An Offseason Plan: Getting Back On Top
I didn't expect to be writing this post so early. This is just my Whole Big Plan for the off season, looking at how I would like to see it go, while staying within the realm of realism. No more time will be wasted... on to the blueprint.
Coaching Carousel
There's a big story going on with Joe Philbin, as you all know; his son was recently found dead in a river in Oshkosh. Quite the tragedy. And a little off topic, but it bothers me that nobody on the sports networks really mentioned Philbin's tragedy as affecting the Packers players, except I heard Dilfer talk about it. Seriously, it should be clear that the team's struggles were partially to the fact that they spent the day before the big game at a funeral, and they didn't know if Philbin would even attend the game. All I hear is how great Eli "You can't spell Elite without Eli" Manning is.
And now you can make that two stories on Philbin, with him recently been named the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. That means someone needs to be promoted/brought in to be the offensive coordinator. There's only one right man for the job.
Tom Clements

Clements deserves a lot of credit for being part of developing Aaron Rodgers, as well as Matt Flynn.
Clements has to be promoted, or else he will join Philbin in Miami as the OC. If he had to make a decision between OC in Green Bay, or in Miami, he'd stay in Green Bay. But if it was QBs coach in Green Bay, versus OC in Miami with Philbin, he'll be gone.
Clements wouldn't have to much pressure on him, because McCarthy actually calls the plays. Another reason Clements needs to be promoted is because of his knack for developing QBs. Rodgers was a 1st round pick, but you can't doubt that he's come a long way. Brady Quinn was a 1st round pick as well. Flynn was a 7th round pick; now he'll be a starter (probably in Miami).
Reggie McKenzie- He's gone to Oakland, and rumors say Winston Moss could potentially be following him. Not sure about replacements or whatever here, probably promote within the staff.
Free Agency
This is where things get tricky. Alot of work to do, especially looking at Finley, Flynn, and Wells. There's a free agent pool for the DL that Thompson will likely give a look. Meanwhile, not many good, experienced 3-4 OLBs out there to pick on.
Re-signing Players
Scott Wells- YES
Wells needs to be the top priority, even a bit higher than Finley. Gotta try to resign him. Ever heard of tagging a center? Probably won't be necessary, because he will be willing to negotiate and settle for a contract that is beneficial for both sides. Let's say: 3 years, 14 mil
Jermichael Finley- YES
Finley is our other top priority at FA. Finley's drops have been very frustrating, but at the same time he's still very effective and opens up the passing game a bit. I'm not willing to overpay for him, but anything short of completely overpaying, I say keep him. He's a candidate for the franchise tag. But in the end: 4 years, 25 mil, 6.25 mil/yr.

A 4 year deal will be enough to keep Finley in Green Bay.
Just for the record, Vernon Davis got 5 years, 36 mil, 7.2 mil/yr, making him the highest paid TE. In 2008, Dallas Clark got a deal giving him 6.9 mil/yr. I think when you consider the level Finley is on, plus the growth of TEs in passing offenses, Finley will need about 6 mil/yr to stay in Green Bay.
Matt Flynn- YES/TAG
I do think Flynn will be tagged, but a deal will be made beforehand to ensure it doesn't end up ruining our cap. Flynn will be tagged and then traded to the Dolphins and Joe Philbin, for a 2nd round pick this year, and 3rd next year. The reason it's not a 1st rounder, is because a team knows they will have to pay Flynn up around 16 mil next season.
Do keep in mind that I'm only somewhat educated on the franchise tag and it's whereabouts, and I'm not sure what exactly is the chances Flynn gets tagged-and-traded. But I do know the Pats did it with Cassell (although a slightly different situation). I read the comments on BirdDogUni's fanpost, but honestly nothing was really cleared up. So considering this is my fake plan/wish list or whatever, I could do it how I wanted to, and this make some sense to me.
And not that I would get pissed or anything, but I'd rather not the comments section of my post become the same thing as BirdDogUni's post, cause his post is strictly on the Tag and Flynn. Thanks.
Ryan Grant- NO
Sadly, Grant won't be back. Teams saw him come on late in the season. We're not keeping him unless he takes a pay cut, and I think some other team will be willing to give him what he's getting now. We'll take our chances with Starks, Saine, and Green.
Donald Driver- NO
He's not a FA but he won't be back next year I predict. We have Borel and Gurley on the PS, and had West as well until the Jags (worst WR core I've ever seen) picked him up. So keeping 3 WRs on the squad seems to be foreshadowing that Driver's days are winding down in Green Bay. Thanks for all the years Donald.
Others
Erik Walden- NO- Walden has been ineffective this season, and nothing suggests he'll improve in the future. No hard feelings, but So'oto, Jones, and Zombo are all better options today and in the longer term. If he doesn't get any offers from other teams, I could see him being back in the mix, but for a tiny contract.
Jarrett Bush- NO- Bush, once hated by the fanbase, has improved, but ever so slightly. Bush's time in Green Bay has winded down, Davon House pushes him out of his role and into the Free agency pool.
Pat Lee- N/A- Nothing to see here. Lee will probably be in training camp, but might not make the roster.
Howard Green- NO- Thompson plans on drafting a young DT to replace Green, and he's not giving up on Neal just yet. Wilson and Wynn will be back, and Guy in the mix.
Free Agent Signings
I'm hoping Thompson somehow makes a big splash in FA.
OLB, From Dallas Cowboys
Never liked the idea of getting a former Cowboy, but Spencer is undoubtedly is a good OLB who won't have to make any transition into our scheme. Spencer has 6.0, 5.0, and 6.0 sacks in the last 3 seasons, and has 8 forced fumbles over that span. He'll need a decent deal, but won't cost a fortune: 3 years, 13 mil, 4.3 mil/yr.
