway some #s. But yardage tells a very limited story. Brees and Brady were #2 and #3 in the league in attempts. Rodgers was 16th and had more than 100 less attempts, yet still finished top-5 in yardage. And he was easily #1 in yardage/attempt.
What does that mean. That means that Rodgers was a more efficient player and gained more yardage each time he threw. And that’s not to mention the 250 yards and 3 TDs he scored on the ground.
There is a case for Brees and Brady, but Aaron Rodgers is the clear MVP this season.
by rip_city_swagger on Jan 2, 2012 7:19 PM CST reply actions
This is two huge parts that people forget
Een the people defending Rodgers stop at his lower picks and superior passer rating which is good, but he is dominant in yards per attempt which is extremely telling in how effective a QB is and with all the hype around Tebow and Cam Newton how can people possibly forget about Rodgers huge mobility edge over Brees and Brady?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 2, 2012 8:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he is dominant in yards per attempt which is extremely telling
Fortunately, I trust most media types will look at or already know this. They discussed it a bit on some shows I have seen and also the fact that Brees has so many more attempts. Thankfully it seems these facts are not lost on all analysts.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t know why fans think that they are so much smarter than the analysts that are doing the voting. Do they really think they just look at a couple cursory stats and then cast a vote? You are right, they know these things.
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I hope you're right
I just remember in 2009 when they gave it to about the 4th most deserving player.
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Yeah…that was a shocker that year.
BUT, them awarding it to someone like Brees this year wouldn’t be the same as that year was with Manning. Looking back at his stats, its shocking he got it. Did he accomplish something that year that made him stand out?
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Something no one else has ever done
Did he accomplish something that year that made him stand out?
Being Peyton Manning.
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he went 14-0 with a team that two years later almost went 0-16 in his absence
but I agree, Brees definitely should have won it that year. No doubt.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Lets just hope the voters don’t do a makeup call like refs seem to do when they blow a call.
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by TrevorR on Jan 5, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the fact that both Brees and Brady passed Marino's record
and also that Stafford ended up with over 5,000 yards will help Rodgers.
And the fact that Rodgers broke the passer rating record and became the first player to have over 4,000 yards and only 6 INTs, along with his 45 TD, ypa and team record will be enough to win it.
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Of course he wont win
the Packers didn’t play anyone good during the regular season so all of his stats were inflated. Never mind the Packers were 5-0 against playoff teams this year.
Jared Allen should win.
Otherwise there is a conspiracy against the Vikings.
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Although, since Rodgers didn't play Lions game #2
perhaps 5-0 is more accurate in the MVP argument.
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Rodgers will win MVP, Brees will win OPOY
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by ThroughBeingCool on Jan 2, 2012 7:56 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
As it should be.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Rodgers will probably still win and thats ok he deserves MVP
All Saints fans want is for Drew to get some consideration which he deserves
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 PM CST reply actions
He will get recognized.
OPOY, no doubt. And he would deserve that. He put up record numbers.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 2, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
he'll win OPOY IMO
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Needs to be a 3rd option for "don't care."
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by CarolinaHawk on Jan 2, 2012 8:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
This is hilarious
Rodgers is now a “system QB”. Apparently any QB can play in our system and get 5+ TD’s a game. If that’s the case, and since this a copycat league, why doesn’t everyone else copy our system? Because its about players, and not plays. Look at the Cowboys Sunday night, in the right position to make plays, they just didn’t have the players to do it. Maybe every other team should draft and develop their talent better, and they would have the same success we currently enjoy. Indy did a horrible job at it, and look what happened when Peyton when out. I would hope the Saints would still be able to have good production on offense with their back up QB, because if not that says a lot about Sean Payton as a coach and developer of talent. Flynn looks this good because he has spent 4 years developing as a player and getting better. Crazy concept huh? I guarantee you that Harrell could not have put up that performance as of right now. In a few years, quite possibly.
Earlier in the year, everyone was saying that the talent in this team is what makes it great. So that means Rodgers and everyone else was super talented. Now it is the system which drives these numbers, meaning our players aren’t really that talented and you can plug and play. Which is it? And this whole “system” stuff is crap. Every coach worth his contract will adapt his play-calling and game plan to fit his players strength. How can the system affect Flynn’s ability to throw a beautiful pass, such as this 40 yarder to Jones, or this 58 yard to Nelson, or this 36 yard to Nelson?
