NFL needs to fix its playoff system...
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 29, 2012 2:21 PM CST
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The New York Giants (9-7) are playing in the biggest game in the NFL this week. Don't we want to see the two best teams play eachother (kind of like college football) so there's no controversy as to who the best team really was? Do we honestly think the Giants are a better teams than...
The 15 - 1 Packers
The 13 - 3 Saints
The 13 - 3 49ers
Heck, I don't even think they're as good as the 10 - 6 Lions.
They got hot and lucky, beat three teams in a row, and all of a sudden deserve to play in the NFLs biggest game? I don't think so.
Why do people complain about the BCS system in college football when it so frequently pits the best two teams of that year against each other?
Roger Goodell. Give us a point system so we can see The Green Bay Packers face off against the New England Patriots this year. It would be the better game and both of those squads deserve it.
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Huh?
Do you forget what our record and seed was last year? This is a ridiculous post, no one in here can complain about the Giants. Heck we didn’t even win our own division last year and we won it all, why would we want to see that changed?
No I want to see the two teams that EARNED their way to big game. The Giants WASTED us…we don’t deserve to be in the Super Bowl. Either do the other two.
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by TrevorR on Jan 29, 2012 2:49 PM CST reply actions 22 recs
Do you forget what our record and seed was last year? This is a ridiculous post, no one in here can complain about the Giants. Heck we didn’t even win our own division last year and we won it all, why would we want to see that changed?
REC’D!
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 29, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
This might be one of my most rec’d comments ever!
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It's up there.
I saw one rec’d 35 times a few days ago. I don’t even remember what it was about but your comment will stick with me so I’m hoping it beats the 35.
BCS style point system….SMFH
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Zero comments, and you jump straight to the FanPost.
Why?
Also, LOL @ at your suggestion that college football’s system is in any way, shape, or form better than the NFL playoff format.
by mike_o on Jan 29, 2012 3:00 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
because...
…my first FanPost gets 60+ hits.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I've known many little kids
who just want attention.
Good (praise and rewards) or bad (trouble and punishment) — just doesn’t matter.
So long as they get their attention.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
Those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor!
by NorthStarr on Feb 1, 2012 1:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Its easy to get lots of comments when your post is garbage…just ask Chris Gates over at DN.
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by TrevorR on Feb 1, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Actually...
…my first FanPost got 240 + responses.
You’re welcome.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
And not a single one of them was in support of your idea.
Think about that.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think you understand the concept of responses...
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 2, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If you think that youre deserving of thanks...
…I’d hate to see what your spiteful is.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
When responses are comments
calling your idea terrible, its not a good thing
just saying.
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by netsareboss on Feb 3, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Doesn't know who Bill OReilly is...
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Are you proud about comparing yourself to Skip Bayless & Bill O'Reilly?
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by Wiedmann on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Um...
Yes. What’s wrong with them?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
They're paid television trolls
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
They're the best at what they do.
Can’t knock people for succeeding.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Donald Harvey was the best serial killer ever
Can’t knock him for succeeding.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
...and you asked me how I knew I was smarter than you?
You don’t see any differences between your serial killer and Skip Bayless?
What is the education system like over in cheese country?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:14 AM CST up reply actions
You're an idiot
If you can’t see the parallels, then that proves just how ignorant you are.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
The parallels...
…between a serial killer and Skip Bayless, host of ESPN’s First Take.
Yeah. Sue the state for wasting your time in school.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
The difference is slimmer than you might think.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
What schools did you go to?
I went to the 41st ranked international university, and 11th ranked nationally.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
How old are you?
I go to school in a suburb of Buffalo, called Williamsville. My schools name is Williamsville East. How old are you?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:40 AM CST up reply actions
I turned 30 less than a week ago
I graduated with a Pure Mathematics major & Physics minor. I’m sure your high school is much more prestigious than that (but most people won’t recognize that, because they’re sheep).
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
What are you yammering on about?
The bigger issue here is that you are 30 years old, arguing with a 16 year old Jr. in high school….and getting your ass handed to you.
You should have taken some logic, philosophy, advanced level english classes.
You need to reevaluate your life.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 AM CST up reply actions
I think the recs show that you are the one getting your ass handed to you
My life is great. In the last year, I hitchhiked 5000 miles partly with a 22 year old hot Russian chick & partly with a 25 year old hot Italian chick. I went to 10 National Parks, and generally had the time of my life. Have you ever had sex? It’s like the thrill of arguing on the internet, but you actually accomplish something.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Sorry to shatter the illusion,
but high school kids are fucking dumb, and even if you’re one of the “smarter” kids in your school, that doesn’t count for much. I’m sorry your parents and teachers are lying to you about the worth and validity of your opinions, but it’s their jobs at this point. Give it a few years and maybe you’ll have something of worth to offer, but right now, with all honesty, you aren’t even close.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 5, 2012 5:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Dude you don’t even know what life is yet. Just stop now.
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by TrevorR on Feb 5, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I know life isn't about arguing with high school kids on message boards when you're 30 years old...
That dude is hilarious.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
dude I'm not trying to offend you here
but you really aren’t equipped to be debating anything with anybody on here. Give yourself a few years and you’ll realize how silly this idea and most of your ensuing banter was.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 5, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Logic is logic no matter who it comes from.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
yup, I thought the same way when I was 16
you’ll learn.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Logic is logic when applied properly...
Here I will help you understand. This is a local college with courses in deductive reasoning and logic. Check out PHI 215 and PHI 315. You get to learn about the premise of an argument, how to build a proof (argument), and how to avoid bias and fallacies in your argument!
Enjoy!
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Argument is something that's been innate in man for the past ten thousand years...
It’s not something that’s taught in secondary education.
I could not live with myself after getting set straight by a 16 year old. I couldn’t do it.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Argument, sure.
Effective argument, not so much.
You’re yet to set anyone straight. Just because you think you’ve said anything of value, that doesn’t mean that you actually have. You’re biased. Of course you think what you’re saying is right. Otherwise you wouldn’t say it. Every third party in this thread has sided with your opposition. Every third party in your post at Die By The Blade sided with your opposition.
But here’s the thing, Lance. It isn’t your fault. You’ve been spoon-fed the lie that you have opinions of worth on any subject that you choose to opine on, when that just is not the case. You’re 16. You don’t even know what your opinions are yet. You just regurgitate what you’ve heard someone, somewhere say before, preferably with some big words involved.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 5, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
A 16-year-old telling a 30-year-old how to live his life?
To say that’s rich would be an epic understatement.
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State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 5, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
He may be ignorant,
but, he’s also stupid.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
…and apology now a joke.
By the way, I don’t think its a bad illusion to make with your “can’t knock em for succeeding”. Bayless is among the worst at his profession. No one listens to him as a respectable media member.
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Look at his ratings
Look at his salary
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
So now money = success? money = respect?
Bayless WAS a high paid and somewhat respected columnist in Dallas. Now he’s turned himself into a character much like Jerry Springer who was once a somewhat respected politician. Just because people watch you on TV and someone pays you doesn’t make you successful or respected.
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How do you get respect?
I can’t believe I’m 16 and teaching you this…
You make money and provide for those around you. He had much less respect as a writer in Dallas. The only people who read his work were 9 – 5 hacks who drank beer and wasted far too much of their valuable time. Now he can support his loved ones on a level he didn’t come close to as a Dallas writer.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
uhh…wrong. See that is where being a 16 year old fails for you. You don’t get respect by making money. I know a TON of people with oodles of money whom I have no respect for. This couldn’t be more off, sorry man.
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by TrevorR on Feb 6, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Like it or not, people actually enjoy watching them...
Like it or not, this thread reached 550+ responses because people enjoyed participating in it. No offense, but most of the posters here are boring as f%*&. They’re a dime a dozen. I provide a little interest, a little something different. It allows people to escape their mundane lives and feel alive for a bit. (as alive as you can be while posting on a message board).
Isn’t it strange when you realize I’m AcmePackingCompany’s most popular member? I’ve been here less than a week and basically everyone already knows my name. That’s not through sheer luck my friend.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions
No, it didn't reach 550+ responses because people enjoyed participating in it
It was because your ideas were so fucking stupid that to leave it without a response would be wrong.
Hey, asshole, not everyone knows your name. If we’re going by name recognition, the most popular APC member is REVENGE4FAVRE, another troll who is now banned for life.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
If people didn't enjoy participating they wouldn't have participated...
It’s simple human psychology. People do one of two things ALWAYS. They either move towards pleasure or they move away from pain. That’s it. That’s all people ever do.
I give the people pleasure. I may package it in an innovative way but they still follow the rules.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
Innovative - Using or showing new methods, ideas.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions
Except you're not the first person to troll.
Nothing about your trolling methods are new.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
"There is nothing new under the sun"
and yet the word innovative still exists.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
Show me a "troll" post that's as forward thinking as this one...
…or show me a troll post that’s as massive as this one.
I am the best. You can’t deny this.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
Replying to this one twice rather than admitting you failed out fo a tech school?
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Sorry, I was giving you too much credit
Thinking you could actually get into a tech school.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
You're 30
…and you post on a sports blog.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:48 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, I do
Is that supposed to be an insult?
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
I hope my life doesn't end up that way...
Screw that, there’s no hoping about it. My life won’t end up that way.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
world is different now, there's nothing wrong with older people using the internet
shocking, I know, when I was your age I thought my generation was the only one allowed to use it as well.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
There's nothing wrong with using the internet...
You intellect reveals itself again with a statement such as this.
It’s choosing to spend your time on a football message board, throwing insults at 16 year old high school student.
Spending time unwisely is always weak. It just looks ten times worse when you’re 30.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
'You intellect'
also, I’m 20, not 30.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Figure out how these blogs work...
It doesn’t take a 2400 on your SAT to understand it.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
SAT scores totally matter, guys!
Tell me you still believe that in 3 years, Lance.
2011: A wasted year
If it matters to the college I want to go to...
…then it matters to me.
(low SAT scores bud?)
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Spending time however you see fit isn't "unwise" or "weak."
It’s called leisure.
2011: A wasted year
Typical...
Some men’s leisure isn’t even an option on other men’s menu.
Time is time my friend. You choose it the way you want. Labeling it something only makes the weak feel better about themselves.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
and you are 16 and think you’ve experienced anything in life.
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by TrevorR on Feb 5, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So my slate is clean?
Your slate is pathetic?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
So you're admitting to being a troll?
Just like on the basketball blogs on SBN, that pretty much sums up all you’re doing here, kid. Oh, and someone could write a post that says “Hitler was right!” and it’d get tons of views and opposing comments… doesn’t mean that the OP is smart, right, or entertaining… just a troll hoping to get people to look at his crap. Also, flagged.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
No.
No one is getting 600+ comments with a “hitler was right” FanPost.
This was special.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
actually things very similar to that happen all the time. It wouldn’t happen in here but if you went out on some news site you could pull that off. Go try it.
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It's pathetic that I have to clear that up for you...
Here it is in simpler terms… how many posters on this thread have backed up your opinions?
You are the best ...
In a bad way. Not something to be proud about.
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State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Forward thinking?
Really bad idea does not equal forward thinking. It just is what it is.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Wot
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 29, 2012 3:56 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Has to be THE Dumbest post ever!
A Playoff is great! It means teams EARN their playoff berth by virtue of winning in the regular season and then EARN your way into the SB!
Gotta be an ignoramous to suggest something like College Footballs bowl game is a better idea!
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
by Strohman on Jan 29, 2012 4:23 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
i think the proposition of trading A-Rod for 5 draft picks and keeping Flynn was the dumbest
in my opinion, at least. haha
by StevieV17 on Jan 30, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sure we'll have another contender soon enough, but yeah,
that one is still reigning champ.
2011: A wasted year
How about
Cutting every player on our team and signing 52 players from the Arena Football league? Is that dumber?
Tajh Boyd and Dre' Ellington are the future.
Brandon Jennings; Just keep waiting people.
by BlackPack-fan on Jan 30, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
/deletes fanpost about signing 52 players from Arena Football League
15-1 [One and done... *SIGH*]
Back on track to Super Bowl XLVII!
MattFlynn4StartingQB
by arodgb on Jan 30, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
What the hell were you thinking?
That would field an awful team. What we need is an amalgamation of CFL and XFL players.
2011: A wasted year
Bobby Hebert?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
Greg Landry?
Or, was that WFL? Or both?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
Those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor!
No no no no no no.
You “earn” a title shot by winning games all year. You should not be rewarded by earning a title shot by winning the last three games of the season.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
The purpose of the season is to earn your way into the playoffs. Its a whole new season after that.
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by TrevorR on Jan 31, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
100% this.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Ha!
So it’s a 3 and 4 game season? That sounds legit. Actually, no it doesn’t.
Do you want 3 minute quarters in the NFL as well? That’s WAAAAY too small a sample size.
Give me 16 MEANINGFUL games to decide who the best teams are. Pitt them against each other. Have a champion.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
You seem to be forgetting
The 12 or 13 games leading up to the last 3 or 4. Those games count too, you know.
Happy Virginian, Sconnie for life.
So it’s a 3 and 4 game season?
No…it’s a 16 game season. You know, the Giants did have to win other games to make it to the playoffs.
Every game is meaningful. Most of the time you’ve gotta win at least 9 games to make it to the playoffs, and when you factor in that any team can be another team any given Sunday (Packers losing to under 500. Chiefs, 49ers losing to the Cardinals, Saints losing to Bucs, Rams), that doesn’t leave any room non-meaningful games.
If we were to do that then we’d have two heavily scrutinized, and flawed football leagues. People would always be complaining about schedules or the fact that certain teams may have improved more than other teams throughout the season. Why would we want any of that?
The playoffs are the fairest way to determine a winner, and only allowing 6 teams from each conference ensures that each team that makes the playoffs had to play well throughout the season.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 31, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Oops, should be any team can “beat” another team.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 31, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
What you are describing sounds AWFUL. No drama. Teams that are in the middle have no chance at anything. More teams stop trying and start vying for draft pick spots. Your system would eliminate teams about 5 weeks into the season causing a terrible competitive mix in the NFL.
The college (kinda) works because teams are competing for players on a completely open market while in the NFL much of the players come via draft. There is a benefit for them for sucking so if a team around week 5 finds that they are already in essence eliminated there is no real motivation to give their all (other than pride).
Its a 20 game season which far trumps a boring, anti-climactic 17 game season that you are describing. My gosh, I can’t even believe that there is one person that would want to see such an awful system brought anywhere.
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No drama?
Have you paid attention to the college regular season?
No drama? lol
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
for like a couple of games a year
then we get crap like the national championship game…just sayin
by packermussupreme on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
....
What? Football is football. Blowouts happen.
I still much prefer the college game to the NFL game.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
It’s your opinion and I don’t want to bash it but how can you prefer college football to NFL football?
I can understand how somebody could prefer college basketball to NBA basketball. The NBA has consistently done things that take away from the game. The shorter shot clocks — people want to see higher scoring games. The defensive 3 seconds in the key — people want to see more dunks. While that rule also helps to limit helps limit helpside defense — again, people want to see more scoring. The fact that any “superstar” gets a foul called for him anytime he drives and is bumped/touched in the slightest. Not too mention, the seasons are too long, which leads to teams playing half assed defense for parts of the regular season.
All those things, for me personally, negate the fact that the NBA has the far superior talent.
But I don’t feel as though the NFL has done those sort of things to the game of football. And while I do like college football, it doesn’t even come close to the NFL for me. The talent is superior, as is the coaching — the spread offenses can be exciting to watch but I guess at times it comes off a “gimmicky” to me.
But I don’t understand
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 4, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Real quick...
1) I love the fact that I’m watching student athletes who are going on to succeed in parts of life not related to football. Notre Dame is my team and even that program only produces a handful of NFL players each year. I can’t stand the average NFL athlete in today’s game.
2) The atmosphere in the college game is ten times better than that found in the NFL. Entire towns get behind college football programs. It’s beautiful.
3) There’s a wider variety of philosophies in the college game. The NFL game is far more homogenized.
4) The college game is simply more wide open. Monster running backs can average 7 yards a carry. Teams can routinely throw for 500+ yards. College superstars have a much bigger impact on the game than do NFL superstars.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
If only the town of Green Bay could get behind the Packers...
Entire towns get behind college football programs.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm from Buffalo. I know what it's like for a small city to "get behind" an NFL team...
Go to South Bend on home opener weekend. Nothing even close to that in the NFL. Not even close.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Notre Dame has sold out every home game since 1973
Green Bay has sold out every home game since 1960.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said...
…go to Notre Dame on opening weekend. It’s surreal.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
Like I said...
leave APC.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So an NFL team selling out every home game since 1960
and having a waiting list for season tickets that’s about 96 thousand people isn’t as good as Notre Dame. You have some of the most backwards logic I have ever seen.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 5, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
and no offense...
…but something is wrong there.