QB, From Pittsburgh Steelers
Dixon isn't expected to challenge Aaron Rodgers for the starting job, but he's a capable backup who would be a good fit in our offense in my opinion. Consider, our offense, along with the Patriots, is the NFL's closest thing to a spread offense. Dixon played in the spread in college, and would love the idea of playing in an offense like ours. He's been good as a spot starter in Pittsburgh, and has performed decent in the preseason, and is only 27 years old. I'd like to see a battle between him and Harrell (whom I'm not completely sold on).
NFL Draft
1st Round- #28 Overall
Jared Crick DE/DT Nebraska
Crick is the ideal fit in at end in our 3-4 scheme. His stock dropped a bit because he missed most of this season with a torn pectoral, but we're still talking about a guy that dominates Big 12 guards in his Sophomore and Junior seasons, making 1st team All-Big 12 both of those seasons.
Other possibilities (same position)- Fletcher Cox (Ms St.), Brandon Thompson (Clemson), Jerel Worthy (Mich. St).
2nd Round- #40 Overall (FROM MIA)
Lamar Miller RB Miami (FL)
Miller is the real deal. He's one of the fastest backs in the class, and he has good size to go with it (5'11" 212 lbs). Miller is younger and have less mileage on him considering he only played 2 seasons in college, and took limited carries as a freshman.
RB isn't exactly a "need", but upgrading the position with a young talented player is something I'm in favor of. Miller's excellent hands assure he'll be an integral part of the passing game as well.
Watch the below video to see how good he really is.
Other possibilities: David Wilson (Va Tech)
2nd Round- #60 Overall
Jayron Hosely CB Virginia Tech
Hosely is a tough, strong corner for Va Tech. He's got good size at 6'. He's gotten beat deep a few too many times this year, but he's still talented and will get better. I watched their BCS Bowl game vs Michigan, he was absolutely great in that game.
Other possibilities- Stephen Gilmore (So. Carolina), Casey Heyward (Vandy), Brandon Boykin (Georgia)
3rd Round- #92 Overall
Brandon Lindsey DE/OLB Pittsburgh
Lindsey will be a DE conversion project, but considering we have our current starter in Anthony Spencer, so he will have plenty of time to convert positions. Lindsey made 1st team all Big East last season at End, showing his superb pass rushing ability with 8.5 sacks.
Other possibilities: Donte Paige-Moss (No. Carolina), Emmanuel Acho (Texas), Shea McClellin (Boise St)
4th Round
Jeff Allen T/G Illinois
Allen has played both tackle positions and has held up well. He could be more of a developmental tackle if he doesn't move quick enough to handle speed rushers, but he should be good as a backup tackle either way. Offensive line depth is never a bad idea, and we can be sure that Ted Thompson won't ignore the line.
Other possibilities: Levy Adcock (Ok st), Ryan Miller (Colorado), Tim Compton (So Dakota)
4th/5th Compensatory Pick
Eddie Pleasant S Oregon
I'm going to say that Collins will come back from his injury and start next season, but either way, in the late rounds it's a good idea to add depth at any positions that need it. Pleasant is a decent play maker for the Ducks who's game could translate to the NFL as a capable backup/spot starter.
Other possibilities: Duke Ihencacho (SJ st), Matt Daniels (Duke), Janzen Jackson (McNeese)
5th Round
David Molk C Michigan
Wells gets resigned, but he's still getting up there in years. This is really just a depth selection for now, but Molk could be the starter down the road. He's currently underweight a bit at 290, but should add a few pounds without losing mobility.
Remaining Picks
These picks, Thompson usually takes the best player on the board, and often takes FB/TE Hybrids because he likes having way too many of them.
Look for some more O-line depth, and players anywhere on defense.
Depth Chart
Not necessarily the 53-man roster, but this is we could be looking at in the preseason games, minus a few of the 6th/7th round picks I didn't predict, and a few UDFAs.
QB: Aaron Rodgers, Dennis Dixon, Graham Harrell, Nick Hill
RB: Lamar Miller, James Starks, Brandon Saine, Alex Green
FB: John Kuhn, Ryan Taylor
TE: Jermichael Finley, DJ Williams, Andrew Quarless, Ryan Taylor, Tom Crabtree
WR: Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Gurley/Borel
OT: Derek Sherrod (LT), Brian Bulaga (RT), Marshall Newhouse, Jeff Allen, T.J. Lang
OG: Josh Sitton (RG), T.J. Lang (LG), Evan Deitrich-Smith, Ray Dominguez
C: Scott Wells, Evan Deitrich-Smith, David Molk
NT: B.J. Raji, Ryan Pickett
DE: Ryan Pickett, Jared Crick, C.J. Wilson, Mike Neal, Jerious Wynn, Lawrence Guy
OLB: Clay Matthews (L), Anthony Spencer (R), Brad Jones, Vic So'oto, Brandon Lindsey
ILB: Desmond Bishop, A.J. Hawk, D.J. Smith, Robert Francois
CB: Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Jayron Hosely, Davon House, M.D. Jennings
S: Nick Collins (Yes, he's back and healthy), Morgan Burnett, Charlie Peprah, Eddie Pleasant, M.D. Jennings
Concluding Thoughts
I really thought hard about where exactly the Packers needed to improve most, and looked at all of the options. I decided that most of the work should be on defense, namely on the front 7, and if possible, getting one of the stud RBs in the draft, Miller or Wilson. Upgrades at OLB with Spencer, DE with Crick, and RB with Lamar Miller, with added depth in the secondary and offensive line.
I think this off season could put us back on top.
So, there's my plan. Feel free to pick it apart, and go ahead and vote in the poll so I know how you guys feel I did.
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Couple things...