As far as the raw numbers go, there can be no denying Brees production. However, his efficiency is not the same as Rodgers, which the analysis of said numbers back up. Brees reason for those huge numbers are the extra 150 attempts he has had. Brees may have set the record for yards and completion percentage, but Rodgers set the QBR and passer rating records. Lets not forget his rushing stats either. And don’t even start with that talent nonsense, as Brees OL and TE is better than ours. Add in a head to head win, better record, less “bad” days, and far less INT’s, Rodgers has to be it. Brees deserves some serious credit, but its just not his year. Peter King has an article explaining his vote for Rodgers if you want to read it.
by Shoes31 on Jan 2, 2012 8:35 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Forgot to mention
Rodgers … is the only quarterback ever to throw for at least 4,000 yards and throw six or less interceptions in a season.
by Shoes31 on Jan 2, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Skills
Rodgers has the Napoleon Dynamite factor going for him. He makes all the throws, uses his feet better than Brady or Brees and arguably has the numbers to support an MVP. Penalizing him because he has the best supporting cast is nonsense and Skip Brainless is hardly representative of those who will vote. The worst I can see is a split vote like the Favre/Sanders tie.
supporting cast is nonsense and Skip Brainless
Yuck! Don’t get me started with that clown. He hates the Saints and Packers. Always has. But he loves his Cowboys. How did that work out for you again skippy?
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by Wiedmann on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
More like “America’s Nightmare”. Loaded with arrogant bandwagon fans who love living in the past.
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by Jricky70 on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah he picked Brady because "he has a tougher time because Brady's "defense didn't get the TOs of ours"
Seriously, he thinks that explains Rodgers lack of interceptions. Uuuuhhh, Wat?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 3, 2012 7:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
anytime I need a good laugh from having a bad day, I’ll watch Skip Bayless just to laugh at him.
Everything that comes outta the guys mouth is a Laugh
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remind me again, how did the Pats do in their year without Brady?
can’t use the supporting cast argument to back a guy whose team still wins 11 games in his absence. unless you’re, you know, Brainless, Clueless, etc.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
He’s from Dallas, what would you expect?
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He’s from Dallas, what would you expect?
And still thinks Romo is a Superbowl caliber QB. He’s the king of all clowns. He would make a perfect slapstick comedy actor.
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I happen to agree with him there
look at Romo’s career record and numbers, he’s easily a top ten QB in the league today. This is the first year he’s played all 16 games and not made the playoffs. That team has a ton of problems to fix going forward, but Romo is not one of them (he had two horrendous second halves this year, he also carried the team to multiple other victories)
football does not build character, it reveals character.
So do I…people are being a bit ridiculous with Romo. He’s had some rough games here and there and he’s a gunslinger but he’s still at top 10 QB.
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I believe he still has the highest 4th quarter Passer Rating of all active QBs
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by PhoenicianPakFan on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
and people claim he disappears in the fourth quarter...
I guess it’s easy for the average fan to start believing things like that when the media (read: ESPN) are constantly pushing them as stories.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Romo has done pretty well with stats. He does very well in games that don’t matter. In clutch games or games on the line? You know the whole story.
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Dallas needs more help
But Romo needs to play better. He still commits too many turnovers to take that team to a SB. If their OL can get better, and he cuts back on his TO’s, I agree.
he threw ten interceptions this year
fewer than Brees, Brady, Eli, Stafford, Roethlisberger, and Ryan.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
How about fumbles?
6 fumbles (3 of which were lost). He fumbles the ball at an alarming rate. If you need proof, look at his fumble stats over the years. Some of that is on the OL, but some of it is on him not holding and protecting the ball properly. And how did his last drive end? With a fumble.
3 lost fumbles is not bad for a QB over a full season though...
I’m racking my brain right now though, and I can’t seem to recall any of those by Rodgers this year. That would be pretty impressive
football does not build character, it reveals character.