Notre Dame has been a power house every year for the past 50 years. It makes sense to take time out of your life and watch your home team compete on a high level.
What is wrong with the people in Green Bay? The Packers have gone through more than a few rough patches during that time and people still feel the need to go out in the cold and watch their teams face get kicked in? How about spending time with your family? How about putting in a few more hours at work? How about saving up so your son or daughter can go to a better school? Something is seriously wrong there.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
It's called devotion to a team
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Um...thanks?
Call it what you want, but it’s misguided and it’s what losers do.
I can think of a few more productive things to do with my time than watch a crappy Green Bay Packers team, in the snow, lose the the Minnesota Vikings, during a particularly rough year.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
you have much to learn, grasshopper.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
What on earth do you know about macroeconomics?
You’re barely old enough to employed as a register jockey at McDonald’s.
2011: A wasted year
What did I say about macroeconomics?
Really, I’m waiting.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
"Referring to"
You made a pretty big leap there didn’t you? What’s life like when you get schooled by a high school kid?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
My family is comfortably in the 1% if you're referencing what I think you are
football does not build character, it reveals character.
okay, then I feel kinda rude for saying that
my bad.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
When did that happen?
Lose to the Vikings like that?
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State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Who could forget that magical 2007 season?
Notre Dame has been a power house every year for the past 50 years.
and “powerhouse” is one word, Mr Intelligence.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
You wouldn't find me in that stadium after week 2...
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, so you admit you're a fairweather fan?
If you ever had any credibility (doubtful, I know) it’s gone now.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You call it fairweather...
…I call it smart.
The NFL, and the machine we know as sports, has brainwashed sheep into believing buying a crappy product is somehow admirable. Loyalty is for the weak.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
You're clearly an idiot.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!!!!
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by TrevorR on Feb 5, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is one of the dumbest idea’s I’ve ever read.
Hopefully, at this point you’re just saying all this stuff to be argumentative and not because you actually believe any of it. Because if you really do, you’ve got a lot too learn.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 5, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You know
with how much you like to call people sheep, it leads me to believe that you’re also one of those idiots who calls people “sheeple”. You’re just following the masses when it comes to that. I guess that’s the new hipster thing is to call people sheep, right? Honestly, I don’t know why any of us are answering you, because you are borderline what most people would call mentally handicapped. “Hey guiz, look at me! I can say big werdz and stuff! Incomprehensible! Magiciacal! and on and on..”
Seriously, please just stop.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 5, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
dude seriously, stop arguing with him
he has no idea what he’s talking about or how to legitimately support an opinion. There’s no chance of winning an argument with a high school kid, they are firmly set in their belief of always being right.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 5, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Yeah, this population here at APC, nay, the entire human race, has proven to be very open minded, ESPECIALLY as they age.
Oh wait, science says otherwise. Try to keep up.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
are you joking?
Notre Damn hasn’t been in a title hunt for a decade or two why in the world are their fans still watching.
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Go to South Bend on opening weekend...
Just because they haven’t been contending for titles doesn’t mean they put a shoddy product out on the field.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
did you watch them play this year?
they put up some of the most embarrassing performances I’ve ever seen. Also, Tommy Rees is quite possibly the worst quarterback that’s ever started in division 1-A football.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
They finished with a decent record and there's hope for the upcoming years...
The product certainly wasn’t a joke.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Hate to break it to you but Notre Dame has been on the way down for a while now, and I don’t really see that changing.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Scouts inc and Rivals.com say differently.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t care about recruiting classes, I care about results. How many BCS bowl games has Notre Dame been in since 2000?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 6, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yes it does. They haven’t even been close to relevant in a LONG time. You act like we don’t keep up on college sports or something.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Since 2000,
Notre Dame has been in 8 bowl games. That’s 8 bowl games in 12 years. ScoutsINC gave them the 10th best recruiting class this year. Oh and most places have them ranked in the top 25 headed into next season.
Keep at it though, you’ll get things soon enough.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
How many of those bowl games did they win?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
You said they’re a powerhouse, no? Merely cracking the top 25 isn’t indicative of that.
The only reason Notre Dame still gets talked about as much as they do is because of their history and the fact that all their games are broadcasted on NBC.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 6, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Cause they are blindly followed by their sheep
Eli is our King!
You’re a prick. The Green Bay community probably gets behind the Packers more than any other community does for their home city/state’s sports team. In fact, families often do get together on Sunday’s to watch the Packers play.
I’m not even going to respond to the work or school comment. Just now that you come off like a pretentious prick.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 5, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
...
I’m not even going to respond to the work or school comment
He’s barely old enough to have a job, and he’s in high school, where they still hold your hand the whole way through. Of course he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
2011: A wasted year
LOLOLOL
“Notre Dame has been a power house every year for the past 50 years”.
The 2007 team would beg to differ. Yes, the Notre Dame team of the 3-win, 9-loss record. Clearly, that is the record of a powerhouse.
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State high point count: 4/50
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 6, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
I've been to Notre Dame several times, I'm an Irish fan as well.
touring the campus is a surreal experience. And I can’t deny that the whole crowd gathering as the players and coaches go from mass to the stadium is pretty cool as well.
But I wouldn’t say the game atmosphere is better than that of an NFL game, particularly a small town type of NFL game (like Buffalo, where I have season tickets). It’s just a different atmosphere. less alcohol in the college atmosphere. But it’s also pretty uncomfortable sitting in those bleachers at Notre Dame stadium where they pack people in like sardines.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I imagine that's why Patriots fans take over your home stadium every year.
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State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 5, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
1) I love the fact that I’m watching student athletes who are going on to succeed in parts of life not related to football. Notre Dame is my team and even that program only produces a handful of NFL players each year. I can’t stand the average NFL athlete in today’s game.
But you can stand the average NBA player? A league with players who came straight out of high school and guys who left after one season?
I love the atmosphere in the college game too but there are plenty of cities in the NFL who fully get behind their teams. I went to my first Packer game this past season actually, and the experience was amazing. It seemed as though the entire city was doing something for the game. Whether it was them actually being at the game, or every neighborhood seemingly having get togethers.
The reason the NFL is more homogenized is because all that college gimmick stuff does not work when you’re playing among all the best players.
As for 4), that’s true to a degree. Though, I’d argue that plenty of NFL superstars have just as big an impact on the game as college superstars. Only, their impact is more impressive because they’re doing it against the world’s best.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 5, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent points
No. I can not stand the average NBA player. However, there are some teams with a likable enough roster (Timberwolves minus Kevin Love) that demand my interest.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
It sounds like, in essence,
you just like college football better than pro football.
Stick with that, then. The things you like about college football; better atmosphere at the game, wider variety in philosophies, college superstars having more of an impact on the game than NFL superstars, have nothing to do with what you propose.
The implementation of your idea in the NFL would do nothing to improve the things you think the NFL lags behind the college game in.
I’m still reading this post, but I’m waiting to read WHY you think your idea is a good one because the short, incomplete reason you give in the post is grossly inadequate. It doesn’t even make a very open minded person like myself pause for more than a few seconds to think about it.
If you can provide good reasons, detailed reasons, I will listen.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Damn.... :-)
Thanks for the heads up
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Yeah and the NFL has the same regular season drama. The BCS is complete anticlimactic. You build all season for what, announcing a game that we all could have guessed because its based on the same ranking system that they announce for over half the season. The only time there is real drama is if one of the top two loses their last game. Yawn
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I feel like a broken record, but I will re-iterate:
When you go full-retard, don’t post it on here. Please and thank you.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Jan 29, 2012 4:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You never...go full retard. Just ask Sean Penn.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Why do people complain about the BCS system in college football when it so frequently pits the best two teams of that year against each other?
This is debatable. Though, I know I personally almost always take issue with the other BCS games more so than the championship.
Fire Slocum
i feel
that it is very arrogant of the BCS committee to say that team A and team B are for sure the two best teams in the country.
yup, a playoff would be nice but we know why that won't happen. $$
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
I agree totally...
Other games in the BCS are iffy at best. However, the championship game is hardly ever iffy. The BCS so consistently pulls the two best teams in the nation to go against eachother. Sometimes there is a 3rd undefeated team that played an easier schedule but at the end of the day you ALWAYS have your one and two teams.
The NFL’s record in deciding the best team has such a spotty record.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
There is controversy almost every year. This year there wasn’t but we can’t be so short sighted to ignore recent history.
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by TrevorR on Jan 31, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Like when?
There is never a controversy. At least not a legit one.
Case in point. Bama played LSU. The two best college teams in the nation.
What a surprise that the BCS produced that matchup. Actually, it wasn’t a surprise at all.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
IF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN WITHIN THE LAST 3 MONTHS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AT ALL!!11!11!!!!!!111!
Here’s a nice, simple list. Not the best source (Wikipedia), but it’ll do for these purposes.
By the way, your user name makes you look like you’re just trying to grab attention. I’ll let you know that I support cancer, and your blatant aggression is not welcome.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
He blatantly stated his reason for being here above (besides obvious trolling).
…my first FanPost gets 60+ hits.
Wait, did PackFaninFL make a new account?
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
My mistake...
My first FanPost got 90+ hits.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
So?
Quality of writing/ideas > quantity of views. Or at least that’s how articles/posts should be composed. If I stand on a table and scream FIRE MIKW MCMORON, more people will hear what I have to say, but that doesn’t mean that it validates my idea. Child, please.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Jan 31, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is...
…we’re not in a venue with a table. You have no opportunity to scream “FIRE MIKW MCMORON”. We’re on a message board. A place where discussion is encouraged. My first FanPost has now cracked 110 responses, no views, but responses.
Not to sound like a douche, but I put people in the seats.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
In the same way that Snookie does, sure.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Congratulations, you have less than 1% of Skip Bayless' audience.
Not to sound like a douche, but I put people in the seats.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 1, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and I don't think you can help the fact that you sound like a douche.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 1, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL…um no you don’t. No one is coming here new to talk about your dumb post. Its the same people, you didn’t bring anything but mind numbing stupidity.
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Skip Bayless isn't paid to be right.
He’s paid to garner attention.
I’m basically SB Nations Skip Bayless.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Congratulations?
I’m basically SB Nations Skip Bayless.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Skip Bayless is paid to have stupid opinions
You’re not getting paid. You’re just have stupid opinions.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
"You're just have stupid opinions."...?
Last I checked, no one here was getting paid.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
You didn't check very hard, then...
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 1, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My point is that Bayless might be an asshole because it puts money in the bank.
You’re apparently just an asshole.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 1, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ummm...
Why am I an “asshole”?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Mainly due to your behavior
Although there may be some parenting issues of which we’re not aware that cause this behavior, that’s still no excuse.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 1, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I make it a point to stick to the topic at hand...
…and only revert to tomfoolery when instigated. My “behavior” is at a level which should be praised by the majority of participants in this thread.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
If the behavior of the majority of participants in this thread bothers you
feel free to leave.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
We like making fun of stupid posts.
What of it?
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 31, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
And views
It’s like watching a trainwreck. Stretch Armstrong there obviously loves the mess he caused… therefore, a troll, IMO. And such a friggin’ stupid idea too.
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
BLAS4MOD...
BLOCK HIM! ;-)
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THE BLAS SIGNAL
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 1, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
What?
My user name makes it seem like I’m trying to grab attention?
It’s LanceArmstong_Livestrong
He’s my favorite athlete and it’s an easy name to remember.
msc32887 – Could you pic a more random user name than this? Perhaps throw in a couple more numbers at the end to increase your quest for incogneto. I figure a community should be filled with people who know eachother. You use name makes this infinitely harder.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yet you alienate most of the regulars here with your nonsense
If you’ll notice, a standard “Western” name has three parts. MSC are my initials. And, if you intend to delve further into the mystery, 32887 could…maybe…stand for a birthdate. Plus I think I lurk around here enough where at least a couple people recognize the name.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I'd totally put down a Cleveland zip code just to fool everyone.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Jan 31, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So, your initials aren't really msc?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
Those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor!
I don't think you understand how the human mind works...
People will have to read your name five times more than mine to remember it just as much.
Regardless of the thought behind it, it comes off as random lower case letters followed by random numbers.
People remember my name the first time after reading it.
Try again.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
You lecturing on how the human mind works?
That’s rich…
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
People would remember if your name was "Hitler_was_innocent"
So…not always a good thing
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Because Hitler was not innocent....
- ______ -
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
Why does that matter in a user name?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Because the usernames usually represent the person?
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
Because a username like that one would imply,
Seemingly, that the Germans were innocent of the Holocaust. Having been to places like Auschwitz, I can say the Germans were very guilty back then of the genocide.
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State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty week implication...
It would be a shocking user name. I would judge the person based on the posts.
Although, I’m not Jewish so I’m not particularly sensitive to that issue.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
Well neither your posts nor your username is helping you sir
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
by netsareboss on Feb 3, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lance Armstrong was just dropped of all charges today...
The man is a God
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
"I'm not Jewish, so I really don't care about the Holocaust..."
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not exactly...
Larry David and a slew of other Jewish comedians fish out material from the holocaust for their standup. They don’t view it as too hot of an issue although I know some Jewish people do. That’s all I was saying.
I love how I’m all of a sudden an antisemite because we disagree on a playoff system. I’m dealing with a real educated group of people here aren’t I?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 4, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe your words are implicating you
Although, I’m not Jewish so I’m not particularly sensitive to that issue.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
You got me...
I’m not sensitive to the Jewish plight during WWII, relatively speaking..
How did you know?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
I guess if 6 million cyclists were
separated from their families, starved, experimented on, tortured, and systematically murdered he might gain a level of sensitivity. But since their just Jews….meh, could care less.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
You don't have to be Jewish
To find the Holocaust a sensitive issue.
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State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 6, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
But I guess you do need more maturity than what this 16 year old has.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
The NFL's record in deciding the best team has a spotty record.
This is not possible, IMO. It’s decided on the field. The NFL actually has no record in the decision, the teams battle and decide it on the scoreboard.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
It's the college system that's broke
The current NFL playoff system is perfect by example of its immense popularity across America. The NFL playoff system shouldn’t be changed. The Packers lost fair and square in a game they should’ve won. If you want complaints about a post-season, you can move yourself along to the college football SBN Sites.
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Jan 29, 2012 4:53 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
What?
What is this?
The NFL is popular because of its playoff system? I didn’t know Justin Beiber, Nickelback, and the Black Eyes Peas have a playoff system as well. Oh wait, they don’t. They’re popular because most Americans don’t demand anything better.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Its popular because its been worked on and improved on over many decades. Its better because its FAR FAAAAR superior to some committee grabbing two teams that they think are best. The BCS system is anticlimactic and boring.
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So you choose luck over rational thought?
I don’t.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
No...
We prefer teams that prove themselved during the regular season to earn a playoff spot, and then play well for weeks on end to earn a SB berth!
There is no luck in the giants this year and the Packers last year winning enough game to get into the playoffs and then go on to play their best ball of the season to win a SB.
I supported the LSU/Alabama game, but hell Alabama didn’t even win their division of their conference. What did they do to earn the right to play in the BCS Champ game?
Our Biggest Challenge is how we deal w/ Success!
Comparing musicians to sporting events is just not a good analogy.
It’s like comparing apples and oranges. Those two situations aren’t even remotely comparable.
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State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Sigh...
Go Google what the word context means.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
LOL...
Is all I can say about this post!
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 29, 2012 4:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Points?
So like 3 points for win, 1 point for tie, and 0 for loss? Soccer style.
This sounds like sour grapes
Give the Giants their due for playing like beasts. They deserve to be in the Super Bowl.
Happy Virginian, Sconnie for life.
by wibrownguy on Jan 29, 2012 6:08 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
He's not a Packer fan
He just thought that we would agree with his opinion given our situation being the #1 seed. I think it’s mostly surprising as we recently witnessed perhaps the most boring and embarrasing College BCS Championship Game in history too!
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Jan 29, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Playoffs
is when you gotta play your best football. We didn’t, so we’re out. They did, so that’s why they’re still in. Comparing the NFL to the B©S is absurd. The notion of a ‘best’ team as defined by any one game is nebulous as on any given day any ‘good’ NFL team can lose to another ‘bad’ one (SEE: NE vs. Buf, Bal vs Jax, NYG vs. StL, GB vs. KC, etc.). It’s about sustained success, in the games where it counts.
Remember:
At the end of the day the NFL playoffs are about crowning the NFL champion.
At the end of the day the BCS is about lining a bunch of corporate fat cats’ pockets.
by PackerFanInTN on Jan 29, 2012 7:30 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
There is too much luck involved in the NFL to decide everything on one game...
Offenses frequently only have 10 possessions per game. There are always a handful of fluky plays that decide the fate of any one game. I’d rather focus on how a team does for an entire season rather that one play, series, half, or game.
This is especially true considering the NFL only plays 16 regular season games.