I think some of the free agency stuff is a reach. TT doesn’t really do much and I don’t see us going for Spencer or Dixon. I think you are right about most of the players leaving in FA except for a few. I think Lee will be let go over Bush, because of Bush’s ST play. I also think they will renegotiate a contract for Grant to keep him. Howard Green I’m not at all sure about.
Your part about the coaches seems pretty spot on as well. Instead of getting Crickett first round though, I would love us to grab an OLB like Upshaw. But a few mock drafts have him going to the Jets, Dolphins, and even the Eagles. So I’m hoping a trade for Flynn will get us a higher first round and maybe we can grab both.
Thompson probably won't dip in FA
You are probably right, but I think he should this time because we are in win now mode and need an instant starter rather than a developmental guy. I would LOVE Upshaw but he’ll be long gone. Some of the other guys are good, but none would be really good starting as rookies.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 24, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe
that TT is ever in just win now mode.
I think that he is always in ‘win now and in the future’ mode.
In other words, he is simultaneously trying to win now, and building for continued success in the future.
He always has both in mind; never just one or the other.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
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After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
True, but the team is young enough
That he could go after a free agent for a fair contract and not jeopardize the future.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 27, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
While projecting the draft this early is still a crapshoot,
Everyone I’ve seen has Lamar Miller drafted before 28 overall, and certainly not falling into the second round. I like Crick and if his injury is healed I would have no problem with getting him at 28, but a competent OLB would be my preference. Unfortunately, I think all the OLBs with a first round grade will be gone by then (Upshaw most definitely will).
I would like the Spencer signing if it’s a contract that works for both sides. He’s solid, not spectacular, but that’s what we need opposite Matthews right now. We just need a player who won’t be noticed that much because he’s good enough to man the opposite side, allowing Matthews be the freak that he is.
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Yea Upshaw will most likely be gone in the top 15.
But should we trade Matt Flynn to Washington or Miami for their first round, that would gives a pick at either 6 or 9 respectively. Will it happen? Probably not, but if it did and we could pick up a killer OLB and DE all in the first round, everything else would be gravy.
We aren’t getting a first rounder for Flynn…
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I wouldn't be overly surprised if we did (assuming a tag & trade)
All it takes is two teams who really want him.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 24, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I still don’t see that happening but I’ve been wrong before and I’ll be thrilled if I am this time!
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by TrevorR on Jan 25, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I doubt a tag & trade, myself
but if it does happen, I think he would net a 1st or 2nd.
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There could be a few surprises
Both Upshaw and Ingram measured just under 6’2" at the senior bowl, and both don’t have long arms. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of those two to drop to 28, similar to Woodley.
Also, news has broke about Lamar Miller having shoulder surgery after the draft, which will help lower his stock.
Good info
Being only 6’2" and a pass rusher is a small concern, one of them could drop, more likely Ingram.
Yeah that should lower him just a bit, he’s more likely to be here at #40 now. I would take the guy anyways, he’d be such an upgrade for the offense.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think Crick will be there mid-2nd round
I’d love to have TT trade up for that.
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or down.
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
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"We don't play scared!"
Those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor!
I'd rather not trade down from the 1st
depends on how the draft falls, though.
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Crick
Doesn’t do much for me. If we can get him in the 2nd I would be happy, but thats w/ our pick in the late 2nd. If we trade out of the 1st, I wouldn’t take him top or mid 2nd.
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I wouldn't want him as our 1st pick
I wouldn’t mind seeing a trade up in the 2nd tho. I think he’ll be gone before the Packers pick in the 2nd
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Maybe
I think he’ll be gone before the Packers pick in the 2nd
You never know, especially with his injury question mark. Depending on how his combine goes, he might fall. Justin Houston’s fell from a 1st to a 3rd last year (although that wasn’t due to injury, it shows that draft stock is very fluid)
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True
At the beginning of the season I saw him projected mid-to-late 1st round. Be great if he could fall to the end of the 2nd.
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Okay.
I don’t know enough yet to have an opinion one way or the other about Crick.
I’ll be getting educated by those of you who do between now and the draft, haha.
My comment was more along the lines of which way to trade to get to the upper/middle second round if there is a player there worth going after.
I never have a problem with trading down and getting more picks, regardless of where the team is in developement, because I believe that more out of a finite total number of draft picks is almost always better, especially when you’ve got a guy who has a track record of being a good judge of talent, and a good drafter in all rounds.
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Great Post
BlackPack-Fan, I commend you on your homework, my friend, you know yr stuff. I’m going to post a thought or two on this, but I put the disclaimer out there that I am not as well-informed or knowledgeable as probably most of you on acme, but I am a packers fan, so here goes:
Many will probably argue with this: I agree with the suthor’s feeling that the pack need to go out in free agency and get either SPencer or a big tough DL. Another person besides Matthews and Raji who can cause a disruption. I know that the Pack mentality is to develop their draft picks, which they often do and do well, BUT, after going 15-2, we need to keep the dominance where it is. Know one knows what is going to happen with Neal(if he’s going to even stay healthy enough to contribute and then be a disruptive force), and let’s face it, the carousel at opposite OLB to Matthews has not gotten it done.
Many, including myself, believe Ted Thompson will not make a splash in Free Agency, but I implore him to do it, JUST THIS ONCE, PLEASE TEDDY!
Ok, another reason for this desire is my reading of something on the Journal-Sentinel by Bob McGinn saying that it looks like Woodson will be moved to safety sooner or later. He is getting older and his blitzing this year did not seem as effective as last year. I think alot of his blitzing this year was Capers reaching for any kind of rush of the opposing QB. And having a guy who’s only 200 or less in weight rushing the passer is kinda ridiculous. Your beginning to risk his health as teams start looking for it.