None lost
A few fumbles that he recovered, though. It happens.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 3, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
lost fumbles is the important one though
impressive that he went a full season without one.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Indeed
Symphony X is the best band that ever was.
by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 4, 2012 6:20 AM CST up reply actions
recovery of fumbles is pretty random
Remember that fumble Rodgers had @ the Chiefs? You can’t really credit Rodgers for the fact that Lang was finally able to corral it.
by DaveInTucson on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
That's what gunslingers do!
He still commits too many turnovers to take that team to a SB.
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After further review,
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Rodgers
If there was a sea change of support among those who will vote, ESPN would be all over it. It was Rodgers to win by week 10 and he has done nothing to change that. Brees and Brady will get their recognition, Roddddddgers will get the MVP.
The way I see it. Brees and Rodgers are both frigging phenominal QB's
The 2 best and classiest in the league in my book.
And if Rodgers wins the MVP, I’m ok with it like mississippi mentioned above. He deserves it and I think he will get it. And Brees will get OPOY no doubt.
46 TD’s and 5,400 plus yards is absolutely Phenominal.
45 TD’s and 6 Int’s is quite unheard of.
What an offense BOTH these teams have!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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by Jricky70 on Jan 2, 2012 11:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Great seasons both
But correct me if I’m wrong Arod offensive player of the month sept. oct. nov. and did pretty darn well in dec. that is mvp 3 of 4 months not sure who was 2nd 3rd or 4th those months
It’s amazing! Even in the opener Sept. 8th. We played head to head with you guys the whole game. That 1 yard stuffed run prevented a possible tied game to go to OT. Or losing 42-40 instead of 42-34.
Regardless, it was a hell of a thriller.
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Big deal.
Brees broke Marino’s record.
Rodgers broke Manning’s.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Seriously
This is ridiculously underreported. Passer rating is way more important than total yards.
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
And, that's because
total yards is a volume stat; Passer Rating is an efficiency stat, and efficiency stats have much more of a correlation to winning than volume stats do.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
by NorthStarr on Jan 3, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What was the rationale behind sitting Rodgers? I’ll admit, been super busy with work. Had to miss the Lions game, but saw later that Rodgers was sat. Concern with injury? What?!?
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
no sense in him playing
sure it could have won him the mvp, but have you seen how many players tore acl/mcl’s in the last 2 weeks? No need to have Suh rolling around on the ground and ending our super bowl run.
Plus now we can transition tag Flynn and ship him off for a first rounder, which sounds pretty sweet to me
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Made sense to me, I just wasn’t sure. Was getting the score updates at work, while co-workers were saying they already lost! Ridiculous. Flynn has always impressed me since he supplanted Brohm. But there can be only one QB, and that is, forevermore, Rodgers!
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by CaliSeth on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
His performance should cement us a decent compensatory pick at worst.
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6077 yards, 59 TDs, 8 interceptions
that’s what Rodgers averages project if he threw the ball as much as Brees.
That’s ridiculous.
What’s more ridiculous is that people are even considering anyone but Rodgers. Brees has a fantastic season, however you have to factor in that he plays in a dome in a division riddled with bad defense. The ONLY thing that people are holding against Rodgers is that he was so efficient in route to only having 1 loss and only playing 2 or 3 games that the opposing team even had a chance to win in the 4th quarter, so he didn’t need to pass it as much as Brees, Manning, Stafford, or Brady and thus his yards are lower.
Rodgers was just too good, simple and plain. People got bored with having the MVP sewn up, since Rodgers won the player of the month every month to start the season, so they are trying to make a case against him. It’s the definition of the dumbest saying around: haters gonna hate.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 AM CST via Android app reply actions 6 recs
This is so true
They’ll grasp at straws like pointing out his loss to KC, while completely neglecting Brees’ losses to StL & TB.