My way, you would get the best football teams playing each other all the time.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
Name me some games in the playoffs that were only decided by one flukey play. There is so much that goes into a game that one play can NEVER be the reason for a team not making it. Poor play for a whole game can make a better team lose to a worse one though.
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lol
Did you happen to watch either of the conference championships games? Did you make it to the final play in either game?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
They have to Win MULTIPLE games to reach the SB!
You can’t luck your way to a SB! Are you freaking kidding me?!!
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by Strohman on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Did you watch the REST of the game or just the last play? You had to get to that point first my friend.
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by TrevorR on Feb 1, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Only way to normalize those situations...
is to play best-of series. I don’t think football teams want to play best-of-3 or best-of-5 series.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 31, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
EXACTLY
You can’t do a best of 7 so you have to look at a teams entire portfolio. Not merely their last few games.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you understood my point...
The point was simply that you would need more playoff games to normalize and control for mistakes.
Even then, your suggestion of the last few games doesn’t hold water. You still have to win the games early in the season to even have a chance. Each win builds upon another.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 31, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Hilarious
“At the end of the day the NFL playoffs are about crowning the NFL champion.”
You have no idea how big a bussiness the NFL really is. It makes the BCS look small scale.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
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by b3nihana on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
So, wait..... ya want the NFL to go hockey style? 2 points for a win, 0 for a loss, 1 for OT loss?
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by P-Townfan on Jan 30, 2012 9:55 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Neither system is "better." Both are appropriate for their own situation
It’s good that the college system rewards achievement over the whole season, since it’s about amateur (in a good sense) competition. They’re kids who are there (this is the idea anyway) to learn life lessons. (This, btw, is the ONLY excuse to connect sports to what are supposed to be institutions of higher learning.)
But, in the NFL, it’s about who can perform when the pressure’s on. The Packers didn’t do that this year. To say that we deserved to lose misses the point. We DID lose. It doesn’t matter how or why. …nor should it matter. Professionals don’t (and shouldn’t) get points for effort or talent.
So…
In college, how you play the game is important, and how good you are (i.e. how well a particular team has exemplified success in their total performance) matters. In the pros, however, all that matters is what the scoreboard says when the clock gets to double zeros. Players and teams either got the job done or they didn’t. Nothing else is important.
And we can see that both systems are right in that they give the correct results. When college teams lose, then it’s time to talk about what happened, and who can say what it all means. But when pro teams lose, they just go home to deal with an empty, barren sense of loss and the label of “failure.”
Except
The two teams that should make the BCS Championship are ALWAYS debatable. Thus being why the BCS system is fraud. Some teams simply never had a chance. This is exactly why the playoff is required.
One game at a time...
Tell me the last "debatable" Championship matchup...
You can’t because there are none.
If anything you’re going to go back in time and pick out some undefeated team that played a cake schedule.
This year we had LSU take on Bama. The NFL NEVER produces such a matchup.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
LOL
You have GOT to be joking now. 2011 is the first year there really wasn’t a debate. See now you just destroyed any credibility you had with this group.
The NFL never produces such a matchup? The NFL consistantly produces better matchups of teams that are playing their best football at the time of the game…that is why the championship game is competitive with great, hot teams playing each other.
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Just imagine if there was a playoff...
Hypothetically, LSU and Bama get knocked off by the likes of a Clemson or West Virginia…
I think the playoff systems rewards far more than just having a “we picked you! now go play” style.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 31, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
The Buffalo Bills...
Won 5 of their first 6 games. They won four straight.
I guess you suppose they belong in the Super Bowl? Sorry but a bad team is going to show itself over time. ANY TEAM can get on a hot streak for 3 weeks.
You look at how a team plays for 3 weeks. I’ll look at how a team plays for 16.
I’ll pick the better team.
Also, once again you can not pick a controversial matchup in the BCS.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Shush, you.
You’ve already established yourself as a troll, stop lurking.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
LOL…and it did and they didn’t make it to the playoffs now did they. What is your point?
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Follow the discussion trail...
…the point, will reveal itself.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
I’ve followed your so-called “trail”. It’s lead to nothing but brick wall dead ends. It’s a maze that never ends. And you’re the only one who seems to think it’s going anywhere. The best part about it? Even YOU get lost in all your nonsense.
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by TXPackerBacker on Feb 4, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Dude your Buffalo argument falls apart. You are trying to take a single stretch of games and imply that team being hot during a stretch shouldn’t matter. But its a poor argument. It falls apart because you have to be a very good or better team just to get to the point where it matters if your team is hot. You just ignore this point over and over because it completely debunks your point.
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How so?
Can you imagine what the NBA, NHL, and MLB postseason would look like if things were decided after the first 16 games? You’re not getting the best teams into the playoffs and the best teams aren’t reaching the super bowl at a high enough rate.
Try and catch up son.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Is this really a serious argument?
I mean it…please answer.
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Post Season
If anything you’re going to go back in time and pick out some undefeated team that played a cake schedule.
I’m not a Boise State fan, nor do I even think they were the best team a few years ago. HOWEVER, I still cannot prove that they weren’t the best team. They did go undefeated, they did beat Oklahoma in a BCS Bowl Game, and they did prove that the system is fraud. Yeah, they had a cupcake schedule, but it goes to prove that if some team has a slightly easier schedule than others, then they have NO CHANCE of reaching the Super Bowl. So why play the game??? That’s why there’s a playoff. We find the TRUE champion. Not only that, but we get to watch an exciting game between two hot teams. It’s called the Post Season for a reason. Post means after, in case you didn’t know. So what happened in the Regular Season is irrelevant at this point. You play to win in the Regular Season to get yourself in the best situation in the Post Season. You simply proved why every single person other than yourself in this fanpost is correct by mentioning the words “undefeated team” and relating it to not making the Championship Game. The Championship should not be played by teams that in my opinion are the best teams, because everyone has a different opinion. That’s exactly why a playoff is necessary.
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Feb 1, 2012 2:56 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He’ll never respond to this because it totally debunks his point.
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by TrevorR on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Um Colts vs Saints a few years ago the two number 1 seeds
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 4, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
See, I would say “so what?” if the champion is debatable. In college, it’s not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. And if that gets college football fans frustrated, well… My response would be “Maybe y’all should take a pill and remember that it’s a game.”
It’s like how… In Indiana, they stopped having just one highschool state basketball champion. (…meaning that “Hoosiers” could never happen today). And one of the reasons they did that was to take the pressure off the kids. It was just too much. Losing a championship game was just crushing the kids. …like, for life. You know, in a rare moment of clarity (rare when it comes to sports in our country), everybody stepped back and said to themselves “Y’know, this is high school basketball we’re talking about here. Let’s dial it back a notch.”
Similarly, when it comes to college sports, the whole thing started out as sports clubs organized by students for playing games in their spare time. Then they started playing other colleges. Then the alumni started caring about who won the games. yadda yadda yadda Now we’ve got 100,000 people in attendence with millions more watching around the world. It’s a multi-billion dollar a year industry. …and, y’know… Fuckin’ A. They’re just kids. They’re 19 year-old kids. They don’t get paid. They’re supposed to be in college. If it’s a good experience for them, if they get a scholarship, if people like watching it… Then that’s all great. But let’s not put the fate of the world on their shoulders. Who cares about definitively crowning “the best”?
….the answer, unfortunately, is “a lot of people.” But, in my opinion, everyone just needs to take a deep breath and Let. It. Go.
by Curly Lambeau on Jan 31, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
First sentence nailed it for me.
Thank you.
You are all indoctrinated to worship the NFL the way it is.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Well, no shit. They didn't call it a "re-education" camp for nothing.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Well, LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG, I wasn’t talking to you. You misunderstood me if you think I agree with you.
In fact, I think your suggestion (in this post) is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. The college system does not really settle the question of who the best team is. For college, that’s okay. For the NFL, it would be not okay. It would completely ruin the sport.
by Curly Lambeau on Jan 31, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I meant...
…you nailed it, as in your post highlights what kind of thinker this thread consists of. I used it as evidence against you.
You nailed it for me
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
huh?
So you’re saying I “worship the NFL the way it is” because I argued that each system is appropriate for its own situation?
…um, okay then.
I will say that the one thing that would make me stop watching the NFL is if they took your suggestion and adopted the college system. There’s not much that would make me stop watching the NFL, but that would do it.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 1, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I agree! That would completely ruin the excitement of the game. Man could you imagine if there was just one game after the season and they just had the “best” team from each conference play of if they had a bunch of other meaningless “bowl” games. I’d end up watching the NFL as much as I watch the NCAA games…and they wouldn’t like that.
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by TrevorR on Feb 2, 2012 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This topic isn't suppose to appeal to your type.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
you mean the type that enjoys competition and logic?
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by TrevorR on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Logic be damned! Here's a distraction.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Will just leave this...
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 30, 2012 2:04 PM CST reply actions
Lol
I wasn’t even a member yet when that was posted, but it’s good for one quality “lol”
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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Lol!
So this is where the whole " Mikw McMoron" thing came from! Even though I was registered, I was still mainly a lurker and never even saw this. So just let me say, thank you!
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by RaY210 on Jan 30, 2012 9:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude there is more.
So many more useless and funny posts. Maybe I should see if I can archive some of the APC memes we use.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Jan 30, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
That would be awesome!
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by RaY210 on Jan 31, 2012 12:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do you think a team with a 13-3 record should have too go to an 8-8 team because they won their crappy division.
Is’nt that why you play for all season so you can have home field advantage, just saying.
What do you all think of that.
The reason the 13-3 team has to
go to an 8-8 team that won their crappy division,
is because they couldn’t take care of their own business and win their own division.
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by NorthStarr on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly...
I don’t think theres a perfect system. But this is as good as any out there
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by RaY210 on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
if you win your division, you should get a home playoff game
if you don’t win your division, you didn’t earn a home playoff game.
The playoff system is perfect as it is right now.
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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 31, 2012 8:07 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
God I love that show.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Jan 31, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't it be both?
"This is a football." "Slow down, coach! You're goin' too fast!"
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by Clutch16 on Feb 2, 2012 3:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Be a dark night.
Text, lower right corner:
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but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
Those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor!
by NorthStarr on Feb 3, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Text, lower right corner:
Want to grow?
Chocolate milk has all the nutriants
of regular milk, so drink up.
got milk?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
Those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor!
This one cracks me up every time...
Because I imagine Kevin Conroy as Batman, screaming, “I LIEK CHOCOLATE MILK!!”
It's also important to notice how much more attention the BCS recieves over any other sport...
…and I mean that in a good way.
Every sports site has their own version of power rankings because it drums up interest for every team. If you’re last one week and bump up two positions, it’s a big win.
No other sport allows such fan involvement.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 PM CST reply actions
NCAA Basketball has the same ranking, but it doesn't involve the BCS
The ranking is popular. Nobody can question that. We are talking about the BCS Championship though, not the Regular Season Rankings…
One game at a time...
This whole thread is dumb.
It’s like saying the Pro-Bowl is actually relevant. The Seahawks beat the Saints last year, and they had a losing record. If the Saints were better than there is no reason they should have lost. They came out flat and lost. If you get into the play-offs and can win than you deserve to be there, simple as that.
How does someone like you actually exist?
I don’t mean to come off as flippant but your brain actually connected the BCS system to the Pro Bowl. How do you know when to eat? This baffles me. If you’re going to make an argument try and stay in this galaxy.
If the Saints were better they would prove their superiority over a long period of time. A game in which your offense has 10 possessions and a couple a fluke games is not long enough to decide a better team.
Case in point, Miracle on Ice. If Russia got to play us 10 more times they would have won 10 more times. They were clearly the better team.
How do you people not understand this?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
How can you not understand that he wasn't connecting the Pro Bowl and the BCS.
He was using the Pro Bowl being relevant as an absurdity. Then he stated that if your post makes sense, then the Pro Bowl is relevant. How can YOU not understand this? I mean, I’m pretty sure that a 9 year old could comprehend what he was getting at.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Jan 31, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Really?
He typed, and I quote…
“It’s like saying the Pro-Bowl is actually relevant.”
That’s all he wrote. I’m sure you know just as much about what he meant as I did. We both had the same information to go off of. However, that quote above is simply wrong. Challenging accepted notions about what best decides a champion is nothing like saying the Pro Bowl is relevant. It’s not like that at all.
What this really comes down to is this…I came here to stir the pot with regards to what fans blindly accept. I could be right. I could be wrong. I think I have proven that it’s worth thinking about though.
Many of you accept the fact that the NBA decides it’s champion in a 7 game series. You’ve accepted the group run of the PGA Tour. You’ve accepted the bracket structure of the four majors in tennis. Accepting things just because you’re a fan doesn’t make you right. It makes you sheep.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Here, I even used the "Learner's Dictionary" on Merriam-Webster.com
sar·casm Listen to audio/ˈsɑɚˌkæzəm/ noun
[noncount] : the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
You should probably just go away now.
You’re kinda too stupid to be here.
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by Tepo6688 on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Dude
Your acting like a jerk I dont normally post but it seems as though you are purposely trying to make people mad by the comments your making.
by cookster15 on Jan 31, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I apologize if I am coming across that way.
I do not mean to offend you or anyone else for that matter. Thank you for bringing this to my attention though.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
You asked somebody how they could actually exist and then asked how they even know when to eat. You weren’t meaning to offend stratefaced when you said that?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
By the way, your point is getting more and more skewed. First it was: The NFL should adopt a BCS system. Now it sounds like you want a system like MLB with multiple games. Your point here actually speaks against both the NFL and BCS.
How can you not understand this?
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I don't think logic is the point he's trying to get across here...
by mike_o on Feb 1, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
...........
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 1, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
heheh
Where do you guys find these pictures?
That’s… frickin’ perfect.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 1, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
When did I suggest an MLB type system?
…waiting for your response…
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
When you started talking about wanting to see teams play multiple games instead of one.
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Sarcasm my friend...
I’ll try to lay it on thicker next time.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 4, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
The shit you've said so far makes detecting sarcasm very difficult.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
LOL sorry man it wasn’t sarcasm…or you don’t know what sarcasm is. Maybe they haven’t taught that in your sophomore English classes yet.
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Nice age related dig...
Your mother must be so proud.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't connect the BCS to the Pro Bowl.
He made a simile. You’ll probably learn about those in High School.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
…although I actually watched more of the Pro Bowl this year than I did the BCS game! LOL
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by TrevorR on Feb 3, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Me too LOL
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
There is nothing wrong with the upcoming Super Bowl match up.
I think that is a major flaw in what you are trotting out as rational thought.
The Giants did not get lucky to be where they are. Instead, I would argue that they got unlucky during the regular season to end up with a record that makes them look worse than they really are. They are probably the most balanced team in the league in terms of the talent and performance on both sides of the ball. They are not the best at anything in particular, but they are good to very good across the board. Teams don’t luck into beating three quality teams on the road. Every win might not be decisive, but when a team runs the gauntlet of three playoff road wins, I think in every case you can conclude that they earned it.
All the teams you listed as being possibly better than the Giants have significant flaws. Those flaws got exposed in the playoffs. I have no problem concluding that the two best teams in the NFL are about the play for the championship. May the best team win — and it just might be the Giants.
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So the Giants were lucky for 16 games and the real team showed themselves for 4 games?
Sorry. Not buying it.
Those teams weren’t “exposed” in the playoffs. They played tough games that came down to one or two pivitol/lucky plays.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure if you saw our divisional game...
Pretty sure we were exposed (TWSS) and I don’t think two plays would’ve changed what happened
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by RaY210 on Jan 31, 2012 4:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So you were "exposed"...
by a 9 – 7 football team with the 27th ranked defense. You honestly believe that a defense with that kind of talent can just “turn it on” against the Packers? What kind of fantasy world to you live in? There are so many variables in a single NFL play. The Giants got lucky. That’s it.
So week 13 was a “fluke” and the playoffs was a true test of team? Pick one people!
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Giants were also battling injuries all season, much like the Packers did last season. So because that team had an unfortunate adversity to overcome, they shouldn’t be allowed to contend for the Championship? They got healthy and hot at the right time. They played and won the game fair and square. You cannot make a case for the Packers to be in the Super Bowl when they failed to beat Giants in the playoffs. The playoffs are all ABOUT the best teams in the conference PROVING they belong in the Championship Game. Yeah, we had a better Regular Season than the Giants. So what? The NFL and most other sports are all about what happens in the Regular Season AND Post Season.
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Feb 1, 2012 3:09 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is just it...
You have accepted what the NFL has sold you all these years.
The NFL says that the playoffs are THE place where only the truly competitive survive. It’s this mentality that sells tickets rather than decides a true champion.
If you want to “prove” you belong in the Championship Game then do it all year. Don’t be a meddling team who squeeks into the playoffs and gets lucky for a few weeks.