Anyways, I think Capers shouldn’t have to send Woodson at all, except maybe once or twice a game to throw the old monkey wrench into the opposing offense’s system.
BUT, please Ted, get another disruptive force in there on the line or at OLB.
BlackPack-Fan, SPencer sounds great, he’s accomplished, not getting hurt and knows the 3-4 system.
by stallis on Jan 24, 2012 9:25 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Welcome back to APC!
I see it has been a while, so it’s nice to see you aboard once again.
I agree that it would be nice to sign a free agent, although it’s highly doubtful. TT did sign a few free agents after two disappointing seasons in 05’ and 06’. Those free agents did a great deal of good for us over the years (Woodson and Pickett). Maybe, just maybe, TT finds another one this year after a very disappointing exit from the playoffs and disappointing year from the defense. One man I have my eyes set on is OLB Ahmad Brooks from San Fransisco. He recorded 7 sacks as a backup. Once a starter but replaced by rookie Aldon Smith. He’s set to be a free agent and I don’t think he’ll sign with anyone early in the free agency period. We know for a fact that TT won’t sign a highly pursued Free Agent early, but he will keep his eyes peeled for guys under the radar…
One game at a time...
Ahmad Brooks would be a reasonable signing
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I like Brooks too, I saw the NFC Champ game, he had a neutral zone infraction one play, then the next play exploded into the backfield for a sack.
by Tracker J Dunn on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Great comment, agree with your points.
I also believe that Thompson probably won’t dip in free agency, but I think it should be done considering we are arguably the best team in the league right now. We’re NOT rebuilding, so getting a vet who can make instant contributions rather than a rookie make sense to me.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 24, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Free Agency..
I was listening to Rob Domovsky on the radio yesterday and he said he had a gut feeling that Thompson would dip a little bit into free agency this year. A guy like Spencer would be the type of signing. He won’t break the bank, but defiantely a proven player in an area of need. I hope you are right BPF.
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Jayron Hosely
Isn’t he a bit small for us? We normally take corners that are 5’11" or above. NFL draft scout has him listed at 5’10"
I actually don’t like Crick as a first rounder for us. Might just be me, but I need to see him do well in the combine before he’s a possible 1st round pick.
I think Crick is gonna be the guy that Mel Kiper talking about as the guy he cant believe fell to the late 2nd early 3rd. He is overrated, imo.
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by juggernaut400 on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
another D-lineman with injury history..?
pass
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Plan...
Draft) Step 1- Take best available pass rusher. Step 2- Take another one. Step 3- Profit. The Giants draft style is a similar style to TT with the BPA but Ted tends to go for the big guys early. Big worked with Raji and Bulaga (and hopefully Sherrod), and failed with Harrell and Neal. He needs to switch gears to some athletic freaks for the defense. The Giants didn’t need JPP at all when they drafted him. They had Tuck and Osi and Kiwanuka that could all play a very good DE. Guys who can make big plays always find their way on the field despite “depth” ahead of them on the chart.
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AJ Hawk- He makes a fair amount of tackles but most are 7 yds down field and he usually ends up on his back. He is very good at being the guy that gets blocked on the double inside blitz to free up Bishop to make a play. Not worth $5 mil/yr for a guy whose only real redeeming quality was that he was good at using the helmet with the green dot… and with all the confusion that we had on defense this year he may have slipped at that job too. DJ Smith seems more than capable of doing Hawk’s job for 10% of Hawk’s salary.
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by juggernaut400 on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Neal hasn't failed yet
he’s on course, though. Maybe he’ll turn it around this coming year.
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Hawk and DJ Smith play different positions!
Hawk is the guy that takes on the OL so Bishop and Smith can make all the tackles. Hawk is also the guy who blitzes first on the ILB cross blitzes so it break Bishop free to get the sack! I agree he might be overpaid a little, but he does the dirty work so Bishop/Smith can make the plays that you notice!
I can’t understand why so many people dont understand the difference between the 2 ILB positions! They are very different and Smith could not play Hawks position!
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by Strohman on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just curious
Have you read anything that says that there’s a difference between the two positions? Or is it something you’ve personally noticed?
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by packallday555 on Jan 25, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've read it...
But its also obvious in the way they are used. How many times does Hawk blitz 1st on that cross blitz? Every time he goes, followed by Bishop after Hawk has taken on the blocker and left Bishop free to get to the QB. On run plays, Hawk is always taking on the blockers so Bishop can mostly run to the ball. The Weak ILB is basically just like the WILL LB in a 43.
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agree
even francois….hawk just looks numb and confused most plays.
I don't know if anyone noticed
But MTD is starting up their live Mock Drafts again. Anyone interested?
The threads get too many comments
slow down my computer. My comp is relatively new (a HP like 2 years ago) but it slows down after like 400-500 comments, and one of the live drafts got like 700 one time. An eternal thread at Battle Red (texans) had like 1,200 comments and the internet completely stopped working lol.
I might give it a try though if no body else signs up. I could do the Packers, Dolphins, or Texans so I’ll see if any of them dont get filled.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 24, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
An impressive write-up
The research shows.
A few things:
-No way Donald Driver doesn’t get re-signed. As a 5th WR and local icon, losing him would be a PR hit that even gives Ted Thompson pause.
-Lamar Miller is the perfect candidate for the annual “offensive skill player nobody sees going to Green Bay” (Jordy Nelson, Randall Green, etc.) He looks like a straight baller.
- Anthony Spencer might be an OK fit, especially if the price is right. Thompson doesn’t go to free agency often, but when he does he usually finds good value, especially on defense (Pickett, Woodson, Chillar).
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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 24, 2012 5:17 PM CST reply actions
Driver's under contract
So he would have to be cut/traded for him to not make the team.