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don't forget
the loss to Aaron Rodgers
Also, congrats on the Fantasy Football Victory, apparently Romo can’t be trusted in fantasy playoffs anymore than real playoffs
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I didn't know rodgers played defense
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he doesn't
but neither did the Saints or Packers in that game
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
So true
APC Championship game
Wiedmann:
QB Cam Newton 31.34
WR Brandon Marshall 21.60
WR Nate Burleson 9.40
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey 7.00
RB Donald Brown 4.80
RB Kahlil Bell 15.90
TE Jermichael Finley 8.00
K John Kasay 9.00
DEF Tennessee 4.00
Total 111.04uofmike
QB Tony Romo 0.00
WR Calvin Johnson 16.20
WR Steve Smith 3.20
WR Mike Wallace 8.20
RB Beanie Wells 6.10
RB Kevin Smith 18.10
TE Rob Gronkowski 7.80
K Nick Novak 4.00
DEF Philadelphia 7.00
Total 70.60LOLRomo
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Romo probably wouldn’t have mattered because Cam Newton had to be SELFISH and hog all the TDs for himself and not share with Steve Smith
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
Yeah, I did kinda beat you by 40 with Marshawn Lynch on the bench.
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What's ridiculous is...
What’s more ridiculous is that people are even considering anyone but Rodgers.
…is dumb comments like this as if anything out there should be done without considering other choices.
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…but that is amazing to see those numbers pushed out over the same number of passes. That is to assume that he keeps up the same amazing pace the whole time.
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All right, let's look at what he'd have to do to accomplish those numbers
In 155 attempts, he would have to throw (what he would need to do) [what he did this season]:
833 yards (5.7 ypa) [9.2 ypa]
1 TD (0.6%) [9%]
8 interceptions (5.2%) [1.2%]
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no it's not
Honestly, I think you’re lying to yourself if you believe anyone but Rodgers should be MVP. I know that’s going to make me sound like a ridiculous homer, but its true. Yes Rodgers worst stretch of the season has come at the end of the year, but you know what? We have had the division sewn up for weeks and been a shoe-in for home field for weeks. Rodgers didn’t need to play his best football the last couple weeks, because he didn’t mess any games up earlier this year like Brees did. Oh did you see the last game that Rodgers played in? He only played 3 quarters against his biggest rival and pretty good D, all he did was throw 5 Touchdowns.
With the offensive line we have and how bad superstar ends have abused our tackles, do you honestly believe any other quarterback would do what Rodgers did? A huge part of the teams success is built on forcing turnovers and not turning it over ourselves. If Rodgers takes risks and turns it over a couple times his numbers would be more ridiculous than Brees, but we probably have a couple losses. Shame on Rodgers for winning!!!!! If Rodgers turns it over, our opportunistic defense is no longer opportunistic because we have negated their turnovers and the defense is suddenly just a very very bad defense.
Brees has thrown 4 to 5 games worth of passes more than Rodgers. Do you not think Rodgers would throw for the 900 yards in those 4 or 5 games? Do you not think he would throw 1 touchdown in those 4 or 5 games? People are only talking about Brees because he broke Marino’s record, I am fully confident that if Marino’s record was 6,000 yards, it’s open and shut, Aaron Rodgers gets MVP. But because Brees threw for more yards than anyone ever has, give him the MVP… Which makes absolutely zero sense. Especially because 2 other players threw for over 5,000 yards this season. I don’t know if anyone saw, but the stat that keeps track of how good a QB is, Rodgers not only broke the record, but dismantled it.
I will put it this way, put together a good argument for Drew Brees over Aaron Rodgers, because I have yet to see a good one. The best the Saints blog can come up with is Matt Flynn, my favorite part is there was no substance in their article, it was just claiming that since a backup threw for more yards and tds than Rodgers ever has, Rodgers is clearly no good. Then it gets rec’d 10×... Which (I know, its a Saints site and they’re biased for Brees like we are Rodgers) is the exactly what I am having a problem with because its exactly what the media has been doing for a couple of weeks. Rodgers has played so well this ENTIRE season, that people are just making up dumb things to get someone besides Rodgers the MVP.
So please, someone give me a good argument that successfully concludes that Brees played better than Rodgers.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
to clarify
when I say Rodgers dismantled the QB Rating record, I got my words mixed up. He didn’t dismantle Manning’s record, he dismantled every other QB this year.
When it comes to passing yards, Brees threw 241 yards more than the second place guy (Brady). A number that Brady could easily have gotten in one more game.
Rodgers had a QB Rating of 122, the second place guy threw for a QB Rating of 110 (Brees). It would take multiple games of Brees playing his very best football to get his rating up to what Rodgers had for a season average.