There are teams who go 10 – 6 and don’t make it to the playoffs. The Giants go one game above .500 in a 16 game season and you automatically think they’re the best? lol
The giants won 3 straight games in the playoffs. Considering the level of intensity is exactly the same during the regular season I’d say “lucky” is exactly what they are.
I know I’m not going to change your opinion because your sheep who have been indoctrinated over the course of your adolescent life. However, someone will read this thread and think twice about what is presented to them. It just wont be you.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to "prove" you belong in the Championship Game then do it all year. Don’t be a meddling team who squeeks into the playoffs and gets lucky for a few weeks.
You repeatedly are failing to grasp the fact that a team almost always has to have at least 9 wins to make the playoffs. You keep saying a team can just get lucky for a few weeks and make it but that’s totally false. The Giants had to have gotten lucky 6 other weeks too.
However, someone will read this thread and think twice about what is presented to them. It just wont be you.
How many people have been in agreement with you in this thread? You call of us sheep and imply that we just agree with whatever is presented too us. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the reason the majority of people DO accept the NFL’s playoff system is because, oh I don’t know, it makes sense!?
Why would anybody think twice about your “idea”? One football system already uses it. This isn’t some new, thought inspiring idea that no one has ever thought of before.
It’s pretty much the exact opposite, and is one that has been heavily scrutinized for years now! So much so that our freakin’ president has mentioned its flawed approach! And one that appears to be hopefully coming to an end soon, and rightfully so.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 1, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Sigh...
You just brought up a series of topics I have already addressed. I suggest you read some of the thread before tying to add your two sense. If the Giants beat the Patriots this Sunday, this is what you’ll have…
The Green Bay Packers won 15 max intensity NFL games this year.
The New England Patriots won 15 max intensity NFL games this year.
The San Francisco 49ers won 14 max intesity NFL games this year.
The NEW YORK GIANTS will have won 13 max intesity NFL games this year.
The NFL (and the BCS actually) is so great because there is no difference between regular season and postseason. Players play as if each game matter because, each game matters.
I think the main goal of crowning a champion is having the most deserving team actually wear it. Looking at the above list, I don’t think there’s a sane person on the planet who actually thinks the Giants are the most deserving champion.
I also raise question to your idea that because the majority of people accept it, it must be right. Look at what the masses watch on TV (Two and a Half Men). Look at what the masses read (David Patterson). Look at what the masses listen to (Nickelback). I know this is going to sound arrogant but, the masses are dumb. They aren’t concerned with the truest way to do things. They are concerned with appeasing their mind. The NFL playoffs, as they currently are, are simply a way for dumb people to watch two teams play football for 12 minutes, yes that’s right, 12 minutes, determine a winner and loser and move on.
As years move on, people who think on a slightly more advanced level will recognize the Packers as the best team during the 2011/2012 years. Dumb people will remember who won Super Bowl.
Super.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 1, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hell yeah the Giants deserve it. They took on three of best 6 teams in the NFC, head to head, and beat them. That IS the NFL. Who can come into a game, create the best strategy and execute it better than everyone else.
The thing you miss is that the teams in the BCS play shit teams for like half of their games to stack their record and make them look special. In fact outside of like 3-4 games the great teams in the NCAA aren’t even challenged so I don’t know about this whole max intensity BS you are spewing but I don’t see max intensity happening in your BCS despite all the nonsense you are talking about.
The fact that you somehow think you are some superior thinker due to the fact that you think a broken, worthless system of pitting two teams that some computer deems best is beyond me. There is no sense or logic that will ever allow it to make sense because it doesn’t exist. Everyone I talk to hates the BCS system….maybe its time for you to figure out that maybe its YOUR system that is bad.
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by TrevorR on Feb 2, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I didn’t say that because the majority accepted it, it must be right. I just threw it out there that the majority of people do accept it. I honestly think you’re the only person I’ve EVER heard say that the NFL should adopt this sort of system – no joke. Maybe everybody out there is dumb, or maybe they just realize that the playoff system the NFL uses is about as close to fair as it gets.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
And to think,
upthread you were wondering what made you an asshole.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 1, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This is from a Lions fan
What your saying has a few huge flaws. Let me break them down.
“If you want to "prove" you belong in the Championship Game then do it all year. Don’t be a meddling team who squeeks into the playoffs and gets lucky for a few weeks.”
First there is no such thing as a meddling team squeaking into the playoffs if your there you deserve to be there, because you earned it in the regular season. Second hitting is the ultimate equalizer you don’t get lucky you capitalize on your opponents mistakes.
“There are teams who go 10 – 6 and don’t make it to the playoffs. The Giants go one game above .500 in a 16 game season and you automatically think they’re the best? lol”
Lol is right because no one said they were the best because they got in they are the best because they beat three playoff teams on the road. Second your system would allow teams like the falcons last year to be in the super bowl. They (just like the bucs) fattened their record against very weak teams and the NFC West. They were exposed in the playoffs and proved they didn’t belong in the biggest game.
“The giants won 3 straight games in the playoffs. Considering the level of intensity is exactly the same during the regular season I’d say "lucky" is exactly what they are.”
How can you possibly say that the level of intensity is no different in the playoffs? Ask any player who has ever played the game and they will tell you that it is on a whole other level. The intensity has no choice but to go up because now its elimination football instead of looking forward to next weeks game. So for the Giants to win three games in that intensity they deserve to be int he super bowl.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
by Redwolf333 on Feb 2, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It's not about who's the best.
It’s who plays the best in the playoffs. That’s what everyone here has been trying to explain.
Author at Acme Packing Company, SB Nation's Green Bay Packers blog.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
So....
Using your logic we should have crowned a champion after week 4.
The first part of the season has teams at their healthiest.
I guess your Super Bowl would have been the Buffalo Bills vs the Detroit Lions.
Go back to school
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
When the heck did I ever say that?
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Feb 1, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
...
Author at Acme Packing Company, SB Nation's Green Bay Packers blog.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 5, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
There is plenty wrong with the upcoming Super Bowl match up/
but the ideas put forward here are idiotic beyond belief.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I can assure you, Spock would agree with me.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions
Even Spock would lose control and laugh at your idiotic ramblings.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Only because of a cultural difference.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Did anyone else watch the NFC championship game?
The teams played pretty equally. One team coughed the ball up two times.
The 49ers showed time and time again this season that they were good at taking care of the football. It’s too bad a couple of lucky plays ended their run.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 3:24 PM CST reply actions
Too bad, so sad.
Hang onto the ball next time. It’s playoff football, baby!
by Curly Lambeau on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Do you listen to Nickelback and shock jock radio?
I’m betting you do because you seem to buy whatever it is these giant corporations sell you.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
Do you listen to Modest Mouse and indie-alternative radio?
I’m betting you do because you’re so fucking edgy and free-thinking, bro.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 31, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
It's funny...
…how we have pigeonholed each other into two ends of the spectrum.
You labeled me as a snobby intellectual type.
I have labeled you as a bafoon redneck type.
I wonder which end of the spectrum is more respectable?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
No I replied in turn,
almost as if to say you’re an idiot for using that type of attack in the first place, and really, even if you were right, what difference does it have with regard to the validity of what he said?
2011: A wasted year
And to answer your question,
it’s probably the redneck. But don’t worry, after reading your fanpost, nobody would ever confuse you with an intellectual.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
already happened my friend...
…already happened
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Nonononono
Everyone here knows you’re a pseudointellectual who has a tube running from his ass to his nose because he thinks his shit smells like lavender. Bad news, buddy. Your shit smells stunningly like shit.
2011: A wasted year
Who would view the redneck ideal as superior?
lol
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
That reply took 3 days to come up with?
Most people would prefer talking to a redneck over a “snobby intellectual” because the redneck would at least be able to admit when he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and more often than not, will accept that other people can be right. Pseudo-intellectuals like you, however, are some of the most nauseating people to have a conversation with, and you’ve proven all too well why.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 3, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No.
This thread is approaching 500 responses. I’ve only focused on the lower parts for the past few days. Am I surprised this scenario didn’t cross your mind? I’m not telling ; )
The redneck would be able to admit he didn’t know what he was talking about? Yea, rednecks sure are open minded people…
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Response of the Week?
You’re welcome. Rec away people.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
You honestly believe that post is going to get you a lot of recs?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
This makes about as much sense as you
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 5, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
You most certainly are a prick...
…but this was awesome.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Feb 3, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
That describes all rednecks,and especially anyone that disagrees with you. You’re not even trolling very well anymore. You should probably just give up.
2011: A wasted year
Do you listen to Rebecca Black and Slayer, bro?
Fucking 666 and slay shit, motherfucker.
15-1 [One and done... *SIGH*]
Back on track to Super Bowl XLVII!
MattFlynn4StartingQB
Only on Fridays!
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Do you currently or have you ever listened to Nickelback?
Mr. Chairman, I wish to defend my reputation by denying in the strongest possible terms that I have ever intentionally listened to or enjoyed Nickelback. I am willing to “name names” of those who have if it is deemed necessary for me to clear my repuation of this charge.
…and it’s funny that you should bring up shock jock radio. People who throw out ridiculous and offensive ideas simply to shake people up in order to provoke a reaction… Hmm, now who does that sound like?
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 1, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I know what'll satisfy this guy...
Keep the playoff system, but make it best of 7. With back to backs for the first four games!
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
by RaY210 on Jan 31, 2012 7:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I was thinking...
…it would be best to copy the PGA Tour system for the NFL.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Um... there is a point system in the playoffs.
you score more points than your opponent and you win. how can you even compare the stupidity of the bcs and a playoff system? that’s like saying something like c4 is better than toothpaste for making your teeth shiny and bright.
nothing needs to be changed in the nfl playoffs besides the refereeing, which wouldn’t have helped us play better this year. accept it we played like the french in world war 2… caught with our pants around our asses, completely flat footed. you want to get the packers in the playoffs, teach them how to hold onto the damn ball, tackle the QB and play better against wr’s.
Need I disprove everyone's comments?
According to the current NFL system, team B can beat team A by a last second field goal and win by 1 point. The next week, team C can beat team A by 43 points and play their reserves for the fourth quarter. According to the NFL both team B and team C should receive equal recognition for the two games.
What a joke.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe team C
just matches up better with team A than team B does. But hey a win is a win.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Sure why not. There are a lot of factors that go into games: matchups, location, weather, momentum, injuries, etc. That is the problem with your system, you want a computer to look at stats and numbers and determine the best. We want the PLAYERS and COACHES to determine the best on the field.
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you're a moron.
so a 1 point basketball win isn’t counted the same as a 40 point blowout?
by Nels Winkler on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
The only difference...
There are 82 regular season NBA games.
There are only 16 regular season NFL games.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
If I never see anyone ever wearing those fucking yellow bracelets again, I would die a happy man.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 1, 2012 2:03 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
March Madness needs to be fixed too, you guys
I mean, a single-game elimination tourney in which the top teams go all out to advance? AMERICA DEMANDS BETTER.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Success.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 1, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Totally. We need to eliminate the NCAA tournament. Heck, the top two teams should just play one game. The fact that everyone gets so into that too just proves that its just like Nickelback right? Everytime something is popular its just because we are too stupid to realize that it sucks.
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I like this ^ comment
Unfortunately, that means it’s like Nickelback.
damn you, Nickelback!!!
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
There is nothing in the world worse
than Nickelback.
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 2, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Basketball...
…provides many more opportunities for the better team to succeed in a given game.
College basketball provides teams with about 75 possessions per game.
College football provides teams with about 11 possessions per game.
I’m surprised you didn’t see this.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
You're right
Let’s have a 35 second clock for possessions in the NFL. It works so well in college, let’s incorporate this into the NFL.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
You, my friend, are not as smart as me.
Although, it behooves you to know that intelligence is vastly overrated when determining life success. I’m sure you have plenty of other strengths as a person.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
How exactly do you figure you are smarter than me?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Do you have any proof of any sort?
All evidence is pointed against you.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Does it make you sad that no one comes to your defense? Must be lonely in the world of the idiotic.
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by TrevorR on Feb 5, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ahhh to be sixteen again...
I remember when I knew everything
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 5, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
seriously, I remember how smart I thought I was…man if only I knew then how little I knew.
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it's not what you don't know
it’s what you don’t know you don’t know.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Thank you for your insight LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG.
"Obi Braun Kenobi you're our only hope!"
by ObiBraunKenobi on Feb 1, 2012 12:06 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I just want to take this time and point out the travesty that happened in Egypt yesterday.
Sports should be used to bring us together and ONLY divide us when it’s fun for both parties. After reading some of the personal attacks in this thread I can understand that the type of people who instigated those riots are in many of you. Please, take the time to realize that our time on this planet is short and the machine that is sports is not really that important when all is said and done. Thanks for giving me a minute of your time and God Bless all of you.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 5:46 PM CST reply actions
Any parallel to soccer you want to draw is immediately invalid.
Go back to discussing “sports” like cycling.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Wow
What an utter lack of maturity.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome to Trollville
Population: You
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 1, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
This guy sounds like McDonkey from BBV
He tries making himself out to be all humble and thoughtful when all he does is troll.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 3, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, you're the one who insinuated that some of us are Nickelback fans.
That’s just low, man.
"This is a football." "Slow down, coach! You're goin' too fast!"
bwah hahaha…nice attempt to defer. You brought this on yourself. Cry all you want but you could have just let the thread happen and not continue to argue and bicker. You had plenty of personal attacks calling us idiots, sheep, etc. Lets not try to play some holier than thou role…cause that would be pretty pathetic.
And while we are on it…the thing inside of people that makes them make personal comments about someone on a internet blog isnt’ the same thing that makes someone shoot someone else.
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by TrevorR on Feb 2, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Take a look
I never attack anyone unless provoked. This thread proves it.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
k
Here’s Curly saying that the niners could have advance if they didn’t fumble the ball, but since they did, they didn’t deserve to move on.
Too bad, so sad.
Hang onto the ball next time. It’s playoff football, baby!
by Curly Lambeau on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
And your response, calling him a mindless drone.
Do you listen to Nickelback and shock jock radio?
I’m betting you do because you seem to buy whatever it is these giant corporations sell you.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
2011: A wasted year
For the "free thinkers"...
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Tepo... did LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG just do that?
Did he seriously just prove my point that he’s a troll, by pointing out that he made a similar article on an NHL blog?
Focus on the points rather than the response
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
The response is just as important, if not more important.
And as for the points, they’re probably more ludicrous than the ones you made here, I just say for sure since they’re both so amazingly wrong.
2011: A wasted year
The response is just as important, if not more important.
Yet another another thing that Lance continues to fail to grasp. If his ideas were as brilliant as he seems to think they are, then he’d probably have at least a few people agree with them. Or maybe he just really does think he’s that much more brilliant and intellectual than all the rest of us.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
That's absolutely ridiculous to think that there are only 6 meaningful plays in a 4-2 hockey game
I guess all the saves on shots on goals are meaningless.
Go away, you’ve clearly demonstrated that you are an idiot who has the slightest grasp of reality at hand.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Haven't watched a hockey game have we?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about you, but I certainly have.
Your comments certainly suggest you haven’t.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
According to that post you linked to, you've watched 10,
and now you’re knowledgeable enough to “fix” the sport.
Get over yourself.
2011: A wasted year
Wow.
That you would bring up what killed 70 people in Egypt in a lame attempt to make us feel bad for the argument that you started by posting your dumb idea is…
Wow.
Get a grip, dude.
Now, I think you’re serious, and I know how it feels when everyone’s against you. You’re right that it’s the same interior angst that causes all interpersonal troubles in the world, whether in the small or large scale. But don’t say we’re like murderers. That’s just silly. Road rage may have the same anthropological source as the holocaust, but that doesn’t make them the same thing. What’s going on here is that you’re stridently defending a dumb idea and we’re calling you dumb for doing so. That’s all this is.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
haha, yeah, I guess so.
Wait…
That means I AM like Hitler.
…woah. That’s heavy, dude. Now, if you’ll all excuse me, I think I need to go have an existential crisis.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GEBzm17Gfo
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Put this in the background on a different tab when reading this thread for greater enjoyment.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
As far as sports go, this is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in my entire life.
by JellyPhantom on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I liked you better as Revenge4Favre anyways
by Glenn'sYank13 on Feb 1, 2012 8:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
naw
using his logic he’d never even get in the same game with R4F. Lance is more like the Buffalo Bills, he’s got to do it a lot longer and then get into the favor of the great machine to get named one of the best two trolls before he can play in that game.
That said, in the NFL system he’s got a shot, he’ll probably play R4F in the first game and if he can beat him, I think he’s got a shot.
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Something tells me...
that Lance Armstrong isn’t happy about how you are using his name.
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by TrevorR on Feb 2, 2012 7:47 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
LMAO
Rec’d!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
Those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor!
Here's what people are missing...
I’m looking for someone to “make the jump” and it seems like no one has that ability.