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Thanks. Driver, still not sure about him.
I would think he’d be back, but the fact that we kept THREE receivers on the practice squad says something to me. We’d never keep three if none of them would be on the roster the next season.
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Driver and the practice squad
I should start by saying that I also believe Driver has a very good chance of being gone. . . . But we also have lots of extra TEs on the roster. Does this mean Finley is gone?
And if the “lots on the roster indicate a current starter is gone” logic holds true – can we please stock our roster with ILBs so we can get rid of Hawk?
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 27, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
But we also have lots of extra TEs on the roster. Does this mean Finley is gone?
That’s really different in my opinon, because Finley is one of the top TEs in the league and the other guys are just average to above-average. Meanwhile, Driver is on his last leg and is the 5th best receiver on the team, he could easily be replaced by Gurley or Borel. Could Quarless or Williams easily replace Finley?
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 27, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
Just thought of another reason why they’re different situations: TEs and WRs are going to fill different roles on special teams. . . .
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 28, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
driver
the only thing I found amiss in the article was the placement of the word ‘sadly’ in front of the possibility of losing (ditching) grant, when it would have been more accurate on front of the driver paragraph.
Really?
I can’t see any way that the Packers DO bring back Driver! I would be shocked if he’s on the roster next season. Don’t see Miller being picked by the Pack either. Thats what they drafted Green for last year.
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Anyone who voted for the 3rd choice
I’d like to hear your argument. I won’t jump on you, I wouldn’t have put that as a choice if I would want to kill anyone who voted for it. I just would like to hear the argument of how this is wrong.
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I don't see Double D leaving
He’s still got it, even if he’s just gonna be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart and more of a possession receiver, and he’s an integral part of the team. The others…. ya may be right on, BPF. We’ll see how the offseason goes.
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Really?
You think he’s still got it? He had all of 3 receptions against the Giants who mostly covered him w/ LB’s! He’s gone… And its time! If he wants to keep playing let him go to another team instead of taking a roster spot that would be better served going to Gurley or one of the other WR on the Practice Squad.
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by Strohman on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Stroh.
Gurley is a big physical receiver, unlike any currently on our roster. If he can play on special teams at all, my guess is the 5th WR job is his to lose.
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I must have missed something
isn’t Jordy Nelson a big physical receiver? I mean, he IS 6’3" and 217 lbs…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Gurley is bigger and faster. Closer to Finley than Nelson.
by Tracker J Dunn on Jan 26, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
faster than Nelson? False.
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by sheehan on Jan 26, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
really? I’m not saying Nelson is slow, but even Woodson and Tramon were saying Nelson isn’t really fast so much of surprisingly quick because of his long stride and the misconception about him being white and slow. Their words not mine.
by Tracker J Dunn on Jan 27, 2012 2:52 AM CST up reply actions
Long striders aren't quick.
But they build speed and have top speed better than most.
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yeah once Nelson hits his top speed, there are few who are faster in the NFL
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Don't know I would go that far...
But his top speed is pretty good.
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Meh
Gurley is certainly bigger and taller than Nelson, but Nelson is still faster. We are yet to see who is more physical. You’re right though, Gurley is closer to another Finley than Nelson. Not that Gurley is Finley or ever will be, but he resembles him more so than Nelson.
One game at a time...
Does he play in a particularly physical manner though?
He might be big, but he’s more of a speed guy/deep threat. I don’t remember a whole lot of times where he has to go up for jump balls or deal with a lot of contact.
Then again, maybe that’s a function of his QB putting the football in a place where he’s the only one who can catch it.
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I think so
He’s got an ultra mean stiff arm , which he’s shown plenty of times (the one agaist the Lions I can’t find but it was epic). Your right he doesn’t make a lot of huge catches on jump balls and stuff, but like you said Rodgers puts the ball in the right place and doesn’t throw hardly any 50/50 balls (Eli throws a lot, and therefore throws alot of INTs).
If Gurley makes the team instead of Driver, he’ll play the Brett Swain role except he’ll be on the field a bit more often cause he’s a better receiver.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 26, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent article BlackPack-fan!
I don’t think we should draft a DE in the 1st Round that has been injured… Too much risk!! (See Harrell)
Thank you for the props… I understand why you didn’t want all the comments to be about Flynn & the tag, yet, I do believe the more I hear and read that it’s going to happen. I can’t wait to see what we get for him!! : )
I voted very happy, but, think we’re actually going to do better! That is my hope anyway!
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Thanks. I can see your concern with Crick
Crick has been injured this season, but it’s not quite in the same way as Harrell (and guys like him). The differnce is Crick is was durable before his torn pec, and major season-ending injuries can happen to anyone. I’m more worried about a guy like J Worthy who gets a bunch of little nicks for injuries that get worse as their career goes on.
I also think the tag will happen somehow, Thompson will make it work, I’m just not sure HOW he will make it work.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 26, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Dixon?
Really? I seriously doubt TT even looks at Dixon. He’s athletic but I dont think he can consistently play QB in this league, and Spencer won’t be signed for two reasons, First, he plays LOLB (the same as Clay Matthews) and is only good because DeMarcus Ware is on the other side and two, TT isn’t looking for a 28 year old outside linebacker and of course doesn’t play well in FA. I don’t mean to critique but you’re reaching if you believe those two will be on the team next year. Other than that, thanks for the good read. (Again, Im sorry if I came out like a dbag)
I like Derek Wolfe from Cinci, he’s looking good at the senior bowl so far.
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Dixon and Spencer
First off, I agree with your doubts on Spencer. He’s been pretty mediocre his entire career despite playing opposite Ware, and with a decent pass-rushing NT in Ratliff to push the pocket.