Rodgers threw for over Brees’s rating in 12 of his 15 games. Brees threw for over his own average in only 7 of 16 games. That means more often than not, Brees threw for less than his 110 QB Rating, something Rodgers did only three times. Brees threw for a higher QB Rating that Rodgers average 5 times, Rodgers threw for over his QB Rating 6 times. Which says that Rodgers threw for over Brees’s rating (the second highest rating) while not going over his own average of 122 (So a rating between 110 and 122), 6 different times… which is only 1 less times than Brees threw for over 110 all season.
The numbers show that when Brees is on, he’s very good. But when he’s not on, he’s pretty average/a little above average, which happens quite a bit to him. When Rodgers is on, he’s very good, but when he’s not on, he’s still better than almost every QB, and him not being on doesn’t happen often. Again, Rodgers is being punished for his consistent greatness, while Brees gets rewarded for his sporadic greatness.
The biggest problem with Rodgers in the eyes of people, is that the QB Rating is an average, if it was taken as a counting number (like yards), people could comprehend how great Rodgers was. In his 15 games Rodgers amassed 1837.5 QB Rating points (122.5 × 15), while the QB Rating points for Drew Brees are 1769.6. Meaning that even in one full games less (a HUGE disadvantage in QB rating points because you can get numerous points with one or two good drives) Rodgers had a full game more worth of points than Brees. Well if you take Rodgers average (which I think is fair considering that Flynn destroyed Detroit) and add it to that 16th game, Rodgers has 1960 QB Rating points (An NFL record for QB Rating Points!!!) compared to Brees 1769.6 QB Rating points which is 190.4 points ahead of Brees, which is physically impossible to accomplish in one game.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
You are missing the point here. I totally agree that Rodgers deserves it and he’s had an outstanding year. But to say that even considering anyone else is ridiculous is just a stupid comment to make. EVERYONE is going to consider other people, they would be ridiculously biased otherwise.
Brees lead the league in passing yards, TDs, and completion percentage. He lead his team to a 13-3 record in a tough division. Not saying he should get it but ignoring his nice season is just stupid and trying to say that considering him takes anything away from Rodgers and his year is just stupid.
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He barely beat Rodgers in passing TDs
in an extra game & 155 more attempts. Also, if you factor in rushing TDs, Rodgers had more total TDs.
Tough division? Did they get moved out of the NFC South where two teams finished with 6 wins or less?
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by Wiedmann on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
and no one in that division plays defense.
When I say consider, of course you should consider other people. However you should not consider anyone else so much to the point where you could actually see yourself voting for them. Almost any other season, Brees is MVP. But this year it shouldn’t even be close.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 1:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You could also argue that the Saints have a much better running game which probably pilfered some of Brees’ TDs. See look everyone can play the hypothetical “asterisk” game. haha But seriously…why the smear campaign on Brees. Just say, Brees had a GREAT season, too bad for him that Rodgers had an even more amazing season.
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by TrevorR on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If this is the point you're making,
then I’m okay with it.
Consideration, followed by near-instant dismissal,Or, something like that.
is one thing, and is all right,
but dismissal without any consideration at all
is another, and isstupidnot all right,
because, if you don’t consider in the first place, then how do you know if it’s not worth considering?.
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I sometimes get myself in trouble because I assume things out of people, who don’t really know my personality.
When I say consider, every single player in the NFL should be “considered”. However to me the gap between Rodgers and everyone else is so huge that to spend large amounts of time considering them is just a waste. You end up really reaching for points and having to convince yourself that those points are enough justification to vote in another player other than Rodgers.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So rather than saying no one else should be considered – which, by the way, you said MANY times – just say that you feel this is Rodgers year. While Brees had a great year which is worthy of consideration, Rodgers is the clear favorite based on…
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woulda ahoulda coulda if
But didnt
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
read the other posts
The only thing Brees has going for him is the counting number stat of passing yards, which is easily inflated by number of attempts. People in sports don’t comprehend averages very well. They see Rodgers averages almost a whole yard better per pass than Brees but they don’t understand how big that actually is.