Personally, I love the NBA. It’s by far my favorite sport to watch. Now I understand when an “outsider” comes in to start bashing it, my initial reaction is to defend it at all costs. Actually, wait, my initial reaction was to defend it at all costs. However, once I turned 14 I realized that this is what fools do. It’s far better to listen to the outsiders ludicrous comments, seperate your ego from the claims and see if there is any truth to what he/she is saying. I’ll clue you in…There often is.
What I’m trying to get at is that no sport is perfect.
Why is the 16 game schedule the perfect amount of games to determine playoff seeding? Can you imaging the NBA, NHL, and MLB starting its postseason after 16 regular season games?
Why is the 4 week postseason the perfect amound of playoff games?
Why is 12 minutes of play sufficient enough to determine a winner?
You see. You need to ask better questions if you want a better product. Many of you are complacent with this aspect of your life. I wonder how complacent you are with other aspects? Just a thought.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 11:43 AM CST reply actions
Just a couple of opinions from an "outsiders perspective".
You come off like the biggest douche in the world.
Everyone else comes off like mini douche ants crawling all over the giant douche.
This place in bizarre.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Feb 2, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
So, let me see if I have this straight...
The NFL needs to improve their product because its current strangle hold as the overwhelmingly most popular sport in America is not dominating enough? Why are you bothering to convince a bunch of sheep-like fans? You should take this idea straight to Roger Goodell. I’m sure he wants to know about how you plan to make football an even more popular spectator sport.
by Ben T on Feb 2, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is a fan forum...
I think the NFL “needs to change” like I think Creed needed to focus on creating more interesting music during their heyday.
The NFL doesn’t need to change. It’s product appeals to the masses like no other.
There are some people who think “the masses” have poor taste.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, Creed too?
You’re really banging the late 90’s suck-bands.
…or, as a friend dubbed the genre: “Man Pain” groups.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
He's such a non-sheep...
…that he likes Creed & Nickelback, even though everyone else knows they suck.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Wow! That IS non-sheeplike of him!
Much respect.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
lol
I thought of this too…
In fact, couldn’t grunge be considered the true origination of emo?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
So, not only do you not know shit about sports, you don't know shit about music either, huh?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
I'm somewhat able to decipher the filth you are typing
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
The NBA is your favorite league?
16 team make the NBA playoffs. There are only 30 teams in the entire league. That means more than half, and possibly several sub-.500 teams have a chance to win the championship. Go write a post on Brew Hoop or something about how stupid that is, because then you’d at least come close to having a point.
Also, I’m not sure you know how much time there is in a football game. At this point I’m just curious. How the hell did you come up with 12 minutes? You’ve said that twice now, and looked extraordinarily idiotic both times.
2011: A wasted year
Have you ever heard of the search engine called GOOGLE?
It’s common knowledge that there is between 11 – 14 minutes of actual “play” in an NFL game. Most of what you actually watch is people standing around and replays.
Also, try rereading my post. I was the first to admit that the NBA has plenty of problems.
However, it’s fascinating that you highlight the inclusion of 16 teams into it’s playoffs. What does this have to do with getting in the way of finding a true champion? Have you even done the research? Do you know how often seven and eight seeds even make it to the finals? Go GOOGLE it.
Upsets are far less common in the NBA due to the fact that teams get so many possessions during a typical NBA playoff series. The better team almost always goes on.
Also, who can blame the NBA for getting 16 NBA cities involved in the postseason? The 1 vs 8 matchup rarely ends up in a long series or upset and you get that many more people watching basketball.
If you’re going to try and provide a retort try using your head a little bit.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
But dude, don't you get it.
You’re feeding the corporate machine. They have all those extra playoff games that just feed advertising profits, and they know that all of you sheep will just tune in because it’s on. Besides, the fact that the Bobcats could win the championship after winning, like, 80 fewer games than the Bulls just proves the problem. It’s even about whether or not it would happen, it could happen. Then we’d have a champion who, even though they won all the way through the playoffs, and proved themselves to be the best of the 16 teams that got in, we’d have a champion that didn’t deserve it.
What they should do is have an 80 game preseason, just to make sure everyone is playing at their best, then just have 1 regular season game a piece, all against the Washington Generals, and the two teams that have the largest margin of victory would go to a championship game after getting a month off. The once they’re nice and cold again, to make sure there is no competitive advantage, we have have each player on each team shoot 1 free throw each. Whichever team makes more free throws wins the championship. Problem solved.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What has been my primary complaint of the NFL playoff system?
The best teachers ask the right questions.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
You're certainly acting like it.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t doubt it.
I’m also pretty sure that everyone here would snicker into their sleeves and pretend not to know who did it if I made my pen into a spit-ball blow-gun and hit you in the back of your stupid head when you were turned to the chalk-board.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
As long as you know the pecking order...
lol
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
You on the bottom,
the rest of us laughing at you?
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You don't want to be on the bottom, either.
Don’t make us call PPF over.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
I remember the Knicks making it to the NBA Finals as an 8 seed in like 1999.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Oops, should read down further.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Why is the 16 game schedule the perfect amount of games to determine playoff seeding? Can you imaging the NBA, NHL, and MLB starting its postseason after 16 regular season games?
This isn’t rocket science my friend. You can’t compare the NFL to the MLB, NBA, or NHL. None of those sports are nearly as physically demanding as football is. Nearly every play, close to every play is in a collision aside from the QB. If the NFL played 82 games in the regular season, let alone 40, probably over half of the team they started the season with would be hurt. And at that point, it would basically come down to which team could overcome the injury bug the best. I’m sure someone as concerned about finding the “real” best team wouldn’t want it to come down to that, would you?
The time alloted for the playoffs obviously corresponds with the number of teams who make it : 12. That’s 37.5% of the teams in the NFL who make it. In comparison, 53% of the teams make the playoffs in the NHL, 53% make it in the NBA, and 26% make it in the MLB. Just humor me here for a second — do you bitch and moan about the NBA’s champion? Because they almost always allow one or two teams who are either right under or above 500. into the playoffs.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 2, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Another NBA fan?
HIGH-FIVE!
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 2, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I want to try putting this into terms I can understand, or Fun with Analogy!
So, okay. The Olympics are coming up, and I always enjoy watching them – particularly the track and swimming. If what I’m understanding from this philosophy (i.e., post-season games shouldn’t count for determining a champion, as they are redundant; instead, an overall quantifier should be used) is correct, then I’ll have to dispute every single gold medal result. Why should only the finals of the 200m count? Clearly, we should sum the times from all qualifying rounds, and whoever has the lowest total time wins the gold, right? And imagine if Usain Bolt DQs in the second heat (say, a false start). Well, he’s unquestionably the fastest man in the world, so he belongs in the final anyhow – despite his not getting there.
I’m sorry, but I don’t buy this scenario in track (or swimming, for that matter), and I don’t buy it in football.
The idea that “to be the best, you have to beat the best” is not a new phenomenon, nor is it confined to the wide world of sports. Greek warriors didn’t earn κλέος by beating up a series of six-year-olds with slings, they defeated trained professional armies single-handedly. They would, however, still have to be able to beat the six-year-olds. Even when faced with inferior opponents, the best, the most honorable, the strongest – whatever you want to call the supposed champion – still has to win. Otherwise, they aren’t the best. It really is that simple. Has this universal truth allowed a perfect NFL playoff system? I don’t know, but I think it’s as close as we’re going to get.
If you’re going to consider me brainwashed, I’ll thank you not to attribute that to current televised media. Instead, I suggest you find the nearest Sumerian and punch him in the face.
(For the record, I do not consider any NFL opponent to be a bunch of six-year-olds with slings. Except the Bears.)
by osc630 on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
INB4SAMMICH
You’re just a drone, osc. Something about corporations and Nickelback.
2011: A wasted year
Finally!
Someone who can actually use his/her brain!
(you still need work on your user name though)
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Why? Everyone knows her as osc here.
Although I’m thinking of changing my user name to DennisGreen_THEYAREWHOWETHOUGHTTHEYWERE in honor of your user name choice.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Feb 2, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
YOU'RE NAME IS GUD BECUZ I CAN REMMEBER IT!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
What's the point of a message board like this?
It’s to foster community through discussion. Having any significant percentage of the population with usernames like nryy387123 makes reaching that goal that much harder. Try to use your head a little bit OK little guy?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
It's funny that you tell him to use his head...
When you’re the one that gets so confused over usernames having numbers in them. I can converse with msc32887 and osc630 just fine on this forum; what’s your problem?
You know what I'm saying...
You’ve been here much longer than me. Those types of user names are crazy annoying. What’s up with all lower case letters? That annoys the crap out of me.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
What's up with all upper case LIVESTRONG?
That pisses me off a lot more than all lowercase…
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
All uppercase is far less common than all lowercase.
Thus making the name more unique.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Uppercase is common for trolls & people who feel they need to shout their opinions.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
If you want to feel like you have a unique user name, don't use someone else's name.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Why?
How many other members here have used LanceArmstrong for a user name?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
How many members here are Lance Armstrong?
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
username:
http://www.sbnation.com/users/REVENGE4FAVRE
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You're complaining about the fact that you can't identify another poster because he has initials and numbers in his name.
You have someone else’s name entirely as your handle.
2011: A wasted year
The first time you read it you stored it away...
The same can not be said for most of the names in here.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
It all depends on the quality of the post.
If it’s on either end of the spectrum, I’ll generally remember it.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
How much are the Mensa membership dues?
People have a hard time associating letters and numbers that have no meaning to them. SB nation is filled with tens of thousands of user names, many of which write quality posts.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Hah! I laugh at you plebes and your misfortunes.
Only a yearly tribute of 1/3 of your wheat crop will sate my lordly hunger.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Feb 3, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If you DID qualify for Mensa,
you’d probably be dumb enough to pay the dues.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Or you could just have an unlucky streak in cheestradamus!
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
What you failed to address in you commendable post is that every sport is different.
My BCS point system works more effectively in a football setting. Essentially, the regular season is the playoffs, and you consistently get to watch the two best teams play each other for the title. I’m not so sure it makes a smooth transition to individual sports like track and field.
Let me try to work something out here…
If Usain Bolt runs a 9.497 in the 100 meter during the semi finals (which would shatter his world record) and runs a 9.783 in the 100 meter in the finals, which earns him a bronze, what should he be recognized for?
If someone asks me “Who is the greatest 100m runner of all time”, I’m going to reference Usain Bolt and his 9.497 time rather than whoever earned gold during the final. I think his athletic accomplishment was far more important than what people ran in the finals.
I think the greater achievement isn’t the gold medal but rather the world record. Is that too crazy to suggest? Is it as satisfying? Of course not. Is it more accurate? Without question.
People seem happy to place a synthetic value on a particular match. I’m not down with that.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, the place where the Olympic analogy limps is that it is really nothing other than one big playoff. The “regular season” in that analogy would be whatever an athlete has to do to qualify for the get into the Olypics in the first place. So, really, a BCS type-system in an Olympic context would mean not racing everybody else at all. Instead, you’d average the times that people ran in the World Championships (or whatever their sport has) and then Usain Bolt would only race against one other person for the gold. …and whoever was deemed to be #s 3 and 4 would race each other for the bronze, and everybody would compete in a Rose Bowl race or something just to sell commercial time.
Also, another limp in the analogy is that running and swimming have very simple, objectively quantifiable numbers which determine who’s better. You wouldn’t need a spazzy BCS computer to tell you who the best two are. It would be an objective fact. …which still doesn’t change the fact that somebody can win the world championship and still get upset in the Olympics, which is where the Olympics are superior to the BCS.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
…sorry about the typos in my comment…
…and how did you get a Greek font to paste into a comment, btw? That was nice! …not that there’s much occasion to use Greek letters in a blog about sports (in fact, I kinda’ think the “intellectualism” of the comment was a little over the top. …the Sumerians? Really?), but still.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
NOTED...
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
No, its just gone viral due to its stupidity
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 2, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You guys are all right
Too bad Simms-McDonkey had to put a bad taste into our mouths.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 2, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 2, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Three Musketeers?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
yes
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
NOTED
and taking it under advisement.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
NOTED
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Can I just say Packers fans are ballers for some of the responses to this post? Y'all are hilarious.
Also, random….isn’t Lance Armstrong under investigation for steroids?
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 PM CST reply actions
Thanks. It’s just because we’ve got nothing else to talk about.
…because the Pack played like crap against you guys and got bounced.
Good luck to you guys this Sunday. Beat ’em so we can say we lost to the champs.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"...nothing else to talk about."
AKA The only thing to talk about.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
AKA taking our frustrations for getting beat fair and square out on the first d-bag to pedantically pedal a POS idea with all the charm of a urinary tract infection.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
you wouldn't know classy
if it came up and gave you a big smooch on the lips Roger Rabbit style.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Appreciate it.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 2, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Picking the 2 "best" teams in the NFL would be highly subjective and cause loss of popularity in the sport
1) How do you really know which team is the best? Do we really want “experts” like Peter King and Chris Collinsworth voting on which teams get to go to the SuperBowl? What about strength of schedule? or do we just add up wins and go with that, regardless of the schedule. In this scenario to do we ditch divisions, leagues, etc?
2) Having a single game playoff where the two “best” teams make it will kill the popularity of the sport. As it is, teams that struggle for 5-8 years at a time suffer loss of fans, add to the fact now that only 2 teams each year would go to the championship, as there are no playoff games… and there is nothing for the “good” teams fans to root for. Most people think of the NFL as two seasons… the quest to get to the playoffs – a season where any year about 25 of the 30 teams have a legitimate shot, and the Playoffs, where you have to go through the gauntlet of the NFLs toughest teams.
And believe it or not, fans LOVE the Cinderella story. The Giants run in 07 was magical, as was the Packs run last year and the Giants run so far this year. Why would you deprive people of that chance. And on the other hand, the fact that these magical runs happen every so often makes the top seed winning the superbowl more impressive… but it shows that its not so easy. The leagues parity is the main thing the NFL is selling.
ps… livestrong – what are some of ur favorite bands/artists…. just curious since you brought that up a few times. Seems like you don’t like nickleback or creed.
by Matt dubs on Feb 2, 2012 2:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Do we really want "experts" like Peter King…voting on which teams get to go to the SuperBowl?
Case closed. Check mate.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
THIS!
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 2, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
If they did then we would see the Cowboys vs the Steelers in each Super Bowl.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
The BCS seems to do a pretty good job of it.
I’m sure the NFL could figure something out.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
The BCS is nothing but a popularity contest.
There is nothing good about it
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 3, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
There is one good thing about it....
…the results it produces.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Results, meaning..? We talking popularity or the fact that you believe it pits the two best teams vs. one another?
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 3, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Well, popularity should be a moot point, shouldn’t it? All it means is that the masses who like college football are just a bunch of sheep who accept whatever is presented to them. Remember that? Your words, not mine.
Opinion shouldn’t be good enough either. This entire thread is filled with people of the opinion that the NFL doesn’t need to change, and that the system they use is better then that of college football’s.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 3, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It depends on how you want to look at popularity...
What would the NFL look like today if it had used the BCS system since the AFL merger? How would people respond to the suggestion of a playoff system?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
How so?
Author at Acme Packing Company, SB Nation's Green Bay Packers blog.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
What results?
It takes coaches and journalists polls to “determine” who the top teams are. You don’t get that in the NFL. The Pro Bowl and player awards are the only things in the NFL determined by it.
In college, your top 5 are predetermined before the season even starts and it doesn’t matter for most of them if they lose, they’re still considered “top contenders”. I’d rather see a playoff system in the NCAAF to really see the top teams. Maybe then I’d watch it more.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 4, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Study up son.
Take a look at preseason rankings. Compare them with end season rankings.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
First of all..
don’t call me son, junior. My point still stands true, you just don’t like hearing truth. I don’t need to look at preseason rankings, because you know what junior? I’m gonna go ahead and take your route of refuting all evidence pointed at me. You don’t like to believe what’s true because it goes against your ways, so I’m gonna go against all that you say. You want to troll here, I’m gonna troll you.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
i get it… the current system isnt necessarily a system to find the “best overall team”… but I just don’t think thats the goal. Obviously the goal is to maximize profit.
also, I don’t think any of the major sports I know of do a great job at isolating the “best overall team” at the end. I’m a huge baseball fan, but I know that the playoffs in baseball area crapshoot that largely favor teams with 2-3 great pitchers (rather than a full staff).
I totally get the urge to improve finding the best team… but there are limitations of the sport, and in football its game-sample size due to the physicality and injury issue. Its unfortunate in some ways, but I really do think America enjoys the idea that any team can win any game.
This is the second quality post Packers nation has produced.
Nice job Matt dubs.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
well i'm actual from BBV (giants page)
dont take my understanding of your point for completely agreeing with you. I think the current system is better than the BCSs system, and I enjoy it tremendously. but i do see where you are coming from.
No...
…but you highlighted what I was highlighting.
No one else seemed to be capable of doing that here. Perhaps it’s the poor schooling in Wisconsin.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Was this needed?