However, I’d like a guy like Dixon. Not necessarily Dixon, but a highly mobile QB makes for a good backup. If Rodgers goes down for the season it’s pretty certain that we’re not going to win it all. But if Rodgers goes down for just a game or two it’s nice to have a backup who throws the opposing team’s entire defensive gameplan out the window. As a bit of a sidenote, I think this is why Tim Tebow would make a great backup QB but will probably never be a great starting QB.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 27, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
The problem with that
is that if your qb goes down and his backup plays completely different than your whole offense is in trouble. This isnt madden. There is a reason why GMs and Coaches draft similar styled Quarterbacks. If you didnt notice, all the Packers QBs all have similar body types…again for a reason.
"Football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
he means within the same game, it's not a bad thing to have that change of pace
like when the Chargers were completely shutting down Orton earlier this year, then Tebow came in and the Broncos almost won because they weren’t prepared to face a completely different type of QB.
Or last year in week 1 when Kolb went out, Vick came in, and suddenly the Eagles offense was dominant.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Sorry
I just have a coaches mentality I guess. I wouldnt want to curb my offense but those are good examples to how it could benefit. I would still want a guy like Flynn as my back up though.
"Football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Well, I'd prefer to have a great backup
But given the typical level of talent dropoff from starter to backup (Washington Redskins excluded) I’d rather have a guy who makes the opposing team’s gameplan irrelevant. It might not work week in, week out (see Tebow, Falling back to Earth), but it can work for a little while.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 29, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Also like
when the Packers were winning easily against the Eagles in last year (2010)’s opener, then Vick came in and the Eagles almost won because we weren’t prepared to face a completely different type of QB.
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After further review,
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clearly you didn't read my full post Lol
I used that as an example
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Yeah
I thought of that game so fast while I was reading your comment, I did an instant-reaction reply, without finishing reading the comment.

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"We don't play scared!"
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Polar bears
I want one for a pet. I think they could be tamed.
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I doubt you could afford to feed one
Even if you could have one for a pet! The eat alot of meat… Half a dozen steaks probably isn’t enough meat for them a day.
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yeah I was joking
I do, however, think they are a very interesting animal. Also, their cubs are cute as fuck.
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Thats what babies are for
You know how many babies get thrown off of a cliff in Sparta? Just collect them to feed the bear!
Wait a sec…. They don’t do that anymore… I think…
Yes, he benefited from playing with Ware
But doesn’t that also mean he will benefit from playing with Clay Matthews? Not to mention we bring more pressure than most teams. It’ll be a similar situation for him, and I think he’ll take advantage of it and get 6-8 sacks and a few FFs.
Dixon, I kind of reached for him, I doubt he’s on the radar even, but I liked the guy in college and think he’s a good backup who still has some upside considering Clements/McCarthy do as good a job developing QBs as anyone, and Dixon is physically gifted.
Don’t worry dude, nothing D-Bag-ish about your comment. BTw I’vde heard a few things about Wolfe, I’m going to watch the Bowl game, Ill keep an eye on him.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 27, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
The difference is that Ware is a significantly better pass rusher than Matthews
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I don't know about that
If he had someone on the other side, he’d probably look a lot better, too.
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by Wiedmann on Jan 28, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
Matthews had 13.5 sacks in ’10. In ’11 teams started gameplanning for him more often, and realized that the guy opposite him (Walden) sucked and could barely win one-on-ones. Which is why Matthews fought thru double teams virtually every down. Spencer would benefit from Matthews, and Matthews would benefit from Spencer.
@Sheehan, Ware is probably the better pure pass rusher, but it’s not “significant” it’s very close, and Matthews gets just as much respect from coordinators.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 28, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Right now.
I would say Ware is a better pass rusher. I don’t think its all that close… Thats no disrespect to Matthews. Ware has been in the NFL and has learned all the techniques and tricks to beat OT. Matthews isn’t yet at that level, but he could easily get there. Matthews is a much better all around 34 OLB tho. And thats not close either. If we can get a guy on the other side that can get 10 sacks on his own and has some versatility the Packers would have a great tandem. I don’t see Spencer being much of an upgrade over the guys we currently have. He’s never had more than 6 sacks playing opposite Ware and mostly playing vs RT. Sorry but nothing worth spending money on IMO.
Drafting another OLB that has pass rush ability of his own is the best way to go. And if that guy is able to get 10 sacks playing opposite of Matthews then we would have the best OLB tandem in the NFL.
Dream draft for the Packers…
Rd 1 Brockers DE
Rd 2 Vinny Curry/Bruce Irvin OLB
Gives the Packers
DL: Brockers, Raji, Neal
LB: Matthews, Hawk, Bishop, Curry/Irvin
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Outside of Upshaw and Ingram
I really don’t think any guy in the draft could make a big impact as a rookie. Spencer would be a bigger impact than Irvin or Curry right away, and although Ted doesn’t think like me, I want to win now, because we are fine for the future with Rodgers and a young team. And I also planned for the future by drafting Lindsey.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 28, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Spending money on Spencer would be a waste IMO
He wouldn’t do more than 6 sacks playing opposite Matthews and could easily do worse. I think I would rather have had Curry/Irvin over Brooks Reed last year and Reed put up 10 sacks. Both Curry/Irvin showed better pass rush in college than Reed did. Hard to judge and way too early to say that neither of them could make an impact as a rookie.
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I'm with you on Vinny Curry
I think his draft stock will improve after his performance at the Senior Bowl. Not that he was a wrecking ball like Von Miller was, but he did apply pressure on a consistent basis. I think when the Scouting Combine is over, Curry may be valued as an early 2nd to late 1st round pick. That’s just my hunch. I like what I saw from Curry. He does a great job rushing inside and outside of the OT’s, but he needs to improve his speed rush (based on what i saw in the Senior Bowl). I think Curry has a high ceiling, and I would love to see him play opposite Clay Matthews.