In a throw by throw basis, Rodgers was much much better than Brees.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
or he would have thrown 30 more interceptions
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 3, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
I have also noticed no one mentions we had the ball for 150 more offensive plays then the Packers
So why should Drew be penalized for having better ball control offense and a better defense
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 3, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
He's not penalized
but it’s an advantage that needs to be considered.
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Better ball control?
Is that why he threw over double the INTs that Rodgers did?
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 3, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Nevermind
I misread that. Carry on.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 3, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
better ball control
Or much less efficient? Why should Rodgers be penalized for having his average pass go 10% farther than Brees and thus not need to run as many plays?
What you’re essentially saying is that Rodgers should be penalized for being able to score too easily. Because there’s no way in hell the Saints are taking a 5 yard pass play if they knew they could get a 15 yarder. It’s not ball control, it’s less efficient.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
by uofmike on Jan 3, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Big silver lining if Brees wins MVP
It will light a volcanic fire under Rodgers like no other. Remember last year, Rodgers was not voted in the Pro Bowl. Yea, go ahead and make Aaron’s day, put Brees in and he’ll make everyone pay
MVP won't be announced until after the NFC Championship game
So even if he does win it, he can be motivated by the discussion about it until then. Then if you’re in the SB, well, since you’re there, you might as well win the SB MVP to sweep the awards.
- League MVP
- SB MVP
- Lombardi
Discount triple check?
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by Wiedmann on Jan 3, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, are they doing it like last year or like in years past?
In what is a major departure from previous years, the Associated Press won’t reveal the winner of the 2010 NFL Most Valuable Player Award until hours before the Super Bowl on Feb. 6
Did they only announce it last year at the SB, just so Brady could have his name mentioned at the SB (because Lord knows he wasn’t winning two playoff games to get there last year)?
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by Wiedmann on Jan 3, 2012 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They didn't know he wouldn't take a 14-2 #1 seed to the SB
And he deserved the MVP last year, he should come in third this year, but he should have had it last year
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 3, 2012 7:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
welll yeah, logically he should have definitely had it last year.
but with people dragging out the whole ‘supporting cast’ arguments this year, it’s pretty clear that those people think that he should give last year’s MVP to Peyton Manning
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Rodgers had an 8TD : 1Turnover ratio
Brees: 3.06 : 1
Brady: 3 : 1
Any questions?
by Archibaldcrane on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
nope
Brees is definitely as good, if not better than the other two.
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
Who's MVP?
Both Brees & Rogers have devoted fans that are going to always come up with many valid reasons why their guy should get it but the factors that determine it all are sometimes elusive. Since there aren’t any equivocal rules determining points than it just may be a popularity contest. This one isn’t so easy because there has been such an assault on the records this year from the rookies to the most seasoned pros. This one may be too close to call and may only be definitely determined if these teams meet again on the field. There’s a young gun out there that would love to keep that from happening however and would be delighted to see both quarterbacks playing in Hawaii. I think there’s more drama before this MVP decision is made.
I’d prefer to only see Brees in Hawaii this year.
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by TrevorR on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The decision has already been made.
The votes are in.
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by TGPackersTwins19 on Jan 5, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
it won't be too close to call, Rodgers will win in a landslide as he should
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by sheehan on Jan 5, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The due date, for the voted to be turned in,
was a couple of days ago.
The winner just won’t be announced until the week before the Super Bowl.
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After further review,
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What a bold statement!
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by Wiedmann on Jan 6, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rodgers the MOST consistent, the MVP
Aaron Rodgers was 14-1 as starter, 45 TD’s/6 INT’s—best overall in the league. Brady had 39 TD’s and 12 INT’s—twice as many INT’s, while Brees had 46 TD’s and 14 INT’s—MORE than twice as many INT’s as Rodgers. Rodgers averaged a league BEST yards per pass at 9.2 yards per completion while Brady averaged 8.6 and Brees averaged even less at 8.3 yards per completion. Of the three QB’s only Aaron Rodgers DID NOT give the ball up with a fumble during the season, his average of TD’s vs turnovers was the best in the league. He was the MOST consistent performer and winner in the NFL this year and deserves to be the MVP!
that's yards per attempt, not yards per completion
9.2 would be a horrendous number for yards per completion
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Rodgers' yards per completion is 13.5
Brady: 13.1
Brees: 11.7
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