No one else seemed to be capable of doing that here. Perhaps it’s the poor schooling in Wisconsin.
Comments like this paired with your outrageous position is why I can’t even take what you spout seriously. I don’t think I have to qualify my education on a forum about Packer football.
Just because we don’t agree with your idea, doesn’t mean we are inferior human beings. Stop with the act. It is getting old and tiresome.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL no we get your point, we just think its a stupid point…by a stupid person.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
by TrevorR on Feb 3, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
...
The diction you’ve chosen, as well as the complexity behind the idea of your post, says so much about you.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
The shit you've written in all your posts says a *lot* more about you.
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by Wiedmann on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha I love when 16 year olds try to talk above their intelligence level. How long did you work to try to sound like that…sadly what you came up with didn’t even fit or make sense. I am actually starting to feel bad for you, and your parents.
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Thanks for the disguised compliment....
I don’t “try” to sound intelligent. It comes across that way partly because of genetics and partly because of my healthy environmental upbringing. I’ve been very fortunate in my circumstances.
“sound like that” – Thanks
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
It comes across that way partly because of genetics and partly because of my healthy environmental upbringing.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
the “try” was my “nice” way of saying that you “don’t” sound intelligent but you think you do. Unfortunately you didn’t follow it.
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....
I don’t put too much stock into what people say when they consistently fail to start sentences with proper capitalization.
Try and make it a habit. People will take you more seriously.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t put much stock into advice from children who can’t form and back up sound, logical arguments. Make it a habit to actually make a good point and back it up before asking people to take you seriously.
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by TrevorR on Feb 6, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...for those who want playoff "series"
it just isn’t feasible in terms of timing and injury potential. Its not like there’s usually a week between games to build up suspense….its NEEDED due to the physicality of it.
A “playoff series” would last forever.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 2, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
and how many games would be enough
i think baseball would need a best of 9, with only 1 rest day after the 5th game to do a better approximation of “the best overall team”
indeed.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 2, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Would it really cause a loss of popularity?
The college football season gets fired out of a cannon before a single snap, when the official top 25 standings are released. Not only that but each week there is a massive amount of focus on rankings one through twenty five because of this list nature. Doesn’t the rise of popularity in power rankings over the past 10 years prove that people love this structure? It’s a perfect discussion throughout the entire regular season.
1) How do we know which team is best? Do it like they do in college. When a massive program (good team) beats a low level program (bad) team, you don’t earn many points. Wide margin victories give you more points than low margin victories. Upsets nets you massive points. Like I’ve said many times before, no system is perfect, not even this one, but it’s the closest we got.
2) You would have to restructure some things. Perhaps create 20 regular season games, 4 “lower level bowl games” and 1 “bcs style championship”. In the current system, teams that suck for 5 – 8 years already lose fans. Nothing would change. Bad teams would still get high draft picks that could be used to reinvigorate your fanbase and help rebuild your franchise.
You nailed it on the head with your third paragraph. Fans love the current system. I’m not interested in what fans love. I’m interested in finding out what two teams are the best and having them go at it in the last game. Let’s not kid ourselves. If the NFL did switch to a BCS type system, it’s popularity would stay on it’s current path. Can you imagine how much attention it would draw? Rating would be out of this world.
What bands do I like? I’m headed to a Springsteen concert in March (can’t wait!). The music in my IPOD always changes but some of my all time favorites? The Smashing Pumpkins, The Streets, The National, TV on the Radio, Portishead… My tastes range from the popular to the pretentious.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Fans love the elimination game
I’m not so sure that changing the NFL to the BCS system would cause an increase in ratings… but I can’t prove it would do the opposite either. The fans did stick around during the lockout.
Its a matter of whether you cherish the elimination games at the end of the season – the Giants have played 5 of them, with the 6th coming soon. As a Giants fan this has been one of the most memorable sports seasons I can remember. Its right up there with the 07 run and the Yankees ’96 season.
In some respects, the BCS system would make the regular season games slightly more important… but its not the same as that end of the season do or die phenomenon the current system has. Whenever you’re talking about changing the system you have to think about whether or not the new one is more enjoyable for the fans (i dont think the bcs one would be) and if its more profitable for the league/owners.
One more point… I think later games are more important than earlier games. I just feel that way. The end of the season SHOULD be more important. You could argue weighing the later games in ur BCS voting/points/etc… Either way I really do feel that the Giants EARNED their spot in the SB by beating the top 2 seeds in back to back weeks.
I’m interested in finding out what two teams are the best and having them go at it in the last game.
That is the problem. Record doesn’t always tell you who the best team is. It tells you who won the most but that could be as much a factor schedule, injuries, timing, etc more than anything. How would you explain the 18-0 Patriots losing the Giants a few years ago. Maybe they really weren’t the best team afterall??
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Who said I was in support of a record only based measurment?
The BCS isn’t built that way.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
You have a post in here showing the total wins by the four teams with the most wins (Giants being forth) and then complained about how it wasn’t the two best teams. Pretty sure that is the only thing you can infer from it.
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Keep reading...
I’ve addressed this very point numerous times in this FP.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
"Picking the 2 best teams in the NFL would be highly subjective..."
Would it?
When the regular season ended, the matchup would have been Packers vs. Patriots. I’m pretty sure 99.9% of fans could live with that.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Saints and Packers more realistically
New England beat nobody. The Ravens were the first good team they beat.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Get rid of the conferences then sure...
And, like I said, no one would complain about that matchup. It would be epic.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 4, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
No offense to Packers fans here but
the teams gotta earn their way to the top by playing GOOD PLAYOFF MATERIAL teams if they want a shot at the Superbowl. Schedules are easier for some than they are for others. No reason to play the game then if you know you won’t make it to the top.
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yes, all of the Packer fans here agree with you.
Lance is the only one who disagrees.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
We're not offended
We know that you can’t fumble the ball 3 times & drop a bunch of passes & expect to win in the playoffs.
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Not even bothering to stop a Hail Mary doesn't help, either.
Or giving up a boat-load of yards to Ahmad Bradshaw on the play before that.
Okay, that's enough reminiscing
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"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
The Patriots?
HA! The fact that you just chose the Patriots completely debunks this entire post. The Pats are the equivalent of the team in the NCAA that plays patsy teams all year to milk their schedule. Do some research.
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by TrevorR on Feb 5, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
it's kinda funny
do you actively post on ESPN by any chance? Your post smacks of the butthurt stupidity/trolling that the boards there are completely made up of (I kid you not, I caught a kid whining the refs screwed penn state…after they lost to wisconsin this year. We won by what, 45 to 3?)
by packermussupreme on Feb 2, 2012 2:25 PM CST reply actions
I love it!
Questioning the validity of a sports playoff system and I’m automatically stupid/trolling.
Nice user name?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Saying that the BCS is in any way the optimal system for determining a champion is pretty stupid, so yeah.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 2, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It works better than just about any popular sport out there...
The only competitor is the NBA. Although, they really do need to get rid of conferences during the playoffs and just do their bracket with one through sixteen seeds.
Alabama vs. LSU 2011
Auburn vs Oregon 2010
Alabama vs. Texas 2009
Florida vs. Oklahoma 2008
Florida vs Ohio State 2007
LSU vs Ohio State 2006
The proof is in the pudding. Those are the match ups of absolute juggernauts
9 – 7 NYGs with the 27th ranked defense and the 8th ranked offense?
Give me a break.
Texas vs. USC
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
careful with "27th ranked defense"
that partially comes from things like playing all of the most explosive offenses throughout the season (cowboys, eagles, patriots, packers, saints)…. also, using volume stats is a little bit outdated.
Just to show 1 potential flaw/pitfal of the system you’re describing, here is an example from this year. Advancednflstats.com uses only predictive stats (yards per attempt, success rate, etc) to rank the teams. The top ranked team at the end of the year was the Texans. Now we know going into the playoffs they were doomed because they were on their 3rd string QB… but if we went by those rankings the championship game would be a mess… but that system values all 16 games of the regular season evenly.
(note: i’m not going to go through why i like the advancednflstats.com rankings better than ANY power ranking out there in detail, but basically its unbiased by using only the facts. All the deductions for future performance prediction are based on stats that have proven over the last 10 years to be indicative of future performance… and his game win probabilities almost always predict game outcomes higher than 90-95% of the “experts” and vegas, and that is without the knowledge of injuries)
i believe Advanced nfl stats had the giants defense as the 18th best, and their offesnse as the 4th…
one more comment i forgot to make – you tend to believe the current playoff system is largely influenced by luck. well the advanced stats job is to throw out any “luck” factor. thats basically the difference between their rankings and the typical power rankings. They throw out unpredictable things like fumbles recovered, punt return TDs, etc etc.
Keep in mind… if a team can be “lucky” enough to win 3-4 games at the end of the season, they can do that in hte beginning or middle too….
Uh the NBA stinks dude
Idk how anyone could compare it to Football
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by Willgfass on Feb 2, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's an entirely different discussion.
If someone starts up a new thread I’d be glad to share my two cents.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
You asked me to do some research earlier, so here it is. No TLDR, refute me.
Just about every one of those had a 3rd, and in some cases 4th team that had just as much argument for being in the game. Example: In 2008, two undefeated teams, Utah and Boise State were both undefeated going into bowl Selection. Both were passed up in favor of the 12-1 Florida Gators and the 12-1 Oklahoma Sooners. 2 undefeated teams got passed over for two record-wise inferior teams because of you beloved computer. Both Utah and Boise State absolutely dominated their entire schedules, and had had both earned the right to play for the championship.
Then-ranked #3 Utah went on to pound #4 Alabama 31-17 to win the Sugar Bowl, a wider margin than Florida had managed in the SEC championship(31-20). And speaking of Florida, their 1 loss of that season came the 2-2 Ole Miss Rebels, who would finish the year 9-4( 4th in the SEC, unranked going into Bowl Selection). According to your arguments, that alone should have eliminated Florida from title contention, and yet they went on to be National Champs, beating an Oklahoma team that had 1 loss, to the 5-0 Texas, who entered Bowl Selection ranked #4, with their only loss to then undefeated #7 Texas Tech, who beat #25 Ole Miss 47-34 in the Cotton Bowl to finish the year 11-2, #12. For the record, Texas ended up at 12-1, #4, with a victory over 10-2 #10 Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl, 24-21.
Boise State on the other hand entered Bowl Selection undefeated at 12-0, ranked #9, and would go on to lose to then 10-2 #11 TCU, 17-16, in the Poinsettia Bowl. For the record, 1 of TCU’s 2 losses that year came to Utah, who dealt them their second loss of the year, 13-10. The other loss that year? Oklahoma.
SINCE I’M SURE YOU’VE SKIPPED THIS FAR ANYWAYS, what all of this adds up to is the fact the only team to go the entire 2008 season without losing a game was the 13-0 #2 Utah Utes, who were excluded from the title game because a computer rated their perfect season as inferior to the flawed seasons of other teams. The second thing that you can take from the 2008 college football season is that there couldn’t possibly be a stronger argument for the existence of a playoff bracket in the Bowl system that the results from that season. The National Title Game is most certainly debatable, as far as crowning a true champion goes.
For reference:
Final BCS ranking going into Bowl Selection
Final AP standings after completion of 2008 season
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 3, 2012 1:20 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I can't believe this...
You’re using the “soccer mom” argument. “Well my boys won every game they played so it doesn’t seem fair that they don’t get to play in the big game!”
Hey soccer mom, your boys loaded their schedule with Sisters of the Weak, Little Sisters of the Poor, and the Kennedy School of Autism. Do you have any idea what type of schedule the Florida Gators and Oklahoma Sooners fight through every year? Both teams consistently play top 25 schedules.
I want to thank you for highlighting this entire argument AGAIN. The BCS is such a brilliant system because it attempts to use some intelligence in deciding its champions. The BCS system TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE TYPE OF SCHEDULE A TEAM SETS FOR ITSELF. How do you not understand this? The BCS system solves the very “problem” you attempted to lay out. Some wins are simply worth more than other wins. Some losses are less important than other losses. This is BRILLIANT.
Take a look at the schedule the Utah Utes set for themselves during their 2008 run…
1) Michigan
2) UNLV
3) Utah State
4) Air Force
5) Weber State
6) Oregon State
7) Wyoming
8) Colorado State
9) New Mexico
10) TCU
11) San Diego State
12) Brigham Young
Look at that weak sauce schedule. Congratulations! They finished with a good record after playing cup cakes. Now let’s compare that schedule with Florida 2008 shall we?
1) Hawaii
2) Miami
3) Tennessee
4) Ole Miss
5) Arkansas
6) LSU
7) Kentucky
8) Georgia
9) Vanderbuilt
10) South Carolina
11) The Citadel
12) Florida State
It’s not even close. I understand soccer moms wanting their kids to play but this isn’t pee wee soccer. If you want to be considered for the best, play the best. Utah didn’t do this. Florida did.
As we seem to have established the ONLY advantage the NFL playoff system has over college is that it’s “satisfying” to the masses. When you take this fight to quality teams, you’re entering my territory. You’ll never win there.
PS: Everyone who rec’d that post can now unrec. Thank you.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
You don't even know what your point is anymore.
That first paragraph, in which you are mocking Tepo6688, he made the EXACT SAME POINT you made in the original post.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Here's how.
In your original post, you were complaining that the Packers, Saints, or 49ers should be in the Super Bowl this year owing to their superior regular season records.
And now, when someone on this blog tries stating the exact same thing you did in your post, you made fun of him.
Maybe you don’t have a point. This entire FanPost is entertainment.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 12:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
First of all...
…thanks for your compliment. I’m glad I’m bringing pleasure into peoples lives (as little as I actually can using this blog).
Here’s where you’re wrong. You are assuming that I felt the NYG had a significantly harder schedule than the SF49ers, GB Packers, and NO Saints.
I don’t believe the Giants played a significantly harder or easier schedule than any of the teams listed above. In that case, the schedule is something to heavily lean on.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Look who can dance in circles
Seriously man, I can point out a bunch of your posts that are now flat out contradictory of your other posts…you are talking so much you don’t even know what you are saying anymore.
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by TrevorR on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Just above
You talked about how the BCS hits on all their picks for the big game and how other undefeated teams that are snubbed are rightly so because they play crappy schedules and then you try to argue for the title game being Packers/Patriots despite the fact that the Patriots never even beat a team with a winning record all season.
If I cared more I could name many many more but I really just don’t care enough about your pathetic thread.
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by TrevorR on Feb 5, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't care about this thread?
…yet you have been one of the most frequent commenters on it.
You won’t list them because there is a retort for every one. The BCS gets their games right. It’s a strength of the system.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Again man you still aren’t reading well. I wasn’t talking about the BCS and getting games right. I was talking about you and how your posts are starting to contradict each other.
Follow the thread up.
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Not really...
I’ve always championed a system that uses human reason and logic in order to balance things like records and strength of schedule.
It’s a system that needs to be balanced.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
The 49ers had the 30th hardest schedule this past season.
Green Bay and New Orleans tied for the 13th hardest.
New York had the 19th hardest, but the difference between 19 and 13 is pretty slim. The difference between 30 and 19 is huge, and the difference between New Orleans 13-3 and San Francisco’s 13-3 is massive. If that is your biggest argument, and you think the Niners proved anything by having a better record, you should go back to the drawing board.
2011: A wasted year
No
As has already been discussed, the parity in the NFL is far more prevalent than it is in D1 college football.
There is no doubt that the 49ers had a more impressive regular season than the NYG.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
So why is it the Giants are going to the Super Bowl?
A: Because they got hot at the right time. Regular season wins mean nothing once you reach the playoffs. Look at the Falcons in 2010. 13-3 regular season, then we went into Atlanta and demolished them 48-21 in the Georgia Dome in their first playoff game.
There’s where your point doesn’t hold water. Regular season results mean nothing in the playoffs, in any sport.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Leave.
You clearly don’t like to read.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
You're telling VCF to leave?
Holy shit, it’s unbelievable how far up your own ass you are.
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by Wiedmann on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He acted like a little kid who runs into a conversation, hears the last thing that was said, and responds to that...
If he acts like a kid, I will treat him like one.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
You've acted like a petulant brat
who is mad because none of the other kids want to play with him on the see-saw of idiocy.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 3, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So, when all these people are treating you like an asshole...
…how do you think you’ve been behaving?
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by Wiedmann on Feb 4, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Says the kid in Middle School.
FYI, I’m in my upper 20s and am trying to get into Medical School.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 4, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Not going to do that...
…arguing with 16 year old kids on message boards.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Flagged.
Sorry, but I ain’t going nowhere. You, on the other hand…
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 4, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Before you go slamming me again,
Have a look at the bottom masthead. You just slandered one of the site authors. I hope you enjoy your banning from this site.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 5, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the flaw here is your emphasis on "sets their own schedules"
Rankings, as in college football, allow for a relatively easy – if sometimes controversial – SoS determination. The NFL has no such mechanism in place (and the first person who claims Peter King’s power rankings are such gets all future sammiches summarily revoked). Sure, we can each subjectively say what team is the best at any given point, but there’s no way to quantify it in the NFL.