One game at a time...
Curry
If they can’t get Ingram or Upshaw at 28 which seems unlikely and if Brockers is off the board, I can see them dropping into the top of the 2nd and getting Curry/Irvin. Curry seems like the better pass rusher, but Irvin seems to be the better athlete and all around OLB. Either I think can be had in the top 1/2 of the 2nd round. Other than Brockers and Still I don’t really like the rest of the projected 34 DL guys in the first.
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How about Fletcher Cox?
Good pass rusher, and has the ideal size for a 34 DE. 28 may not be the best value for him though.
Have to do more study on him and others.
Just my first impression at this point. Haven’t gotten into full on scout mode just yet. I’ll know more in a month or so… He might be OK. Just I know Brockers and Still are sure 1st rd picks.
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Matthews' best season was 13.5 sacks with six of those in the first two games
then he had only six this season. Ware has had at least 11 for 6 straight seasons and individual years of 20 and 19.5 … He’s also bigger, stronger, and faster… I’d say from a pure pass rushing standpoint he’s definitely superior to Matthews. Matthews is definitely better in coverage though, and probably just as good or better at stopping the run
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Yeah, this is probably right. It did seem to me like Matthews pass rush may have declined a bit. He did see single teams (granted, not much), and it didn’t seem like he took advantage as much as he had in his past two seasons. Though, he was much more stout against the run this season, which maybe could have slowed him down a bit in that regard.
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by packallday555 on Jan 28, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Just going to throw these here (don't want to make another thread):
SI.Com: Senior Bowl Top Prospects
From the article:
6. DE Melvin Ingram: South Carolina (6-2, 276)
He’s an impressive pass rusher who can get after the QB in a number of ways. Plus, he’s versatile, as he can be effective from a number of spots and will likely get looks from both 3-4 and 4-3 teams.
NFL Fits: Eagles, Chargers, Packers
8. DT Brandon Thompson: Clemson (6-2, 310)
He demonstrated the first step to consistently gain leverage at the point working the bull rush, kept his pad level down and displayed the ability to shed through contact. He has a slight wiggle laterally as well, but is more of a one-gap guy only, who can create penetration inside as either a 4-3 or 3-4 guy.
NFL Fits: Packers, Broncos, Panthers
Bleacher Report (ugh) Senior Bowl Analysis
Lennon Creer: A late add, Creer is having another great week after winning the East-West Shrine MVP award. Creer is an exciting prospect who has good all-around ability. I was particularly impressed with his burst once through traffic. He has the ability to turn into a second-gear and take off. Creer’s a player worth grinding on down the road.
This guy has been getting a lot of talk on Twitter from scouts and analysts. Not that we need a RB, but I like hearing about players I haven’t even heard of before. Feelsgoodstory.
Rotoworld: Offensive look at the Senior Bowl.
Not sure we need anything too badly on offense, but a good read. This is like the 1,000,000th article praising Russell Wilson, but he lacks size.
ESPN Draft Buzz: Under-the-Radar
This Vinny Curry guy has another good story. Look forward to seeing where he ends up.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 27, 2012 12:44 AM CST reply actions
Curry is the guy who helped himself the most.
From what I read. Everyone already knew about Ingram and Thompson.
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Your quotes on Ingram and Thompson
aren’t those from National Football Post? If they’re from SI.com someone’s got a plagiarizing problem.
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 27, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
In the article:
By Wes Bunting, National Football Post
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 28, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
I wasn't clear at all there
I wasn’t saying you were plagiarizing, I was saying that Wes Bunting was plagiarizing. Didn’t mean to accuse you of plagiarizing. Keep in mind I’m part of the pro-BLAS4MOD camp!
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by I voted for Kodos on Jan 28, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
No no no. I get that.
I am in the same boat as you. I don’t know how SI.com and NFP work with sharing their work. Seems like he may be getting a nice royalty for other people publishing his work. I think the confusion lies in that they are sharing material, which is weird to me.
No I should have made my second comment a bit more clear.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 28, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
From the Rotoworld article
While Wilson lacks great arm talent, he is self-aware and does not stretch himself trying to fit too many passes into tight windows.
Wilson only lacks one thing: Size. He has a really strong arm and is accurate in virtually any situation. If he was 6’3" he would be a Top 10 pick.
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 27, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
How I Run My Offseason
Coaching
I would give Clements the job, if we go in house. If we decide to go outside, I would look at the QB coach in New Orleans, Joe Lombardi. I think we could see something special with him. Also, knowing a few secrets from Brees might help shut that offense down.
New Free Agents
We build from the draft, not the free agents. If we do sign anybody, it will be undrafted rookies.
Our Free Agents
Wells – Yes
Finley – Yes, but he is taking a hometown discount and we will renegotiate after two years, based on performance.
Flynn – Tag and Trade. (Here is looking at you Miami or Cleveland or Washington)
Grant – No
Driver – Yes, he will be back. You all know it.
Walden – No, I have future HOF So’oto. Get to steppin.
Bush – NO!
Lee – Hell No!
Green – No, sorry bro we fix this problem in the draft.
NFL Draft
*This is based off mocks I have seen and what I have read else where.
Round 1 – Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
-Clay Matthews gets another Trojan on the other side of the ball.
Round 2 – Jared Crick, DE/DT, Nebraska
-Call me crazy, but I have heard reports his stock is dropping. Nice 2nd Rounder if he falls.
Round 3 – Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame
-With Collins we need a better back up. Without Collins, we need a better starter.
Round 4 – Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa
-Start to groom the new #2 CB, for when Woodson hangs it up. Plus look at the speed!
Round 5 – Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU
-Just need some more depth on the line. Past two years, injuries on the line has hurt us. And he don’t need a helmet.
Round 6 – Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State
-Could be the new Matt Flynn. Groom him for greatness and set him loose on the NFL.
Round 7 – Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina
-TT could do better with worst. Believe!
As for compensation picks, those are unknown. Also it is hard, even for us Packers fans, to mock TT. Don’t be suprised if after the 3rd Rounder we don’t pick again till the 7th and have every 7th Round pick because of his wheel and deal style.
Our FA
Wells – Yes, only qualifed C on the team.
Finley – Yes, by far the best weapon and recieving TE on the roster, likely franchised.
Flynn – No, he walks in FA and we get a 3rd or 4th rd comp pick
Grant – No
Driver – No, too old and doesn’t have it anymore. You all know it.
Walden – No
Bush – damn right he’ll be back. Too valuable as a ST ace and 4th CB.
Lee – No.
Green – No
Draft – one of
1st Brockers, Still, Upshaw, Ingram, Perry, Mercelus
2nd Curry, Crick, Irvin
3rd amd beyond, look for a speed safety/CB, gotta run under a 4.5 40 or too much of a liability. And OT/OG/C to be a back up.
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I would absolutely love it if they drafted Kellen Moore to be the new backup
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I would absolutely Hate it if they drafted Moore!
Don’t think he’s NFL QB material. Go to the CFL…
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if his arm isn't strong enough for the NFL, it certainly isn't strong enough for the CFL
that field is much wider and teams throw a lot more frequently, you need at least as strong an arm to be a good QB there.
That being said, I’ve seen Moore throw it 60 yards, which is plenty. He’s incredibly accurate, and he dissects a defense pre-snap and makes his reads post-snap better and faster than most NFL QBs. IMO the only thing that holds him back is height.
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I Don't care where he goes...
As long as its NOT the Packers! CFL, AFL, SF, Indy… ALL the same to me! I don’t see him as an NFL QB! Not just his size either. Would MUCH rather have Wilson than Moore.
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60 yds w/ a running start and no velocity on it...
Might as well be a shot put!
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FWIW
I LOVED Matt Flynn when he was a draft prospect. And his arm wasn’t much better than Moore’s.
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then if arm strength and size aren't the determinants, what is the knock on Moore?
those are considered by most, including myself, to be the only flaws in his game.
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THey are part of the reasons...
I just don’t think he can transition to the NFL. Exactly why, I can’t say… Best I can do is say, “I think he would be a boy playing a Man’s game”. Not just size and arm, tho they are contributing factors, just think he would be in over his head. Sometimes its just a feeling… I could be wrong about him, but I don’t think so.
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we'll see
from what I’ve seen, his head and his accuracy are already at an elite NFL level, the only thing missing is size, and arm strength, but I’m of the opinion that his arm strength is good enough (like a drew brees or Matt Ryan), and that size is a ridiculously overrated quality in QBs.
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but opinions are opinions, all we can do is wait and see.
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No college QB...
Already has the head and accuracy of an NFL QB! Much less and Elite NFL QB! Lets not get out of hand here… It ludicrous to think he is that ready to be an NFL QB. Especially not after he sucked at the Sr. Bowl!
And yes it is my opinion that he will never be an NFL starter. He’ll be lucky to stick on someones PS For a year or be someones 3rd QB for long.
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i'll be honest
I’ve been a big fan of Nick Perry and I still am. However, I do see the need to get a big, physical, and strong defensive lineman who can step in and have a big impact (ala J.J. Watt for Houston). Therefore, if a high quality player falls into our laps, I would be fine with getting Curry or Irvin in the 2nd round (like Stroh said). BTW, has anyone heard anything about Nick Collins? i read an article on him the other day……i’m just curious as to whether we’ll ever see him suit up again
Find out in March..
When he get evaluated by the Dr’s again. Don’t think we’ll know or hear anything till then.
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As Stroh said
In March he will get evaluated and make a decision then. He said he wants to be quick in making a decision so the team can prepare for life with or without him. He also mentioned he’s gonna follow the doctors advice, and not take a big risk in coming back.
That being said, according to sources, his last evaluation in December had positive indications for him returning.
Is Winston Moss being rumored for a HC job?
Because that’s they only way he can leave. He’s currently the Assistant HC/ILB Coach
"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."
Was rumored for Oakland
But all HC jobs are filled currently.
by king.nothing on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Found a website called www.drafttek.com
They have a computer simulator for the draft. They input team needs based on 1-10 on the positions and factor in players of if they are a 3-4 player or 4-3 players. Then they simulate all rounds. Shows who they pick and two alternatives for picks. As for Green Bay:
1st Round: Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
-Also: Nick Perry and Michael Brockers
2nd Round: Vinny Curry, OLB, Marshall
-Also: Bruce Irvin and Markelle Martin
3rd Round: Antonio Allen, SS, South Carolina
-Also: Harrison Smith and Trumaine Johnson
4th Round: Landon Walker, LT, Clemson
-Also: Tank Carder and Josh Robinson
5th Round: David Molk, C, Michigan
-Also: Philip Blake and Cliff Harris
6th Round: Keith Tandy, CB, West Virginia
-Also: Robert Blanton and D’Anton Lynn
7th Round: Josh Kaddu, ILB, Oregon
-Also: Max Gruder and D.J. Holt
I would take either alternative choice
Over Crick at #28. Of the three it would be a toss up between Perry and Brockers right now. If we got Perry at #28, and Crick was on the board in the early 40’s I would start seriously considering moving up to get him tho. I don’t think he lasts till 60’s, so once in the 40’s he would be a real value. Like his interior pass rush…
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