There is an unfortunate lack of parity across the board in NCAA D-I athletics, which requires correcting when determining champions. Most sports have developed a playoff system (i.e., basketball, field hockey), but football needs further correction. Even among the BCS conferences, there are clear ‘haves’ and ‘have-nots’ – we’ve seen the Dukes play the Stanfords. It’s not a fair matchup. There’s money to consider, facilities, even the history and tradition that sets colleges apart. One could also cite teenagers being able to choose their destination as part of this separation – sunny Florida is often more attractive than frigid Connecticut.
The NFL, however, is bound by an entirely separate set of rules. Each team has the same amount of money to spend on players – the lockout highlighted this quite clearly. It’s a lucky player who can choose his next team, but most players are instead bound by contracts. All of this helps maintain (at least the illusion of) parity. Each NFL game pits two teams with equal resources against one another. We as fans mock teams with poor records, or consider certain teams cesspits for various periods of time – but we forget that everyone playing the game is a trained and paid professional.
The BCS can, I contend, only exist where parity is not inherent to the system. Luckily for us, the NFL determines the outcomes of its games more by talent, gameplan, and execution than by available resources.
by osc630 on Feb 3, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
stands up to start a slow clap
Well put osc…it will go right over his head though.
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I'd add in the fact that preseason rankings in college
can eliminate a lot of the pack from the title hunt before a single down is played, and the teams that come in to the year in the top 10 have a much easier time staying there than a team ranked outside of the top 15 has of getting there, no matter how well they play. Say the top 5-6 teams all end up with 1 loss,
2011: A wasted year
The crux of paragraph 1...
…relies on this statement. “Rankings, as in college football, allow for a relatively easy – if sometimes controversial – SoS determination. The NFL has no such mechanism in place…”
Well….duh.
I’m suggesting a MAJOR CHANGE to the NFL postseason. Of course there are certain pillars that need to be built and developed in order for the system to be successful in the NFL. Parity is obviously not perfect in the NFL. A variety of sources would need to be used some of which…
SoS, Margin of victory, Specific unit rankings, Injuries etc…
Representatives from each team could rank/assign points to teams from the opposite conference.
Who knows exactly how it should happen but to suggest that it couldn’t is a little short sited. I’m not sure why the fact that teams spend an equal amount of money (they don’t) on players messes everything up.
Here’s this for parity…(Concerning the years 2000 through 2010)
Indianapolis Colts win percentage for the decade – .719
Detroit Lions win percentage for the decade – .263
Slow clap? I think not.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Think about this for a minute. Last game of the year, the super star QB of the #1 ranked team in the BCS goes down in their final win. The BCS doesn’t account for this though. Instead you are going to see a shitty blowout by the #2 team after they kill the raw new QB…in the NFL this team woudl have been weeded out because they are clearly no longer the best team. its about pitting the best against the best and seeing who comes out on top. If you can’t see that you must be a petulant high school brat who lives in his mommy’s house.
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Florida lost to Ole Miss.
Try to tell me that Ole Miss was the best.
As for unreccing my post, I don’t care if anyone does. I’m not Dynasty ;).
2011: A wasted year
Answer this then.
Why did 1 loss Florida and 1 loss Oklahoma have more claim to the title game that year than 1 loss Texas, who beat Oklahoma, or 1 loss USC, not to mention TWO undefeated teams?
And just for comparison’s sake, here is the 2008 end of season (including bowl games) Strength of Schedule ratings.
Sure, the argument is there for Florida, if you don’t think the SEC is way overrated every year, but Oklahoma?
USC played a harder schedule than Oklahoma. Texas and Oklahoma had nearly identical SoS. Undefeated Utah was 5th overall, but not far behind, especially if you consider that they didn’t have a conference championship game to boost their rating.
2011: A wasted year
by Tepo6688 on Feb 3, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Why are you replying to every subthread but this one, Lance?
I’m getting lonely…
2011: A wasted year
and how many of those games did I watch? ZERO. No drama, nothing leading to the game, just randomly picked games based on some statistics does nothing for me. I watch NCAA basketball all the time. I watch a lot of NFL, MLB, even NBA but NCAA football can’t see to get my attention. why? Because the system is boring and unfair.
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That's like saying...
Schindler’s List is an inferior movie when compared with Michael Bay’s Transformers 2. It might not have had the “drama” for you but it was a far superior movie.
Yet, take a look at the box office numbers.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Not in the least.Schindler’s List has plenty of drama (I just recently watched it anyway). Maybe you are thinking of action?
Why don’t we take a look at the numbers though…
The BCS title game this year was terrible. Not only was it one sided and boring, but no one watched it 13.8 rating. The previous year was a 16.1. In fact every BCS game was down this year and they have been going down steadily the few years now. Why do you suppose that is? I guess people are too stupid to know what they have. Or maybe its because by the time they play the title games people could care less (like me) because there is no drama leading up to them, just weeks of time off.
By the way, Schindler’s List pulled in over $320 million in the box office. There were so many other great movies that people really didn’t watch that you could have used and you picked one of the high selling critically acclaimed movies ever. Weird.
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I'm suprised you didn't catch my point...
Schindler’s List wasn’t a big hit with everyone. It didn’t exactly set the youth market on fire and Transformers: RotF earned four times as much globally. If you think college football is more like Spinal Tap…no…you couldn’t have thought that.
I love the fact that you chose to focus on BCS title game ratings. I loved it simply because you walked right into the lions den.
Ratings for the BCS title game is beyond sporadic. There are so many variables that accounted for it’s “low” rating. The game was a blowout. The game was all defense. The game was between two teams that reside in low population areas. The game was between two teams that already played each other. The game had no headline.
Take a look at college TV ratings, or title game ratings over the past 20 years. They jump all over the place but the general arc is an ascending one. College footballs popularity has exploded the past two decades. Can’t get over the fact that you chose to go there. lol
A 13.8 rating, which was one of the lowest in recent memory, is still crazy high. That 13.8 rating dwarfs all other TV ratings for college sports in general. I wonder why college football has outgrown all other sports?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
That 13.8 rating dwarfs all other TV ratings for college sports in general.
That’s not really saying a lot. Football and basketball are really the only two college sports that get consistent national coverage.
I wonder why college football has outgrown all other sports?
Because football is probably the most popular sport in America (or maybe basketball. They’re probably pretty close). The fact that they’re the only college sport that gets 2-3 games on most of the major networks probably helps too.
It’s certainly not an indicator that the BCS system is a good one. If that’s what you’re trying to imply.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 3, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Just becuase it's popular doesn't make it right.
Hasn’t that been you point all along, LAL?
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the NFL is wayyyyyyyy more popular than the NBA
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Sometimes I wonder...
If you take into account that the NBA has 82 games per team, where do the TV ratings and attendance figures line up?
I also wonder what league does better with merchandising.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Feb 4, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
As disappointing as it is, it’s probably closer than you’d think.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 4, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
the NFL plays less than a fifth the number of games
yet has an annual revenue pool that’s roughly $ 3-4 billion larger.
That’s not very close, at all.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
true, fuck the NBA.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Yep. Basketball is probably my favorite sport, and one that I played for a long time but the NBA is garbage.
I like the NFL, NCAAB, NCAAF, Tennis, and the NHL all much more then the NBA.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 4, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Where are you getting your numbers?
Basketball also has strong footholds in Europe, China, and parts of Africa. American football is nothing outside of the United States.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 4, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
You are comparing it to only other college sports
…and on top of that, the NCAA tournament championship game drew higher numbers than your precious BCS game did this year. How pathetic…college basketball outdoing football. Bet you don’t see that happen in the NFL.
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I love...
“…just randomly picked games based on some statistics…”
Do people read what they write? People need to focus on articulating a little more.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Please please take your own advice.
The “intelligence” that goes into the BCS only leads to controversy, missed opportunity, and ultimately a poorer product.
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A few things...
1) controversy – So what? Controversy is great for the game.
2) missed opportunity – I can only assume that you’re talking about the lack of a playoff system in college which is unrealistic seeing as that you’re dealing with student athletes and not professionals.
3) poorer product – Go take a look at the last 20 National Championship games. The product could not be stronger.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
1) not when your point is that it always puts the best two teams against each other
2) why does student athletes matter? Doesn’t seem to matter with the college athletes that play basketball or baseball.
3) straight up disagree…completely
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....
1) Nice debate tactic. Putting words in my mouth that I never said. It’s simply a more consistent method for picking the two best teams. I never said it was perfect. Nice try though. lol
2) Trust me, it matters. You want students to be playing football throughout December and January? I see you like to think things through before you type them. lol
3) You’re you.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
1) No your entire basis for your argument is that you want to see the best two teams play each other. Once again, you can’t even follow your own logic!
2) Again, being student athletes doesn’t matter in EVERY other sport…but football is special huh? AWFUL argument.
3) Coming from you this means nothing.
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Dude, really?
Is your best comeback to make fun of people’s usernames when you have one of the most generic names out there?
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 5, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
How about a little informal research?
Good movie or bad movie?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 3:02 PM CST reply actions
i already saw it when it was called 'The Edge'
starring Alec Baldwin and Anthony Hopkins. I’m not going to shell out 10 bucks to see it again in theaters starring Qui Gon Jinn.
2011: A wasted year
Different stories entirely
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, just like Real Steel (link below) has a completely different story than Rocky 5.
But is it really that different?
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
No.
Real Steel mirrored Rocky 5 far more than The Grey did so The Edge.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Lance, here is the problem with the BCS and with your suggestion
Each team has a different schedule and a different level of difficulty. In college football, a school makes their own out of conference schedule. You can’t just look at regular season and assume the teams with the best record are the best ones. Make them prove it against similar caliber opponents.
In the NFL, there isn’t enough equality to say the two best teams in the regular season should play in the Super Bowl. The Patriots played 2 teams in the regular season with a winning record and lost to them both…does the fact that they went 13-1 against all the teams with records .500 or worse make them the best team in the AFC? The only way to find out would be to have them play other teams that earned the right to be there. In the NFC, the Packers played the punching bags of the AFC, the AFC West. Should the fact that they had to play Oakland, Denver, and San Diego make them more worthy than the 49ers who had to play 3 playoff teams in the AFC North? The purpose of the regular season is NOT to crown a champion, it is to give those teams that did well the advantage with home games and bye weeks. Then they are required to prove they truly are the best in the conference by playing at the high level they had all year. If they truly are superior, it should show on the field. I would hardly say either the Giants or Patriots got to where they are by luck. They played better than the teams they had to face when it mattered. Would it be any different if a team was destroying a team for 3 quarters just to lose in the fourth? Would that mean that the team that was dominating for 3 quarters should get the win?
The only thing I MIGHT change would be that the 4 division winners and two wild card teams be seeded based on record. Meaning my beloved Giants should have been traveling to New Orleans in the first round because of their record not being as good as the Lions or Falcons and everything may have turned out differently (we can’t seem to beat New Orleans in that dome). The playoffs are a chance for teams that are decent to get hot, make a run, and have a shot. What would be the point in playing past week 12 if we were just going to say the two best teams play each other?
To answer your question on do I think the Giants are better than the Packers, Saints, and 49ers? I say that they are, RIGHT NOW. At that is what matters. No one cares about the regular season in the playoffs becuase it doesn’t matter once your there and THAT is what makes the NFL the best league there is in professional sports.
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by DavidE on Feb 2, 2012 3:42 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I think that the only problem with the NFL playoffs is the confrence system
which let the 8-8 seahawks in last year. Other then that, I much prefer it over every other system because every game counts. Just being the better team does not guarantee a win. With a 1 loss and go home system, the NFL has created a system where every second of every game is important and thats what makes playoff football so amazing.
Seahawks were 7-9 last year
Just saying.
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
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I just want to apologize to everyone
I know I came off as a major twat in this thread. I’m sorry for this. If I’ve offended anyone please know that I didn’t mean to. Actually, that’s not true. I tried offending most of you with every chance I got. However, the purpose of this wasn’t to take digs at you as much as it was to spur conversation. I thought this topic was one worth diving into and the best way to do that was to garner attention.
It seems like we have more than a few thoughtful responses now, so perhaps I can drop this facade and act like a decent human being. So once again, I do apologize for the above, and I want to thank you for putting up with me thus far.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 PM CST reply actions
someone must have gotten a warning for being overly argumentative from apc
your arguments come off as beyond comprehension. why does the NFL play 16 games, becuase they don’t play 4-5 times a week. why don’t they play more? becuase player’s careers would be over before they hit 30. with the amount of arthroscopic knee surgeries going on this time of the year, or players being told to HEAVILY rest, there is no need to play more.
As for the NBA, NHL, and MLB playoffs, there are MANY out there who think it’s too long. Seriously, it won’t be long until we see a July 4th NBA or NHL final. Those sports seasons last too damn long and people get sick of it. The regular season? Haven’t watched a single NBA or NHL game. Why? becuase they don’t matter. I did watch the Brewers, but that’s more becuase I lived less than 4 miles from Miller park and could ride my bicycle to the game for a little exercise and fun. The NBA should go to 3-3-5-7 playoffs. Do I care about the 2-7 game 4 matchups when 7 has a 2.% chance to win? no.
I Will watch the 3-6 matchup becuase sometimes, the 6 team is better than the 3 team. Look at the Seahawks upset last year. If one game is all you got, you’ve got to bring your a-game every damn day and any sort of pause in concentration may be your last. The intensity is wratcheted up and it’s more important. Also, the games in the playoffs are where they should be. The weekends. Nothing to do, nothing to worry about, but getting your hotdogs and beer on.
If Kobe or Lebron has an off day on game 1 of the finals, he can shrug it off, telling himself, “i’ve got 6 more to make up for it.” If a goalie lets in the last second goal of game 2, he doesn’t have to worry becuase he knows he is gonna be back tomorrow. If a pitcher gives up the game winning HR in the 9th, he knows he’s gonna get another chance later that week. Those sports don’t have the critical drama that the NFL naturally has. That’s why game 7’s are so hyped and they’re always talking about “If he can keep his nerves in check… yah da yah da.” NFL players don’t have such a luxury and that is what makes the NFL games more important and more dramatic.
I will probably not even watch any playoffs this summer. It just doesn’t matter. I’ll watch the finals, and wonder why it lasts 2 weeks to decide it. Monday-game. wednesday-game. friday, saturday- game. monday-game wednesday-game thursday-game. It’s so annoying and overly long, just unnecessary.
And as for only 12 minutes of actual play… ok. baseball lasts for .5 seconds just about every play. with a minute interlude. basketball. 1/2 of the playclock is taken up by someone walking the ball up past halfcourt to set up the triangle offense. NHL. lots of time is wasted with offsides, 2line passes, dumping the ball on the other side of the rink, time delaying plays to get the next wave on the play and so forth. Every sport wastes time.
I cannot accept your apology becuase you admit you were purposefully being argumentative, and that, simply put, is being a dick for being a dicks sake.
by Nels Winkler on Feb 2, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry that you cannot accept my apology.
Although, and this is for life, not just fan forums, forgiveness benefits those who forgive more than he who is forgiven.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
Stick to life, not this fan forum.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
The wording
of your ‘apology’ makes it sound pre-meditated
(planned ahead of time, before you posted your drivel).
That makes it completely insincere,
and that makes it unacceptable!
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Simms McConkey'd
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
by msc32887 on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
*McDonkey'd
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 3, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It also leaves
anything else that you say with a complete lack of credible sincerity.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
The Munsters of the Midway still suck,
Skol is a four-letter word,
abd those upstarts in Detroit couldn't beat the Little Sisters of the Poor.
The way to apologize for being a twat is to stop being a twat and not be a twat anymore.
The way we should accept this apology is to only treat you like a twat to the extent that you continue to act like one.
We’re not here to give you absolution. Just walk away and it’ll be over.
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Am I still acting like a twat?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, you are.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 12:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Page up to your comment about schools in Wisconsin.
That should be all you need to know.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Check the time and date...
…of that comment, as well as my apology.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have to.
You’re still acting the same way you were before your “apology”.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely.
I’m sorry that you cannot accept my apology.
…as the title of a comment containing a life-lesson we can learn from you.
and:
God bless both of you.
Can I pet the nose of the high horse you just rode in on?
by Curly Lambeau on Feb 3, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I have only myself to blame for clicking the link,
But this is easily one of the dumbest posts I have seen here in quite some time. Saying the BCS is good is like saying “the sky is orange” when it’s noon outside … it makes no sense whatsoever.
I actually think the BCS failed this year, too, and Oklahoma State should have played LSU, not Alabama. But that may just be me.
As for the NFL, the playoffs are a system of merit, not luck. You don’t luck into the playoffs, you earn the spot in the playoffs! And it’s not about who the best team during the regular season is, it’s more about who is the best team during the playoffs. Look at 2005. The Indianapolis Colts had a great regular season, starting 13-0, but they lost their first playoff game to the Steelers, who, by the way, won three road games in the playoffs that year. It doesn’t matter what happened in the regular season, but what does matter is how well you play in the playoffs.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions
Ah, the Colts.
Weak divisions can really prop up your regular season record.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Why stop there Lance
Who needs a post season anyways. I guess that means the NFL should have cancelled the final weeks of the season since the Packers already won the Lance Armstrong Trophy.
Balance my friend...
Life is about balance
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Oh Ok. In that case...
…I propose then a playoff system with the top 6 teams from each conference. The best team from each conference has to play one less game then the worst playoff teams and gets home field advantage. That should balance things out a bit too then
by Glenn'sYank13 on Feb 4, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Giants fan here
I didn’t come to brag but I’m glad to know only 1 fan is really bitter about the loss.
My only comment (as of now) for this poster is…
Would you rather have playoffs, or a bunch of Bowl games?
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I'm a long time Bills fan
I think I watched one Packers game this year and I couldn’t name you more than 6 or 7 players on their team.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
That explains alot
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by netsareboss on Feb 3, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Since this probably isn't obvious to you, this is the Packer's SBN site.
"Obi Braun Kenobi you're our only hope!"
by ObiBraunKenobi on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
The Packers play football...
No?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
now you def know this imposter is trolling
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you asked for reassurance that the Packers play football...
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Follow the discussion trail...
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
And here you go again...
there is no discussion trail. They’ve left bread crumbs for you to find your way back, but it seems you ate them all as soon as they were laid down.
Garage sales drive me insane. What is that? I don't know. One man's junk is another man's junk.
by TXPackerBacker on Feb 5, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
To answer your question...
I much prefer the BCS system. I’ll take bowl games any day of the week.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
You'd rather have no playoffs
what so ever? No chance for a team to fight other top teams to the very top? You’d rather go based on a season, where the schedules are rarely even fair?
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Perhaps the regular season needs tweaking then...
I wouldn’t mind restructuring the regular season and bumping it up to 20 games with 2 universal bye weeks.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
LOL 20 GAMES
they flipped over 18, what do you think would make them go to 20
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Tell them...
Two fewer pre season games
and there’s no playoffs.
It’s doable.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
See
no playoffs means no incentives for half the teams after half the season. This isnt college where you can have like 20 Bowl games
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This guy is probably one of the dumbest “human beings” I have ever come across in my life.
APC, I respect you guys for putting him in his place.
Lance, just read my signature, and replace “Mr. Madison” with you real name, if that isn’t too difficult for you.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Says the person who watches Adam Sandler movies...
What? Tyler Perry movies too high brow for you?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 3, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
/Does his best Lance impersonation
In addition, I’d like to pose a moratorium on all the fun and popular, from now until whatever come after the end of time.
2011: A wasted year
Says the person
who was like 4 when the movie came out. Quit trying to act like an intelligent person…the rest of your posts are doing a great job of showing us you aren’t.
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Lovin' it!
My age is now the main target for the lower IQ members of this fan site. Brilliant!
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, because we're the ones who brought up age as an insult...
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
This is the guy who apparently understands logic, remember?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 5, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
LOL…what is funny is you think you have any idea what your IQ or anyone elses IQ is in here. I am sorry “Lance” but your posts really don’t come across as intelligent. Your arguments are weak and not thought out…they are also easily debunked all throughout the thread. I hate to do this…but you are not intelligent.
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"By your fruits you will know them"
Intelligent people leave evidence of their intelligence. If Noam Chomsky decided to become a Packers fan, join AcmePackingCompany, and ultimately post here, what do you think his responses would look like?
It’s not a great tool, but these writings show enough about a persons intellect to gauge some level of intelligence.
I can be sensitive to certain personal shortcomings, but you’re not going to get much attacking my IQ.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
You're comparing yourself to Noam Chomsky?
Looks like my pseudo-intellectual call was right on the money. Just because you’ve heard of Chomsky, or Nietzsche, or Einstein, or Malcolm Gladwell, or Barney the Dinosaur does not mean you are their equal. Quoting them in everyday conversation, especially when the situation doesn’t remotely call for it, make you nothing more that prick with a mask of false intelligence.
By the way, have you seen Good Will Hunting? This guy thought he was the smartest person in the room too.
2011: A wasted year
Nice reference...
Too bad you’ve chosen to bring up a fairy tale movie about an underdog with a supernatural acumen. That movie was made for the masses.
Matt Damon’s character doesn’t exist. The character in the picture above is going on the make top one percent type salary, he’s going to have two or three successful marriages, and he’ll have a strong social circle around him his entire life. Due to the fact that Will doesn’t exist, that guy up there is the real winner.
Hollywood has you by the balls.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
How is it even possible that you misinterpreted both that movie,
and my point, so badly?
2011: A wasted year
LOL
two or three successful marriages
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
if you go to a good university, you'll see that people as smart as Matt Damon's character
certainly do exist.
unless you go into some bullshit general arts program, then you probably won’t meet any brilliant kids.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
"Two or three successful marriages"?????
Holy crap. Isn’t just ONE successful marriage better? I.E., devoting your life to just one person?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 5, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
it is not possible to have more than one successful marriage
unless you’re a polygamist.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
I know, that's what I was thinking after he said this.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Do we not count one spouse passing?
Or is that too depressing to consider?
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
It's too depressing.
n/t
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 7, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
You continue to imply that your posts show some level of intelligence and honestly I don’t see them. You try to mock people for a lack of intelligence because they don’t agree with you, but only shows arrogance which is no indicator of intelligence.
Most of your posts lack substantial evidence and backing. They are poorly thought out and when you are debunked you just ignore and move on to another argument. These are signs of intelligence. Sorry.
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Don't you mean "signs of a lack of intelligence"?
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If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 6, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
That's actually been used as a responnse (way up) in this thread.
But it still rings just as true now.
2011: A wasted year
Does anyone else want to stand up and begin a slow clap with me?
The amount of vitriol and pure bitterness that users are spitting in this FanPost make it the most entertaining SB Nation related thing I have ever read.
It’s like watching Danny Tanner comment on nut shots during mid 90’s America’s Funniest Home Videos.
My cap off to all of you.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Feb 4, 2012 12:34 AM CST reply actions
k
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
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I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
....
Still going.. smh
When life gives ya lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons.
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLVI, Guaranteed! - REVENGE4FAVRE
I'm sure you're a really nice guy and all,
But your opinion is stupid as fuck.
15-1 [One and done... *SIGH*]
Back on track to Super Bowl XLVII!
MattFlynn4StartingQB
He's probably not a really nice guy
if his comments are any indication.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
umad?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 4, 2012 4:07 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
In other news
Aaron Rodgers won the MVP, now go write us a Fanpost about why Matthew Stafford deserves it instead.
15-1 [One and done... *SIGH*]
Back on track to Super Bowl XLVII!
MattFlynn4StartingQB
by arodgb on Feb 4, 2012 9:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Stafford? Not a chance against Tebow. The MVP of God.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
he strikes me as the type of guy who becomes a military officer just so people HAVE to listen to him
You know the type. Slightly shorter than others. Once with a raging mullet screaming out the back in all directions, now, with a very close cut to hide his torrid male pattern baldness. Someone who througought his life, could never get a word in edgewise; first from the start as the second or third and weakest of four fortunately atheltic boys in his family, second as the awkward friend of the most popular girl in school (most likely using him becuase of his 87 mustang), he learned long ago, to get attention means you must resort to saying/believing in something so utterly insane, everyone rises up against him. But yet it is attention that he so desperately craves.
He finishes college, and after several years of flipping burgers or making pizzas, he discovers that you can gain instant credentials without question, if you have a degree. He wipes of that letters of college and science degree and walks into his recruiter station. Hell, they just got hit hard in the early part of the past decade, and we’re at war—> We’ll take anyone, even this “soup sandwich” to be an officer. So in he goes.
And sadly, he discovers something. Something missing in his life. People… many people, have to listen to him. . . becuase he outranks them. It doesn’t matter that they’re more qualified to lead men into battle, becuase he has the degree. And they have to listen to him. And there are so many of them… and if they disagree, he can punish them. in fact, he can punish them for doing anything that he doesn’t like. who is going to stop him? nothing will ever go beyond his reach becuase privates are afraid to go to a major’s office.
so he continues to say his outrageous things, becuase that’s all he knows. but he has a new passion. thursday safety briefings. he is a captain now, and his decisions carry with them the fate of 100 people. he can make them do whatever he wants. the once overlooked awkward 2nd or 3rd child of proud parents is now at the center of power. Drunk with power, he is a dick to absolutely everyone without compassion. He asks enigmatic questions similar to david koresh and ridicules everyone who doesn’t answer his questions that have no correct answer, becuase he will not accept someone’s opinion as fact unless it is in line with his own.
But what he doesn’t realize is that there is something missing in his train of thought. those soldiers may listen to them, but behind his back, they are talking about him. some braver people, may have even used a codename to talk about him, so they criticize this person, call him “Randy” for example… that’s the name we used… and talk about him while he even is in the same room.
Respect is never there. Lance, just go away. you’re pathetic. Stop checking on your post to come back at everyone here.
This...was...amazing.
You chose to spend 10 minutes of your life on this.
I’m speechless.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
How much of your life have you wasted on this fanpost?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
by Wiedmann on Feb 5, 2012 12:47 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
None...
I demand discussion and response. This guy took a chunk of time out of his life and wrote a soliloquy. Hilarious.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
You took a chunk of time and wrote nothing…and you are laughing at him?
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
lol
Look at the responses…
This thread is turning out to be one of the most commented on FanPosts in AcmePackingCompany’s history. That didn’t happen by luck.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
You’ve spent all that time and you haven’t managed to sway even ONE person. That is a historic fail.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
by TrevorR on Feb 5, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, trolling was.
Author at Acme Packing Company, SB Nation's Green Bay Packers blog.
State high point count: 4/50
If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Feb 5, 2012 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Speaking of discussion and response,
I’m still waiting for you to defend your stance up-thread.
2011: A wasted year
he's sixteen, he has a lot of free time
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 5, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For someone who is bitching....
…about how we use our time, you post an awful lot during school hours for a “16 year old junior.”
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 2, 2012 12:42 PM CST
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 11:36 AM CST
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 PM CST
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM CST
Small sample size, yet there is more. So before you play the victim card about older folks (I am not one, btw) arguing with some 16 year old, maybe you should take some of your own medicine about people who you deem pathetic. Looks like you are the one sitting in a “classroom,” hitting F5 to refresh the page, and trolling. Aren’t you supposed to be learning?
I will step off the soapbox and give it back to you ubertroll. You seem pretty mad though. Don’t know why you would be mad since this is only just the interwebs.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Feb 5, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I have a 3.7 GPA...
School is a joke. Don’t get me wrong, I study and work hard, but these classes are designed for a different type of person.
Once again, I want to reiterate how lucky I am. I know most people have to work much harder to get the grades I get. However, my self awareness tells me that I struggle in other aspects of life.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
3.7
That must be some sort of record!!
Does your school grade on a 0-3.7 scale?
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
WAIT, SO YOU'RE NOT PERFECT?????????????
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Hardly...
I have many shortcomings as a son, friend, and boyfriend. Not a day goes by where I’m not working on them though.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
The way you were talking, it really is Earth-shattering
My whole world has been turned upside-down.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
wait…all this intelligent and IQ talk for a 3.7 GPA (in the easier early years of high school)? I am thoroughly disappointed.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
It's February of my Jr. year
This is kind of crunch time for me.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
you have a 3.7 GPA in HIGH SCHOOL?
and you think you’re smart? LOL.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
by sheehan on Feb 5, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm taking two AP classes and I'm ranked 18th in my graduating class...
My class has 248 students.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Two AP classes? Oh, my. I had you all wrong.
I bow to you, good sir, and your infinite wisdom. For you surely have the experience necessary to gain an adequate perspective of the world, and I am humbled before your mighty intellect.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
if you can't manage to get an 85 average in high school, not even taking IB
good luck getting decent grades in a legitimate program at a good university.
football does not build character, it reveals character.
Do you know what a 3.7 GPA is?
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
the standard is 85 and above is 4.0
football does not build character, it reveals character.
You're bragging about being 18th out of 248?
You’re not even in the 95th percentile.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
and that's only in high school Lol
football does not build character, it reveals character.
"struggles in other aspects of life"
like dating, making friends, being liked and respected???
sounds like a social anxiety. no wonder you’re admiring people with 2 or 3 sucessful marriages.
little hint bro. a sucessful marriage is one that does not end until death do they part. If it ends in divorce, it is, by definition, a failure. Unless you plan on killing your first two wives, which by technicality falls under that category, but since you had to kill them, it makes you a serial murderer and then again, a failure. perhaps you were talking in metaphors… maybe a sucessful marriage is one’s devotion to your work, or your country in service… but having two or three mariages means that you are a failure.
and 3.7 ain’t shit son. i got that skipping half my classes in college. i spent most of my time in highschool playing basketball with my friends or chasing skirts, and still I got a higher than that. can’t remember a class i had to study for.
by Nels Winkler on Feb 6, 2012 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
btw....
Thanks for coughing up Nick Barnett. That dude played very well for the Bills this year.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 10:58 AM CST reply actions
Thanks for overpaying an oft-injured, aged player.
But yeah, he’s solid…but for how much longer?
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
Barnett replaced Paul Posluszny this year for us...
His contract was SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than what Pos recieved from Jacksonville and he was a significantly better player. BuffaloRumblings (SB Nation) listed him as one of the ten best “value” contracts for us this year. He was an animal. He also played in 16 games for us this year.
Thanks
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
God damnit. It's really hard to try and have a conversation with you without getting pissed off by your condescenting tone.
Fuck you. “Thanks.” Get the hell out of here if you can’t have a decent discussion.
I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!
That's perceived condescension...
People shouldn’t get so emotionally involved in a medium for communication, such as this.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he was a better value than Posluszny, I'll give you that.
13.
"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."
Can’t lie, I was pissed that we let him go but it’s just the way Thompson operates. And while I might not always agree with it, it’s hard to argue with the results.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Feb 5, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
It was funny to see...
Pos was kind of a fan favorite here in Buffalo. He was a second round pick, white, good looking, good size, intelligent…Amongst the non hardcore, he was our “star” that didn’t get the recognition because the rest of our defense stunk. Then Barnett came in, chased down running backs sideline to sideline, defended passes, showed great instincts and he just shattered Pos’s image.
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Something to think about...
The average cost to get a super bow commercial aired (kickoff to final whistle) is 3.5 million dollars this year.
That’s to the layman who thinks “Corporations don’t have power over me.”
by LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG on Feb 5, 2012 5:25 PM CST reply actions
Farewell, sweet voyager.
May you find enlightenment in your travels. But more likely, you’ll just get banned from the next site you make a stupid post on.
Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.
by Tepo6688 on Feb 5, 2012 10:05 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
This entire post
is like Transformers 2 to our websites Schindler’s List. Lots of posts does not equal quality.
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
does this make
lancearmstrong_livestrong skids and mudflap?
by packermussupreme on Feb 6, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Why?! Why?!
He left us too soon…
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Feb 6, 2012 5:45 PM CST reply actions
OHO!
IT’S FUNNY BECAUSE IT’S SARCASTIC!
by packermussupreme on Feb 6, 2012 11:58 PM CST reply actions
16, smart, and a big fish in your tiny HS pond? Now I get it
I have a 3.7 GPA…School is a joke. Don’t get me wrong, I study and work hard, but these classes are designed for a different type of person.
Once again, I want to reiterate how lucky I am. I know most people have to work much harder to get the grades I get. However, my self awareness tells me that I struggle in other aspects of life.
LAL, as someone who was equally gifted and equally pretentious in high school, let me give you some unsolicited advice: get over yourself. You are smart, you have talents that other kids will never have, and you have a much higher ceiling than your peers. That is a great thing, and you should be proud of it.
But for the love of whichever deity you call your own, downplay that shit whenever you can. Humility will be a great asset for the rest of your high school years, and your best friend in college. It’s a lesson I learned far later than I would like, and my ignorance cost me friendships, job opportunities, and chances to grow as a person.
I don’t know whatever game you claim to be your own, but in the words of Nike’s advertising department, “Let your game speak.”
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 7, 2012 7:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG...............APC
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Feb 7, 2012 12:58 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
It works on so many levels
http://twitter.com/WhalesLarry ...but only if you want to see someone still trying to figure Twitter out.
by Mitchell Maurer on Feb 7, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
False...
LanceArmstrong_LIVESTRONG has never seen a pussy, and judging by his comments, likely never will.
by mike_o on Feb 7, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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